Darknemo2000 wrote:Again, it never seemed to be with ZnT or Toradora, in fact I have received few message why i or someone else haven't uploaded volume 14 images yet. The system works fine with the afore mentioned why should it it start being bad with Spice and Wolf out of sudden?
1) Show us the messages you claim to have received.
2) There is no "system" with ZnT/Toradora, it's anarchy. There was no enforcement of the guidelines and nobody bothered to ask before doing whatever they wanted. It continued so long because nobody noticed.
S&W is being "singled out" because I DID notice, and soon enough to try and correct it. Doing it "wrong" just because two other projects do it "wrong" and nobody bothered to stop it is not a valid reason.
Darknemo2000 wrote:Being Spoiled never seemed to be that great concern with either of the novels in fact, people would not look of the volume that is not released yet illustrations at all or if look - be even more eager to see what the heck happens. In Spice and Wolf color chapters are spoilers by themselves as compared to other novels the color novel pages are direct part of the story just like non-color ones.
You speak for yourself but it seems you also claim to speak for everyone. Your singular opinion is worth just that. Since you speak in the past-tense you surely must have at least some evidence of this prior to this discussion? You can't use opinions
now, after the discussion has taken place, to justify a position that relies on the past.
The fact remains that if this were true, both ZnT and Toradora would have attracted more attention. There is no evidence to suggest such a thing is happening or, if it is, the effect is totally negligible. If anything this whole fiasco has drummed up more interest.
Darknemo2000 wrote:Again I look at spoiling as an artificial problem, if illustrations are too far ahead you can chose not to look at them, even looking at color pages you are already spoiling yourself, so for me adding non-color ones there would not make THAT big of difference really.
It's kind of hard to not see images that are on the same page as ones you DO want to look at. There is no segregation and no warning. That is why
fiendmaw suggestion is particularly appealing - it creates that separation.
Darknemo2000 wrote:This all of course is based on experience we are having with Toradora and ZnT. Neither received complains (well about Toradora I am not 100 percent sure as I am not that deeply related to the project, but as far as I know there wasn't) and the only complaints that I received concerning illustrations where why I or other people like Vaelis do not put the latest volume illustrations on.
Again, where are these messages?
Darknemo2000 wrote:Basically the spoiling problem is already there, just on a smaller extent, yes they were meant to be seen but it doesn't change the fact that they are spoilers already so if you are so concerned about this problem you should take out both color and non-color ones to really avoid the spoiling otherwise.
The color illustrations are put there by the publisher. How can something be considered a spoiler if it's put there by the creator? That's like saying a commercial is a spoiler... sorry, but the definition is not malleable to your own ends. If the content creator does it that way it is cannon, and cannon by definition can not be a spoiler.
Things like this, however, are most definitely spoiler-worthy:
http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/image ... 02-303.jpg
Now, to everyone else:
If you agree with fiendmaw's compromise proposal:
fiendmaw wrote:What you can do to please both parties,is to introduce a non-color gallery,to a total of two galleries,but that's too much of a hassle.
Then VOTE NO on this poll. We can amend the proposed change and re-vote to include the compromise.
=Smidge=