Mahouka Character Discussion: Shiba Tatsuya (bunko spoilers)

[Rava]

No, you are building the foundation of your belief on a translation issue. It's like saying "a spirit" has the same meaning as "the spirit of the law." But since I doubt that's going to convince you, I located and checked the raw for the chapter, as the only way your argument has merit is if the word choice that was translated for "spirit" here matches the word choice used for "Spirit Magic" back in Volume 3, Chapter 1. So you would need to look at the raw and see if it says 精霊 (seirei) there, which can be defined as (spirit; soul; ghost). Which it doesn't. It uses 精神 (seishin), which can be defined as (mind; soul; heart; spirit; intention). They have overlap in some English words simply because the English word has multiple definitions. Their meanings are clearly NOT supposed to be one and the same.

That being said, since I had to take the time to go find a raw and compare and I can confirm that the word use is definitely not identical, it's time to go update "spirit" to actually say... mind (given the context) to cut down on this kind of misinterpretation.

I am not saying Mikihiko's magic is exactly the same as Miyuki's and Miya's. Mikihiko's magic is spirit(fairy-like) and Miya's and Miyuki's magic is mind/spirit(human)/soul interference which I explained about in an earlier post. You even proved my point and found the definition being the soul. Mental is a close description but it doesn't convey what the 精神 in 精神干渉魔法(Miya and Miyuki's mind/spirit/soul inteference magic) conceptualises. It relates to one's mental body, the human oul or spiritual body. It also ties into things Miyuki does in the vamp arc where she actually senses Mikihiko's magic because of her affinity for it.

So please do not make any corrections without checking it over with a Japanese tl. This is the reason for my comment about memory being linked to one's spirit it this novel.

Posted response to the TLC thread. Let's not clutter the Tatsuya thread with talk about Miyuki's magic.

[Crystyn]

By using regrowth he could stop anything aside from the place his memories are to revert to a state 24 hours before and completely avoid aging

A thing that bothers me for a while now was his reluctance to let his new magic he made for honoka to be added in his name because he didnt want to let his connection to the yotsuba to become public yet Mayumi doesnt seem to have the resources for that

[Ulrick]

We already discuss about it.

his power was helpless to turn back the clock of life

About the new magic he created for Shizuku, he received the order from Yotsuba Maya to turn down that honor.
Because, if he did the opposite, he would have full access to data from Magic Universities and his identity would be investigated. And his link to the Yotsuba, discovered.

[Rava]

By using regrowth he could stop anything aside from the place his memories are to revert to a state 24 hours before and completely avoid aging

A thing that bothers me for a while now was his reluctance to let his new magic he made for honoka to be added in his name because he didnt want to let his connection to the yotsuba to become public yet Mayumi doesnt seem to have the resources for that

They clarify later in that chapter that he was prohibited from associating his name with Active Air Mine under orders from Maya (a.k.a. the aunt). What he wanted had no bearing on the choice.

[Crystyn]

Because, if he did the opposite, he would have full access to data from Magic Universities and his identity would be investigated. And his link to the Yotsuba, discovered.

thats what bothers me, why do the 10 master clans heirs (Mayumi, Katsuto, Masaki) not have the resources to investigate his heritage? Why would the Saegusa head permit a marriage between them without knowing? Why didnt Tatsuya accept, it would be favourable for the Yatsuba and the Saegusa Clan as well as Tatsuya and Miyuki. He would have backup were Mayuki to have a fallout with Maya, realtions between the clans would improve and the combination of their magic would have great genetic possibilities.

[Ulrick]

The Yotsuba are shreded in secrecy, and Tatsuya is not one of them but only a Guardian and a secret Strategic Class Magician.
The Saegusa are the opposite, they are well known since their birth... Too different.
And the story about a marriage is only a mere speculation. (made by Katsuto)

[NewAgeOfPower]

The Yotsuba are shreded in secrecy, and Tatsuya is not one of them but only a Guardian and a secret Strategic Class Magician.
The Saegusa are the opposite, they are well known since their birth... Too different.
And the story about a marriage is only a mere speculation. (made by Katsuto)

Uncertain if Jumonji would joke about that. Hell, he might be attracted to her himself.

As seen, many of the Elders such as Kudou already know of Tatsuya's true identity.

[Swarz]

@Crystyn, Mayumi is not the heir to the Seagusa clan. She has two elder brothers.

Why would any of them want to investigate Tatsuya's family background, anyway. Just because they are a little bit curious? Besides, it was mentioned, that someone would need national level investigative ability to investigate Tatsuya's background properly. That's also why he didn't submit the new magic he created under his own name. Putting his name on the list means, he'll be thoroughly examined, and investigated by magic university, which has national level investigative power. Doing so will jeopardize his identity.

P.S: Put aside the heirs. Not even Mayumi's father, who is the current head of the Seagusa, was able to find out Tatsuya's identity.

[Breakers]

Gram Demolition isn't a dispel magic. It does not try to nullify the enemy's magic.

It is true dispersal and is impractical for anyone without extremely high Psion counts due to it's Psion draw. It isn't trying to counter the spell, its just blowing apart the structure of the spell apart with a cannonball of Psions. You aren't unweaving the opponent's magic, you are just going to crush it with a tidal wave of your Psions.

Ichijou and Juumonji are pretty strong, but the Yotsubas are just OP- and especially so with Tatsuya.

Gram Demolition is not a secret magic. if what you're saying is true.

that means their Phalanx is easy to destroy. everyone can concentrate to shot him with Psion at one point and destroy their Phalanx. ( Mayumi can use Counter Magic by shooting a small bullet of psion )

yes they can use other magic. but Phalanx is their Best. maybe it's a Plot Hole if they are in Top 3 .
Ichijou or Itsuwa should be in Top 3 because the Juumonji are actually weaker clan and should be under them.

[Azyrion]

Gram Demolition isn't a dispel magic. It does not try to nullify the enemy's magic.

It is true dispersal and is impractical for anyone without extremely high Psion counts due to it's Psion draw. It isn't trying to counter the spell, its just blowing apart the structure of the spell apart with a cannonball of Psions. You aren't unweaving the opponent's magic, you are just going to crush it with a tidal wave of your Psions.

Ichijou and Juumonji are pretty strong, but the Yotsubas are just OP- and especially so with Tatsuya.

Gram Demolition is not a secret magic. if what you're saying is true.

that means their Phalanx is easy to destroy. everyone can concentrate to shot him with Psion at one point and destroy their Phalanx. ( Mayumi can use Counter Magic by shooting a small bullet of psion )

yes they can use other magic. but Phalanx is their Best. maybe it's a Plot Hole if they are in Top 3 .
Ichijou or Itsuwa should be in Top 3 because the Juumonji are actually weaker clan and should be under them.

During the 9SC vol4 ch10 Mayumi explained that Gram Demolition is a known None-Systematic magic but is hardly used cause of the difficulty to learn and the high psion count one must have. So no, it's not a secret magic.

And about Phalanx being easy to destroy:

The Phalanx is not easy to destroy because the barrier constantly rebuild layer over layer of protection walls nearly instantly, if I remember correctly. Which is why if you can't penetrate it all at once even a split second delay would make any effort useless. Especially because of its strong interference strength its difficult to pull of.Which is the reason why when its talked about Gram Demolition vs Phalanx it comes down to a battle of attrition.

[abbad0n]

Sob, no one ever remembers Gram Dispersion...

Although even that would have problems against Phalanx. As Tatsuya himself thought:

Katsuto's magic "Phalanx", as opposed to Tatsuya's original magic "Decomposition", are like natural enemies.
The moment one barrier is pierced through, another takes its place.
It would be endless.
Whilst watching the finals, Tatsuya recalled the unpleasantness of what would be a war of attrition should it come to it......

[Kurumi]

Sob, no one ever remembers Gram Dispersion...

Although even that would have problems against Phalanx. As Tatsuya himself thought:

Katsuto's magic "Phalanx", as opposed to Tatsuya's original magic "Decomposition", are like natural enemies.
The moment one barrier is pierced through, another takes its place.
It would be endless.
Whilst watching the finals, Tatsuya recalled the unpleasantness of what would be a war of attrition should it come to it......

Should Tatsuya use 'Trident' I think that 'Phalanx' would not stand a chance.

[Breakers]

Sob, no one ever remembers Gram Dispersion...

Although even that would have problems against Phalanx. As Tatsuya himself thought:

Katsuto's magic "Phalanx", as opposed to Tatsuya's original magic "Decomposition", are like natural enemies.
The moment one barrier is pierced through, another takes its place.
It would be endless.
Whilst watching the finals, Tatsuya recalled the unpleasantness of what would be a war of attrition should it come to it......

even though i don't really understand Gram Dispersion mechanics, maybe that magic can be used to fight Phalanx.

Should Tatsuya use 'Trident' I think that 'Phalanx' would not stand a chance.

Phalanx is Multilayered Barrier.that being said there are dozen layers barrier. Cast in an instant, refresh continiously.

i'm not saying Tatsuya will lose to them, but he would have a tough times dealing with them.

just like when he fight Lina's Parade. she can spam that magic again and again .

different case if Maya fight Phalanx, they will be skewered in an instant.
and different case if Miyuki fight Parade, Miyuki's AOE magic can easily destroy Parade .

[Kurumi]

Should Tatsuya use 'Trident' I think that 'Phalanx' would not stand a chance.

Phalanx is Multilayered Barrier.that being said there are dozen layers barrier. Cast in an instant, refresh continiously.

i'm not saying Tatsuya will lose to them, but he would have a tough times dealing with them.

just like when he fight Lina's Parade. she can spam that magic again and again .

different case if Maya fight Phalanx, they will be skewered in an instant.
and different case if Miyuki fight Parade, Miyuki's AOE magic can easily destroy Parade .

If I'm not mistaken, Phalanx has only 1 barrier not dozen, the moment a barrier is destroyed it creates another one. 'Trident' casts 3 'Decomposition' magic at the same time so, unless the refresh of 'Phalanx' barriers is faster than the triple 'Decomposition' magic that Tatsuya casts, it stands no chance.

Of course, we'll have to wait for a fight between them to see who's magic is faster.

[Breakers]

If I'm not mistaken, Phalanx has only 1 barrier not dozen, the moment a barrier is destroyed it creates another one. 'Trident' casts 3 'Decomposition' magic at the same time so, unless the refresh of 'Phalanx' barriers is faster than the triple 'Decomposition' magic that Tatsuya casts, it stands no chance.

Of course, we'll have to wait for a fight between them to see who's magic is faster.

so it's a Plot Hole again when the author write Multi layer ?
i don't understand why he call it Multi Layer if it's only has one layer refresh everytime ?

if it's only has one layer then there is no meaning to write Multi Layer ?
what is the meaning of Multi Layer ?