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Re: C&D letter from Hachette Book Group

Postby Teh_ping » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:40 pm

Well, I dont hate them for licensing it, but it feels kinda sad. Aint the end of the world though.

So, let me confirm this, the series affected now are Haruhi, S&W, ZnT and Shana? If there isn't any other series to be licensed, I'll probably jump to Index.
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Re: C&D letter from Hachette Book Group

Postby thelastguardian » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:46 pm

ShadowZeroHeart wrote:
thelastguardian wrote:soft copies and hard copies are very different things...


I am assuming that if you translated a book, you must have the original book with you. So in a sense, you paid the original copyright holder already. As long as you don't distribute its derivative work to the public, what you do with the work is your own business.

Derivative works for personal use are allowed by law, as far as I know. I am not a lawyer, so don't take my words for it.
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Re: C&D letter from Hachette Book Group

Postby Teh_ping » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:47 pm

K, that's all that's licensed right? The only worry that I have for companies to license them is that they would release the series rather slowly.
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Re: C&D letter from Hachette Book Group

Postby ShadowZeroHeart » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:51 pm

thelastguardian wrote:
ShadowZeroHeart wrote:soft copies and hard copies are very different things...


I am assuming that if you translated it, you must have the original books with you. So in a sense, you paid the copyright holder already. As long as you don't distribute its derivative work to the public, what you do with the work is your own business.

Derivative works for personal use are allowed by law, as far as I know. I am not a lawyer, so don't take my words for it.


Yes i do have the original books, and the difference is, firstly, how do you intend to let them prove if they bought the book? with a receipt? secondly, they might still spread it around, so its best to just say that you wont be sending them around.
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Re: C&D letter from Hachette Book Group

Postby Teh_ping » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:09 am

ShadowZeroHeart wrote:Yes i do have the original books, and the difference is, firstly, how do you intend to let them prove if they bought the book? with a receipt? secondly, they might still spread it around, so its best to just say that you wont be sending them around.


We can't prove it. There's too many sources out there on the internet. It's impractical to show the receipt as evidence that we bought it, and not many people keep receipts.

And even if we have it and show the receipt to them, proving that we bought it ourselves, it shows that we are able to understand the language it is in, which means there's no reason why we should be translating it in the first place.

At this point, nobody's going to believe that we're not sending the scripts around. As long as we already uploaded it, it is already prey to pirates.
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Re: C&D letter from Hachette Book Group

Postby ShadowZeroHeart » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:12 am

Yes, it is prey to pirates, but lets try to get ourselves off the hook, and that B-T wont be the medium to spread them around...
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Re: C&D letter from Hachette Book Group

Postby Teh_ping » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:17 am

Ya, otherwise it wont be just these series that will be down...... God knows what will happen to everyone if this isn't done. Just wondering if it is a must to remove ZnT and Shana?
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Re: C&D letter from Hachette Book Group

Postby Kinny Riddle » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:01 am

Wait a moment, these guys may own the distribution copyrights of the Haruhi novels, but surely they don't own fan-derivative works? Especially the once popular GenderBending project.

You may have taken Yuki away from us, but you will not take Kyonko! :twisted:

Oni, at least get that brief fan project back up, just for laughs even if it won't be updated anymore. :mrgreen:
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Re: C&D letter from Hachette Book Group

Postby ShadowZeroHeart » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:39 am

Kinny Riddle wrote:Wait a moment, these guys may own the distribution copyrights of the Haruhi novels, but surely they don't own fan-derivative works? Especially the once popular GenderBending project.

You may have taken Yuki away from us, but you will not take Kyonko! :twisted:

Oni, at least get that brief fan project back up, just for laughs even if it won't be updated anymore. :mrgreen:


If i recall... the genderbend was to prevent this issue... but i am not sure whether it is effective to begin with... so tlg makes the last call on this i believe.

P.S. if they licensed some volumes, but never got to publishing them, then what happens?
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Re: C&D letter from Hachette Book Group

Postby Beware the talking cat » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:14 am

Kinny Riddle wrote:Wait a moment, these guys may own the distribution copyrights of the Haruhi novels, but surely they don't own fan-derivative works? Especially the once popular GenderBending project.

You may have taken Yuki away from us, but you will not take Kyonko! :twisted:

Oni, at least get that brief fan project back up, just for laughs even if it won't be updated anymore. :mrgreen:


They own enough of it that we can't really distribute it. They couldn't distribute it themselves, because we also own a portion, but we have no real rights of our own to it, since it uses their characters and setting.

Unless you could argue it's a parody, for parody is a protected form of work. And, being that all the genders are reversed, you might just call it a parody.

So it could swing either way, depending on whether or not you want to risk it.
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Re: C&D letter from Hachette Book Group

Postby FNX » Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:18 am

But it is just fanfiction, i guess that is just off limits for them since its user generated content
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Re: C&D letter from Hachette Book Group

Postby Beware the talking cat » Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:30 am

FNX wrote:But it is just fanfiction, i guess that is just off limits for them since its user generated content


In case you didn't know, fanfiction is technically illegal.
Far more illegal when it's adapted nearly line for line from a book.
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Re: C&D letter from Hachette Book Group

Postby FNX » Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:59 am

Beware the talking cat wrote:In case you didn't know, fanfiction is technically illegal.


Ive never heared of it, any base for that? (not that I cant believe you, just asking)
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Re: C&D letter from Hachette Book Group

Postby Darklor » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:59 pm

You can believe it, it is, because (most) fan fiction uses unauthorized the settings and characters of others aka copyrighted work...
Please don't mind my bad english since I'm german.

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Re: C&D letter from Hachette Book Group

Postby onizuka-gto » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:13 pm

Bloody hell. I checked my inbox 2 days ago, seven messages. Nothing that can't wait for the weekends.

Checked this morning, friggging overfilled it with 50 new ones, I get it! I'm here!

I assumed The Big Boss has already removed both Haruhi and Spice & Wolf from the wiki (haven't checked yet, on mobile)

Have yet to speak to the Boss directly, but conclusions are clear,

If you haven't got a copy of the latest scripts, then you are out of luck.

Sorry too slow! *weeps to himself*

Dammit! >_<

Which answers the following, not even I, have access to the scripts, so matter how much you all try to spam my inbox, no I cannot get you a *final* copy.

Two,

All current alternative languages derived from our "fan-contributed-translations" are not affected by this letter, so go forth, be free, keep working! *whip the floor*

All other English projects, such as....erm....others....that are not mentioned in this letter, can also carry on. (Unless the Big Boss mention otherwise) we aren't the big bad pirates of the Seven Seas as always all projects are still subjected to the locking policy unless specified. (By you know what)

Please do not scare yourself, its not the end of the world, be honoured that we made the legal department of this....book group I've never heard off, do their job and earn some money. (Its a tough job market out there you know!)

Three. I ran out of things to say, I'll get back to you all, after I finish clearing out my inbox, contact the Big Boss directly, check on the wiki, finish sitting on the loo, find my way home, (find a perm job?), chase after girls in the club and beat a badger (probably) etc etc etc.
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