Mahouka Character Discussion: Shiba Tatsuya (bunko spoilers)

[sinnershot67]

I thought so too, I remember some line that states that the only reason Tatsuya still refuses to defy the Yotsubas is because it is "too soon." Though I might be wrong (Can anyone tell me the volume/chapter of that part if anyone remembers?) This might also be another factor as to why Miyuki still doesn't turn against the Yotsuba.

[Samael609]

random question,

so in in this world, tatsuya is the only one that can do Disintegration magic ?

No. What makes Tatsuya's disintegration magic is that he's taken it to the extreme level that no one can match him in that aspect.

We can assume that something less effective does existe as said in vol 7:

"Molecular Divider Magic was a secret technique developed by the previous USNA Combat Magicians Commander, Major William Sirius. Unlike magic that weakens the molecular bonds, Molecular Divider Magic is one of the USNA's most classified military secrets!"

However that technique seem to be limited to matter so disintegration have the upper hand since he can destroy anything( matter and magic).
A reason for the terror of the yotsuba's about tatsuya is that they don't have a way to deal whith him i can't see anymay to restrain him appart from killing him, personnally i can think of two way that conduct to the current state :
- The yotsuba's don't understand the potential of tatsuya and use him as a guinea pig for creating artificial magician destroying his urges as a result, in the end they create a "monster" nearly invincible that can obliterate them whitout breaking a sweat and they hide behind miyuki to stay safe.
- The yotsuba's fully understand the potential of tatuya and destroy/seal his urges in order to prevent him of abusing his power but that always make him a tread for them so they try by all mean to make him think low of himself.

The interest of third eye is allowing a long-range targeting of informationnal body, for me the issue about material burst is that he need to have a specific target well defind and relatively small in regard of distance like a droplet from sereral km or a flag, but considering the radius of destruction such targeting is impossible whitout accurate aim. The way i understand tatsuya sense is that : as long as he had 'see' something and identifiate it he can cast on it whitout consideration of distance, like the way he keep an eye on miyuki or now that erika and leo was training or the tracking of the bullets used in the great asian float destruction. It's seem that proximity isn't needed since a video shooting is enought.

And i don't think miyuki will become the next head of the clan since elder kudou is planning to separate tatsuya and miyuki from the yotsuba's in order to limitate the yotsuba's power, an easily way to achieve that is considering the two sibling as a whole new clan on par with the 10 great clan since i think tatsuya is worth a wole clan alone.

[Joko]

[quote="Ehsan"]well there is one thing that's bugging me why do Yotsuba fear tatsuya so much.If it's about that that tatsuya will destory Yotsuba for erasing his emotion from him then i know tatsuya doesn't have any strong emotions like hatred,envy or angry.. :?
so how will he harm Yotsuba if he can't even make himself angry?[/quote]



are you sure Yotsuba fear him ? Who ?

maya ? or everyone in yotsuba house ?



[quote="sinnershot67"]I thought so too, I remember some line that states that the only reason Tatsuya still refuses to defy the Yotsubas is because it is "too soon." Though I might be wrong (Can anyone tell me the volume/chapter of that part if anyone remembers?) This might also be another factor as to why Miyuki still doesn't turn against the Yotsuba.[/quote]

Volume 4 Chapter 8

[quote]"For now, I still don't have enough power. In a head on situation, there is a possibility I could defeat the 'Queen of Night' Yotsuba Maya. My 'Decomposition' has good compatibility as a counter to her 'Night' after all.

But the me as of now, even if I could beat our Aunt, I can't do anything about the Yotsuba. Force of arms alone, the threat of violence alone is not enough. If I displace our Aunt, another worse manipulator would simply show up in her place. At this moment, I can only follow."

Those words weren't so much to convince his sister, as for himself.

As he tried to satisfy himself that way, [/quote]



[quote="Haxton Fale"]@up:
This seems the most likely. He's a natural-born specialist in outer-systematic magic who has problems using the systematic magic (originally he was unable to do so). Of course, that doesn't rule out the possibility that there is another magician able to use disintegration, but it's unlikely they will reach Tatsuya's level of mastery without it being a skill they were born with. After all, Tatsuya also mastered direct manipulation to Eidos.

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ah, i ask this because it seems that everyone in Yotsuba house know his ability. even Sayuri also ask him to do analyze a relic from the Magatama class.

the question is she knows about his Mist Dispersal magic or just basic Disintegration magic ?

[crisisavatar]

Not cheery about the fact the author made it too easy to kill him with what was presented in Untouchable. Really don't want to see that happen, I like the merciful god =p

[kaie08]

ah, i ask this because it seems that everyone in Yotsuba house know his ability. even Sayuri also ask him to do analyze a relic from the Magatama class.

the question is she knows about his Mist Dispersal magic or just basic Disintegration magic ?

Sayuri asked him to use Regrowth not Disintegration as in manually disassemble the piece (no need for full on Decomposition) and try to understand how it works then without losing the relic remake it anew with Regrowth and try again if not learned at the first try

[Rava]

ah, i ask this because it seems that everyone in Yotsuba house know his ability. even Sayuri also ask him to do analyze a relic from the Magatama class.

the question is she knows about his Mist Dispersal magic or just basic Disintegration magic ?

Sayuri asked him to use Regrowth not Disintegration as in manually disassemble the piece (no need for full on Decomposition) and try to understand how it works then without losing the relic remake it anew with Regrowth and try again if not learned at the first try

Tatsuya was warning Sayuri that it couldn't be guaranteed because he would have to Decompose the relic first, and Regrowth might not bring it back with all its qualities intact. If he could use Regrowth on a non-living object to analyze it without using Decomposition on an object first, there would have been no need to first decompose the sniper bullets in Volume 8, because he could just use Regrowth on its own there too.

(Edited for clarity)

[ananda]

What are the limits of Tatsuya's personal restoration ability? We have seen him recover from damaged internal organs from Masaki's attack and from a bullet through the chest from the sniper's attack. When healing Isori, it was also shown that foreign objects left in the body (like shrapnel) is not an issue, the objects will be expelled from the body as it regenerates. Something like impaling him with a long pole may be different, but I guess the portion of the pole left in his body would just be cut off cleanly when he regerates (so cutting the pole in 3).

Is was mentioned that blowing his head off would to it, but has this been mentioned officially anywhere? Otherwise, unless the whole brain is destroyed in the same instant, I suspect the magic would have activated at the instant the first part of the brain is damaged, and he could still recover even if subsequently all of the brain was destroyed.

But how about testing his stamina instead? If he is forced to keep regenerating, eventually he will run out of magic power and be unable to regenerate, right? I think placing him in an environment he cannot survive would be simplest. For example, if we drown him (seal him in a tank full of water or something), he could regenerate to an earlier state, but would just start drowning again immediately.

Any other ways you can think of to kill Tatsuya?

[Haxton Fale]

Such abstract problem calls for Word of God. In other words, we should kindly request one of the translators to write a mail to the author asking for the extent of Tatsuya's power.
Theoretically he can repair any damage done to an entity (body, in this case) within some reasonable time. His personal restriction was 24 or 48 hours, I think, but that's due to pain perception - we don't know how his personal "autocast" magic works. Definitely blasting his head off would do it, but that's all we know - no one (yet) managed to shoot him in the head or decapitate him, and I'm relatively certain that he has countermeasures against his Restoration being automatically activated for naught, ie. when drowning. Plus he should be able to undo nearly any restraints and then simply swim to surface.
It's a completely different matter if you manage to launch him into space. The conditions are so extreme that I doubt there would be a way for him to survive, especially if you keep him locked up in vacuum while in space. There is nothing to use to prolong the life, and no way of escape other than attempted re-entry without a space suit, save for landing pod/craft.

[Samael609]

It's funny do see all the schemes but i highly doubt he will let anything anyone the time do do so. And concerning the analysis of the relic i thing the power require is elemental sight and not décomposition/regrow.

[Ulrick]

Sayuri asked him to use Regrowth not Disintegration as in manually disassemble the piece (no need for full on Decomposition) and try to understand how it works then without losing the relic remake it anew with Regrowth and try again if not learned at the first try

Tatsuya was warning Sayuri that it couldn't be guaranteed because he would have to Decompose the relic first, and Regrowth might not bring it back with all its qualities intact. If he could use Regrowth on a non-living object to analyze it without using Decomposition on an object first, there would have been no need to first decompose the sniper bullets in Volume 8, because he could just use Regrowth on its own there too.

(Edited for clarity)[/quote]

I don't remember Sayuri asking for using Decomposition but more like using Elemental Sight to analyze the relic.

Another thing, Decomposition is said to reduce everything to atomic level, for me, the most possible would be the molecular level.

[joko]

[quote="Ulrick"]
I don't remember Sayuri asking for using Decomposition but more like using Elemental Sight to analyze the relic.

Another thing, Decomposition is said to reduce everything to atomic level, for me, the most possible would be the molecular level.
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new info for me.

so everyone know about his elemental sight........ even sayuri know about it.

i'm asking about his Disintegration. i means he can disintegrate matter to some level. not really to atomic level.

[Samael609]

He can propably disintegrate matter until the atomic level because it is said in vol 7 that he use stronger decomposition to prevent explosivez from fusing. And the only way to do that is to decompose molecules of explosives into atom.

[joko]

[quote="Samael609"]He can propably disintegrate matter until the atomic level because it is said in vol 7 that he use stronger decomposition to prevent explosivez from fusing. And the only way to do that is to decompose molecules of explosives into atom.[/quote]





yeah i mean he can disintegrate something as he like.

broke something >>> some level >>> some level >>> atomic level >>>>> molecular.


depending on the necessity. but it's just my asumption only

[Ulrick]

broke something >>> some level >>> some level >>> atomic level >>>>> molecular.


depending on the necessity. but it's just my asumption only

For exemple: Molecular is like destroying Ice into water or steam (only the tie between molecul are destroyed) , atomic is Ice into 2H et O.

[Gohankuten]

broke something >>> some level >>> some level >>> atomic level >>>>> molecular.


depending on the necessity. but it's just my asumption only

For exemple: Molecular is like destroying Ice into water or steam (only the tie between molecul are destroyed) , atomic is Ice into 2H et O.

No molecular would be breaking it into 2H and and O while atomic would be destroying the elements themselves into some protons, neutrons, and electrons.