User talk:Aozf05 - Revision history

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=User_talk%3AAozf05 User talk:Aozf05 - Revision history 2026-05-11T19:26:16Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.43.1 http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User_talk:Aozf05&diff=168211&oldid=prev Aozf05 at 08:43, 11 July 2012 2012-07-11T08:43:13Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 08:43, 11 July 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l33">Line 33:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 33:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Sorry for bringing this up again, but [http://www.whiners.pro/2012/03/ellipses-in-fansubbing/ this] explains most of my personal reasoning for my usage of ellipses. Ellipses for partial quotations is nearly completely absent in light novels, so the main purpose they serve is as a pause within lines of speech. Hence, my choice to represent that pause in a way that would as obvious as possible, for it to not be skipped over (and quite honestly, ". . ." just looks ridiculous in a conversation).<br />As for differentiating ellipses within and at the end of sentences, I merely use adjust the capitalisation of the word after the ellipsis ("... A" / "... a"). Frankly, I've never seen anyone use a period after an ellipsis to represent a sentence trailing off in speech.<br />Either way, thanks for your edits. My grammar tends to be all over the place at times. --[[User:Tap|Tap]] 10:02, 10 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Sorry for bringing this up again, but [http://www.whiners.pro/2012/03/ellipses-in-fansubbing/ this] explains most of my personal reasoning for my usage of ellipses. Ellipses for partial quotations is nearly completely absent in light novels, so the main purpose they serve is as a pause within lines of speech. Hence, my choice to represent that pause in a way that would as obvious as possible, for it to not be skipped over (and quite honestly, ". . ." just looks ridiculous in a conversation).<br />As for differentiating ellipses within and at the end of sentences, I merely use adjust the capitalisation of the word after the ellipsis ("... A" / "... a"). Frankly, I've never seen anyone use a period after an ellipsis to represent a sentence trailing off in speech.<br />Either way, thanks for your edits. My grammar tends to be all over the place at times. --[[User:Tap|Tap]] 10:02, 10 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I only mentioned the end of the sentence thing to let it be known for anyone who's interested that a rule does exist for that. But it probably falls into that category of "never split infinitives, never end sentences with prepositions" kind of rule that most people don't follow. It doesn't really matter anyway, it's just an extra dot. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 03:43, 11 July 2012 (CDT)</ins></div></td></tr>  </table>

Aozf05 http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User_talk:Aozf05&diff=168074&oldid=prev Tap at 15:04, 10 July 2012 2012-07-10T15:04:14Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:04, 10 July 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l32">Line 32:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 32:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>For now I'm going to leave all dashes and ellipses alone. I'll also go back and revert changes I made to dashes and ellipses in volume 1 in the near future, if it hasn't been done already. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 02:23, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>For now I'm going to leave all dashes and ellipses alone. I'll also go back and revert changes I made to dashes and ellipses in volume 1 in the near future, if it hasn't been done already. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 02:23, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Sorry bringing this up again, but [http://www.whiners.pro/2012/03/ellipses-in-fansubbing/ <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">here's</del>] most of my personal reasoning for my usage of ellipses. Ellipses for partial quotations is nearly completely absent in light novels, so the main purpose they serve is as a pause within lines of speech. Hence, my choice to represent that pause in a way that would as obvious as possible, for it to not be skipped over (quite honestly, ". . ." just looks ridiculous in a conversation).<br />As for differentiating ellipses within and at the end of sentences, I merely use adjust the capitalisation of the word after the ellipsis (... A / ... a). Frankly, I've never seen anyone use a period after an ellipsis to represent a sentence trailing off in speech.<br />Either way, thanks for your edits. My grammar tends to be all over the place at times. --[[User:Tap|Tap]] 10:02, 10 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Sorry <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">for </ins>bringing this up again, but [http://www.whiners.pro/2012/03/ellipses-in-fansubbing/ <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">this</ins>] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">explains </ins>most of my personal reasoning for my usage of ellipses. Ellipses for partial quotations is nearly completely absent in light novels, so the main purpose they serve is as a pause within lines of speech. Hence, my choice to represent that pause in a way that would as obvious as possible, for it to not be skipped over (<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and </ins>quite honestly, ". . ." just looks ridiculous in a conversation).<br />As for differentiating ellipses within and at the end of sentences, I merely use adjust the capitalisation of the word after the ellipsis (<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</ins>... A<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">" </ins>/ <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</ins>... a<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</ins>). Frankly, I've never seen anyone use a period after an ellipsis to represent a sentence trailing off in speech.<br />Either way, thanks for your edits. My grammar tends to be all over the place at times. --[[User:Tap|Tap]] 10:02, 10 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td></tr> </table>

Tap http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User_talk:Aozf05&diff=168073&oldid=prev Tap at 15:02, 10 July 2012 2012-07-10T15:02:16Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:02, 10 July 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l26">Line 26:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 26:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>When used parenthetically, the dashes can be used like Zero's first example, but when they occur by themselves, I usually see A B—C. Also, for ellipses, I may have messed up a little. I think it depends on preference whether they have spaces around them or not, but I generally see ...A, A...B, or A.... If a sentence ends in an ellipsis, you have to add a fourth full-stop because the ellipsis is three full-stops and then the end of the sentence is marked with another full-stop. I don't know if you want to go through every light novel to fix that though. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 00:10, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>When used parenthetically, the dashes can be used like Zero's first example, but when they occur by themselves, I usually see A B—C. Also, for ellipses, I may have messed up a little. I think it depends on preference whether they have spaces around them or not, but I generally see ...A, A...B, or A.... If a sentence ends in an ellipsis, you have to add a fourth full-stop because the ellipsis is three full-stops and then the end of the sentence is marked with another full-stop. I don't know if you want to go through every light novel to fix that though. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 00:10, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What I've seen is a space between <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">elipsis </del>and B for the A...B in case of non-stuttering. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 01:43, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What I've seen is a space between <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ellipses </ins>and B for the A...B in case of non-stuttering. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 01:43, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Hm, well I wouldn't do that because it could be mistaken for an ellipsis at the end of a sentence. I would apply similar rules as the em dash as in either you have spaces on both sides or none at all. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 01:48, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Hm, well I wouldn't do that because it could be mistaken for an ellipsis at the end of a sentence. I would apply similar rules as the em dash as in either you have spaces on both sides or none at all. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 01:48, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>For now I'm going to leave all dashes and ellipses alone. I'll also go back and revert changes I made to dashes and ellipses in volume 1 in the near future, if it hasn't been done already. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 02:23, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>For now I'm going to leave all dashes and ellipses alone. I'll also go back and revert changes I made to dashes and ellipses in volume 1 in the near future, if it hasn't been done already. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 02:23, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Sorry bringing this up again, but [http://www.whiners.pro/2012/03/ellipses-in-fansubbing/ here's] most of my personal reasoning for my usage of ellipses. Ellipses for partial quotations is nearly completely absent in light novels, so the main purpose they serve is as a pause within lines of speech. Hence, my choice to represent that pause in a way that would as obvious as possible, for it to not be skipped over (quite honestly, ". . ." just looks ridiculous in a conversation).<br />As for differentiating ellipses within and at the end of sentences, I merely use adjust the capitalisation of the word after the ellipsis (... A / ... a). Frankly, I've never seen anyone use a period after an ellipsis to represent a sentence trailing off in speech.<br />Either way, thanks for your edits. My grammar tends to be all over the place at times. --[[User:Tap|Tap]] 10:02, 10 July 2012 (CDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Tap http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User_talk:Aozf05&diff=167369&oldid=prev Aozf05 at 07:23, 7 July 2012 2012-07-07T07:23:24Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 07:23, 7 July 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l29">Line 29:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 29:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Hm, well I wouldn't do that because it could be mistaken for an ellipsis at the end of a sentence. I would apply similar rules as the em dash as in either you have spaces on both sides or none at all. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 01:48, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Hm, well I wouldn't do that because it could be mistaken for an ellipsis at the end of a sentence. I would apply similar rules as the em dash as in either you have spaces on both sides or none at all. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 01:48, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">For now I'm going to leave all dashes and ellipses alone. I'll also go back and revert changes I made to dashes and ellipses in volume 1 in the near future, if it hasn't been done already. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 02:23, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Aozf05 http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User_talk:Aozf05&diff=167364&oldid=prev Aozf05 at 06:48, 7 July 2012 2012-07-07T06:48:40Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 06:48, 7 July 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l27">Line 27:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 27:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What I've seen is a space between elipsis and B for the A...B in case of non-stuttering. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 01:43, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What I've seen is a space between elipsis and B for the A...B in case of non-stuttering. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 01:43, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Hm, well I wouldn't do that because it could be mistaken for an ellipsis at the end of a sentence. I would apply similar rules as the em dash as in either you have spaces on both sides or none at all. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 01:48, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Aozf05 http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User_talk:Aozf05&diff=167361&oldid=prev Zero2001 at 06:44, 7 July 2012 2012-07-07T06:44:21Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 06:44, 7 July 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l26">Line 26:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 26:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>When used parenthetically, the dashes can be used like Zero's first example, but when they occur by themselves, I usually see A B—C. Also, for ellipses, I may have messed up a little. I think it depends on preference whether they have spaces around them or not, but I generally see ...A, A...B, or A.... If a sentence ends in an ellipsis, you have to add a fourth full-stop because the ellipsis is three full-stops and then the end of the sentence is marked with another full-stop. I don't know if you want to go through every light novel to fix that though. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 00:10, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>When used parenthetically, the dashes can be used like Zero's first example, but when they occur by themselves, I usually see A B—C. Also, for ellipses, I may have messed up a little. I think it depends on preference whether they have spaces around them or not, but I generally see ...A, A...B, or A.... If a sentence ends in an ellipsis, you have to add a fourth full-stop because the ellipsis is three full-stops and then the end of the sentence is marked with another full-stop. I don't know if you want to go through every light novel to fix that though. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 00:10, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What I've seen is a space for the A...B in case of non-stuttering. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 01:43, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What I've seen is a space <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">between elipsis and B </ins>for the A...B in case of non-stuttering. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 01:43, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td></tr> </table>

Zero2001 http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User_talk:Aozf05&diff=167360&oldid=prev Zero2001 at 06:43, 7 July 2012 2012-07-07T06:43:23Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 06:43, 7 July 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l25">Line 25:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 25:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>When used parenthetically, the dashes can be used like Zero's first example, but when they occur by themselves, I usually see A B—C. Also, for ellipses, I may have messed up a little. I think it depends on preference whether they have spaces around them or not, but I generally see ...A, A...B, or A.... If a sentence ends in an ellipsis, you have to add a fourth full-stop because the ellipsis is three full-stops and then the end of the sentence is marked with another full-stop. I don't know if you want to go through every light novel to fix that though. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 00:10, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>When used parenthetically, the dashes can be used like Zero's first example, but when they occur by themselves, I usually see A B—C. Also, for ellipses, I may have messed up a little. I think it depends on preference whether they have spaces around them or not, but I generally see ...A, A...B, or A.... If a sentence ends in an ellipsis, you have to add a fourth full-stop because the ellipsis is three full-stops and then the end of the sentence is marked with another full-stop. I don't know if you want to go through every light novel to fix that though. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 00:10, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">What I've seen is a space for the A...B in case of non-stuttering. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 01:43, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</ins></div></td></tr>  </table>

Zero2001 http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User_talk:Aozf05&diff=167347&oldid=prev Aozf05 at 05:10, 7 July 2012 2012-07-07T05:10:38Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 05:10, 7 July 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l23">Line 23:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 23:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Yes there is '''always''' a space after commas and fullstops. It's an ironclad rule. Note: Ellipsis(...) have slightly different rules in certain circumstances (like in the very beginning of a paragraph, etc). Don't mix them up with full-stops. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 18:12, 5 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Yes there is '''always''' a space after commas and fullstops. It's an ironclad rule. Note: Ellipsis(...) have slightly different rules in certain circumstances (like in the very beginning of a paragraph, etc). Don't mix them up with full-stops. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 18:12, 5 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">When used parenthetically, the dashes can be used like Zero's first example, but when they occur by themselves, I usually see A B—C. Also, for ellipses, I may have messed up a little. I think it depends on preference whether they have spaces around them or not, but I generally see ...A, A...B, or A.... If a sentence ends in an ellipsis, you have to add a fourth full-stop because the ellipsis is three full-stops and then the end of the sentence is marked with another full-stop. I don't know if you want to go through every light novel to fix that though. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 00:10, 7 July 2012 (CDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Aozf05 http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User_talk:Aozf05&diff=167075&oldid=prev Zero2001 at 23:12, 5 July 2012 2012-07-05T23:12:02Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 23:12, 5 July 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l21">Line 21:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 21:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Isn't there always a space after a full stop? [[User:Vaelis|Vaelis]] 12:28, 5 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Isn't there always a space after a full stop? [[User:Vaelis|Vaelis]] 12:28, 5 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Yes there is '''always''' a space after commas and fullstops. It's an ironclad rule. Note: Ellipsis(...) have slightly different rules in certain circumstances (like in the very beginning of a paragraph, etc). Don't mix them up with full-stops. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 18:12, 5 July 2012 (CDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Zero2001 http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User_talk:Aozf05&diff=167036&oldid=prev Vaelis at 17:28, 5 July 2012 2012-07-05T17:28:14Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 17:28, 5 July 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l19">Line 19:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 19:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Btw, I personally go with A—B—C for em dashes in sentences, A— B for sentences ending with a pause mid-paragraph (looks better than A—. B, personally), and the 2nd and 4th mentioned by Zero.<br />Ex. "nothing. —I trusted him. The", "nothing—I trusted him—the", "nothing— I trusted him. The" for start, middle and end of a sentence.<br />For ellipses, I go with spaces after every one if it's at the end or middle of a sentence, spaces before if it's at the start of one.<br />And Vaelis, I doubt you'll see this, but wouldn't putting no spaces in every situation result in something like "He saw me.—I gasped and turned to run." if it's used after a period in the original (JP) text? Looks really awkward, if you ask me... --[[User:Tap|Tap]] 07:46, 4 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Btw, I personally go with A—B—C for em dashes in sentences, A— B for sentences ending with a pause mid-paragraph (looks better than A—. B, personally), and the 2nd and 4th mentioned by Zero.<br />Ex. "nothing. —I trusted him. The", "nothing—I trusted him—the", "nothing— I trusted him. The" for start, middle and end of a sentence.<br />For ellipses, I go with spaces after every one if it's at the end or middle of a sentence, spaces before if it's at the start of one.<br />And Vaelis, I doubt you'll see this, but wouldn't putting no spaces in every situation result in something like "He saw me.—I gasped and turned to run." if it's used after a period in the original (JP) text? Looks really awkward, if you ask me... --[[User:Tap|Tap]] 07:46, 4 July 2012 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Isn't there always a space after a full stop? [[User:Vaelis|Vaelis]] 12:28, 5 July 2012 (CDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

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