Cosmic Eagle wrote:Well his interrogations seem to show otherwise. And he did use chemical weapons on Iran. of course he would use them on Israel too, but holding Iranian WMD that could be turned on Iran itself should war break out is rather foolish on the Iranian side.
Who said these guys were wise? They may be wise-guys, but they are certainly not the most intelligent people on the face of the planet.
kira0802 wrote:Well, Iraq and Iran are kinda different nations. Iran is mot of ancient Persia; if I'm not mistaken, while Iraq is from somewhere else. And historically, they fought often against each other. At Saddam's time, Iraq was in a dangerous situation, since it had Iran in the west and Syria in the east, and we all know that they're good friends. However, I don't think Saddam thought of the USA as a imminent threat. Mind you, he has held the keys of the city of Detroit or something like that. We also got to know that GWB had no real proof to attack Iraq, and that's why Canada didn't join the war at that time, well normally it should have (however, liberals were the governing the country, unlike our PM right now who insulted Canada and wanted to make it like the US).
@ainsoph We can continue our argument on Lebanon, Syria and other countries, but just typing that much on my phone is already difficult.
Iraq is ancient Babylon. Historically, Persia took over the Babylonian empire after King Nebuchadnezzar died because he did not leave any heirs. The Bible speaks somewhat extensively on this more or less.
As for Saddam holding the keys to Detroit, the longtime mayor of Detroit was a corrupt !@$@#$, who finally got caught some years ago. Everyone knew he was as a matter of common sense, so Saddam "earning" the keys to Detroit is no surprise. Detroit proper is the butt hole of the universe anyhow, and that is the nice way of saying it.
Concerning Bush not having any evidence, I just say that he was misinformed. The CIA/FBI probably screwed up. That is nothing new.
kira, if you want to continue the debate, I would be happy to do so as well. Perhaps doing it via PM would work best?
Poke2201 wrote:Kira, I think Iran is in the East and Syria is in the west.
Also one question, did NATO attack Iraq or just Afganistan?
When are talking about? NATO attacked both, I do believe. NATO attacked Iraq back in the 70s when Saddam was first put into power and Afghanistan in more recent history.
kira0802 wrote:Poke2201 wrote:Kira, I think Iran is in the East and Syria is in the West.
Sorry, typed too fast. Iran in the East, Syria in the west, and I think Turkey in the north.
Also one question, did NATO attack Iraq or just Afganistan?
I don't know. However, I don't think many countries participate in Iraq as much as in Afghanistan. So I guess that NATO is only in Afghanistan...and Libya.
Turkey is in the north, correct. Turkey is becoming increasingly more important as a force as of late and not just militarily speaking. Why? Turkey's bid to join the EU would constitute a major demographic shift in the EU. Right now, many European nations are griping, and rightfully so, about the Muslims taking over Europe by breeding like litters of dogs to make a democratic shift in their nations. In other words, Muslims are becoming the majority in Europe. This just happened to England a few months back. Islam is now the majority religion there and will soon take over Parliament. This would not be a problem, except for the fact that most of these Muslim sit on welfare, do not help the nation, whine and complain about how things were better in their old countries, do not try to adapt to their new home countries' cultures, and try to shove Sharia law do the throats of their new home countries. If Turkey joins the EU, this will happen almost overnight. Also, with Turkey's relations with Israel worsening after that ridiculous flotilla incident last year, Turkey has started to prove that it wants to be more like the rest of the Arab world. This has also improved Israel's relations with Greece, Moldova, Crete, and a few other nations though, which shows that Israel is trying to get along more with the EU and its nation-states.
NATO is much more involved on many other fronts than most people realize. In a sense, NATO has superseded its original intent and gone beyond the borders of what it was supposed to be empowered to do. Personally, I am progressively finding NATO to be more of a nuisance than a help to the world because it tends to involve itself in matters like the collapse of regimes and make them worse in the end. (Also, if you NATO as the United States, please understand that I make a big difference between the two.)
ben1234 wrote:I remember NATO sending in people to help train the security forces in Iraq
Another BIG mistake. I see this as another example of the Western world not understanding the consequences of shipping their assumptions, culture, and democracy to other parts of the world where that is not normative. To me, it is irresponsible and just dumb. Democracy does not work worldwide because democracy comes from a certain worldview that is not everyone's worldview. This holds quite true in Arab nations.
kira0802 wrote:Canada isn't in Iraq, ben.
If Canada is part of NATO, and it is, it has troops or aid in Iraq. Last I recall, although most of Canada's troops and aid are no longer in Iraq, there are a few small pocket groups there.