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Re: Mondaiji tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru sodesuyo?

Postby Darklor » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:47 am

mrmandinga wrote:can someone do a teaser page for this novel. seeing how many teaser are here i think you might as well create one. im just saying that instead of putting teaser here in the forum it would be better if it was in one of the official page in baka tsuki


To create a teaser project page shouldnt be too hard with all those teasers... ;)
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Re: Mondaiji tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru sodesuyo?

Postby ShadowZeroHeart » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:17 am

Darklor wrote:
mrmandinga wrote:can someone do a teaser page for this novel. seeing how many teaser are here i think you might as well create one. im just saying that instead of putting teaser here in the forum it would be better if it was in one of the official page in baka tsuki


To create a teaser project page shouldnt be too hard with all those teasers... ;)


Teh_ping already replied...

Teh_ping wrote:^...And raise the hopes of readers inappropriately when it does not get updated in 2 years...

The problem is that you need a willing translator who will dedicate time for this project. BT isn't a fansub group that allocates translators. It's more of a dropoff point of LN translations.


Thats one reason why I never really liked teaser pages anyway...
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Re: Mondaiji tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru sodesuyo?

Postby kwh89 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:16 am

lets just hope someone decides to pick this up. Looks kinda interesting especially after eps 3 of the anime.
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Re: Mondaiji tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru sodesuyo?

Postby Ryugen » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:23 am

I would love translation of this LN!
I really do hope someone picks this up as a project. The anime has me captivated, but I'm afraid that there won't be enough episodes to compensate for my interest.
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Re: Mondaiji tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru sodesuyo?

Postby TJP1600 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:10 am

I started reading a few pages for this series and instantly realized it just wasn't the same without black rabbit's voice, my impersonation is inadequate. Not sure if I can continue like this :<
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Re: Mondaiji tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru sodesuyo?

Postby ShadowZeroHeart » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:47 am

TJP1600 wrote:I started reading a few pages for this series and instantly realized it just wasn't the same without black rabbit's voice, my impersonation is inadequate. Not sure if I can continue like this :<


I cannot say how important the voice may be, perhaps due to the fact that I was exposed to the novel before the anime. But I would say the world and plot for the story is way more complete and logical (not in the sense of our world) than the anime counterpart. It has been an enjoyable read, and I am looking forward to future volumes.

Right now, I am using the anime to try to help me "see" what happened in the novel, even if they are different, and it can help me understand and visualize parts that are not easily "seen" in words.
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Re: Mondaiji tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru sodesuyo?

Postby florza » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:13 am

TJP1600 wrote:I started reading a few pages for this series and instantly realized it just wasn't the same without black rabbit's voice, my impersonation is inadequate. Not sure if I can continue like this :<


I imagine having the narration in fan-translated Chinese doesn't help the case at all.
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Re: Mondaiji tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru sodesuyo?

Postby Hiyono » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:21 am

I can't speak for J->C accuracy, but the resulting Chinese is actually quite good in this series, relative to other translations. There's an abundance of idioms, the prose is quite descriptive, etc. It's well written.
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Re: Mondaiji tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru sodesuyo?

Postby ShadowZeroHeart » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:29 pm

Wow... Disappointing... Very disappointing...

The more I watch the anime, the more disappointed I am towards how they cut off pretty much all the good and interesting details of the novel. Important scenes are changed so the audience need not think...? I can understand that there is a lack of explanation, unlike how it can be in the novel, where you can take your time to read individual lines... But the cuts on episode 4 was too much. One of the biggest jokes in the story was gone as well. Sigh...

Episode 4:
The Vampire
Spoiler! :
In the novel, she did not attack the base just to test Izayoi. She simply came to visit, as she does not know what to do... Only Black Rabbit and Izayoi met with her. This is because she felt ashamed to meet Jin.


"Perseus"
Spoiler! :
The current leader of "Perseus" is actually the descendent of the real deal. Not sure if it is my fan-sub, but it seems to speak as though he is the real deal. Hey, the real Pegasus Hero was a real hero, just that his descendent... On the bright side, he had a pretty good personality in the anime.

(You might disagree, but in the novel, he would be much more lustful and an asshole. He first made a few girls help him pour wine at his side in White Yasha's shop, and told White Yasha that he did not have any obedient women like those in White Yasha's shop, asking her for a price to sell off her workers which infuriated White Yasha. He also fantasized about Black Rabbit, and ignored important matters, thus not noticing Izayoi's clearance of the two games. His sub-ordinate was helpless with his attitude, and deemed that the leader would be sick of Black Rabbit as a toy in a month or two, and if Black Rabbit survives, she can still be used as a mascot, as having Rabbits alone is a great advertisement for a clan.)

I never could really imagine how the soldiers would look, but this look with that kind of attitude is really out-of-place to me. They were really rude in the novel. But since its an anime, so I am not surprised they cut short some bits of the dialogue.


Black Rabbit's Dilemma
Spoiler! :
Black Rabbit was grounded for a few days, as she did want to accept the offer. It was after a few days before the two girls came to visit. Izayoi would have disappeared for that period of time...

Important dialogue as to reasons why Black Rabbit MUST NOT leave was cut.

Interesting scenes about them approaching Black Rabbit was cut.

Reasonings behind why Black Rabbit thinks she should accept the offer was cut.


Disappointing...
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Re: Mondaiji tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru sodesuyo?

Postby EnigmaticAxiom » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:04 am

ShadowZeroHeart wrote:Wow... Disappointing... Very disappointing...

The more I watch the anime, the more disappointed I am towards how they cut off pretty much all the good and interesting details of the novel. Important scenes are changed so the audience need not think...? I can understand that there is a lack of explanation, unlike how it can be in the novel, where you can take your time to read individual lines... But the cuts on episode 4 was too much. One of the biggest jokes in the story was gone as well. Sigh...

Episode 4:
The Vampire
Spoiler! :
In the novel, she did not attack the base just to test Izayoi. She simply came to visit, as she does not know what to do... Only Black Rabbit and Izayoi met with her. This is because she felt ashamed to meet Jin.


"Pegasus"
Spoiler! :
The current leader of "Pegasus" is actually the descendent of the real deal. Not sure if it is my fan-sub, but it seems to speak as though he is the real deal. Hey, the real Pegasus Hero was a real hero, just that his descendent... On the bright side, he had a pretty good personality in the anime.

(You might disagree, but in the novel, he would be much more lustful and an asshole. He first made a few girls help him pour wine at his side in White Yasha's shop, and told White Yasha that he did not have any obedient women like those in White Yasha's shop, asking her for a price to sell off her workers which infuriated White Yasha. He also fantasized about Black Rabbit, and ignored important matters, thus not noticing Izayoi's clearance of the two games. His sub-ordinate was helpless with his attitude, and deemed that the leader would be sick of Black Rabbit as a toy in a month or two, and if Black Rabbit survives, she can still be used as a mascot, as having Rabbits alone is a great advertisement for a clan.)

I never could really imagine how the soldiers would look, but this look with that kind of attitude is really out-of-place to me. They were really rude in the novel. But since its an anime, so I am not surprised they cut short some bits of the dialogue.


Black Rabbit's Dilemma
Spoiler! :
Black Rabbit was grounded for a few days, as she did want to accept the offer. It was after a few days before the two girls came to visit. Izayoi would have disappeared for that period of time...

Important dialogue as to reasons why Black Rabbit MUST NOT leave was cut.

Interesting scenes about them approaching Black Rabbit was cut.

Reasonings behind why Black Rabbit thinks she should accept the offer was cut.


Disappointing...

Spoiler! :
You mind telling me what joke you were talking about? I honestly can't recall what it was you were referring to. Also, I felt the discrepancies between the aide's personality and his image in the anime was odd as well. As for the Jin/Asuka thing, I know Leticia didn't want to be seen by Jin because she helped Galdo/Gardo in the Gift Game by giving him his vampiric gift, but I found it odd that, despite having what I would think is a relatively large fight on the grounds, neither Jin nor Asuka heard anything or went to see what happened.


It was probably a mistake, but it's Perseus, not Pegasus

Also, my biggest qualm still has to do with how they portray Izayoi. They keep pointing out that, while he laughs a lot and seems to make light of things, he's actually quite a shrewd person, but it's not well portrayed in the anime. I'm not sure how easy it would be to do that other than his occasional serious lines.
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Re: Mondaiji tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru sodesuyo?

Postby mrmandinga » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:32 am

the more you discuss the novel the more i crave for it. it like having a piece of steak in your mouth and not being able to eat it. (-_-). but i am not against those discussions as they are as of right now, it is the only way i know the difference between the book and the anime.

and about the teaser page i am just wondering why would other readers think that it would have hopes that it would be a guaranteed project. it not like it would be with the pending project group. it suppose to tease readers and other translators alike.

let me put the bottom line of having a teaser page in a comparison to having internet explorer 7 as my ONLY browser and not being able to download or use any other browser whatsoever, but hey it is still better than nothing and not being able to go internet.
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Re: Mondaiji tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru sodesuyo?

Postby Hiyono » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:45 am

In the novels, a lot of the reason he's seen as being shrewder than he looks is the way he unexpectedly cuts to the heart of the matter while talking, taking Kuro Usagi in particular by surprise quite often.
Unfortunately, as florza's said while we were discussing this, an appropriate depiction of Izayoi ruins the balance of the show (not that I'm advocating it be made this boring), because he's both too strong and too smart. In comparison with the other "problem children", the other two aren't even on the same planet, let alone same level.
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Re: Mondaiji tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru sodesuyo?

Postby ShadowZeroHeart » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:43 pm

Hiyono wrote:In the novels, a lot of the reason he's seen as being shrewder than he looks is the way he unexpectedly cuts to the heart of the matter while talking, taking Kuro Usagi in particular by surprise quite often.
Unfortunately, as florza's said while we were discussing this, an appropriate depiction of Izayoi ruins the balance of the show (not that I'm advocating it be made this boring), because he's both too strong and too smart. In comparison with the other "problem children", the other two aren't even on the same planet, let alone same level.


Indeed, Izayoi ruins the balance of anything in any way...

However, I think its a big plus in the novel, as the girls later feel inferior in a few ways. Asuka who felt she is helpless, relying on gifts that accept her. And the other girl felt inferior after Asuka started contributing as well. It was needed for Izayoi to be overly useful, just so to spur them into performing better.

P.S. Izayoi's contributions are actually quite limited. Reason being no one dares challenge him to a game! WTF! He can single-handedly defeat a deity or a whole community! Who in the right mind would challenge him!?

@EnigmaticAxiom:
Yes, it was a mistake... I remembered the more famous names and mixed it up... Sorry, its Perseus, will edit it.
As for the joke, in the novel, how the problematic children went into the grounded Black Rabbit's room is a big joke!
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Re: Mondaiji tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru sodesuyo?

Postby Guest » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:41 pm

Why did Izayoi said Jin was going to take down the Demon lord? Jin is only a child why put him at the most dangerous situation? The only possible I can think of is Jin is special, at least compare to the other members of no name. He was the leader and the only one who can fight beside Black Rabbit. Anyway what is Jin's gift?
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Re: Mondaiji tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru sodesuyo?

Postby Hiyono » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:00 pm

Don't the inadequacies of the anime fill you with the desire to, you know, get the real story out there Shadow?
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