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Maou na Ore to Fushihime no Yubiwa:Volume 4 Chapter 5

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==Chapter 5: Survival race on the snowy mountain==

Three days after arriving to the undead tribe’s lands.

At last the day has come. It’s the day the hundred deaths course is held on.

On the huge three thousands meters tall snowy mountain that had become the race course, we resolutely went to the hundred deaths reception hall at its foot.

Though that’s fairly obvious, right now we have the highlight right before our eyes.

In the reception hall there were gathered monsters of varied looks that came from all of the Netherworld.

According to Zonmi.

Though in the quickly developed Netherworld it’s become customary to live in human form for the purpose of convenience, it seems that that custom has yet to permeate into every nook and cranny of the Netherworld.

For that reason, among the monsters gathered at the reception hall there’s a fair amount that have not adopted human forms. Monsters that look like mummies and monsters that look like vampires… It looks like the core of the participants comes from the undead tribe.

Before the reception hall there are many stalls in a row, there’s a mood like it’s some sort of festival.

“Muu. This…Intoxicatingly mellow fragrance that resembles a forbidden fruit crafted by the devil… Candied apples!?”

“Do candied apples have such an exaggerated smell!?”

“Monster hunter. I have recalled that I had some business to take care of. I shall go wait in line around here.”

Iris slurped the drool that spilled from her mouth while wiping it with her robe’s sleeve.

“… So it seems. Do we need to remain together from here on?”

Nonetheless, Iris being alone leaves me with a dreadful unrest.

She may have that haughty attitude, but a stranger wouldn’t have it difficult to lure her with a piece of candy.

“Chiharu-sama. Rather than worrying for others you should first worry about yourself.

If it’s about Iris-sama, leave it to me. I’ll watch her so that she doesn’t get hurt.”

Lowering her voice so as to not be heard by those around us, Lilith-san secretly whispered to my ear.

“Lilith-san. Thank you very, very, very much.”

That’s right.

It’s as Lilith-san has said.

I have to attain victory in the race and get my existence as a human acknowledged among the ghoul clan.

It would be unsightly to forget about my main objective because of being worried about others.

It seems that the development of the competition will be broadcasted in real time via monitors and the rest of your group can cheer you from there.

I haven’t told this to Kyouko and Manami, who had disappeared after saying they had issues to attend, though.

“… Chiharu. Let’s go to the tent on the other side of the reception hall.”

Zonmi tugged my sleeve while looking around, worried by the public notice.

Even supposing that she hadn’t come back to the Netherworld in a long time, if word gets out that the country’s princess was at this place, things would get a bit rowdy.

For that reason, today Zonmi was wearing glasses & a hood that covered the upper part of her face so as to disguise herself a little.

How troublesome it is to be famous.

“Now let’s follow the succubus’s words and finish with the registration asap.”

“Understood.”

This way, Zonmi & I, while feeling grateful for Lilith-san’s actions, set foot on the reception hall.

Having the majority of the monsters finished with their registration, the inside of the tent was more deserted than I had expected.

Speaking of the most important registration… It happened so easy that it was even disappointing.

“Hey, Zonmi. Wasn’t the hundred deaths course the biggest event for the ghoul clan?”

“Yes. Didn’t I explain it to you beforehand?”

“… But, isn’t it weird?

They don’t even hold any preliminaries for such an important event… You can participate this easily on the same day.”

Lilith-san called the hundred deaths course the Olympics, Netherworld-style, but to me, that example didn’t fit it.

Surely, judging by the number of participants and the scale of the venue alone, this race may deserve to be called the Olympics, Netherworld-style.

However, with only this, it’s unnatural that despite being a large-scale event, there’s absolutely no selection of the participants.

Well, since if they did have preliminaries there’s no doubt that we wouldn’t be able to participate in this race, it’s not like I have complaints.

“… It’s easy. Though it sounds cruel, this competition not having preliminaries is due to being more exciting to mix strong people with weak people.”

“? What does that mean?”

“Since there’s no rule that guarantees the participant’s lives, that way they get naturally sieved… As expected from the Netherworld’s sports, how nasty.”

“Whoa, Kyouko!? You… What have you been doing until now!?”

The one who answered my question instead of Zonmi, was Kyouko, who appeared all of a sudden.

“What have I been doing… Don’t you understand seeing me like this? Sorry, but… Waiting and cheering is boring.”

On Kyouko’s chest there was a badge with a registration number that identified her as a participant in the hundred deaths course. In this badge, it seems there was a transmitter that served to locate the participant in case they got stranded on the snowy mountain.

“Eeeh. Could it be that you're also participating?”

“What’s with that face of open disgust?”

“Because…”

It’s simply that my chance of winning have gone down.

But I desisted in my heart on giving in and saying aloud my honest feelings.

… Is there a need of saying that now?

If it’s Kyouko, since she knows what’s the reason behind this competition, she should be able to properly read the mood.

For the one in a million chance that I can win… There’s no doubt that she’s giving me all of her support.

Thinking that I have one more ally, it’s rather reassuring.

“Ufufu. I won’t lose to the zombie!”

“…”

Laughing fearlessly, Manami wore a badge with an registration number on her chest.

The one who can’t read the mood in the least has comeeeeeee!

“Hey, Manami… Is there any merit from you participating in the race?”

“There’s merit. Oniichan. Did you forget the purpose of this race?”

“As if I could forget.”

I’m repeating myself, but by winning this race I’ll have the ghoul clan acknowledge humans.

“Then there’s no problem if Manami wins ♪”

“… Eh?”

“I mean. Since we aim to show to those cheeky zombies the true value of us mighty humans<ref>She says “ningen-sama”, which is “humans” plus am honorific suffix meaning superiority. Applying it to oneself sounds conceited.</ref>… Rather, wouldn’t it be more effective if Manami wins?”

“Yeah. Now that you say… It is?”

Even if it’s acceptable, I want to be spared from that development.

I mean… Could you picture it?

Just thinking on having to tell Zonmi’s father “my sister has won, so accept my contract with Zonmi!”… Too lame.

“… Besides, ever since coming to this town, I’ve been having a bad hunch.

More than this, so that the relationship between oniichan and the zombie doesn’t advance, I have to cut it off this bad progress early on… Ufufufufu.”

<nowiki>*SPARKLE*</nowiki> Manami’s eyes let out a dangerous gleam.

“…”

I think that I have found the mightiest foe right beside me.

If I’m not careful… She’s quite capable of tripping me up.

I think that my sister’s physical capabilities, strongly inherited from my mother, a living legend among monster tamers, still haven’t shown their whole depth yet.

[[File:Maou na Ore to Fushihime no Yubiwa 4 p137.png|thumb]]

“Chiharu. You can’t afford to lack in concentration. No matter who participates… We absolutely must not lost this race.”

“… Yeah. That’s right.”

Though I’ve said it just before, as expected, I think it will be difficult to persuade Zonmi’s father if Manami wins this race.

At the end of the day, the one who wins should be none other than me.

And if we’re speakung of wanting even more… I want to attain a great difference with the second place.

If I manage to stand out like that… From the results of the race it won’t be difficult to propose a negotiation with Zonmi’s father.

Having recognized the situation anew thanks to Zonmi’s warning, my enthusiasm got renewed.

<center>× × ×</center>

When I reached the snowy mountain that had become the racecourse, there were already lots of participants starting to position themselves as they pleased on the starting line.

Those numbers… five hundred, no, making a low estimate, there were around six hundred?

Since the girls had gotten delayed, changing their clothes, I who had finished my own arrangements stood all alone on the snow.

Since I had no choice but spacing out, I think I’ll check one more time the rules of the hundred deaths course.

The rules are easy.

The one from the participants who reaches the top of the snowy mountain the fastest is the victor.

However, monsters that can fly are forbidden of doing so.

Engaging in direct attacks against other participants is also forbidden.

… Though, at first glance, it may look like a half-baked competition, negligence is taboo.

As even at the best of times just traveling by a path with deeply poled up snow can have you break a bone, if you add going up a steep slope, many a monster will easily have his stamina exhausted.

“Haah… Even though I went out of my way to warn you… You’re quite eager to die.”

“Chiharu-sama… We have heard the circumstances from oneesama. Go for it!”

“Meruru. Even Aruru…!! Have you come to cheer me on!?”

“… Humph. How conceited. We were going to participate in this event since the very start.”

“… Eh. Could it be that you will be participating in this race?”

“No. Chiharu-sama. We are not contestants…”

The instant after Aruru started to tell me something.

“Ah! Isn’t the one there princess Aruru!?”

From somewhere on the venue, someone shouted that.

“So does that mean that the person next to her is princess Meruru!?” “It’s true! I… It may be my first time seeing them in person.” “I had heard rumors, but… They are very beautiful girls…” “The truth is… I’ve only participated in this race because I wanted to meet them.”

“…”

As a chain reaction from that voice, other voices kept popping up and the venue became an uproar at once.

“… Tch! They noticed us?”

Meruru muttered in a spiteful voice unbecoming of a beautiful girl.

“Chiharu-sama. Continuing with my earlier statement, we are not contestants in the hundred deaths course, we’ve been entrusted with the award delivery… We’ve been invited to this event as special guests.”

“I see. So it was like that?”

“For that… I case that you manage to win this race, Chiharu-sama, I think that we’ll meet again at the awards ceremony.”

“Human. Do your best not to die.”

“… Understood. Thanks!”

Thereafter.

The AruMeru sisters, so as to slip through the glances from those around, quickly left my side.

I thought that with Zonmi’s case, but… as expected, being a country’s princess may bring with it various hardships.

<center>× × ×</center>

Several minutes after.

In the blue sky without a single cloud… The fireworks that signaled the start of the hundred deaths course were launched.

At the same time, around six hundred monsters, raising a sound like a tremor, strived to be the first to reach the summit.

“Chiharu… Don’t leave my side!”

“… Y-yup.”

Had I not firmly grasped her hand, pushed by the surge of people, I would have lost Zonmi in a flash.

After standing for a bit at the start line, the forerunner group disappeared from sight before you could say Jack Robinson and at last we could chat peacefully.

“… But, is this right? It seems we’ve blundered charging ahead at ful strength from the beginning.”

“There’s no problem. In this competition people who make a head start are not bound to have an advantage.”

“…”

Certainly, Zonmi’s speech seemed to have a point.

It seems that around three quarters of the participants had rushed out with the starting signal, and in contrast, the remainder quarter seemed to be taking it at leisure.

According to Zonmi.

[[File:Maou na Ore to Fushihime no Yubiwa 4 p143.png|thumb]]

In this race, along the way, there were set diverse traps and, in the worst case, it seems that one has to be prepared to face the danger of losing one’s life.

This means that starting on vanguard = demerit of being more prone to falling into a trap, while those at the back, as they have the merit of being able to retain their stamina, they can progress better in the race.

“… Nonetheless, it’s not like we can remain here forever doing nothing. Chiharu, we will go on soon.”

“… Yup.”

Like this, we started the race about one minute after the starting signal.

<center>× × ×</center>

After that.

I think we kept going up the mountainside for around thirty minutes.

Have we been able to avoid the traps as Zonmi expected?

After going up the snowy mountain for a while, we found a bunch that appeared to be the leading group.

“… Chiharu. Be careful. Up there… There’s something.”

Right after Zonmi’s warning.

There were a succession of tremors in the ground and, as a result, big holes appeared here and there.

And from inside those holes, around a hundred monsters appeared all at once.

Their length is about… 5 meters<ref>Just under 16 feet and a half.</ref> or so?

They were cute monsters with tufty white fur and round eyes.

Though it’s not like their size it’s specially big compared to the monsters that I’ve met till now, the highlight was their numbers.

Surprisingly, it may be the first time I’ve seen so many of the same monster before me at the same time.

“Zonmi… What are these monsters?”

“These children are snow moles. Properly speaking, they are not monsters, they are beings called magical beasts that don’t have intelligence. At a glance, they have charming looks, but their true nature is that of ferocious carnivores. They hunt other beings in groups and eat their prey alive.”

“…”

So that means this situation is quite dangerous?

… Zonmi may say so, but I can’t quite believe it.

First, this lovely creature, there’s no way it could do such a wretched…

At that time when a question mark was floating above my head.

“Guh! Ugaaaaaah!”

A mummy man (?) that was running in the attack group<ref>This is a pun; “attack group” and “leading group” sound the same.</ref> raised a cry of agony having his head gnawed by a snow mole.

I withdraw my statement.

With such a cute face. What a wretched thing to…

“Zo-Zonmi. That guy, look! Isn’t that guy in danger!?”

Chiharu. We cannot afford to worry about other people.

Moreover, I told you. This competition is more exciting with some weak people mixed in.

More or less, having victims makes the show more exciting.”

“…”

Thinking about it, Zonmi boldly speaking without hesitation about these dreadful things gives me the chills.
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==References and Translation Notes==
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User talk:Zero2001

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==Punctuation==
===Somewhat interested in Punctuation Changes===

How does the bytes work for those anyway? From what you did on IS, the apostrophes for Microsoft Word uses more space than wordpad. Can you explain that to me? Thanks--[[User:Teh Ping|Teh Ping]] 15:19, 29 May 2011 (UCT)

The types of punctuation used formally were: …‘’“” . I used the characters ... and ' and " to replace them. The thing is,
that every type of character has an id set to it in the form of a combination of bits (01010101). This is done because bits,
bytes, kilobytes, megabytes, etc, is how data is stored. In other words " does not equal “ or ” in the storing language.
However in English they would mean the same thing. " occurs earlier in the storage character table than “ or ” therefore it
has a smaller id. Thus space can be saved by using it. My advice is to either stop using MSWord and use WordPad or TextPad
editor. OR... first write in MSWord then take it to TextPad and then use the find and replace functions to switch the above
characters. You can also use FoxReplace addon if you are using Firefox but that's just a little more complex in initializing
the settings but the result is that the replacement process becomes fully automated (It's a major pain if you make a mistake
though, if you don't exclude pages you need to, then the replacement could affect something you did not wish it to). The final
way is to use this site's own search and replace function. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] 15:41, 29 May 2011 (UCT)

Personally, I use the FoxReplace method. So there might be ''rare'' cases where something unintended was changed. I apologize for that. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 00:37, 4 June 2011 (UCT)

BTW, … and ... actually do not have any differences in the bytes used. I tried replacing them in an Oreimo chapter, but 0 bytes
changed. [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] 14:08, 6 July 2011 (UCT)

Hmm. I suspected as much. Basically that means that the … character is equivalent to three fullstop(.) characters.
[[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 16:49, 6 July 2011 (UCT)

===FoxReplace Method===
If you are using FireFox ([http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/fx/?ref=logo download here]). All you have to do is install the [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/foxreplace/ FoxReplace addon]. After that create an xml file using Notepad (name it anything you like, for the sake of reference I'll call it "PuncReplace.xml") and write the following code into the file '''(copy as it is)''':

<substitutionlist version="0.12">
<group>
<urls>
<url>-http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User*</url>
<url>http://www.baka-tsuki.org/*&action=edit*</url>
<url>http://www.baka-tsuki.org/*&action=submit*</url>
</urls>
<substitutions>
<substitution casesensitive="true">
<input type="text">"…"</input>
<output>"..."</output>
</substitution>
<substitution casesensitive="true">
<input type="text">"‘"</input>
<output>"'"</output>
</substitution>
<substitution casesensitive="true">
<input type="text">"’"</input>
<output>"'"</output>
</substitution>
<substitution casesensitive="true">
<input type="text">"“"</input>
<output>"""</output>
</substitution>
<substitution casesensitive="true">
<input type="text">"”"</input>
<output>"""</output>
</substitution>
<substitution casesensitive="true">
<input type="text">"<!—"</input>
<output>"<!--"</output>
</substitution>
</substitutions>
</group>
</substitutionlist>

Save the file. You can also download the file [http://www.fileserve.com/file/y2v7KFG here]. In fact I recommend downloading over copying.

After that, (in Firefox) go to FoxReplace options and click the "Import" button, choose the xml file you made ("PuncReplace.xml").

The settings will automatically load into FoxReplace.

Click the "Okay" button and after that whenever you edit or see the preview of the edits the FoxReplace addon will automatically make the appropriate substitutions. Good Hunting! [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 17:10, 6 July 2011 (UCT)

==Upgrade==
I am not so sure why I should do take a look? --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] 02:52, 30 June 2011 (UCT)

I'll post that collapsing upgrade idea in the forums, to discuss it. I'll give you the link to that shortly. After all, it is not a bad idea. [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] 02:50, 1 July 2011 (UCT)

Here's the link. XD

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4458 - [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] 02:59, 1 July 2011 (UCT)

Just by curiosity, what pages did you create except the collapsing upgrade? [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 02:09, 7 July 2011 (UCT)

The collapsing upgrade was a request/idea. I made the [[Help:Color]], [[Mimizuku and the King of Night: Volume]] and [[Template:IS Nav]] pages. But basically the first was copied from another source and the second was easy to make since all it is is the full volume page. The template was hard to make though. I have prepared similar templates for "Hidan no Aria" as well as "Chrome Shelled Regios" but they shouldn't be implemented without first implementing collapsibility, otherwise it will look too cluttered on the pages. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 04:49, 7 July 2011 (UCT)

BTW, why use the collapsibility for the projects? I mean, I k ow for the mature contents, but I do not understand for the normal projects. [[User:Kira0802|<font color="228B22">Kira</font>]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|<font color="C71585">Talk</font>]]) 00:01, 8 July 2011 (UCT)

When ever did I say to use collapsibility for normal projects/pages. I only said that it was optimal to use them for making collapsible templates (navigation or otherwise) as well as for hiding mature contents. Where did that idea come from? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 00:56, 8 July 2011 (UCT)

Answer: Ah, if it is like that, than I am the wrong person to ask, since I dont have any say in that. --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] 16:03, 8 July 2011 (UCT)

Talking about the nav bar at the end of the chapters. Why would this be used since we already have the 'previous chapter', 'next chapter' and 'main page' buttons? [[User:Kira0802|<font color="228B22">Kira</font>]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|<font color="C71585">Talk</font>]]) 16:39, 8 July 2011 (UCT)

Let's say that there are two events or dialogues that are interrelated but separated by one or more chapters or even books. Which would be preferable? Going through multiple pages to check and compare the info or simply using one link. That is why full nav templates are more preferable. I mean even for projects that have two or more points of development(ie: two or more chapters being translated at the same time) can be easily navigated between rather than having to go back to the main page and then the other one. It was taught to me in Uni. Websites that can allow the surfer to navigate from one point to another in the least amount of steps (ie: page loads) are considered more user friendly and popular than those who take more steps. I mean which would you prefer? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 18:59, 8 July 2011 (UCT)

==IS translation edit==

===Awkward sentence in vol 6 chapter 4===

Sorry about that, I knew that was awkward translation but I just can't find better wording =.=". The last sentence talk about how the knife holster was positioned so the knife's grip face horizontally to the front instead of vertically upward in order for the user to be able to easily snatch the knife whenever he/she wants to. Basically, it was positioned like [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ga5pqw-CaMA/TNuUGCxta8I/AAAAAAAAAQg/hfxIMFaz3_Q/s1600/tshirts11.jpg this gun holster] position instead of [http://hidebay.com/catalog/images/holster1.jpg this one]--[[User:Kuroi shinigami|Kuroi shinigami]] 03:44, 10 July 2011 (UCT)

So basically It was an arm holster with horisontal positioning rather than a hip holster with vertical positioning? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 03:47, 10 July 2011 (UCT)

Take a look on the chapter page. I changed it to mirror what you suggested. Is that okay? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 04:03, 10 July 2011 (UCT)

Yea, that's great. Thanks for the edit. There's a change in sentence structure compared to the original Japanese sentence, but that can't be helped in a translation IMO due to the structural difference between Japanese and English. I also change the sentence structure sometimes in order to keep the meaning and not sounds awkward. --[[User:Kuroi shinigami|Kuroi shinigami]] 04:19, 10 July 2011 (UCT)

Yeah well that is unavoidable sometimes. I mean the sentence structures of japanese and english are basically opposites. So moving the words is inevitable. I think it's fine so long as the meaning is as close as possible. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 06:03, 10 July 2011 (UCT)

===About reference===
====Character References====
Isn't a reference for each character name a little too much? I could understand if it's for in-game technologies, but IMHO, giving reference for a character to a wiki is a little to excessive. What do you think? --[[User:Kuroi shinigami|Kuroi shinigami]] 14:39, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

That was what I thought too. [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 14:49, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

I don't do it each each and every time. Just normally once a volume per character. And I don't actually think it's excessive. Actually I think it will help both the IS wiki ''as well as us''. By allowing people to jump to the pages there they can start editing there as well. Think of it as an investment. By linking to them we are sharing in their popularity. And allow them to share in our readers. It's actually beneficial to both us and them. A symbiotic relationship, even if they don't link to us. Just the fact that we link to them will be enough. Trust me. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 14:55, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

As for the amount of links. Rather than going through one link and having to search there for the correct pages and then navigating to the said pages. It is better to link directly to the required page, no? Thus we change a ''two or more'' step process into a ''one'' step process. Thus the more links the better. It's the same basic principle as wikipedia. If it's just about looks. Then trust me you'll get the hang of it. And I think there was a way to streamline the links a bit more so that they look like in-wiki links. I'll try to find that method. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 14:55, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

I've already put the links there. Plus with all the other edits. It took me hours per page. Please let it stay. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 14:57, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

Well, the link for things other than the character name is a good idea IMO, but I just feel that linking character profile is a little excessive, especially in 6th volume. Wouldn't it feel strange if there's a link to a complete character profile when the person is just getting introduced into the story and you're supposed to know them throughout the story? Not to mention the potential getting-spoiled problem for people who's just curious and accidentally click on the link and read the complete profile while he/she hasn't read the later volume. But if you think that's good, I won't change it. I'm not that cruel to make your hard and great work into nothing just for something trivial like this. It's just something to think about. Thanks for your edit as always. --[[User:Kuroi shinigami|Kuroi shinigami]] 15:19, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

Actually I had thought about that. Would a warning atop the page suffice? I mean there are some who like to be spoiled and some who don't. Plus the IS wiki's character page mainly have spoiler data from the Anime. There are subtle differences between the Anime and the LN, aren't there? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 15:23, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

Yes, there's subtle difference, but still, the wiki will be updated in the future sooner and later(even faster if your target of enriching the wiki is reached) and spoiler will become abundant about the later volume's plot. And bout warning atop the page, some reader don't read the notice if they're in a hurry to know what happened next in the story, I know at least I never pay attention to warning in the top XD, but at least it will be better than nothing I guess. Well, I'll leave the matter about this link to you, other translator, and the other editors out there(and of course what the reader think) so I will lay my hand off to this matter. You don't mind if I open a topic about this in the forum just to hear what the reader thought about this right? Oh, and ask Teh_Ping and Kira too if he minds about this or not because we do have to keep the format between volumes consistent right? My vote goes to "doesn't mind"--[[User:Kuroi shinigami|Kuroi shinigami]] 15:33, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

I don't mind. If there is anything else you wish to discuss with me feel free to do so. Actually I'm trying to enrich both baka-tsuki and the IS wiki. At least I hope it will stop the guys translating the LN over at the IS wiki and/or lure them here. And I don't think Teh Ping or Kira would mind seeing as I just finished doing it (adding the reference links) for all the chapter pages to date (Volume 6 was the last). Thus making the format between the volumes consistent. Boy was that a brain burner. It took days to go through everything and change a lot of stuff. Grammar, Punctuation, Englishifying exclamations, Adding References and TL Notes, etc. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 15:42, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

Ah and by the way I prefer using the ref tag over writing the TL Notes on a separate page. It allows for backlinks to the refering text. And did you know you can group the references so that they look just like the current seperate page when put in the fulltext version. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Footnotes for more details. I'd like some thoughts on it. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 16:13, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

About the refs, I want to make the hyperlink in the bottom, OK? I did it with mostly of IS V4C1, but too lazy to do it all. [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 17:07, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

Well you can use the ref tags to do so but like I said before that will make a one step process into a two step process. How about this: Give me a little time. I'm sure there was a way to have [http://www.google.com/ external links] mimic [[Main Page|internal links]] so the the small window sign doesn't show. I'll try to find that. If we have that in hand we can try that instead. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 20:51, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

Well I found the link used to connect to The Infinite Stratos Wiki. Just copy it and replace the last part with the character's name: [[wikia:c:Infinite-Stratos:Infinite_Stratos_Wiki]]. The system is called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Interwiki_linking Interwiki Linking]. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 21:06, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

Ohhh, this is so frustrating. The interwiki link for wikipedia is not working. Oh well At least the IS Wiki Interwiki link works. Here you go:

<nowiki>[[wikia:c:Infinite-Stratos:*Insert page name here*|*Insert link text here*]]</nowiki>

And that's basically how to do it. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 21:23, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

[[wikia:c:Infinite-Stratos:Orimura_Ichika|Orimura Ichika]]<br>
[[wikia:c:Infinite-Stratos:Orimura_Chifuyu|Orimura Chifuyu]]<br>
[[wikia:c:Infinite-Stratos:Shinonono_Houki|Shinonono Houki]]<br>
[[wikia:c:Infinite-Stratos:Cecilia_Alcott|Cecilia Alcott]]<br>
[[wikia:c:Infinite-Stratos:Huang_Lingyin|Huang Lingyin]]<br>
[[wikia:c:Infinite-Stratos:Charlotte_Dunois|Charlotte Dunois]]<br>
[[wikia:c:Infinite-Stratos:Laura_Bodewig|Laura Bodewig]]<br>
[[wikia:c:Infinite-Stratos:Ran_Gotanda|Ran Gotanda]]<br>
[[wikia:c:Infinite-Stratos:Dan_Gotanda|Dan Gotanda]]<br>
etc, etc, etc.

Kira all you have to do is undo the changes and then use the wiki search and replace method to replace the links as shown. If you want to do it that is. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 21:33, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

I think too that this isnt necessary. If you're reading a book you normaly dont get any separate informations about the characters. Or are have the books themself a introduction to the characters? --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] 22:06, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

Da-ka-ra. Like I said. Why write everything from scratch when there is such a convenient source for cross-referencing around already? All I need is the go ahead. Switching the links will be a snap with me using FoxReplace. Plus with books you have to flip through a multitude of pages for what you're searching for. Her it's a single link. The work load is extremely reduced. Besides even if you do put all the explanation you will still have to link them, there really isn't much difference except using an already existing source for the links. Of course... It goes without saying that I won't do anything without some approval. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 23:05, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

: You didnt get it right? There are no where in this wiki character overviews also no links to those! (In my opinion. But if the other admins will allow that, I wouldnt have said anything, but once where those removed from a project.) Terminology list (/overviews) are different, since their purpose is to show which term to use for the translation of some rare special words, also to show how to transcribe (some) names. --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] 02:44, 14 July 2011 (UCT)

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Undo the changes? Impossible for now. Since I've made other edits after this, I'll have to do it manually. Well, for now, I'm a bit short on time, and editing from my iPhone one a wiki is pretty difficult. So I'll do it later.

Well, we'll give your method a try. However, I want to submit a poll in the forums for the readers.[[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 23:12, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

If you can't undo the changes then that's fine too. I can manually change it, given time. But if you are going to submit a poll then consider if the readers will be able to understand the terminology and the system used. Personally I think they wouldn't be able to wrap their heads around it and go for the negative option just because it's beyond their understanding even if it is easy to use. New systems are like that in a way. Easy to use but complex to understand, in the beginning anyway. Though once they do understand it the popularity just skyrockets. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 23:16, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

I will need a clear go ahead though. I need to be sure I'm not about to do something that might put me at direct odds with either Kira or Kuroi or any other translator. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 23:21, 13 July 2011 (UCT)
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Personally, I do not mind, as long as I don't have to put them by myself. Too lazy lol. However, I'm not sure readers would appreciate that much blue text. [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 23:23, 13 July 2011 (UCT)
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So can I do it? Yes, no? Umm I think by setting the text color black we can avoid the blue text. But even without I think it will be fine. There aren't that many links. Honestly wikipedia and the wikia sites have a LOT more. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 23:26, 13 July 2011 (UCT)
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I don't really care, as I said. But first, I'm not the supervisor. Teh_Ping-sama is. So, I cannot say "yes" or "no". [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 23:29, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

Hmm. Well seeing he hasn't had a problem so far I think I will get to it. If it does become a problem he can always revert my edits. Though it would be sad seeing as I worked so hard. Sigh. I hope it's fine. I will get around to it soon. Please be patient while I configure the optimal settings for FoxReplace so that something unnecessary doesn't get changed. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 23:31, 13 July 2011 (UCT)

Well I've done the ones I could. As for the wikipedia links leave them for now. As soon as the functionality of the interwiki links covers that here, I will switch them. Sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 00:40, 14 July 2011 (UCT)

I've tried all the possible combinations for wikipedia including the shortcuts, trying to direct it through the wikia and through metawiki. Nothing works. I think something is missing in the current version of the MetaWiki used by baka-tsuki, most probably updating to version 1.17 will do the trick. We'll have to wait untill then. Or I might have to make a redirection template. Oooo, not looking forward to that option. Too messy. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 01:02, 14 July 2011 (UCT)

Sorry, haven't been getting involved in this.

Anyway, there can be referral links for two things. 1. IS terminologies. 2. Obscure references (Saves time for us translators so that we don't have to do translator notes). However, please remove the character links, since there are spoilers related to them.--[[User:Teh Ping|Teh Ping]] 02:54, 14 July 2011 (UCT)

Well, it seems our supervisor also doesn't agree about character links due to spoiler, so I guess we'll have to remove the character links eventually. If what Zero wants is to refresh everyone's memory about character name, why not make a separate pages just linking the character appearing in it? Maybe with a little insert of small non-spoilerish introduction in the page too along with the link to the IS wikia, just like a character introduction page in manga. The LN has it too, but it's too short and usually only on the very main character, so it should be fine to make it on separate page. That way, not only that people who doesn't want to read back the volumes can be reminded on who the cast is, the people who don't want to be spoiled can just skip the page completely.--[[User:Kuroi shinigami|Kuroi shinigami]] 11:54, 14 July 2011 (UCT)

Aww maaann. Oh well. Feel free to do so. At least the IS terminologies will remain. Proverb: A bird in hand is better than two in the bush. How about on the [[Infinite_Stratos|IS project main page]] like the one on [[Utsuro_no_Hako_to_Zero_no_Maria#Character_Introduction]]. Linking to the IS wiki Character pages from there with a spoiler warning at the beginning of the section? How does that sound? And I think we should move this discussion to the IS Main Page's Talk Page. It's gone beyond a simple conversation hasn't it? Or maybe not. It might cause more disruption. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 14:16, 14 July 2011 (UCT)

Other examples include:

[[Dantalian_no_Shoka#Character_Introduction]]<br>
[[Gekkou#Character_Introduction]]<br>
etc...

[[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 14:24, 14 July 2011 (UCT)
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Last time I did with Hidan no Aria, Vaelis said to me: "This isn't Wikipedia." [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 15:56, 14 July 2011 (UCT)

But it uses the same system. It's a shame not to use it to it's full potential. Plus it is ''because'' it is not wikipedia that we can have links to there in order to use it's existing system, no? LOL. This reminds me. Recently my sister got an expensive macintosh computer with Mac OS X. And all she ever uses it for is writing articles and watching some DVD/HD quality videos. Isn't that wasteful? And there are already three examples on baka-tsuki of Character Introduction so why not? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 17:27, 14 July 2011 (UCT)

How about I make an example on my Sandbox for seeing and then we can decide? It will take some time though. A break from this topic if you will. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 17:38, 14 July 2011 (UCT)

[[User:Zero2001/Sandbox#IS_Character_Introduction|Take a look]]. We can make any changes you wish. For the pictures should I go for full-body shots or is a head shot fine? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 18:41, 14 July 2011 (UCT)
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Head shot is fine. BTW, you forgot the kanas for Charl.

Actually I left that out on purpose. That would be a spoiler, no? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 22:16, 15 July 2011 (UCT)

====Other References====
Wouldn't adding a reference for Germany a bit too much? I also think the same for 'orange juice'. [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 13:27, 16 July 2011 (UCT)

But it's interesting. Really, no lie. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 13:28, 16 July 2011 (UCT)

====Cite Error on Grouping References====
Hey what the... I can't even [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Footnotes#Separate_lists_of_references_and_footnotes_.28grouping_footnotes.29 group the footnotes]??? Just how ancient is the system on baka-tsuki? I had planned on grouping together each chapter's notes so that they could be displayed under chapter subheadings underneath the [[IS:Volume6#Translation_Notes_and_References|Translation Notes and References]] heading. What is this? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 13:35, 16 July 2011 (UCT)

Are you sure that it doesn't work? I don't think BT is THAT old...Also, mind rearranging your talk page? That way I don't need to scroll down every time...

I tried doing it on Volume 6 chapter 1. I used search and replace to make all <nowiki><ref> into <ref group="c1"></nowiki> but when I tried to preview my changes it gave me a cite error. Ahhh, when will MediaWiki be uploaded to v1.17. The stable release has been out since June 22nd. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 13:53, 16 July 2011 (UCT)

Oh wait... [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php Cite.php] has to be upgraded. Why are we so behind? See [[Special:Version]] for more details. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 13:57, 16 July 2011 (UCT)

Okay. Thanks to the upgrading references can be grouped now. I've done it for volume 6. At first I toyed with the naming of the reference groups I though of using "v6c#" or "c#" where # stands for the chapter number. But a number followed by another number didn't look good. Really it didn't... Then I thought to make it small yet good looking by puting "6A", "6B", "6C", etc... where 6 stood for volume 6 and A, B, C, etc... for the chapter 1, 2, 3, etc... It's simple concise yet effective. Okay now... dinner time, dinner time. Be back soon. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 20:59, 23 July 2011 (UCT)

== IS V2ch1 ==

Hey man-- you definitely caught some good errors with your edit, but " 's " is not the enemy. :p It's perfectly fine to leave the " 's " as is instead of editing it to "is". I otherwise wouldn't really say much, but with the character's laid back personality the abbreviation flows more naturally.

Also, I'm not sure adding all the '?' was really really necessary either. While it could potentially be interpreted as a question, seems to me like the main character was more just making a statement. Adding the '?' changes the 'tone of reading,' for lack of a better term.

What do you think?
[[User:Starkiller4299|Starkiller4299]] 18:26, 14 July 2011 (UCT)

Hey wait a minute that's not me. Blame it on the IP. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 18:37, 14 July 2011 (UCT)

Sorry about that then! For some reason you were listed....or, I was being silly at the time. And I like to talk it over before I undo people's changes--don't want to offend anyone ;). [[User:Starkiller4299|Starkiller4299]] 19:10, 14 July 2011 (UCT)

Ahhhhh, I get it now--you had the previous revision, and the IP made changes to it. I just glossed over the page and found the only 'user talk' link. So, yes, I was being silly. D'oh! [[User:Starkiller4299|Starkiller4299]] 19:13, 14 July 2011 (UCT)

Homer Simpson. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 19:44, 14 July 2011 (UCT)

== IS Volume 4 ==

BTW, Zero, can you not add any refernece before I complete a chapter? Since it's too confusing when I proofread it, leave it to the end. [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 14:08, 16 July 2011 (UCT)

Okay. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 14:19, 16 July 2011 (UCT)

I have a request too. Instead of linking and putting the translation notes in another page can you use <nowiki><ref>T/N note</ref></nowiki>. Just a request though. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 14:37, 16 July 2011 (UCT)

Oh, no problems. I never make references lol. Normally, I only do it for editors in case of translation problems. However, sometimes, I'll directly make a T/N in parenthesis and don't want that on the bottom of the pages. In that case, I'll specify it. Otherwise, I'm using the ref tag, cause it's easier for me. [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 22:09, 16 July 2011 (UCT)

I think putting T/N notes in ref tags is better since you can mix up the writer's bracketed text/notes with the Translator's bracketed notes. It gives a proper feeling of separation. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 03:30, 18 July 2011 (UCT)

Actually, I do not know a lot of author notes. Also, some characters missing in your introduction. I think thatt you should just put the basic ones, the IS pilots, (Take out Chifuyu and Yamada) and add a new page where you could put Yamada, Chifuyu, Tatenashi+her sister and Tabane.) [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 18:29, 20 July 2011 (UCT)

Nah it's fine this way. Chifuyu and Yamada appear alot so they're good. The rest can be added as one liners. Except Tabane of course. Making a new page instead of putting the data on an existing page would take more space (ie: "data_on_existing_page < data_on_new_page + new_page_size" where "data_on_existing_page = data_on_new_page"). It's fine, It's fine. Trust me. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 00:07, 21 July 2011 (UCT)

Zero, I think for the other characters, a second page would be needed. TMI on the main page. Can you 'collapse' the characters introduction? [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 14:20, 21 July 2011 (UCT)

I could... but before that [[User:thelastguardian|thelastguardian]] has to implement collapsibility. Let's leave it as it is for now and just add stuff. When collapsibility becomes enabled I'll implement it. How's that sound? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 14:41, 21 July 2011 (UCT)

== I look at your sandbox page ==

your nav table and character page looks good, I'm impressed. can you make one for my projects too? XD --[[User:Larethian|larethian]] 06:47, 20 July 2011 (UCT)

there's no need to hurry. my projects are Densetsu no Yuusha no Densetsu, and Itsuka Tenma no Kuro Usagi XD --[[User:Larethian|larethian]] 10:13, 20 July 2011 (UCT)

Looks good except for the prologue chapter point. --[[User:Larethian|larethian]] 11:23, 24 July 2011 (UCT)

Will do, thanks --[[User:Larethian|larethian]] 12:12, 24 July 2011 (UCT)

== IS full text ==

Issues with the fulll text version of V6. [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 19:15, 20 July 2011 (UCT)

EDIT: Fixed. Something with a ref link caused the problem. [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 19:24, 20 July 2011 (UCT)

== IS chapters ==

I think it might be better to put the refs in the bottom, and not dorectly linked. I just read the entire PDF versions, and it kills my eyes... [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 17:48, 23 July 2011 (UCT)

Then how about removing them in the pdf versions only? It's just a little more work. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 18:29, 23 July 2011 (UCT)

I don't know, wife even in the PDF, you need refs. What I'm working on is copy-pasting the first sentence of the Wikipedua article and pasting it, or explain it briefly myself, on the bottom on the page + the wiki article. That way, you don't always need to go on a hyperlink. And on another note, should we keep 'red tea' or change it to 'black tea'? [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 18:40, 23 July 2011 (UCT)

I think [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_tea red tea] is fine. We should stay as faithful to the original as possible. A reference note should do for explaining. As for the wikipedia links. Hmm... I think it is fine the way it is but a reference note at the bottom briefly explaining with the article link is fine too. Having a ref note with only a link sounds somewhat, y'know. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 20:32, 23 July 2011 (UCT)

== Mature Collapse ==

Just so you know your mature collapse does not work on web browsers without JavaScript support or with JavaScript disabled. [[User:11maddtr|11maddtr]] 13:20, 24 July 2011 (UCT)