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For Tatsuya, it's impossible, he needs to locate so small amount of matter, that is impossible, also, it would mean he is for whom they are looking for, but now they don't know for sure, so he won't use :) Actually, most strategic class can use their magic in different scale, Tatsuya also can use his in smaller scale, but he need's to prepare for it.


Tatsuya's ultimate ability (so far) Material Burst, which enacts Einsteinian conversion, yields a little over 20 kilotons of TNT in energy, or a Hiroshima blast per gram converted. Einsteinian transmutation of a 1kg flag yielded over 1,000 Hiroshimas in energy...

Even if he were able to quickly locate a smaller object, on the scale of .2 or even .02 grams, it would still be equivalent to a small nuclear device. Using material burst on anything weighing more than 10 nanograms is guaranteed suicide within 500 meters. Even 10 nanograms yields over 2 tons of TNT in energy, easily enough to raze multiple city blocks in a wide pattern- and is still pretty close to guaranteed suicide.

At medium-short ranges, it is simply better to apply Mist Dispersal, as Samael said.
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^

Such a legit answer.

Anyways Sashiko is doing 10 11 which is awesome and is what I was hoping would happen ( if we go in order itll be a while til we see that Lina fight ) pretty happy about that. Only thing that could make this decision better is someone else doing 10 12 but thats not really vital.
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Samael609 wrote:On a smaller target he can just use mist dispersal. With his multitarget ability i think mist dispersal can be considered as a medium area spell.


if he can make a small explosion, it will be easier for him to destroy Lina's Parade because he doesn't need to focus on targets. but i think it's don't work against Spirits or Phalanx :D
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Breakers wrote:
Samael609 wrote:On a smaller target he can just use mist dispersal. With his multitarget ability i think mist dispersal can be considered as a medium area spell.


if he can make a small explosion, it will be easier for him to destroy Lina's Parade because he doesn't need to focus on targets. but i think it's don't work against Spirits or Phalanx :D


I think that material burst is stronger than phalanx because, even if it's hight a shield who protect against hight temperature indeed have a limit, it is said that even metal had been vaporize, no mater how strong phalanx is it can defend against that kind of overwelming destructive power.

In fact Tatsuya may have a way to create smaler explosion, it's possible if he can adapt the scall of the decomposition, actually material burst convert the totality of the mater into energy which is far more powerfull than juste a nuclear bomb, because a nuclear bomb use instable mater ( plutonium uranium ....) to triger a chain decomposition and the nuclear material decrese a few point in the periodic table, if Tatsuya use decomposition to achieve a similar effect with mater he can create an exlosion far smaller with a bigger target.
In fact if he can avoid the explosion that kind of spell can become a transmutation spell, converting matter into other matter, for exemple if you decompose lead you can obtain gold.
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Samael609 wrote:
Breakers wrote:
if he can make a small explosion, it will be easier for him to destroy Lina's Parade because he doesn't need to focus on targets. but i think it's don't work against Spirits or Phalanx :D


I think that material burst is stronger than phalanx because, even if it's hight a shield who protect against hight temperature indeed have a limit, it is said that even metal had been vaporize, no mater how strong phalanx is it can defend against that kind of overwelming destructive power.

In fact Tatsuya may have a way to create smaler explosion, it's possible if he can adapt the scall of the decomposition, actually material burst convert the totality of the mater into energy which is far more powerfull than juste a nuclear bomb, because a nuclear bomb use instable mater ( plutonium uranium ....) to triger a chain decomposition and the nuclear material decrese a few point in the periodic table, if Tatsuya use decomposition to achieve a similar effect with mater he can create an exlosion far smaller with a bigger target.
In fact if he can avoid the explosion that kind of spell can become a transmutation spell, converting matter into other matter, for exemple if you decompose lead you can obtain gold.



eh really ? but i think Minori's shield in volume 8 can protect them from Tats MB.
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Breakers wrote:eh really ? but i think Minori's shield in volume 8 can protect them from Tats MB.


Minori ? I don't recall a personne with that name.
The only shield mentionned in vol 8 was from Sakurai Honami, and she use it to protect Tatsuya to the voley from cruiser not MB.
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Samael609 wrote:
Breakers wrote:eh really ? but i think Minori's shield in volume 8 can protect them from Tats MB.


Minori ? I don't recall a personne with that name.
The only shield mentionned in vol 8 was from Sakurai Honami, and she use it to protect Tatsuya to the voley from cruiser not MB.



sorry, my bad my bad.

so it's impossible for Juumonji to erect multiple layers of Phalanx ?
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Breakers wrote:sorry, my bad my bad.

so it's impossible for Juumonji to erect multiple layers of Phalanx ?


Well phanlax is a magic that combine multiple layer but everything no mater how tought it is have a limit, if magic can't block hight speed bullet, i doubt it can withstand a nuclear burst.
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Samael609 wrote:
Breakers wrote:sorry, my bad my bad.

so it's impossible for Juumonji to erect multiple layers of Phalanx ?


Well phanlax is a magic that combine multiple layer but everything no mater how tought it is have a limit, if magic can't block hight speed bullet, i doubt it can withstand a nuclear burst.


Phalanx can't block hight speed bullet ? seems like i've skip some parts of the light novel.
mind if you tell me where do you read this ?
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Breakers wrote:Phalanx can't block hight speed bullet ? seems like i've skip some parts of the light novel.
mind if you tell me where do you read this ?


Vol7 chap 7 wrote:High power rifles were mandatory weapons against Magicians. The explosiveness and flying speed of their rounds were three to four times higher than normal rifles and could even penetrate defensive magic. The surplus in strength could only be produced by highly skillful manufacturing. There was no way the average gangster or terrorist could get their hands on one.


I personnaly think that phalanx can withstand hight powered bullet because of the multi-layer shield, but it is said that :
Vol8 chap 15 wrote:Not even the Phalanx of the Juumonjis, which perfectly combines defense against physical forces with defense against magic, can hold against it (Maya personnal magic). Due to that Maya stands invincible in a fight between magicians, and is regarded as one of the ‘strongest magicians in the world’.


Phalanx isn't ultimate, and i think that MB is stronger than it.
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Samael609 wrote:
Vol7 chap 7 wrote:High power rifles were mandatory weapons against Magicians. The explosiveness and flying speed of their rounds were three to four times higher than normal rifles and could even penetrate defensive magic. The surplus in strength could only be produced by highly skillful manufacturing. There was no way the average gangster or terrorist could get their hands on one.


I personnaly think that phalanx can withstand hight powered bullet because of the multi-layer shield, but it is said that :
Vol8 chap 15 wrote:Not even the Phalanx of the Juumonjis, which perfectly combines defense against physical forces with defense against magic, can hold against it (Maya personnal magic). Due to that Maya stands invincible in a fight between magicians, and is regarded as one of the ‘strongest magicians in the world’.


Phalanx isn't ultimate, and i think that MB is stronger than it.



no no that's because Maya's Meteors Line is Special.


Just as it’s impossible to defend against by magic which shields against physical phenomena, it’s almost impossible to defend against Meteor Line with anti magic. Since it’s mediated via the physical phenomenon called light, preventing it purely via anti magic such as interference over an area is extremely difficult. If one’s interference strength in the single element ‘distribution of light’ cannot exceed Maya’s, ‘Meteor Line’ is unstoppable. As ‘distribution of light’ is Maya’s innate magic, interfering with it is far too high a hurdle. And once the magic has been activated, even if one tries to cause interference in the area of effect, the phenomena rewriting effect that ‘light has moved’ has already taken place.



Phalanx isn't Ultimate when they face Yotsuba Maya. because she use Light and it can penetrate everything that is not 100% transparent.
as long as Maya's light can hit the object, it will vaporized.

Maya is invincible if she fight with Juumonji. but Juumonji can hold Tatsuya decomposition if he keep spamming his phalanx ( i'm not sure if it can block MB or not )
maybe juumonji will choose to fight Tats rather than fight Maya. because they are 100% death if they fight Maya. but they still can run away if fight Tats.
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Breakers wrote:if he can make a small explosion, it will be easier for him to destroy Lina's Parade because he doesn't need to focus on targets. but i think it's don't work against Spirits or Phalanx :D


Samael609 wrote:In fact Tatsuya may have a way to create smaler explosion, it's possible if he can adapt the scall of the decomposition, actually material burst convert the totality of the mater into energy which is far more powerfull than juste a nuclear bomb, because a nuclear bomb use instable mater ( plutonium uranium ....) to triger a chain decomposition and the nuclear material decrese a few point in the periodic table, if Tatsuya use decomposition to achieve a similar effect with mater he can create an exlosion far smaller with a bigger target.


My belief is that if Tatsuya could reduce the scale of of his MB blast to such that he wouldn't blow himself and his surroundings away, it would be ineffective against powerful mages like Lina, Juumonji and even Mayami. I'm sure if given the chance they could all prepare defensive magic strong enough to hold up against small explosions.

Samael609 wrote:In fact if he can avoid the explosion that kind of spell can become a transmutation spell, converting matter into other matter, for exemple if you decompose lead you can obtain gold.
Tatsuya's magic has never been described as converting matter to matter though, only as the ability to break matter down. Is gold is an elemental component of lead?
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Guest2 wrote:
Breakers wrote:if he can make a small explosion, it will be easier for him to destroy Lina's Parade because he doesn't need to focus on targets. but i think it's don't work against Spirits or Phalanx :D



My belief is that if Tatsuya could reduce the scale of of his MB blast to such that he wouldn't blow himself and his surroundings away, it would be ineffective against powerful mages like Lina, Juumonji and even Mayami. I'm sure if given the chance they could all prepare defensive magic strong enough to hold up against small explosions.



Even if he reduce the scale, the destructive power of MB is the same, the heat generated by 1 gram of matter is the same of converting 500 grams of matter. The difference is only on the scale of destruction.
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Tatsuya can use his ability behind target and have himself out of range, that solves suicide.
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Guest2 wrote:Tatsuya's magic has never been described as converting matter to matter though, only as the ability to break matter down. Is gold is an elemental component of lead?


No but if a part of protons of an atome are converted into enrgy or simply separate matter will rearange itself to another element, for exemple if you take 3 protons from lead you obtain gold, in fact you may have to take some neutrons too. Even if it's different we have see that tatsuya can target a part of a whole.

crisisavatar wrote:Tatsuya can use his ability behind target and have himself out of range, that solves suicide.


Apparently for targeting something remotely he have to see it with is bare eyes once (apparently even a shot from a camera is enought), that was true when he use MB when he was 13.

Other things when looking for mahesvara on wikipedia i see that trident and third eye are atribute of shiva mahesvara in the mytology.
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