Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:12 pm
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You could also use Tanabata event as another example. Actually, "paradoxes" like this are the reason I don't take time-travel stuff seriously.HolyCow wrote:Talking about infinite loops:
Let's say that you managed to build a time machine at the age of 17. You decide to take the time machine 30 years into the future, where you find a very cool watch lying on the table. without thinking, you grab it, and return to the present. 30 years later, you are the proud owner of the special watch, when one day it suddenly goes missing.
You suddenly remember that you stole the watch from your future self at the age of 17, and now the watch has been stolen by your past self (Read: you are supposed to lose the watch 30 years later). This raises an interesting question: Where did the watch come from in the first place?
Multiple Universe theory.HolyCow wrote:Talking about infinite loops:
Let's say that you managed to build a time machine at the age of 17. You decide to take the time machine 30 years into the future, where you find a very cool watch lying on the table. without thinking, you grab it, and return to the present. 30 years later, you are the proud owner of the special watch, when one day it suddenly goes missing.
You suddenly remember that you stole the watch from your future self at the age of 17, and now the watch has been stolen by your past self (Read: you are supposed to lose the watch 30 years later). This raises an interesting question: Where did the watch come from in the first place?
This also rises another question: how old is this watch? Cuz every time it's lost and found it is 30 years older, and eventually it will simply turn to dust! What will you find then?HolyCow wrote:Talking about infinite loops:
Let's say that you managed to build a time machine at the age of 17. You decide to take the time machine 30 years into the future, where you find a very cool watch lying on the table. without thinking, you grab it, and return to the present. 30 years later, you are the proud owner of the special watch, when one day it suddenly goes missing.
You suddenly remember that you stole the watch from your future self at the age of 17, and now the watch has been stolen by your past self (Read: you are supposed to lose the watch 30 years later). This raises an interesting question: Where did the watch come from in the first place?
But no one bought the watch. I stole it from my future self, who stole it from his future self.... It's an infinite loopFlorin wrote:HolyCow: simple really, it had to be obtained by trivial means (bought, presented, etc.) in the first place, loops or not.
No, not really. It must at least have a beginning. If no one bought the watch in the first place, it never existed at all, and this loop is not possible.HolyCow wrote:But no one bought the watch. I stole it from my future self, who stole it from his future self.... It's an infinite loopFlorin wrote:HolyCow: simple really, it had to be obtained by trivial means (bought, presented, etc.) in the first place, loops or not.
Well, no, every time the theft is possible, reality splits in two: one where watch have been stolen, and another one where it haven't. Or maybe they were separate exact realities from the beginning, but that doesn't really matter cause there is no way to tell them apart before the moment of the possibility of the theft anyway. And this thing happens every time something is possible, no matter how small possibility is, to the extent of your future self popping out of nowere right in front of you just as you are reading this, kicking you in the head, stealing your watch and disappearing again xDFlorin wrote:Actually, with oni's theory, there's no guarantee that any of the thefts would be successful. Since it's different universe every time, things go different way every time.
P.S. I've opened special topic for time-travel discussion for those interested.