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Would you like to see cover illustrations on the project page?

Yes.
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No.
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That was something I pointed out first thing yesterday, but I guess it was overlooked.
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Rohan123 wrote:I don't know, but apparently larethian has an idea, so give him some time. -
larethian wrote:I've thought of a way to do this properly, I'll implement it at another date.


Niflheim wrote:That was something I pointed out first thing yesterday, but I guess it was overlooked.

It wasn't. Maybe I didn't make things clear.

1. At the very least, knowing of the solution to this that he has would be far reassuring than leaving us in the dark. Then we'd at least have an idea of what's still needed to solve the problem, as well as how long it'll take.
2. So we're leaving the novel page as it is until he comes up with that idea? I find that unwise to do.
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Sorry Rohan it is either slaming my head into a brickwall or contiune, and I don't have one of thoes present.

I don't see the value in knowing what code related solution larethian came up with that he was content with. We were told the issue was solved and would be implemented at a later date. There are no problems to be solved or any wait for him to figure out a way. All you, me and everyone else had to do was sit tight and simply wait.
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Niflheim wrote:Sorry Rohan it is either slaming my head into a brickwall or contiune, and I don't have one of thoes present.

I don't see the value in knowing what code related solution larethian came up with that he was content with. We were told the issue was solved and would be implemented at a later date. There are no problems to be solved or any wait for him to figure out a way. All you, me and everyone else had to do was sit tight and simply wait.

There is some value. Until we know what solution it is, it'll seem as if there's no solution at all, to everyone here but him. I don't know about you, but that certainly isn't a good thing in my book, because it seems like nothing whatsoever is being/has been done, when something should be.

Until something is actually done, the issue is still unsolved. And until something is done, people are going to be spoiled by having to go to the Illustrations page just to see the covers of the novel volumes, and end up getting an eyeful of illustrations within the volumes.

And right now, which is worse: people at risk of being spoiled by a volume cover (which is unlikely to spoil anything much to begin with), or people clicking on the novel illustrations just to have to see the volume cover, and end up being spoiled by illustrations inside the novel? I think the answer is obvious.
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Talk about arguing for the sake of arguing.
This topic was done and over with almost a month ago. The initial discussion was over within a week where it was stated that it would be reverted when a better solution was found. Issue was resolved. You didnt add anything new that the old discussion didnt cover. So I'm not entierly sure why you wanted to bring this topic back to life. I cant for the love of my life see why this would be your step into the MKnR forum, and more or less pick a fight over a resolved issue. Heck we spent more posts going back and forth over this then what was needed to come to a conclusion on the original issue.
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Niflheim wrote:Talk about arguing for the sake of arguing.
This topic was done and over with almost a month ago. The initial discussion was over within a week where it was stated that it would be reverted when a better solution was found. Issue was resolved. You didnt add anything new that the old discussion didnt cover. So I'm not entierly sure why you wanted to bring this topic back to life. I cant for the love of my life see why this would be your step into the MKnR forum, and more or less pick a fight over a resolved issue. Heck we spent more posts going back and forth over this then what was needed to come to a conclusion on the original issue.

I wouldn't have, but I did have doubts that the issue as it is has been resolved.

My relationship regarding this LN is quite... complicated. I read the first 4 volumes (before I joined BT) before the unfinished volume 5 stopped me, and I didn't touch Mahouka for around half a year. Now I came back to this LN because of the announcement of the upcoming anime adaptation. (Seems like the afterwords of some of the volumes have been left untranslated; mind if I take them if they're still untaken by this December?)

But yeah, I just realised that the argument is pointless since it's OK to add them back (for now at least), because of this post:
larethian wrote:Well I don't want to be a dictator. If everyone wants it back, let it be so (I'm not going to do the work though). I was just trying to think of what's best for the project. Mou shiranai ssu.

My bad. Let's make peace?
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I'm fairly sure you are free to translate what is not picked by another translator in december if that is your desire to do so.
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I want the covers to be put in a separate sub-section that is collapsable (and collapsed by default) rather than beside each volume.
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Niflheim wrote:I'm fairly sure you are free to translate what is not picked by another translator in december if that is your desire to do so.

Sweet.

larethian wrote:I want the covers to be put in a separate sub-section that is collapsable (and collapsed by default) rather than beside each volume.

I still don't get why you insist on hiding the covers, but if you must, then...

I remember some wikis have codes for collapsible spoiler sections, if that helps. In fact, I saw one once on the Chinese Wikipedia before, but it's gone now. Though I don't know how or where to find the codes. Or whether BT has them or not, or if it doesn't, whether they can be implemented.

EDIT: I found what the code was (shown below), but Wikipedia no longer uses spoilers, so it was kind of hard to find.

{{HideH|Spoiler description}}

Spoilered stuff

{{HideF}}


On a side note: I'll say that having covers on the project page has almost become the norm here to many readers on BT. They have been around long before I even knew of BT's existence; many of the LNs here already had them when I first came here. Naturally, you initially wanting to remove them from the project page on grounds of risk of spoilers (a reason I'd call a "wait, what?" reason) have shocked all who take these covers for granted, so please don't take it to heart.
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Dude don't just go an add the covers back on your own. Larethian is the project lead for Mahouka and thus is the only one allowed to put in place the covers. You may not like the way Lar implements it but that is what discussion on this thread is for.
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Hey, pardon my intrusion, regarding the "freaking ugly on widescreen"-problem:

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Oda_Nobuna_no_Yabou_%28Deutsch%29

The lines can be removed, just a stylish tick of mine. Maybe this helps in a way? Well, regarding the spoilers: True for volumes that are ahead of you. Then again, they could spoiler you in a book store as well. Just wanted to drop the link for the code. If you guys do not like it either, it won't offend me. :wink:

EDIT: Ah, regarding the spoilering: Why not put each volume into a separated spoiler, then? Dunno if this reduces loading times on mobiles, though. Or rather, don't know if the items inside a spoiler are loaded with the page or only on expanding the spoiler.
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With all due respect, I think I'm with iamadooddood on this one. We had a vote, and the result is that 80% want to see the covers. Yes you can argue that there are only a few people who voted, but that's how it works, doesn't it? If you care, you vote.

larethian wrote:I want the covers to be put in a separate sub-section that is collapsable (and collapsed by default) rather than beside each volume.


While doing this kind of invalidate the "spoiled because I need to go to illustration page to see the covers" argument, I still disagree that the cover should be hidden. A lot of agruments already discussed about that so I won't repeat it. If we go by the vote result at the moment, what should be done is put the covers back plain and simple. A seperate collapsed-by-default sub-section is a compromise in favor of the minority. Now, I respect larethian's opinion wanting not to see the cover by default and if he insist on doing so I won't object. But for that he will have to execute the right as the project leader.
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Gohan, I think he was making a suggestion and not actually going there and puting it into practice. Could be wrong but thats how it looked to me after larethian said what he wanted to do with it.

While that doesn't look to bad cautr, if it were aligned in the center it would be splendid :)
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hypernova wrote:With all due respect, I think I'm with iamadooddood on this one. We had a vote, and the result is that 80% want to see the covers. Yes you can argue that there are only a few people who voted, but that's how it works, doesn't it? If you care, you vote.


With all due respect (right back at you) I've voted 4 times in it, thats how accurate it is. How I did that? As a guest from multiple computers, and the usual login vote. So I would honestly not take it for more than a hint as to what people wanted. Lets also overlook the like 25 new votes that happend the past 3 days because the thread was bumped up.

Now with that said, like I've said previously, the covers are coming back. You just need to wait for it. No need to go all, I really done know, about it.
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Niflheim wrote:While that doesn't look to bad cautr, if it were aligned in the center it would be splendid :)


What exactly should be centered? If you center both volumes that are getting displayed next to each other, it'd look odd in comparisson to everything else on the page being left-sided, wouldn't it? Anyways, it's just a simple <center> command to center them.

EDIT: Also: The spoiler-function can be edited in a way, which combines my display of volumes (So next to each other, cover near the chapters) and, well, the spoiler-function itself. So you could expand the spoiler with the volume display I use. The bandwith aside I don't see, how this would collide with any of the opinions here. No covers right on start-up, but when you click on the spoiler, it's nice and tidy up there.
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