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Re: Anime Culture Shock
Well, Shinbou Akiyuki is a genius.
The funny thing about the talk is that it is not the usual trash talk you hear before a fight most of the time. A lot of the time characters give soliloquies on their life stories, which cause viewers to think, "We do NOT care!"
The funny thing about the talk is that it is not the usual trash talk you hear before a fight most of the time. A lot of the time characters give soliloquies on their life stories, which cause viewers to think, "We do NOT care!"
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ah, fights with words over fights with fists/weapons/spells.. kinda annoying for Shana final to be like that in recent eps, probably even in previous seasons.. not to mention naruto and bleach, though not as often..
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Re: Anime Culture Shock
There are ways to make characters sympathetic without having them do their life stories in the middle of battle.
A good example of this: Nanoha A's.
I suppose it's important to show that your ideas are more powerful, and brute force isn't all that matters, but... y'know... it can absolutely be done better.
On topic, what one thing shocked you the most when you first saw it?
A good example of this: Nanoha A's.
I suppose it's important to show that your ideas are more powerful, and brute force isn't all that matters, but... y'know... it can absolutely be done better.
On topic, what one thing shocked you the most when you first saw it?
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A certain event from Full Moon o Sagashite. It put me into a three day depression.
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I don't know how it is to other people but to me, the situation plays a bigger role than bare nudity....I mean if it's a mixed bath, drama display or any other similar non-sexual situation where your goal is to bathe/swim/art whatever it won't arouse me.ainsoph9 wrote:YoakeNoHikari wrote: Well, if seeing a naked person of the opposite gender does not give you some sort of sexual arousal, it comes across as seeing/smelling gourmet food and not getting hungry or salivating. (Poor comparison, I know.) Unless you are a monk, this sort of disconnect seems unnatural in a sense. You say that it is the "same physical template basically," but the physical side of things also tends to imply man's carnal desires. If you think about it, humans are sexual creatures. The average man thinks about sex several times per hour, and women are not that much better. Seeing the naked human body probably does not help decrease this count.
I'm not actually sure if that's the norm...
The most extreme example I can think of would be say...a spiritual or art display where the subjects are nude purely to display the basicness of the soul and other such concepts and then if an audience member just things about sex.....that's just him not being able to enjoy something finer and more beautiful than just sex I suppose
Nudity is more than sexuality after all....it has always been that way to me since young so it's kind of a given in my mind. Might be just spiritual difference..
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That whole story is nakige so you're not alone...ainsoph9 wrote:A certain event from Full Moon o Sagashite. It put me into a three day depression.
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Well, it's all entirely situational; however, at it's core, it's just human differences. I mean, if you grow up with a sculptor as a father who portrayed, say, a woman's sexuality in his works, you wouldn't view a woman's body as someone who has only known it as almost a sexual device. Religion and belief ties into this as well, but at it's core, the way it is seen will vary from person to person, since no 2 people will share the same set of beliefs, religion, or upbringing.Cosmic Eagle wrote:I don't know how it is to other people but to me, the situation plays a bigger role than bare nudity....I mean if it's a mixed bath, drama display or any other similar non-sexual situation where your goal is to bathe/swim/art whatever it won't arouse me.
I'm not actually sure if that's the norm...
The most extreme example I can think of would be say...a spiritual or art display where the subjects are nude purely to display the basicness of the soul and other such concepts and then if an audience member just things about sex.....that's just him not being able to enjoy something finer and more beautiful than just sex I suppose
Nudity is more than sexuality after all....it has always been that way to me since young so it's kind of a given in my mind. Might be just spiritual difference..
Now, certainly BOT.....I have nothing, so default to Cosmic's post above mine.
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@ Rednal: most shocking event? hmm.. more like a cliffhanger, but the True End of Da Capo II, as in the last few scenes and some character's appearance.. closely tied though is To Heart 2 Ruuko end..
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Re: Anime Culture Shock
I am necroposting on this topic because I do not want to start another one.
Frankly, there have been some shifts in trends of what is considered popular in anime culturally speaking as of late. One of these is the whole imouto/incest/sis-con/bro-con thing that seems to be coming from LNs/VNs. Obviously, many Westerners find this kind of thing to be culture shock of sorts. What do you think about this? How do you feel about this? Where do you draw the line? Is there a line to begin with for you?
Frankly, there have been some shifts in trends of what is considered popular in anime culturally speaking as of late. One of these is the whole imouto/incest/sis-con/bro-con thing that seems to be coming from LNs/VNs. Obviously, many Westerners find this kind of thing to be culture shock of sorts. What do you think about this? How do you feel about this? Where do you draw the line? Is there a line to begin with for you?
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you noticed it as well?? not too sure on the LN side, but with VNs the trend's been particularly strong since at least '09 (as far back as the majority of my titles take me back)
i found it odd too, but it isn't much of a surprise when you consider that the trend itself feeds on (the wallets of) Type B otaku . i guess the question left for us non-japs is, why exactly does it trigger our jap comrades' fancy? also, there seems to be an unclear line between moe for protag's ane/imouto, and moe for the ane/imouto concept in general. i don't mind the former as long as its properly (note: bare minimum) delivered, but apparently them Type B's extend too much into the latter.
i might be an exception amongst my nation's general populace with their thoughts, convictions, and standards, but imo incest can be a good thing, AS LONG as its in unglorified 2D. 3D manifestations of incestuous romance and marriage are out of the question, and that doesn't even factor in how incest can be a criminal offense in many nations. though, IDEALLY (and this is my very personal opinion), if one were to look only on the evolutionary ultimatum against incest, which could be said as the origin of the social taboo, incestuous lovers ought to be given the chance to belong in society like your typical man and wife, AFTER agreeing to not contribute to the gene pool (some sort of social contract that binds incestuous couples to sterilization as well as being banned from artificial conception methods that might be developed in the near future). then again, no nation and constitution has even come close to such an idea, and probably never will.
i found it odd too, but it isn't much of a surprise when you consider that the trend itself feeds on (the wallets of) Type B otaku . i guess the question left for us non-japs is, why exactly does it trigger our jap comrades' fancy? also, there seems to be an unclear line between moe for protag's ane/imouto, and moe for the ane/imouto concept in general. i don't mind the former as long as its properly (note: bare minimum) delivered, but apparently them Type B's extend too much into the latter.
i might be an exception amongst my nation's general populace with their thoughts, convictions, and standards, but imo incest can be a good thing, AS LONG as its in unglorified 2D. 3D manifestations of incestuous romance and marriage are out of the question, and that doesn't even factor in how incest can be a criminal offense in many nations. though, IDEALLY (and this is my very personal opinion), if one were to look only on the evolutionary ultimatum against incest, which could be said as the origin of the social taboo, incestuous lovers ought to be given the chance to belong in society like your typical man and wife, AFTER agreeing to not contribute to the gene pool (some sort of social contract that binds incestuous couples to sterilization as well as being banned from artificial conception methods that might be developed in the near future). then again, no nation and constitution has even come close to such an idea, and probably never will.
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[070428] アメサラサ (amesarasa)
[090925] 夏ノ雨 (natsu no ame)
[120831] イモウトノカタチ (imouto no katachi)
[070428] アメサラサ (amesarasa)
[090925] 夏ノ雨 (natsu no ame)
[120831] イモウトノカタチ (imouto no katachi)
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Re: Anime Culture Shock
It is kind of hard to miss, even on the anime side, where much of this is getting ported from.you noticed it as well?? not too sure on the LN side, but with VNs the trend's been particularly strong since at least '09 (as far back as the majority of my titles take me back)
i found it odd too, but it isn't much of a surprise when you consider that the trend itself feeds on (the wallets of) Type B otaku . i guess the question left for us non-japs is, why exactly does it trigger our jap comrades' fancy? also, there seems to be an unclear line between moe for protag's ane/imouto, and moe for the ane/imouto concept in general. i don't mind the former as long as its properly (note: bare minimum) delivered, but apparently them Type B's extend too much into the latter.
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We have to keep in mind that many nations have based their laws on religious standards, especially the United States and (parts of) Europe.i might be an exception amongst my nation's general populace with their thoughts, convictions, and standards, but imo incest can be a good thing, AS LONG as its in unglorified 2D. 3D manifestations of incestuous romance and marriage are out of the question, and that doesn't even factor in how incest can be a criminal offense in many nations. though, IDEALLY (and this is my very personal opinion), if one were to look only on the evolutionary ultimatum against incest, which could be said as the origin of the social taboo, incestuous lovers ought to be given the chance to belong in society like your typical man and wife, AFTER agreeing to not contribute to the gene pool (some sort of social contract that binds incestuous couples to sterilization as well as being banned from artificial conception methods that might be developed in the near future). then again, no nation and constitution has even come close to such an idea, and probably never will.
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Re: Anime Culture Shock
ainsoph9 wrote:Like you said, I do not mind the over- and undertones too much, although it gets quite old too quickly. The blurring of the lines between incest and moe seems to be problematic on one level or another. Obviously, from a moral perspective, especially a Western one, this is a big no-no. Westerners do not have as nearly as much of a problem with cute girls doing cute things in cute ways, which is basically moe, as they do with incest. Seemingly, these are separate categories that should not be confused or mixed.
However, this is not the case for some Japanese otaku to one extent or another. While recent polls show that most Japanese would not commit incest or many of the (criminal) acts shown in VNs and some anime, the fact that a minority would do it can be frankly terrifying. Most Japanese otaku do make a barrier of some sort between 2-D and 3-D, although that line is becoming more blurred as well. Other polls and research have shown that many, if not most, otaku are showing a huge decrease in interest in 3-D women, marriage, and even sex, with the most quoted reason being not wanting to be responsible for such a relationship with a woman who "nags." Hence, it seems that many Japanese men and some women are redirecting their sexual drives and frustrations to the 2-D world, which "allows" for things such as incest, gay/lesbian relationships, etc. Yet, this seems to create a never-ending loop because otaku are more or less seen as social outcasts in a communal society. Admittedly, most otaku are harmless. Even so, when pitted against a cultural stereotype, this just adds to the pressure. Lastly and sadly, many Japanese children have not grown up with a strong father or mother figure around the house, which typically creates its own set of problems, including social awkwardness, mental illness and disorders, abuse towards others later in life, feelings of abandonment and anger, being unable to have successful relationships with the opposite and/or same gender, being unable to relate to children, feelings of inadequacy, being unable to be successful in one's career, etc. While some of these things may feel like a long shot from being the source of the trend, I think that there may be some sort of lingering correlation between them.
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ainsoph9 wrote:We have to keep in mind that many nations have based their laws on religious standards, especially the United States and (parts of) Europe.
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雨 (ame) trilogy
[070428] アメサラサ (amesarasa)
[090925] 夏ノ雨 (natsu no ame)
[120831] イモウトノカタチ (imouto no katachi)
[070428] アメサラサ (amesarasa)
[090925] 夏ノ雨 (natsu no ame)
[120831] イモウトノカタチ (imouto no katachi)
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Re: Anime Culture Shock
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