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Re: Spanish ZNT
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:30 am
by Smidge204
The problem is you stopped reading too soon:
http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index ... te:PREVIEW
Warning: This translation is considered a PREVIEW Script.
Be warned that the degree of translation error may be higher than usual due to the translation speed employed.
This script is classified as a preview due to:
* Machine Translation employed.
* The script was registered to another translator
If machine translation was employed, be warned that the degree of translation error may be higher than usual due to the translation speed employed.
For further information regarding machine preview scripts, please read the Guidelines:
Machine translations
Now unless the translator in question has finally graduated into a real translator, he actually has not been meeting the requirements at all.
=Smidge=
Re: Spanish ZNT
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:42 am
by Vaelis
Smidge204 wrote:The problem is you stopped reading too soon:
What I quoted was the preview tag not the preview template
Smidge204 wrote:Now unless the translator in question has finally graduated into a real translator, he actually has not been meeting the requirements at all.
=Smidge=
What requirement are you talking about?
This one: "2) Script need to be consulted with a Human translator who can conduct a general proofing with the original raws used for it. (in the same language used, if possible )"?
Then I will quote Oni about this point:
onizuka-gto wrote:I suppose what i meant is that we just make sure that the preview script doesn't go out quite so mangled, i mean bablefish in particular can be really really strange when it comes out.
I guess what we need to do for the previews is grab Sushi-Y's summary pf ZNT chapters/volumes with that the English Editors can go thought it and make sure nothing seems out of place.
Re: Spanish ZNT
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:34 am
by Smidge204
Vaelis wrote:What I quoted was the preview tag not the preview template
Which says "Please read Template:PREVIEW for further information."
Vaelis wrote:What requirement are you talking about?
It's not a question of being "out of place" - it's a question of the translation being inaccurate. And again you have stopped reading too early:
Onizuka-GTO wrote:However if it's done by "Atlas" which has been looked over by some of our Editors and translators, it only needs one or two passes, and the accuracy is acceptable.
That's the minimum standard we have to get to, and babblefish the free online translator, is unfortunately quite bad compared to "Atlas".
I do not believe any of the recent additions have been reviewed by translators prior to being posted, and they still need to be labeled as "Preview" because they are machine translations that have not been reviewed. Hence, they are not meeting the requirements.
=Smidge=
Re: Spanish ZNT
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:37 am
by Vaelis
Smidge204 wrote:I do not believe any of the recent additions have been reviewed by translators prior to being posted, and they still need to be labeled as "Preview" because they are machine translations that have not been reviewed. Hence, they are not meeting the requirements.
=Smidge=
So I'm asking again: what's the problem?
They are previews and have a preview tag...
Didn't you read what I quoted?
Personally I give up so you can continue to believe whatever you want.
Re: Spanish ZNT
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:48 am
by Smidge204
Vaelis wrote:So I'm asking again: what's the problem? They are previews and have a preview tag...
They do
not have preview tags. That's the problem.
=Smidge=
Re: Spanish ZNT
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:09 am
by Vaelis
Smidge204 wrote:Vaelis wrote:So I'm asking again: what's the problem? They are previews and have a preview tag...
They do
not have preview tags. That's the problem.
=Smidge=
They have preview tag at the beginning of the chapter... That's enough.
For the "~preview~" on the main page, I asked Onizuka-GTO before removing them. The guideline was done thinking that the "machine translations" would be replace by a "human translations" but it's not the case.
When people see "~preview~" they think it's a partial translation when it's in fact a complete translation with less accuracy -> that's why the "~preview~" were removed from the main page.
When they open the page they can see it's a preview and what it means.
Re: Spanish ZNT
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:29 am
by Smidge204
*sigh*
No. Not all of the sections that are machine translated have the {{template:PREVIEW}} tag in them.
They are unmarked.
=Smidge=
Re: Spanish ZNT
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:36 am
by Vaelis
Smidge204 wrote:No. Not all of the sections that are machine translated have the {{template:PREVIEW}} tag in them.
Ah yes, the tag for vol 4 chapter 2 was missing (and for vol 6 chapter 6 but the preview isn't complete).
Re: Spanish ZNT
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:52 am
by Macko Darlack
sorry (I just read this post), but... was what the quarrel about? I didn't get it...
Re: Spanish ZNT
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:12 am
by Smidge204
Hi, sorry about that.
Basically, portions of ZnT were translated from Japanese to English using computer software. To my knowledge nobody has verified the accuracy of these translations.
Just wanted to make sure you knew this, if you plan on using the English version as the basis for your Spanish translation. Chapters that have a "Preview" banner at the top may not be translated properly.
=Smidge=
Re: Spanish ZNT
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:17 am
by Macko Darlack
jejeje, thx for your advise 
. until now I've read 4 volumes, and they have no errors (well, a bit of mispelling sometimes). now when I translate, I'm gonna check whether it is goor or not, and if possible arrange it. and well, yes, I'm aware of that ~Preview~ banner. let me tell you that I also thought that meant "a portion/part of"... since I know preview is that, guess it also applies for that 
well, thx! c'ya!