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Re: Campione! - Terminology, Editing and Translation Issues

Postby Kadi » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:48 am

zzhk wrote:Judging from the cover of the author's newest series, Leviathan of the Covenant:
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It looks like the preferred spelling of the author's name is Takeduki Joe.
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Edit: Oh, this is the Terminology thread. ... ... ... I hate Du for づ, but this is just that, personal preference. However, who's gonna stop us from doing what we want? Takedzuki Joe, anyone? No more Jou-chan, but I guess it can't be helped. I'll have to write it in kana then... ジョウちゃん!
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Re: Campione! - Terminology, Editing and Translation Issues

Postby veritatis cupitor » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:41 am

won't there be any commas in between the names of elements?
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Re: Campione! - Terminology, Editing and Translation Issues

Postby Hiyono » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:03 am

The lack of commas is but one of many grammatical errors in that text you've just quoted. I doubt it was a conscious decision.
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Re: Campione! - Terminology, Editing and Translation Issues

Postby veritatis cupitor » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:10 am

does the narration (not conversation) of the story always happen in past tense?
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Re: Campione! - Terminology, Editing and Translation Issues

Postby Kadi » Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:50 am

They don't have as many tenses as we do, and/or aren't as strict about it (although there are still more than in Chinese, which zzhk translates from). However, we decided to keep the narrative in past tense in English. As with many other things *coughMikocough*, translating tenses 1:1 doesn't work.
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Re: Campione! - Terminology, Editing and Translation Issues

Postby zzhk » Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:20 am

So Jou vs Joe aside, do we fix Taketsuki (which is clearly wrong due to the づ), to Takedzuki (which will be in line with Kuhoudzuka) or Takeduki (as he spells it on the cover of his other series)?

Should be a relatively simple decision for Kadi, but it needs to be made.
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Re: Campione! - Terminology, Editing and Translation Issues

Postby Kadi » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:19 am

Personally, I favor Takedzuki. Just the d is just... mehhh. Don't make me think about this any longer!
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Re: Campione! - Terminology, Editing and Translation Issues

Postby zzhk » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:35 pm

If it helps, I agree with "dzu."

On a separate note, is there any need to change Volume 3's title to something like "The Opening Tale"(or first, beginning, etc) to mirror Volume 11's "The Second Tale" since the Japanese title of はじまりの物語 mirrors ふたつめの物語 in format?
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Re: Campione! - Terminology, Editing and Translation Issues

Postby ID not in use » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:00 pm

Could someone please check this passage in Vol 13, chap 4, part 3:

In possession of a fifteen-meter wingspan, the giant divine eagle spread its wings with great intensity of vigor.


I understand what the thrust of the sentence is.

This part in particular:
"...spread its wings with great intensity of vigor"
Is the one that makes no sense to me.
Had it simply said: "...spreads its wings with great intensity. "
That would be fine.

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Re: Campione! - Terminology, Editing and Translation Issues

Postby zzhk » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:06 pm

You're saying you've never heard of the phrase "intensity of vigor"?
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Re: Campione! - Terminology, Editing and Translation Issues

Postby ID not in use » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:12 pm

zzhk wrote:You're saying you've never heard of the phrase "intensity of vigor"?


Correct. Never seen it used that way. Neither, by the way, has any dictionary online.
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Re: Campione! - Terminology, Editing and Translation Issues

Postby denormative » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:38 pm

zzhk wrote:You're saying you've never heard of the phrase "intensity of vigor"?

Normally you'd use something like "...with intense concentration", but intense vigor doesn't sound quite right. Someone can be said to have "great vigor" and or you could do something "...with great vigor", but "intensity" tends to feel that you're concentrating something into a point, but if you're vigorous it's much more of a "focused outwards" feeling.
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Re: Campione! - Terminology, Editing and Translation Issues

Postby florza » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:09 am

ID not in use wrote:
zzhk wrote:You're saying you've never heard of the phrase "intensity of vigor"?


Correct. Never seen it used that way. Neither, by the way, has any dictionary online.


There are expressions like "force of mind", "lightness of spirit" everywhere, and you wouldn't find those in a dictionary either.

"I've never seen it before, so it must be wrong" isn't a very good argument.
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Re: Campione! - Terminology, Editing and Translation Issues

Postby ID not in use » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:04 pm

florza wrote:
There are expressions like "force of mind", "lightness of spirit" everywhere, and you wouldn't find those in a dictionary either.

"I've never seen it before, so it must be wrong" isn't a very good argument.


You're right, it's not, but I think I can point to what is troubling me.

In most dictionaries, Intensity is a synonym for vigor. In some intensity is used as a definition of vigor. So to give you an example according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, Intensity of Vigor, by using the definition of vigor would be: Intensity of intensity of action. Because intensity of action is a given definition for vigor.

You can switch the form, and to me, it makes a bit more sense. Such as vigorously intense, or Intensely vigorous.
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