Kara no Kyoukai:Chapter03 11 - Revision history

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	"Touko-san, what is this Indomethacin?"		"Touko-san, what is this Indomethacin?"

	"It's a painkiller. It doesn't matter if it's peripheral or referred pain, pain occurs from reactions to "outside forces that might endanger life". An algesic substance is made inside your body which stimulates the nerves relating to pain. This triggers pain to your brain. It tells the brain that the body will die if it doesn't do something. You know what algesic substances are, right? There are things such as Kinin and Amin, as well as Arachidonic Acid metabolites which strengthen the two. ~~Such things~~ as Aspirin and Indomethacin control the Prostaglandin which is in this Arachidon. The pain from Kinin and Amin isn't much, so taking in a lot of Indomethacin would take away most of the pain."		"It's a painkiller. It doesn't matter if it's peripheral or referred pain, pain occurs from reactions to "outside forces that might endanger life". An algesic substance is made inside your body which stimulates the nerves relating to pain. This triggers pain to your brain. It tells the brain that the body will die if it doesn't do something. You know what algesic substances are, right? There are things such as Kinin and Amin, as well as Arachidonic Acid metabolites which strengthen the two. Things such as Aspirin and Indomethacin control the Prostaglandin which is in this Arachidon. The pain from Kinin and Amin isn't much, so taking in a lot of Indomethacin would take away most of the pain."

	Touko-san seems really happy, as she is relatively hyper.		Touko-san seems really happy, as she is relatively hyper.

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	I nod to the small difference between the two.		I nod to the small difference between the two.

	"Giving her the medicine of course. According to the doctor, Fujino's father had no intention of curing Fujino's pain insensitivity. Most of the medicine that the doctor provided was Aspirin and ~~Indometacin~~, steroids. According to the examination by the doctor, he says Fujino probably has Neuromyelitis Optica."		"Giving her the medicine of course. According to the doctor, Fujino's father had no intention of curing Fujino's pain insensitivity. Most of the medicine that the doctor provided was Aspirin and Indomethacin, steroids. According to the examination by the doctor, he says Fujino probably has Neuromyelitis Optica."

	"Neuromyelitis optica...... Devic's disease, huh?"		"Neuromyelitis optica...... Devic's disease, huh?"
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	Devic's disease. It is a type of myelitis and is a disease that causes numbness of the senses. Common symptoms are numbness in the lower legs and eyesight going bad. It even has the danger of making one blind. This disease requires early treatment with steroids. The steroids are what Touko-san mentioned before... what they call adrenocorticosteroid.		Devic's disease. It is a type of myelitis and is a disease that causes numbness of the senses. Common symptoms are numbness in the lower legs and eyesight going bad. It even has the danger of making one blind. This disease requires early treatment with steroids. The steroids are what Touko-san mentioned before... what they call adrenocorticosteroid.

	"In addition, they use ~~Indometacin~~ which numbs the sense of pain. I see. That would indeed make her like that. She's not inherent or posteriori. Asagami Fujino lost her senses artificially. It's the exact opposite of Shiki!"		"In addition, they use Indomethacin which numbs the sense of pain. I see. That would indeed make her like that. She's not inherent or posteriori. Asagami Fujino lost her senses artificially. It's the exact opposite of Shiki!"

	Touko-san starts to laugh. It's a bit scary, she is like the professor I saw yesterday.		Touko-san starts to laugh. It's a bit scary, she is like the professor I saw yesterday.

	"Touko-san, what is this ~~Indometacin~~?"		"Touko-san, what is this Indomethacin?"

	"It's a painkiller. It doesn't matter if it's peripheral or referred pain, pain occurs from reactions to "outside forces that might endanger life". An algesic substance is made inside your body which stimulates the nerves relating to pain. This triggers pain to your brain. It tells the brain that the body will die if it doesn't do something. You know what algesic substances are, right? There are things such as Kinin and Amin, as well as Arachidonic Acid metabolites which strengthen the two. Such things as Aspirin and ~~Indometacin~~ control the Prostaglandin which is in this Arachidon. The pain from Kinin and Amin isn't much, so taking in a lot of ~~Indometacin~~ would take away most of the pain."		"It's a painkiller. It doesn't matter if it's peripheral or referred pain, pain occurs from reactions to "outside forces that might endanger life". An algesic substance is made inside your body which stimulates the nerves relating to pain. This triggers pain to your brain. It tells the brain that the body will die if it doesn't do something. You know what algesic substances are, right? There are things such as Kinin and Amin, as well as Arachidonic Acid metabolites which strengthen the two. Such things as Aspirin and Indomethacin control the Prostaglandin which is in this Arachidon. The pain from Kinin and Amin isn't much, so taking in a lot of Indomethacin would take away most of the pain."

	Touko-san seems really happy, as she is relatively hyper.		Touko-san seems really happy, as she is relatively hyper.

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	"You're fast. It's only been a day."		"You're fast. It's only been a day."

	"I heard a storm was coming so I came back before public ~~transport~~ stopped."		"I heard a storm was coming so I came back before public transportation stopped."

	Touko-san nods while making a difficult face. I wonder if something is wrong... No, right now......		Touko-san nods while making a difficult face. I wonder if something is wrong... No, right now......

Florin: Another medical stuff. Retinitis is eye sickness, nothing to do with cecitis or appendix. My guess is, it's peritonitis, which is what follows inflamation.

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Another medical stuff. Retinitis is eye sickness, nothing to do with cecitis or appendix. My guess is, it's peritonitis, which is what follows inflamation.

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	Is Asagami Fujino really doing as she wishes? To me, it seems like she is running away desperately. Touko-san continues.		Is Asagami Fujino really doing as she wishes? To me, it seems like she is running away desperately. Touko-san continues.

	"But what I mean by too late is the physical part. Cecitis perforate when left alone and become ~~Retinitis~~. Inflammation ~~of retina~~ comes with pain incomparable to that of the vermiform appendix. You could say it matches the pain of being stabbed with a knife. Then, one would start getting fevers and cyanosis. They may even go into shock from lowered blood pressure. If it reaches the duodenum, you could die in half a day. It's been five days since the 20th. It should already have perforated. It's a shame, but it's fatal for her already."		"But what I mean by too late is the physical part. Cecitis perforate when left alone and become peritonitis. Inflammation comes with pain incomparable to that of the vermiform appendix. You could say it matches the pain of being stabbed with a knife. Then, one would start getting fevers and cyanosis. They may even go into shock from lowered blood pressure. If it reaches the duodenum, you could die in half a day. It's been five days since the 20th. It should already have perforated. It's a shame, but it's fatal for her already."

	How can this person say that with such a cool face?		How can this person say that with such a cool face?

Georgi: nothing of much interest; please, a translator, check my note on earn vs yearn

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nothing of much interest; please, a translator, check my note on earn vs yearn

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	"That's terrible. The only way for her to stay normal is to be abnormal."		"That's terrible. The only way for her to stay normal is to be abnormal."

	That's right. Asagami Fujino could be in our world only by being abnormal in the form of pain insensitivity. But as long as she cannot feel anything, she cannot earn anything. She is only a ghost allowed to live in our world.		That's right. Asagami Fujino could be in our world only by being abnormal in the form of pain insensitivity. But as long as she cannot feel anything, she cannot earn anything. She is only a ghost allowed to live in our world. <!-- Georgi: I still find earn weird, is it the right translation? I saw it used twice in a previous chapter, but I can’t help but think that perhaps “yearn” was the verb intended… -->

	"If she did not feel pain, she would have ~~not~~ killed anyone."		"If she did not feel pain, she would not have killed anyone."

	"Hey now, don't treat pain like it's a bad thing. Pain is a good thing. The bad thing is the wound, you shouldn't get this wrong. We need pain, no matter how much it hurts. People can recognize danger because they have pain. Do we move away from fire simply because it sets our hands on fire? No. It is because your hand is burning, and it hurts. If that's not the case, we would't know the danger of fire until our hand burnt off. It is right for pain to be painful, Kokutou. Anything that doesn't have that cannot understand other people's pain. Asagami Fujino was hit in the back and got her sense of pain back temporarily. She defended herself for the first time from the pain she received after that. Those people that she didn't notice as dangerous before, she was able to recognize as dangerous because of pain. ... Still, killing them was too much."		"Hey now, don't treat pain like it's a bad thing. Pain is a good thing. The bad thing is the wound, you shouldn't get this wrong. We need pain, no matter how much it hurts. People can recognize danger because they have pain. Do we move away from fire simply because it sets our hands on fire? No. It is because your hand is burning, and it hurts. If that's not the case, we would not know the danger of fire until our hand burnt off. It is right for pain to be painful, Kokutou. Anything that doesn't have that cannot understand other people's pain. Asagami Fujino was hit in the back and got her sense of pain back temporarily. She defended herself for the first time from the pain she received after that. Those people that she didn't notice as dangerous before, she was able to recognize as dangerous because of pain. ... Still, killing them was too much."

	... But Fujino does not feel pain. Those people died because of her defending herself, but they are partly responsible as they attacked her. You cannot make her bear all the responsibility.		... But Fujino does not feel pain. Those people died because of her defending herself, but they are partly responsible as they attacked her. You cannot make her bear all the responsibility.
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	"There is no wound that cannot be cured. A wound that cannot be cured should be called "death"."		"There is no wound that cannot be cured. A wound that cannot be cured should be called "death"."

	Touko-san indirectly calls Asagami Fujino's wound death. But the cause of these incidents ~~are~~ the stab wound in her stomach. If that pain comes back, if the cause of that pain is known......		Touko-san indirectly calls Asagami Fujino's wound death. But the cause of these incidents is the stab wound in her stomach. If that pain comes back, if the cause of that pain is known......

	"Kokutou, her wound cannot be cured. It will only continue to hurt."		"Kokutou, her wound cannot be cured. It will only continue to hurt."
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	I can clearly imagine the scene... I shake my head.		I can clearly imagine the scene... I shake my head.

	"But that's strange. If her sense of pain is back, she wouldn't make that kind of a mistake. She would not feel pain if she was not stabbed."		"But that's strange. If her sense of pain is back, she wouldn't make that kind of a mistake. She would not feel pain if she was not stabbed.

	"Fujino was in pain from the start."		"Fujino was in pain from the start."
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	I say so weakly.		I say so weakly.

	"The wound itself is. But the truth does not change. She was indeed on the edge. It doesn't matter if the knife was there or not. Her only way out was to kill them. If she did not kill, she would have been killed. Not her body but her mind. But unfortunately, Minato Keita got away. I don't think it would have turned out this bad if her revenge was completed then.. It's just like Shiki said. It's too late."		"The wound itself is. But the truth does not change. She was indeed on the edge. It doesn't matter if the knife was there or not. Her only way out was to kill them. If she did not kill, she would have been killed. Not her body but her mind. But unfortunately, Minato Keita got away. I don't think it would have turned out this bad if her revenge was completed then. It's just like Shiki said. It's too late."

	Come to think of it, Shiki did repeat that. Why would it be too late? Is it because Fujino has committed murder? But then, that would be when she killed those four guys. I don't understand.		Come to think of it, Shiki did repeat that. Why would it be too late? Is it because Fujino has committed murder? But then, that would be when she killed those four guys. I don't understand.
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	"Why is it too late?"		"Why is it too late?"

	"Shiki must mean the mental part. Her murder is murder for up to five people. A murder other than those is not murder, but a massacre. It is not justified. That is what Shiki was angry about. ... Shiki has a taste for murder but she still understands unconsciously how important death is. That is why she does not kill indiscriminately like Asagami Fujino. Shiki, cannot forgive Fujino for just doing as she wishes."		"Shiki must mean the mental part. Her murder is murder for up to five people. A murder other than those is not murder, but a massacre. It is not justified. That is what Shiki was angry about. ... Shiki has a taste for murder but she still understands unconsciously how important death is. That is why she does not kill indiscriminately like Asagami Fujino. Shiki cannot forgive Fujino for just doing as she wishes."

	Is Asagami Fujino really doing as she wishes? To me, it seems like she is running away desperately. Touko-san continues.		Is Asagami Fujino really doing as she wishes? To me, it seems like she is running away desperately. Touko-san continues.
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	"Kokutou, our client for this is Asagami Fujino's father. He must have known about Fujino's power. That is why he heard about the incident and thought it must be Fujino's doing. The father said to "kill that monster". The only one that can protect her is wishing for her death. See, Kokutou, she has no salvation in any sense. And besides, Shiki already left."		"Kokutou, our client for this is Asagami Fujino's father. He must have known about Fujino's power. That is why he heard about the incident and thought it must be Fujino's doing. The father said to "kill that monster". The only one that can protect her is wishing for her death. See, Kokutou, she has no salvation in any sense. And besides, Shiki already left."

	"...... You idiot...!!"		"...... You idiot...!"

	I scream at no one.		I scream at no one.

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Vaelis at 13:56, 3 January 2009

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Florin: Fixed Fujino's diagnosis - cecitis, not arrhythmia, and it's different from appendicitis.

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Fixed Fujino's diagnosis - cecitis, not arrhythmia, and it's different from appendicitis.

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	......... Huh?		......... Huh?

	"I was shown her status by her doctor. She has chronic ~~Arrhythmia~~... what people call Appendicitis. Well, I guess that is why she went to the doctor. The pain in the stomach is not the pain from the knife, but rather an internal pain. Her pain ached from time to time. If her sense of pain returned right before being stabbed, she would surely think that she was stabbed. If you are raised not knowing pain, you wouldn't even make sure if the wound is there or not. Fujino would look at the stabbed stomach, and even if it didn't have a wound, she would think that the wound must have healed."		"I was shown her status by her doctor. She has chronic Cecitis... what people mistakenly call Appendicitis. Well, I guess that is why she went to the doctor. The pain in the stomach is not the pain from the knife, but rather an internal pain. Her pain ached from time to time. If her sense of pain returned right before being stabbed, she would surely think that she was stabbed. If you are raised not knowing pain, you wouldn't even make sure if the wound is there or not. Fujino would look at the stabbed stomach, and even if it didn't have a wound, she would think that the wound must have healed."

	"So... it's a misunderstanding?"		"So... it's a misunderstanding?"
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	Is Asagami Fujino really doing as she wishes? To me, it seems like she is running away desperately. Tohko-san continues.		Is Asagami Fujino really doing as she wishes? To me, it seems like she is running away desperately. Tohko-san continues.

	"But what I mean by too late is the physical part. ~~Arrihythmia~~ perforate when left alone and become Retinitis. Inflammation of retina comes with pain incomparable to that of the vermiform appendix. You could say it matches the pain of being stabbed with a knife. Then, one would start getting fevers and cyanosis. They may even go into shock from lowered blood pressure. If it reaches the duodenum, you could die in half a day. It's been five days since the 20th. It should already have perforated. It's a shame, but it's fatal for her already."		"But what I mean by too late is the physical part. Cecitis perforate when left alone and become Retinitis. Inflammation of retina comes with pain incomparable to that of the vermiform appendix. You could say it matches the pain of being stabbed with a knife. Then, one would start getting fevers and cyanosis. They may even go into shock from lowered blood pressure. If it reaches the duodenum, you could die in half a day. It's been five days since the 20th. It should already have perforated. It's a shame, but it's fatal for her already."

	How can this person say that with such a cool face?		How can this person say that with such a cool face?

Ddrddr: usual stuff

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