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A real life Kirito?

Postby Balderdash » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:23 pm

So we've all seen the crazy stuff that Kirito is supposed to be able to do with a sword, even going so far as to deflect bullets in mid air, and we all know that's going over the top. After all, that's completely impossible, right? ... Or is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzhs1Z8Rwnk

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Re: A real life Kirito?

Postby eduardogranja » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:59 am

I already knew about this guy, and being able to do what he does is amazing, but it's not even close to Kirito's speed.

You see, one of the aspects that define the damage of a weapon is the speed of the bullet. The best kind of BB Gun out there shoots bullets at a speed that goes from 114m/s to 140m/s. A Hecate II, in retrospect, shoot a bullet at 825m/s. Considering the distance, it's safe to say the bullet doesn't slow down much.

Kirito is unnatural, but this guy is the closest one can get to his reaction time, indeed
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Re: A real life Kirito?

Postby Cryum » Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:56 am

eduardogranja wrote:I already knew about this guy, and being able to do what he does is amazing, but it's not even close to Kirito's speed.

You see, one of the aspects that define the damage of a weapon is the speed of the bullet. The best kind of BB Gun out there shoots bullets at a speed that goes from 114m/s to 140m/s. A Hecate II, in retrospect, shoot a bullet at 825m/s. Considering the distance, it's safe to say the bullet doesn't slow down much.

Kirito is unnatural, but this guy is the closest one can get to his reaction time, indeed


It's important to note that reaction time isn't the only factor in play; Predicting where the shot will go and seeing the various "tells" of the shooter is crucial in areas where reaction time fails us.
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Re: A real life Kirito?

Postby mythu » Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:55 am

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That's a fine notice Balderdash!
Yet..Kirito just like any other being will always remain unique.
The surprising fact IMO, allmost nothing is impossible in the novel resembling somewhat a true alternate future reality comparable with nowaday's potential existences.
Even more astounding may be that we all have an equal chance to achieve Kirigaya Kazuto's level of personality or even exceed his
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Re: A real life Kirito?

Postby ArchmageXin » Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:15 am

Um, there is also the state of mind. This guy can get ready to try to stop a low velocity bullet. Doing it in the middle of a gun fight might be a completely different story.

Especially since he don't have a gap closer :lol:
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Re: A real life Kirito?

Postby eduardogranja » Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:24 pm

mythu wrote:The surprising fact IMO, allmost nothing is impossible in the novel resembling somewhat a true alternate future reality comparable with nowaday's potential existences.

I'd say that it's not like almost nothing is impossible in the novels. It's more like nothing is impossible in the virtual world. Inside the world created by the Amusphere, one's physical limitations can be ignored, with our minds being the only thing that matters. Without the limitation of our own bodies, a lot of impossible things suddenly becames achievable
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Re: A real life Kirito?

Postby Cryum » Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:00 am

eduardogranja wrote:
mythu wrote:The surprising fact IMO, allmost nothing is impossible in the novel resembling somewhat a true alternate future reality comparable with nowaday's potential existences.

I'd say that it's not like almost nothing is impossible in the novels. It's more like nothing is impossible in the virtual world. Inside the world created by the Amusphere, one's physical limitations can be ignored, with our minds being the only thing that matters. Without the limitation of our own bodies, a lot of impossible things suddenly becames achievable


That's not technically true. When you enter a virtual reality you need to follow the rules it has set in place(unless you're a GM/local God). You trade the limitations of your physical body for the limitations of your virtual avatar, which are usually far less to allow a sense of freedom. A world without rules is a world with complete freedom, but also one devoid of meaning.
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Re: A real life Kirito?

Postby mythu » Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:47 am

Yeah, even now we are ignorant of the rules of existence. To break one would slowly lead us to a certain non-existence. When "allmost nothing is impossible in this novel" I was reffering to (our) necessities. So I am lending us a hand to further the creation of the (im)possible to adjust with our necessities.
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Re: A real life Kirito?

Postby eduardogranja » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:09 pm

Cryum wrote:
eduardogranja wrote:I'd say that it's not like almost nothing is impossible in the novels. It's more like nothing is impossible in the virtual world. Inside the world created by the Amusphere, one's physical limitations can be ignored, with our minds being the only thing that matters. Without the limitation of our own bodies, a lot of impossible things suddenly becames achievable


That's not technically true. When you enter a virtual reality you need to follow the rules it has set in place(unless you're a GM/local God). You trade the limitations of your physical body for the limitations of your virtual avatar, which are usually far less to allow a sense of freedom. A world without rules is a world with complete freedom, but also one devoid of meaning.

Well, yes. What i'm talking about are limitations such as hunger and stamina. In a VRMMO, one is, if the system allows, as fast as his mind can process things. I'm not saying there is complete freedom. Just the freedom of having a body that does not feel tired, hungry or hurt
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Re: A real life Kirito?

Postby gn_x00 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:36 am

well, in a sense, you also get more freedom than real world in some cases.
your strength/agility/etc is based on the stat, so you can actually move faster than in real world

but I think it's still limited to your own mind. maybe something like: you have a super fast car, and yet you can't drive it well = useless
I guess if there's some low level player that try to log in into a high level player char in SAO/ALO, then he/she still won't be able to control it well (and in the end the speed of the avatar won't be used in its full potential)
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Re: A real life Kirito?

Postby iTomas » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:56 am

I am slightly amused by the fact that the people replying in this chat is hardly impressed by this guy.

Honestly I didn't think it was possible and remain a little sceptic after seeing the youtube clip.

Concerning your post GN_x00

I'm not quite sure how that would actually play out. Have you ever had a dream where you were so much faster than in real life? I think VRMMO's should be closely related to system controlled dreams. Considering the fact that I haven't been significantly faster in a dream than I have been in real life. Strength is another thing because that's relative, but moving something of your virtual body in a manner that is so much faster than in real life seems impossible. Perhaps system assist is the solution there :).
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Re: A real life Kirito?

Postby crd2091 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:22 am

iTomas wrote:I am slightly amused by the fact that the people replying in this chat is hardly impressed by this guy.

Honestly I didn't think it was possible and remain a little sceptic after seeing the youtube clip.

Concerning your post GN_x00

I'm not quite sure how that would actually play out. Have you ever had a dream where you were so much faster than in real life? I think VRMMO's should be closely related to system controlled dreams. Considering the fact that I haven't been significantly faster in a dream than I have been in real life. Strength is another thing because that's relative, but moving something of your virtual body in a manner that is so much faster than in real life seems impossible. Perhaps system assist is the solution there :).



But also remember kirito Has two sword in SAO and this guy only use one
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Re: A real life Kirito?

Postby AKAAkira » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:04 pm

Consider this.

In a virtual world, there's first the consideration of physical capabilities, which has a simple solution: a high STR stat.In Kirito and Sinon's duel at the end of V5, Kirito could move as soon as his bullet hit the ground, and Sinon had to take perhaps 0.2 seconds to move her finger through the entirety of the trigger before the bullet fired. Because of GGO's mechanics, if a sniper had focused hard enough the bullet would've gone exactly where Kirito knows she's aiming. Kirito mostly had to put the blade there - and remember, his sword is a photon sword, so no matter what angle, it'll cut.

In the real world, Japanese swords weigh maybe a kilogram and this guy held it in one hand. The swordsman in the video could only move as soon as the gunner fired, and he had to pull the sword out of its sheath first. The target is a tiny BB ball and could easily shift trajectory the few millimetres that matter by wind or spin, not to mention a BB gun isn't exactly a sniper with a scope. He also just put the blade there and let the BB gun's velocity do the trick, but in this case his blade had less margin of error allowed - ten degrees too high or low, and the BB ball would simply bounce off instead of being sliced.

I'm not quite saying Kirito's reaction time is worse than this guy - he was the best out of 10000 in SAO, after all, and that's gotta count for something. But in terms of showing, I'd say this samurai has Kirito beat.
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Re: A real life Kirito?

Postby FaintSmile » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:07 am

Agree ^^
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