Mahouka Character Discussion: Shiba Tatsuya (bunko spoilers)

[Breakers]

Vol 4 chapter 10

Spoiler! :

"Since there's no actual physical effect, physical obstructions can do nothing.
This way, the magic that your opponent is casting is forcibly blown away by the psions.
In order to halt that kind of furious charge, a multi-layered defensive wall of psions might barely hold up.
Besides its rather short effective range, there are almost no weaknesses."

Unless that Katsuto has a wall o psion as strong as Tatsuya Gram Demolition I doubt that "Phalanx" can defende against it.

you mean tat Gram can demolish all layers of his Phalanx ? cool.
and maybe you forget that Phalanx is one of the most powerfull defensive magic.
not just regular barrier.

so the author being inconsistent here ?

Tatsuya saw that, for an instant, Katsuto's gaze matched his own and, in that instant, he revealed a wide smile.

I am stronger than you — that was the declaration Tatsuya read from Katsuto's eyes.

and katsuto is a fool that don't understand Gram as much as Mayumi.

Whilst watching the finals, Tatsuya recalled the unpleasantness of what would be a war of attrition should it come to it......but these words now, utterly unexpected, brought with them a whole new set of horrors.

unpleasant ? why ?
if it's Nine School Competition, he may not even use decomposition.

i just don't understand Author logic when he write that.


.found it plot hole.
i won't debate anymore about this.

[Gohankuten]

Vol 4 chapter 10

Spoiler! :

"Since there's no actual physical effect, physical obstructions can do nothing.
This way, the magic that your opponent is casting is forcibly blown away by the psions.
In order to halt that kind of furious charge, a multi-layered defensive wall of psions might barely hold up.
Besides its rather short effective range, there are almost no weaknesses."

Unless that Katsuto has a wall o psion as strong as Tatsuya Gram Demolition I doubt that "Phalanx" can defende against it.

I do have to point out that phalanx is a "multi-layered defensive wall of psions" at it's base. And remember Tatsuya himself said that if he got into a fight with Katsuto it would turn into a war of attrition. Which means phalanx can repel Tatsuya for awhile otherwise it wouldn't turn into a long drawn out fight.

[Kurumi]

you mean tat Gram can demolish all layers of his Phalanx ? cool.
and maybe you forget that Phalanx is one of the most powerfull defensive magic.
not just regular barrier.

so the author being inconsistent here ?

Tatsuya saw that, for an instant, Katsuto's gaze matched his own and, in that instant, he revealed a wide smile.

I am stronger than you — that was the declaration Tatsuya read from Katsuto's eyes.

and katsuto is a fool that don't understand Gram as much as Mayumi.

Whilst watching the finals, Tatsuya recalled the unpleasantness of what would be a war of attrition should it come to it......but these words now, utterly unexpected, brought with them a whole new set of horrors.

unpleasant ? why ?
if it's Nine School Competition, he may not even use decomposition.

i just don't understand Author logic when he write that.


.found it plot hole.
i won't debate anymore about this.

well, I think that Tatsuya was speaking only considering his "Decomposition" against "Phalanx", only a comparison of his inate magic against Juumonji's ultimate magic barrier. Unpleasant because if they were to fight it Tatsuya would have much more dificult in defeating Katsuto than any other.

[Alvin]

Gram Demolition takes up a looooot more psion to cast than Mist Dispersal, I would assume. A long, drawn out battle would be the only outcome in a head-on fight. Tatsuya would probably win, if he doesn't use Gram Demolition.

[TheLaG]

Guys, strange that no one started this, but:

In Volume 9, Chapter 5 there is one interesting thing about Tatsuyas so called Cast Jamming, which he used in Volume 1, Strangely, it is USNA top secret "Cast Jamming" CAD jamming ability (Are they the same???). Strangely, a Tatsuyas abilities are close to secret magics of USNA (Molecular Divider at some point close to Mist Dispersal (close range version???))

Maybe Tatsuya is USNA secret agent...

[Gohankuten]

Guys, strange that no one started this, but:

In Volume 9, Chapter 5 there is one interesting thing about Tatsuyas so called Cast Jamming, which he used in Volume 1, Strangely, it is USNA top secret "Cast Jamming" CAD jamming ability (Are they the same???). Strangely, a Tatsuyas abilities are close to secret magics of USNA (Molecular Divider at some point close to Mist Dispersal (close range version???))

Maybe Tatsuya is USNA secret agent...

Nah Tatsuya's is much better than the USNA's cast jamming technique. If you noticed when it was described the USNA's was still in basically the beta phase cause it didn't work all the time but Tatsuya's always worked. Also it happens sometimes where different people come up with the same idea around the same time without collaborating with each other.

[Ulrick]

Tatsuya said that it was only him and not completed.
Cast Jammer is different than the pseudo Cast Jamming Tatsuya used.

[Gohankuten]

Tatsuya said that it was only him and not completed.
Cast Jammer is different than the pseudo Cast Jamming Tatsuya used.

Tatsuya said that his was only not complete in the sense that he hasn't found a way to block it so it can be safely spread to other people. He said that others could use it but he doesn't want to give it out til he can find a way to counter it due to the ramifications it would have to national defense.

[Guest]

I got a question Tatsuya is only able to use magic such regrowth and decomposition (both defy common magic logic) the other are all created powers with the exception of elemental sight being a side effect of regrowth. Is Tatsuya Non-systemic magic natural or a created power, as it is not really magic and is the only one in the magic to rely on psion count in the magic system.

[popocatepetl]

I got a question Tatsuya is only able to use magic such regrowth and decomposition (both defy common magic logic) the other are all created powers with the exception of elemental sight being a side effect of regrowth. Is Tatsuya Non-systemic magic natural or a created power, as it is not really magic and is the only one in the magic to rely on psion count in the magic system.

To respond to your question, I think that manipulating the psions (non-sistematic magic) is a natural power for him that is an extension of his naturally-born-with magi of regrowth and decomposition (manipulating psions to rewrite magic sequences?). Though this is a bad, but pontential, example, it is in vol. 8 ch 16 when he took the magic from Sanada and rewrote it to do something else (when he was locating the target to use his Material Burst).

As for the elemental sight being a derivate/side effect of regrowth, I didn't know that or have found a part saying that in the novel. Could be.

*Side topic*
From previous dialogues in which Juumonji Katsuto is involved (vol 1-7), it seems he suspects Tatsuya's links to the Yotsuba and the military. He might even suspect of some of his true abilities while prefering to remain silent or disguise the issue.

Or I may be reading too much into it...

[popocatepetl]

I have a question. In Vol 3 ch 1, Tatsuya hints to Azusa about the identity of Taurus Silver when he says "Well...I wonder how shocking it would be if he turned out to be a Japanese teenager like us". Why did he do it?

Before this quote, Azusa gives Tatsuya her reasons for being interested in the Silver Horn and in what Taurus Silver creates in general. This seems like so much admiration radiates from her that Tatsuya chooses freely to give her a tidbit of info?

If he is going out of his way with other characters to cover up who he is and his secrets, why bandy about tidbits of infor or hints for Azusa? Is he actually moved by her admiration, contrary to the claim that he does not feel extreme emotions? I thought he understood the knowledge associated with the emotion but could not feel the emotions in extreme ways with the sole exception of being in Miyuki's behalf!?

[SkyZenith]

I have a question. In Vol 3 ch 1, Tatsuya hints to Azusa about the identity of Taurus Silver when he says "Well...I wonder how shocking it would be if he turned out to be a Japanese teenager like us". Why did he do it?

Before this quote, Azusa gives Tatsuya her reasons for being interested in the Silver Horn and in what Taurus Silver creates in general. This seems like so much admiration radiates from her that Tatsuya chooses freely to give her a tidbit of info?

If he is going out of his way with other characters to cover up who he is and his secrets, why bandy about tidbits of infor or hints for Azusa? Is he actually moved by her admiration, contrary to the claim that he does not feel extreme emotions? I thought he understood the knowledge associated with the emotion but could not feel the emotions in extreme ways with the sole exception of being in Miyuki's behalf!?

My personal opinion is that he didn't really think deeply of what to answer because he is being overwhelmed by the device otaku. If someone is close enough to touch you face to face I think even I would be hard pressed to answer deeply and with thought. And one strong evidence is this line from volume three:

Spoiler! :

"Hey, hey, Shiba-kun, let me ask you, what do you think Taurus Silver is like?"
A purely inquisitive gaze.
Wanting to change the subject, Tatsuya replied back trying to stall for time.
"Well...... I wonder how shocking would it be if he turned out to be a Japanese teenager like us."

[Deputy Marshal]

Guys, I'm a bit confused now in regards to who actually know Tatsuya's identity as a Yotsuba? Would it be Erica and Mayumi only or some others too?

[Ulrick]

Only Erika knows that he has connection to the Yotsuba, she is unaware of the level. But she is good to understand.

Mayumi seems to still be thinking that he is an Extra. Well, you can say, that his situation is a lot alike. Even though, he has some blood from the Yotsuba Clan, he is not considered as one of them.

[pampz21]

Guys, I'm a bit confused now in regards to who actually know Tatsuya's identity as a Yotsuba? Would it be Erica and Mayumi only or some others too?

due to her constant proximity with Tatsuya;Erika already know most about Tatsuya and Miyuki. Ability(xcept she hvnt link Tatsuya to the scorge holloween, Military rank, even his identity as a Yotsuba