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I doubt that if a BS magician like Miya was unable to extract specific memories, Yotsubas would be able to reach even a similar level of expertise through sheer research, especially considering the level of abstraction this would be operating on, as well as Yotsubas exceptional talent in non-systematic magic.
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Haxton Fale wrote:I doubt that if a BS magician like Miya was unable to extract specific memories, Yotsubas would be able to reach even a similar level of expertise through sheer research, especially considering the level of abstraction this would be operating on, as well as Yotsubas exceptional talent in non-systematic magic.

Miya is probably not a Bs magician since she has not been discarted like tatsuya.
A bs is a magician tht can use one magic the other can (or not) but with overhaul efficient. Tatquya is a bs in certain way but he have 2 special magic and can use non-systemic magic prior to the opération.
About extracting mémories it's not because miya can't that overs cannot for exemple the evil eye user make Hirakawa Chiaki forget him by making her targeting the memory herself, and she can't target a spécific mémories when she was 12, she may have improve since that time.
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Re: Memory Interference

The Yotsuba did not have anyone who could target specific memories in 2062. Tatsuya was rejected over 2 decades later. So someone might have developed the power in the meantime.

Also judging from the scene, Miyuki could have been primed to have a headache and forget a couple minutes every time she thought of Tatsuya as Onii-sama thru magic or hypnosis until she stopped thinking of him that way in self-defense.

Besides, they were at most 5 and 6 and it has been proven that false memories can be implanted into children by manipulative adults, it should have been possible for Miya who obviously will subject those she loves to mental interference magic and performing illegal experiments on them if she thinks it is for their future benefit to find a way of interfering with memories of sibling bonding. After all, she has openly stated that she feels that showing any fondness for Tatsuya would be harmful for Miyuki's future and has actively prevented them from interacting as siblings. Although, I think this was partially due to Miya being jealous that Tatsuya still loved Miyuki but was totally indifferent to her

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RE: BS Magicians and Yotsuba Clan

The Yotsuba Clan did not reject Tatsuya as originally thought for being a BS Magician, they rejected him because his BS magician abilities did not meet their definition of magic. Volume 8 chapter 14:
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"From the time he was born, Tatsuya could use only two types of ‘magic’. Decomposition of Eidos, and reconstruction of Information Bodies. Within the concept of these two categories Tatsuya has devised a variety of techniques he can use, but however far you take them, with just those two, it is impossible to alter Information Bodies as a true magician should."

Her eyes simply stared into nothingness.

"Magic are the techniques which modify Information bodies, and thus change phenomena. However trivial the change is, to be able to make the change at all is magic. But Tatsuya is unable to do that. All he can do is break an Information Body down, and recreate it back in an earlier state. That is not magic in its truest sense. That child, who was born without the talent to use magic in the true sense of the term in altering Information Bodies, is unquestionably a defective magician."


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I'm just wondering if there is any countermeasure for Miyuki's Cocytus magic. :roll: :roll:
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Technically, a countermeasure would be to blow their brains out.

Of course, it's not a HELPFUL option, but hey...
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Maybe by overpowering Miyuki's Zone Interference? I don't know, seems like a tough work to do :lol:
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Ehsan wrote:I'm just wondering if there is any countermeasure for Miyuki's Cocytus magic. :roll: :roll:

After seeing her use it, I believe Lina says she underwent resistance training for it and other similar soul interference magic like it but Miyukis own was ridiculously powerful.
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so in general there is no way to counter Miyuki's Cocytus. :?: :?:
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Ehsan wrote:so in general there is no way to counter Miyuki's Cocytus. :?: :?:


It's not that there's no way to counter Cocytus, it's just very difficult do. If the magician's level is not on par with Miyuki's at the very least, then I highly doubt that it could be countered. If the magician's not on that level then at best, the magician should just hope for a swift, painless "death." :)
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Ehsan wrote:so in general there is no way to counter Miyuki's Cocytus. :?: :?:


I think that one way to counter Miyuki's Cocytus would be "Mist Dispersal" since Tatsuya can decompose the structure of the magic.
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^

That or overpowering her zone interference and gl with that one.
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Assuming he manages to counter the spell before it's complete. IIRC Cocytus is Miyuki's innate skill so she's not using a CAD for that (although I might be terribly wrong), not to mention her nearly insane casting speed.
Would be nice to see an infodump from the author, though. Or at least some sort of clarification regarding various skills. I wonder if any of the translators could ask the author to create an infodump volume or something...
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Remember Tatsuya uses magic instantly, that's one of the "big" family secrets.
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Flash Cast is one thing, and he probably uses it to automate his recovery, but I don't think it's so simple to just go and outright use it, because IIRC someone mentioned "engraving" a spell (which makes me thing it's more of a Magic Crest from Nasuverse). Not that we know any specifics :V
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