Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

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Re: Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

Postby Pryun » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:44 am

What's the translation of the name of the creator of SAO? just wanna clarify.

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Re: Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

Postby Tap » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:51 am

The company?
I believe it's officially Argus on all official goods, isn't it?
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Re: Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

Postby Pryun » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:09 am

just making sure. XD poor memory and too lazy to check.
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Re: Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

Postby Lery » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:33 pm

Yes, it is.

Argus backed SAO, then as Kayaba Akihiko changed it to the Death Game we know, Argus - which had already used a lot of its wealth to create SAO - had financial problems and all the SAO related things were bought by Rectus Progress which then made ALO with this material, while maintaining the SAO servers. At least if I remember well (since I'm also too lazy to check my sayings).
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Re: Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

Postby ilikemeat » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:45 am

As mentioned in the SAO LN thread, 整合騎士 has been written/translated/something-ed as Integrator in vol. 12 in an explaination of the history of the world by Cardinal to Kirito.

I was kinda curious why you guys were calling it Integrity Knights.
(I didn't actually read any of the translations, just saw it in the discussions.)


I just checked a few dictionaries and I can sorta see where the integrity bit comes from, though I think that refers more to engineering integrity, fit and tolerances than moral integrity. Considering their context, I think Knights of Order might be a better fit as their main purpose is to maintain the the societal integrity/order than as some kind of moral compass.



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Re: Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

Postby Pryun » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:40 pm

...because translators are not gods who can read the minds of the author, and don't have future sight to see what the future of a character, his names and meanings etc is. They can only do their best.
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Re: Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

Postby Cryum » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:09 am

Knights of Order sounds a bit bland, and I like the ambiguity of "Integrity" in Integrity Knights. That's just my 2 cents though.
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Re: Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

Postby Lery » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:52 am

I find that "Integrity Knight" has a feeling of "relentlessness" which is pretty cool and it's kindda mysterious at the same time... What may be better than that for such a class ??? :D
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Re: Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

Postby Tap » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:25 am

Well, it's essentially knights who keep things in order.
I got no idea who coined the term, but I'm not bothering to think up of another.
It does work in the sense of "data integrity"... I guess?
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Re: Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

Postby dim1 » Thu May 02, 2013 6:21 am

A question came up with some of the names in the Alicization Arc. I was wondering if I could get it cleared up here. just these two names: Sadre or Satore, and Gorgolosso Baltoh or Golgosso Valto
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Re: Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

Postby Tap » Thu May 02, 2013 4:18 pm

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I went with Gorgolosso Baltoh, but yeah, Valto/Valtoh works just as fine.

As for the other, it's サードレ (Saadore).
I personally used "Sadore", I believe.

There's no official romanization for their names, so yeah...
No one replied with their opinions on the sub-characters. ._.
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Re: Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

Postby Tap » Mon May 20, 2013 6:52 am

Let's settle all of the new names for consistency's sake. Here's a list of stuff with conflicts.
If anyone has any objections or alternate suggestions to any of these, state them.
Otherwise, I (or someone else) will change all mentions to the main suggested name in a week's time.

Format:
SuggestedName (JpName RomanName) [description]
{reasoning}
AltName1, AltName2, etc

Characters:

Spoiler! :
Sadore (サードレ Saadore) [artisan who crafted blacky]
{__dre seems to be usually represented as ドレー rather than ドレ, so I placed more emphasis on the o}
Sadre

Ronye Arabel (ロニエ・アラベル Ronie Araberu) [Kirito's valet]
{author's illustrations during WN period}
Ronie Arabel, Arabell

Tiezé Shtolienen (ティーゼ・シュトリーネン Tiize Shutoriinen) [Eugeo's valet]
{illustrations put as Tiese, but I changed it to a zé for proper pronunciation}
Tiese, Tieze

Sortiliena Serlut | Liena-senpai (ソルティリーナ・セルルト Sorutiriina Seruruto | リナ先輩 Rina senpai) [Kirito's senior]
{illustrations for first name, author mentioned Serlet on Twitter, but that's missing the "ru" part}
Solterina, Soltirina Serlet, Celulute | Rina, Lina

Gorgolosso Baltoh (ゴルゴロッソ・バルトー Gorugorosso Barutoo) [Eugeo's senior]
{based off katakana, b/v randomly decided, it's "トー", so "toh" instead of "to"}
Golgosso Valto

Humbert Zizek (ウンベール・ジーゼック Unbeeru Jiizekku) [Dumbass with one hand]
{I just threw it in Google}
Wanbell Jizek

Raios Antinos (ライオス・アンティノス Raiosu Antinosu) [Dumbass with no hands]
{Based off katakana}
Rainos Antinous


Locations:

Spoiler! :
Underworld / Under World (アンダーワールド) [world created for Project ALICE]
{Under World is technically correct, since they're separate words...}

Sword Mastery Academy (修剣学院)
{Because MSA's somewhat misleading, and btw, does "Master Arts Academy" actually exist? The four mentions of it in v10 were all actually MSA or SMA or ___ in the raws.}
Master Sword Academy


Real World Terms:

Spoiler! :
Soul TransLator(ソウル・トランスレーター)
{its acronym is STL, not ST}
Soul Translator

Rath (ラース)
{written in English alphabet in v11, it's not an acronym, anyway}
RATH

Fluct Light (フラクトライト)
{FLA is shortform for Fluct Light Acceleration}
Fluctlight

Light Cube (ライトキューブ)
{matching the rest}
Lightcube

Artificial Labile Intelligent Cybernated Existence (A.L.I.C.E) (edited due to Twitter)
(it's currently "Cybernetic" for some reason, despite it being "Cybernated" in katakana)


Underworld Terms:

Spoiler! :
Life (天命) [HP in Underworld]

Transgression Quotient (違反指数) [chance of Human Units breaking a law]
Taboo Breaking Index

Sacred, Divine Instrument, Tool (神器)
{Am I the only who find "instrument" extremely odd?
Final Fantasy 11 used the same term and they translated it to "Mythic Weapons", but we're using the term for clock towers and stuff here.
Maybe something in a similar vein?}

Art Ritual (術式) [The chant spoken to use sacred/dark arts, or the text involved in said chant]
{I do want a better term for this. "art ritual" sounds awkward.}

Luminous Element (光素)
Umbra Element (闇素)
Cryogenic Element (凍素)
Thermal Element (熱素)
Aerial Element (風素)
{Should these remain as these names, with formatting changed when they're said in English?
These were used as furigana in the web novel once, outside of the English sacred art lines.
But the novel edition has them with furigana in hiragana, read as it would in Japanese}

Sun God Solus (陽神ソルス)
Land Goddess Terraria (地神テラリア) {revealed to be female in v12}
Darkness God Vector (闇神ベクタ) {keeping consistent with the two above}
Goddess of Creation Stacia (創世の神ステイシア) {revealed to be female in v12 + "of" to account for the difference of "の (no)"}
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Re: Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

Postby Pryun » Mon May 20, 2013 7:01 am

Looks good, no disagreements here.

oh, except an uncertainty for solterina: what was it the author himself suggested? (I have poor memory...)
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Re: Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

Postby Tap » Mon May 20, 2013 7:17 am

Tap wrote:Sortiliena Serlut | Liena-senpai (ソルティリーナ・セルルト Sorutiriina Seruruto | リナ先輩 Rina senpai) [Kirito's senior]
{illustrations for first name, author mentioned Serlet on Twitter, but that's missing the "ru" part}
Solterina, Soltirina Serlet, Celulute | Rina, Lina


Yeah...
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Re: Sword Art Online - Names and Terminology

Postby Pryun » Mon May 20, 2013 7:22 am

Apparently I have bad eyesight too.(ok, really, I just read the names at the top without reading the explanation in the middle...mah bad.)
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