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Talk:Utsuro no Hako:Volume3 Epilogue

2010-06-07T20:56:06Z

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Aaaaaaargh!!! CLIFFHANGER!!!

And now it's all explained... very, _very_ pleasant. So very happy to have gotten to read the workings of this! | Ufufufu. And the next volume will presumably have him working with full knowledge... tricky, tricky. Hmmm. Securing the Maria-NPC's cooperation should be fairly simple, but how would the others react to hearing that they were NPCs and their existence would be ended no matter what they did? Also, on the subject of the Maria-NPC, it occurs to me to wonder what the PC Maria thought of the NPC Maria declaring a lack of the 'box'. Since their perceptions differ in that regard, she should have noticed that she and the NPC were separate... or were the perceptions so thoroughly replaced that even the 'perception of being a box' was only that of the NPC's? That might be the most convenient setting. Now then, how to get the other NPCs to willingly die? It might in fact help to introduce them to the idea that they would die no matter what. Ah, and I wonder how the role is decided... Revolutionary, King, Sorcerer... *facepalms at seeing the '(Player)' at the ends that could have served as such a helpful clue if noticed and paid attention to* | The NPC-Daiya might be of particular help. The matter of what he revealed in the first round about his motivations, the other girl... hmm. | Finally everything is remembered. He's no longer operating blind. However it goes (and he'll presumably win no matter what), this will be /fun/! | Still not evident who's 0. It could be Kamiuchi... it could be Maria... the likelihood of it being Yanagi is lower now that the second round's motivations are understood, but... hmm. Yanagi connections... the question of who is behaviour unusually, who is behaving in a way that seems strange, odd, not fully in tune with normal human emotions... I'm inclined to think that Daiya and Yanagi are not 0 due to the _depth_ of emotion shown. Maria and Kamiuchi are suspicious for different reasons. Iroha, seems unlikely, but not much information each way. It would be absurd for Kazuki to be, since the point is to observe him. There's also the possibility that none of them is this time. Considering Kamiuchi's displayed wildness, probably Maria is the most suspicious, regarding her saying things or not saying things at certain times, and overall being much more (...inconveniently...) passive than usual. Normally, even while inherently unable to do anything, she still struggles, bluffs for instance, rails and fights! Hm, also suspicious that her position on 'don't tell about the boxes'/'willingly tell about the boxes' completely flipped between rounds despite in theory being an identical NPC. It's particularly interesting, then, if Kazuki is trying desperately to save /her/ while she's not in fact present. Well, Kamiuchi is still be to considered (in terms of having to live/be saved). Ahh, so much pleasure! --Multipartite/131.111.229.54, 1433 (GMT +1)
:Regarding the don't tell/tell; Iroha was stopped by Daiya, hence the tension wasn't as high as in the first round. This enabled Maria to tell them about the 'boxes' before Noitan's explanation. Quoting Maria: "If we told them after the explanation of the game, they would have thought that we were just trying to trick them in order to win. We could tell them just because they were still able to consider it properly." [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 11:55, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
What if '0' wasn't in the previous round?
Or maybe he changed from one player to the other? Since they are just NPCs.
Btw, can't wait for the next volume...
EDIT: I just realized that all players have won at least once before Kazuki's turn...
:Nope, only Daiya, Yuuri and Iroha have won yet. [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 11:47, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Ahh, my mummies : D

'0' could also be that teddy bear, or what it was. I don't know why, but somehow I find it very fitting to him (and he is the only character that can't die (well, I suppose he can't die...).

And thanks, EusthEnoptEron, for translating this, you are doing a great job. The 4th volume isn't out yet?
(And after waiting for the 10th volume of Suzumiya Haruhi, I really started to hate cliffhangers...)
--[[User:Spiller|Spiller]] 12:25, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
:It's going to come out on June 10th. Probably, I'll start working on it at the beginning of July or so (order book, read it, find scans if possible). [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 12:46, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

A good point regarding the telling before/after! Thinking on similar lines, it might be possible to gain an advantage by predicting certain aspects--such as naming others before they came out of their rooms for the first time--and thus convincing others of the accuracy of one's claimed knowledge of the game's setup. *thoughts stray to whether Kamiuchi is suspicious regarding the differing attitude towards Yanagi ('willing to kill to survive' somehow quickly changed to 'willing to be killed')* | The 'winning': I suspect the person was referring to the character's victory conditions, rather than the Players surviving. This could be of minor significance regarding how easy it is for each person (PC or NPC) to get through a round alive... particularly significant regarding Kazuki, of all of them, being the one least apt at surviving a round. | It occurs to me that it would be amusing if 0 was originally a human, and if Kazuki or someone else has a chance of eventually becoming a similar entity... well, fairly unlikely. I've assumed that the bear is a function of the box, and so there would be little to be gained by taking its place. Consider 0's previous actions, what would be convenient for him/her/it to prod others/stir things up? Hmmmm. Ah, and there's the question of whether 0 in fact could die if attacked... neither Haruaki nor the boy's sister died, before... | *seconds/[appropriate number] the thanks!*

if he tries to take advantage of his knowledge they will think he is the culprit,
0 originally being a human is possible.... i don't think he will die because of this box but maybe by maria's power and last question: where is 0???
i think he has been watching in the game, i am sure that in the third game (and maybe the second) it was kamiuchi(or what he is called) but in the first one??in the fourth one????
we will just have to wait:(

(In retrospect, Haruaki did undergo death in the first volume. Even assuming that 0 was maybe counting on the death being reversed, it still raises questions about the 'watching', implying that 0 is able to watch the events unfolding even without being physically present. Physical presence then might be solely for the purpose of direct meddling.) | It is possible to give information without being suspected, much as revealing knowledge of the boxes did not inherently spell doom in the second round.

Talk:Utsuro no Hako:Volume3 Epilogue

2010-06-07T13:34:21Z

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Talk:Utsuro no Hako:Volume3 Epilogue

2010-06-06T13:28:45Z

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Talk:Utsuro no Hako:Volume3 Round 3

2010-06-06T13:04:33Z

131.111.229.54: New page: Overall happiness (at the available translation). My suspicion is that the 'winners' get to leave the game, perhaps being replaced by copies of some sort. That would explain Daiya's miss...

Overall happiness (at the available translation). My suspicion is that the 'winners' get to leave the game, perhaps being replaced by copies of some sort. That would explain Daiya's missing memories and Maria's non-box nature. Daiya and Maria won the first time, then Yuuri, and then Iroha and Kamiuchi (I can't remember the exact spellings and haste is too great to go back and check); several individuals seem to have realised the nature of the environment. Only the protagonist remains. So very looking forward to the Epilogue...! *continues!*

Talk:Galge no Sekai yo Youkoso!:Volume1 Prologue

2010-06-05T09:31:10Z

131.111.229.54: New page: ('There is no idol in school' is to me the most amusing part of this. All other parts involve understood disbelief suspension, but the common concept of a 'school idol' in games is one wh...

('There is no idol in school' is to me the most amusing part of this. All other parts involve understood disbelief suspension, but the common concept of a 'school idol' in games is one which cannot be extrapolated from either bent reality or supernatural fairytales. Ahhh, I wonder what the etymology of such a concept is...)

Talk:Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria

2010-06-01T09:33:56Z

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Comment: Just wanted to say, this novel is awesome. It keeps me wanting more. Keep up with the good work, and thanks for translating this and sharing it so that more people can read this awesome novel.

don't understand....

how much more is there in the story?
:I've done about a thirth. Or to be more specific: ''115/331 pages''. [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 00:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Question: What general tensing are you trying to use? First couple of chapters seem to be mostly past tense, then they switch to present. I was trying to edit them all to be the same, but ended up not being sure. >_<

~ Macavity

To me, since it talks about time loops, it seems like the main character is experiencing it first-hand in the present(since he doesn't remember much from his "past" loops) But I'm not 100% sure if thats the narration view -SwiftStrike
:I tried to use present tense in the first few loops, but then switched to past tense. In the book everything is in present tense and written in the perspective of Kazuki. But I thought it "might" sound more natural if I used past tense for actions and present tense only for his actual toughts. In the end I have no idea which one is better. Any opinions? ;) [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 05:32, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Bleh, it might be better to switch everything to just present tense then. I'm going to play around with changing the tensing for the first few parts of chapter 10876 to past. Take a look at it when I'm done. It might take some heavy editing, so we can revert it if it doesn't work for you, 3E. ~Macavity

Thanks for the example. I thought it was easier to read than the old all-present version. My only fear is that some direct thoughts of Kazuki might start to sound strange by putting them into past tense. e.g.
There's no way I'd know if you ask me suddenly like this.
→ There was no way I'd know if you asked me suddenly like that.
Past tense, but directly pointed at Kokone. Might as well just be because English's not my mother tongue.
The easiest would be to adopt the tenses of the book. But that would make it harder to read, I guess. And for, say, [http://hmtbs.wordpress.com/category/light-novels/ Ore no Imouto] it worked with the thoughts=present/actions=past mix.
So for now I'll vote for the past/present mix. [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 00:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Gah, whoever edited that is a real pro. That's ridiculously readable. (Well, ignoring a lot of stuff on here is about on the same level). Alright, if that's what you want to go for. I'll probably revert the past tense edit and work from the present tense version. It'll be easier.

Pointing the direct thoughts in past tense is pretty difficult anyway. Gah, English. Why must you abuse your speakers so? ~Macavity

==Comments==
Thanks for translating this series and I'm looking forward for what's yet to come. I'll probably do some editing in the future, but as I'm pretty lax about it this may not come to pass (I've noticed a couple here and there throughout my marathon of what was translated... Kind of why I don't ever officially call myself an editor, as I'm lazy and lax). I would of posted this in its forum thread, but I couldn't find it, if it even exists. ~EnigmaticRepose
:Thanks for the cheers, I'm glad you like it. A real forum thread will/might come soon if everything goed right, but for now there's one in the Teaser forum. Feel free to do or not to do some editing as the whim takes you - every bit helps. ;) [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 05:27, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

::To be precise at the moment a thread is [http://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3161 here] - feel free to post. Maybe the link should be re-added to the project page? --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] 06:56, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for translating. This is turning out to be an interesting series.

Its so good. I like the style too. Its nice to read something different. (I guess that sums it all up)

is this novel still on pending? it's really good too... i have read it 4 times already XD

: Holy shit, you've read it more than me. :D But glad you guys like it. And yeah, still pending. I've written a message to onizuka but I guess he has not much time for B-T at the moment. 公認より早く、完成させてやろうじゃないか!　[[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 17:45, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the update! this novel really impressed me, it's unique and good!
==So Surreal==
This series that is... But still, it kicks ass, because it's the kind of surreal that I still understand. Thanks for translating it Eush!

I love volume 2 soooo much! Thx for translating this great novel!!!

I totally fell for this novel. It's a really great fiction. I can't wait to read more!

==Problem==
The link for the light novel is only visible if you goto Sword Art Online first

Huh? I can't find a problem... I can think of nothing which would even relate the two projects... what does "link is only visible if..." even mean? --[[User:Saganatsu|Saganatsu]] 02:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Im using a mac, and the link to this light novel isnt on the list unless i go to Sword Art Online first. Its completely missing between Toradora and Zero no Tsukaima if I don't go to SAO first

:This is because of the MediaWiki cache. You don't get the problem if you're logged in. Try adding "&action=purge" to the URL to clear the cache. Example: http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Main_Page → http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=purge [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 04:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, its working now even without that

Oh yea, I was wondering how many volume this novel have out there? Tried to searched in google but can't find much.

:There are three at the present time. And the fourth should be released soon (he mentioned spring, if I remember correctly) [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 19:11, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

==Chronological Order?==
How would it be to read the volume 1 in chronological order? --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] 00:37, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

confusing, with some spoilers... probably not a good idea: it would be like going through a series of manga, and watching all the flashbacks when they occur chronologically: everything would either be a spoiler or nonsensical. I would not recommend it, but, admittedly, I have not tried. --[[User:Saganatsu|Saganatsu]] 00:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

==What about a manga???==
i hope they make a manga on it, the few images are not enough^_^
(ps anime is even better;P)

== Raw scans! ==

If anyone wants to contribute, raw scans are [http://crazy-cake.blogspot.com/2010/03/utsuro-no-hako-to-zero-no-maria.html here]. Too bad I can't read Japanese :( [[Special:Contributions/99.22.52.253|99.22.52.253]] 00:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

(Happiness/Gratitude! The current point is maria03_232.png , volume 3 pagenumber 230. The colour pictures at the start of the volumes have also been pleasant to look at.) --Multipartite/131.111.229.54, 10:28, 1 June 2010 (GMT +1)

Talk:Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria

2010-06-01T09:32:58Z

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Talk:Utsuro no Hako:Volume3 Round 2

2010-05-24T18:53:52Z

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*joy at the continuation!* | A different 'starting picture', which I didn't notice at first, though seemingly of little importance (though paranoia prompts me to wonder about that). | All characters are seemingly present... ah, it's also worth taking into account the hypothesis that all or some are not and/or were not the originals they are imitating, and so their death is meaningless. | Yanagi continues to be suspicious. The new memories: true or false? I wonder... ufufu. There's still the question of Daiya and the K-person whose name doesn't easily come to mind. | Daiya being able to guess Hoshino's class supports the hypothesis that he's fully aware of his own part (including knowing or choosing the classes of others) from the start. | Very interesting that no one has died, apparently, in the first two choices. Where might this lead...? As mentioned, Yanagi is a focus of suspicion, though this could be a red herring. (What if she killed herself, say, and blamed it on the person she met with?) | Curious regarding whether we'll ever find out what happened to the remembered two, if those memories are real. | Important to keep in mind that it's not guaranteed that these rounds are happening sequentially, one after the other, though it's seemingly suggested that they are by Daiya's foreknowledge of the knife-threatening. | Quite curious about 'what will be revealed' by the end of the volume/the third round (?).... *smiles* | Considering the immediate situation: at this point anyone using buttons will likely be identifiable, unless some way is used to fake a death method. I suspect that use of the knives will come into play as a substitute for the buttons, one way or another. Significant is that, in this 'search for the one holding the box', suspicion has been turned away from Daiya--which is presumably in line with his intention, taking this tactic to see how it plays out perhaps. Full understanding of his motivations is not yet present. Is it possible that he and Hoshino are the only two people there, I wonder? In that case, Hoshino presumably cannot die, as that might defeat the purpose of the game. If resurrection is possible, though, then he can die. Quite curious to see whether he ever does; this round, as mentioned, seems to mainly have shifted from 'search for the Revolutionary' to 'search for the box-owner'. It would be interesting if there at some point were a 'search for the King/{King-related people}'... that might be a little too much to hope for, though. In any case, very interesting! Thank you very much for the translations! *joy*

0 must be somewhere, he should be someone between the 6
in the first round i think he was Daya
in the second round i think he is Kamiuchi

I just realised that the part at the end is the /sixth/ day; this shifts the focus of attention slightly towards 'starvation as an immanent threat'.

Talk:Utsuro no Hako:Volume3 Round 2

2010-05-23T19:05:51Z

131.111.229.54: New page: *joy at the continuation!* | A different 'starting picture', which I didn't notice at first, though seemingly of little importance (though paranoia prompts me to wonder about that). | ...

Talk:Utsuro no Hako:Guidelines

2010-05-22T18:50:06Z

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How about using "Good-for-nothing Happiness" for 出来損ないの至福 and Game of Idleness for "怠惰なる遊戯". Think of it: 2nd one may fit, if you look at it after reading vol 3. --LoSs 04:58, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

hmm... Good-for-Nothing Happiness feels a little off... Flawed Bliss is more suited i think...
:Ah, Game of Idleness fits much better. Thanks! I prefer Flawed over Good-for-nothing, though. (Good-for-nothing would be more accurate but I don't like the sound of it) By the way, does anyone have an idea for "王降ろしの国"? I thought about "Throne Hunt Country" or "Country of Revolution" but well... [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 06:58, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, from my guess it's 「王(０)降ろしの国」, an analogy of "King of The Hill". You can use some sort of localization like King of the Land/Ruler of The Kingdom, or keep it literal - Land of Discharging King. Another interesting suggestion: "Kingdom Royale". --LoSs 12:27, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
: "Kingdom Royale" sounds quite good, actually (like a game should). But is there some deeper meaning to it? "King of the Land" doesn't sound bad either. Well, at least I think we can't go with literally here. [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 13:39, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:: How do I spoil here? Anyways, it will be spoiler talk so I can tell my thoughts in IRC channel or whatever. --LoSs 17:07, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay. I'll be idle on irc://irc.rizon.net/UtsuroNoHako or so. [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 18:01, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, why was 一週間 translated as 'Sevennight' rather than '(one )week'?

Talk:Utsuro no Hako:Volume3 Round 1

2010-05-20T06:44:38Z

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So, do we use it (Kaichou) as a nickname or a title? The use of "the" should be unified in accordance to that, right now it is irritating. If we decide to use it as a nickname and it sounds strange without "the" in some cases, I suggest changing those into English.--[[User:Kadi|Kadi]] 11:53, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:The best would be to change all occurrences into English, I think. But if there's no appropriate term I'd go for the title. [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 12:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, I will change the Kaichou not used as an address to "the president" for now, although it may be slightly odd. When used as a form of address, I'll keep it for now, lacking a better alternative. As for alternatives: "Shindo-san", "Iroha(-san)" and "Prez'" come to mind, but I am not happy with either of them, for obvious reasons (not the title anymore/overly familiar => away from the original Japanese). Since you are the translator, it's your call, I'd say.

Or we keep Kaichou as form of address. It would work since you explained it at the beginning, and we keep "-san" and "calling by last name", too, so it shouldn't stand out too much.

By the way, it would be more convenient to discuss such matters in real-time... Is there any way? Maybe IRC?--[[User:Kadi|Kadi]] 14:07, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

P.S.: Editing done, and I fear it is too much of "the president". I suggest changing at least some of them to "Iroha(-san)" or "Shindo(-san)". I can do that later, if you want me to and trust my judgment on it.--[[User:Kadi|Kadi]] 14:20, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:I automatically think of *the* president, when reading "president" for some reason. :D How about "chairman" or something along these lines? Also, I'm usually online on #UtsuroNoHako@irc.rizon.net [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 14:27, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

'chairman' ('board chairman') might be 'rijichou' (理事長); 'seitokaichou' (if I remember correctly) is translated so consistently across various fictions as 'student council president' that it could be confusing/disorientating for a different form to be used.
Regarding name-substitution, I personally prefer for translations to as accurately as possible (with editor's notes explaining hard-to-translate parts as necessary) represent what the original text says, but understand that preferences differ.
:I see your point. I looked over the scanlation of "Kaichou wa Maid-sama" the other day and they used "president" there as well. So, English people, tell me what you'd like to see: "Kaichou", "president" or "chairman". Honestly speaking, I have no clue which sounds the most natural. ;) (by the way, great speculations! The next chapter might resolve at least one of them.) [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 12:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

(An exciting story development! If all were allowed to know their classes and meet in the same room before anyone had died, they might be able to all willingly reveal their classes to narrow down who the King was while still at least somewhat committed to cooperation and stalling for time. The timetable seems deliberately set up to prevent that, which is interesting given that it's known that at least two people are suspect afterwards (the King and the Sorcerer, if I understand correctly); ah, but the Double is also suspect if there's been Substitution, though that's fairly unlikely so early... Interesting if 'not reading one's own class' could become a valid tactic in not earning the enmity of others. Helpful if the Prince's tactic is passive. Perhaps the means of death will be identifiable, to see whether the Knight or the Sorcery or the Revolutionary has killed someone...

There's the question of 'Who is 0 this time?' still.

Will the Prince know if the Sorcerer has tried to kill him? The Sorcerer will know who the Prince is, and needn't worry about the Double as someone else might due to only killing who the King directs.

The '30 minute two-person conversation' might or might not be an information-flow limiting factor. One person could meet with another, that person could pass on that information to the next... but do you select the people by 'name' or by 'class'? It would probably have to be by 'name', as otherwise one could find out others' classes by selecting them (unless that's a valid gameplay tactic--no, it can't be, or the King would just identify the Revolutionary and ), but without knowing the other's class it could be difficult to have a conversation more useful than the public one. Are those conversations recorded as well as the public ones, I wonder?

Here's a problem: how can the Prince possibly win? The Prince needs the King, the Double and the Revolutionary to die. These are the three people who have the power to decide whether people die or not. Once two of them are killed, there's no way to kill the third. Will the knife be used by the Prince to eventually try to kill someone in person? Is the Prince inherently a doomed class, to prompt a desire to slip out in that person?

All the others can hypothetically win through buttons only. Only the Prince is bound to kill someone with his or her own hands. Interesting, perhaps? *looks forward to seeing such either noticed and mentioned by the characters or discredited as a misunderstanding* Very enjoyable! *great happiness*)

It would be very interesting if Maria's the Prince and Kazuki's the Double... Then, it would be difficult for Maria to win, and Daiya (who is probably the king) can use Kazuki as a substitute which could make Maria accidently kills Kazuki.

I wonder: is Maria able to kill people through buttons? It's known that there's some reason that she's inherently unable to take violent action against others, but does that extend to all forms of indirect violence or only to direct physical violence? If she's not able, then that would certainly simplify her position.
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(*ponders the seeming difficulty of the King to succeed, compared to the Revolutionary, given the propensities of those who obey (or not) and the decisions of those who obey (or not) depending on class-knowledge or not...*)

*reads the update very happily* Two triangles! Assuming that Kazuki won't kill anyone, if I understand correctly the first victim could only come from the Revolutionary; if Maria were the Revolutionary, for instance, the entire game could be stymied at least until someone killed someone with a knife. (I have a vague suspicion/hunch/wouldn't-it-be-interesting-if-that-were-so-impression that Maria might be the King, but... hmm.) Interesting regarding that the conversations aren't recorded and that the conversation partners are shown! Curious that the meetings aren't listed in order of occurrence. *wonders whether there's any secret significance*

i tried seeing what you sayd, and you know what i found out?
sorcerer is posted as fourth, so is kazuki hoshino in the meetings ==> 1+1= 2???
maybe it means that maria is revolutionary, daya is double and going on if it is as you sayd^^
(here is the list
[Iroha Shindou] -> [Koudai Kamiuchi] 16:20~16:50 king
[Yuuri Yanagi] -> [Iroha Shindou] 15:40~16:10 prince
[Daiya Oomine] -> [Kazuki Hoshino] 15:40~16:10 double
[Kazuki Hoshino] -> [Maria Otonashi] 15:00~15:30 sorcerer
[Koudai Kamiuchi] -> [Yuuri Yanagi] 15:00~15:30 knight
[Maria Otonashi] -> [Daiya Oomine] 16:20~16:50 revolutionary
it should be something like this ^^)

Ah, I just realised that there are only three rounds in the table of contents. Still, enough time for six people to die. Even so, interesting to imagine how it might develop... *still on a metaphorical seat-edge*

3 rounds 3 supermen and 3 men with various ability(one lucky one able to master boxes and the other don't remember)

*happiness at the update!* A _good_ reason for them to be cautious in not revealing about Daiya's culpability, confirmation that Maria cannot kill even through buttons (though I've forgotten if it were ever explained why she has that limitation, though it's been explained that it exists: a function of her box?), and the revelation of Maria's class. No mention of the necessity of the Prince to kill someone else to win, nor of the potential of others killing others outside buttons (it occurs to me that, hypothetically, any of the players could win by with their own hands killing all the other players). An interesting part about the ability to quickly give a (practically rehearsed?) reason for being unable to kill others. With this, initial conferrence/conferrence is over. From here on will be the start of things... ah, and the inbetween Daiya-part: I must remember to read it carefully for clues as to how the story will develop. What of significance could/will be said (in either direction), I wonder... *smiles* *significant gratitude for the continuing translation* [Sort-of edit: Sorry, not that the Prince has to kill someone without buttons to win, but that someone has to die in a non-button-related manner for the Prince to win. The means is not set in stone. ...I wonder about food, whether food can be stolen...]

:I also wondered about food, but more like taking it from the players that are dead/zombie. It could prolong the game a little bit after all. Also, the sorcerer could just steal one portion of food (if nobody else does) and then wait for all other to die by becoming mummies (though zombies are cooler) since the sorcerers wining conditions are already meet. (The mummies are interesting though, when can you risk running into them?)
:Maria needs to be killed by all other players, except Kazuki which doesn't need to kill/be killed. Please don't go for the "I don't need to kill anyone, but if I doesn't Maria will die" problematic, it is too boring... (though the book wouldn't change no matter how much I beg...)
:It is also interesting to see how the type of killing aren't the same. Some just have death, while other have elimination and murder. For example, if the King becomes a mummy because he forgot to each food, then [Revolutionary] can't win because he died of natural causes and doesn't meet the wining condition of "'''murder''' of [King]".
:Just 3 persons need to die, what a wonderful game. But it is interesting how unbalanced this game is. [The Double] just needs to kill [Prince] and [Revolutionary] and he have won and there is no players left that needs to kill him. But the prince needs to kill 4 players. (if [knight] doesn't die, the game will continue and until either [prince] or [knight] dies, so he would have to kill him too.)
:Well, "First Day <D> Big room" will be interesting, there should be lots of hints to what type the other players are. (only 43% so far? will the big meeting room and dinner really be the next 57%, or does the rounds span over multiple days? (the way the headings are written could suggest this.))
:Btw, isn't there a good way to format this discussion? It is a bit difficult to see who wrote what...
:--[[User:Spiller|Spiller]] 20:48, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::The conditions are met when the respective targets die. So even if some of them turned into mummies, the conditions would still be met; Or at least I think so. After all the [Revolutionary] would still 'become the king', even if the [king] starved and didn't die by his hands. Also, you'd better ignore the chapter titles - there were none in the original book to begin with. [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 00:38, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

who do you think the box is of? o thinks it is of the lucky boy(don't remember name)

It can be Kaichou's as well. Also, how did Daiya know what awaits them, whe he said lets play.

nah, i don't think it will be kaichou's but maybe of her friend or the lucky guy i'm sure it is of one of these 2

but her friend is dead...lucky guy is pretty obvious...that's why i doubt him. But the real mindfuck will be - maria is "0"

I think Yuuri was the Double, and Revolutionary was trying to kill the King, though there might be some reason for someone to kill her intentionally.

<glee> The 'Yanagi' memories are intriguing. The first thing that comes to mind is a near-repeat of the first volume's situation, but that's probably not the case. Yuuri's actions before her death seem somewhat too suspicious, so I suspect that she might have been the Revolutionary and deliberately killed herself to sow suspicion (whether the box owner or 0 or some other reason). Very exciting! Because I'm now trying to guess the ending before it happens (a wonderful prerogative of a mystery novel ('of a mystery novel reader'?), I'll probably with second-guessing pass through almost all possible possibilities at some time or another. <great appreciation of translation!>

yeah i am sure that she or kaichou are 0!!

FUCK YEAH! Round 1 competed.

Very exciting. That the Prince can use [Murder] when the King is killed is a surprising datum which I couldn't see in the rules when I went back to look. On that note, it's not explained why Hoshino had to [futilely] try to convince Maria, rather than just risking everything by fighting Daiya with a knife. | The most frown-inducing part: "Therefore it's better he doesn't speculate that I'm the [King].". It makes no sense that Hoshino would accept this, as _the Assassin in the proposed situation must know that Daiya is the King_. If you're the Assassin and when you try to kill someone someone else dies by your means, you know that the remaining person must be either the King (or the Double?). Either way, if you're the Revolutionary, you want to kill that person who can use [Murder] at that point immediately. A conversation to try to mislead the Assassin into thinking that the substituted target cannot use [Murder] is futile, meaningless. Unlike other things said, it's absurdity of such blatancy that it's nearly inconceivable to imagine that Hoshino would in fact be taken in by it. | Moving on, quite happy! Interesting, in retrospect, the playing-out of the King being convinced to kill the Knight... hmm, and Daiya can't have tried to convince the King that he was the King... quite interesting to follow. | I'm surprised and complicatedly happy that my impression about the similarity to the first round has been borne out. Perhaps I shouldn't be, as it might still be that no memories are lost. In any case, the title of the fiction being what it is, it's almost certain that dead people will return to life instead of only being replaced by/with new players. Will there be memory loss in future, either of all non-owner players or of all dead players? Has Hoshino died before and lost his memories, though maybe having dim Yanagi-related memories? Who might 0 be, and manipulating the situation in what way? Whose actions are most uncharacteristic, will it be guessable? I have no idea,and while wondering am for the moment content to allow the flow to take it where it will (aside from unbelievable things such as the suggestion that the Assassin wouldn't know for certain that a substituted person could use [Murder]), but continue to find the story very enjoyable! *looks forward to the next round*

I'm a bit disappointed of the very end of this round. First of all, the "have to kill in order to save Maria" thing came up... (And yeah, what happened to the knife? If he didn't have the resolution to kill him face-to-face, then his statement was worthless..)
I'm also disappointed that nobody really died. Seriously, when people die, they ''die''. Don't even hospitalize them, just kill them completely okay? Anything else ruins the plot completely...
I didn't realize that this game was going to end this round. So I decided I would just read this part before thinking too deeply about the story, but then everything suddenly was over... what a bummer...
--[[User:Spiller|Spiller]] 20:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Firstly, would it fit to Kazuki's personality to use a knife? Secondly, would he have been able to win against Daiya in a 1vs1-fight? Also, who said they don't really die...? (Daiya, I know, but wait for the volume to be finished. ;) ) [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 22:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Personality-fit: one could ask the same about the willingness to use [Murder], it being a matter of commitment. Ability to win: that's a fairly good point. Is there anything to suggest that Daiya has been taking martial arts or otherwise is particularly adept when it comes to physical things (e.g. sports)? Notable may be that he's kept to using [Assassination], even prompting the King to use a knife (and succeeding) rather than himself acting (though there may have been a good thought-related reason for that, too). | The dying/not dying... them actually dying would likely only make sense if, as suggested by one person, the 'Maria' Kazuki assumes will be there is in fact 0 or in some other sense not the real Maria. Quite interesting if so. Also interesting/shocking if Maria in fact permanently dies, despite the fiction's title. ...speaking of which, 'Zero no Maria'... in what way is Maria 0's...? Ah, wonderful paranoia. Somewhat blink-inducing if Maria does die more-or-less permanently and then Kazuki somehow resurrects her by using a new box. ...and there's also the option of people seeming to die permanently cumulatively within the game box, but all being resurrected if the conditions of the game are cleared... ahh, such delightful wonderings possible! I look forward to further parts of the story, but will likely be unable to wait for it to end in wild guessing. A large part of the enjoyment of this sort of story, as well, is the ability to speculate (with others?) about what will happen! Ufufufufufufu.

Pressing the MURDER button is the easy way out. But what romantic is there with that? In the end all he did was to press a button. (A button with dramatic consequences, but still just a button.) If he could win against Daiya in a knife fight, I don't know. I don't get the feeling it would be impossible though. (Where is the excitement if there is no risk?) Still, there could be other ways to get rid of him, why give up just because Maria says no? Knock her unconscious and force her hand to make the order? (Might be a bit tricky to execute, but since it is him she might have dropped her guard.)
Or perhaps steal Daiyas food? It was confirmed that is was a valid move, but it didn't say it could only be done after a player dies. I can't remember the timetable for day 2, but for the first day dinner was after the second meeting in the big room, so Daiya could turn into a mummy before he would be able to assassinate Maria.
Or try to prevent Daiya to follow the timetable? It didn't say what would happen in that case as far as I remember though, but it probably wouldn't be anything good. How this should be done would be tricky though... Maybe knocking him unconscious while his guard was down because Kazuki didn't have his knife? (Yeah, I love knocking people down.)
Last idea and then I will stop. Not eating dinner and turning into a mummy and hoping the mummy will eat Daiya or something. The success rate would be low and pretty much last resort, but it might just work : P (win if he ended up eating Maria instead xD)

But if people really does die somehow, then I will be happy. But somehow I'm not too sure the author would kill people just like that... But I only think that way because of the first novel. The way the girl (I'm terrible at remembering names...) survived anyway kinda ridicules the reason for the whole event (but that is pretty fun too never the less).
But I will wait then before I criticize this further then. But if Yuuri survives and begins liking Kazuki and turns the whole thing into a harem, hell will arise...
Anyway, I like the concept that was touched in Umineko no naku koro ni, game pieces will not die, they are just placed back into the storage box, waiting to be placed in play again, but may not be used again and will just rot there for eternity. (Or something like that...)
--[[User:Spiller|Spiller]] 21:57, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

(I suspect that a 'mummy' is the original sense of a shrivelled-up inanimate corpse, rather than an undead monster.) | (Agreed regarding Umineko wonderfulness!)

:I just couldn't get this sentence out of my mind: «Okay thEn - I wiSh aLl oF you a - good fight! - Just dOn't end - the roUnd by - doing somEthing - as stUpid - as to tuRn - into muMmies everYone - okAy?».
:
:However I just noticed now, that it says "the round". Before I thought a round was one day or something like that, but I can see this is not the case. "round" is only mentioned three times. First is the chapter title ("Round 1"), then there is that sentence I just quoted above and the last one when Daiya talks about round 2. So just what would end by running into a mummie?
:--[[User:Spiller|Spiller]] 10:43, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, "round" didn't even appear in the original novel. The chapters were created by me because we need chapter titles, Noitan talked originally about "game" and Daiya said "one time" if I remember right. [[User:EusthEnoptEron|EusthEnoptEron]] 11:43, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

A largish question regarding Maria's death seems to have appeared and then disappeared; hopefully the questioner upon rereading realised that Daiya was the Assassin, not the King. (The question about the Prince being able to use Murder after the King and Double die is still reasonable.)

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Another little part of this chapter we have already [http://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=2527&start=30#p63562 here].

We have had [http://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=2527&start=45#p63971 there] a question regarding this sentence それ以来,あいつの生来のお節介燒き属性には妙な拍車がかかってしまったのだ maybe there would have been already more translated of chapter 2 if it were'nt for this unanswered question? ;) --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] 14:13, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps 'nature' instead of 'tendency'... I'm inclined to suggest 'meddlesome nature' rather than 'meddling nature' based on which sounds most natural, and 'nosy nature' would have distracting alliteration. | It's also possible to have 'tendency to meddle' or even 'tendency to stick her nose into other people's business' if inclined to wax eloquent. | Also inclined to suggest 'spurred on her []' rather than 'spurred her []'. | As for the '妙な', perhaps 'strangely seems to have been spurred on', though the 'somehow' was my first impression as well. Even though it might also be good, though, a translation closer to the literal meaning of strangeness (rather than 'somehow', which might be '何故か' for instance. | Speaking of literal translations, going back to the spur part, one could try something about 'spurs dug into'... but there once more the 'spurred on' case looks better to me, perhaps semi-arbitrarily. | A very important point is whether /he's/ the one applying the spurs, personally, or whether it could be the overall situation, or her herself indirectly. It might be advisable to phrase it in a way which similarly doesn't name the spurrer, but just says that it's been spurred on. | Most important is to get down something, and continue. | This is also very selfish, I know, but is it conceivably possible to start translations after the point that the manga has reached? (For the sake of satisfying the burning curiosity of those who have read the manga and want to know what happens next... apologies regarding unfairness to those who aren't familiar with those events, and for instance a parallel translating of both sections at once would be a very happy compromise.) | (And as always, thank you all translators!) | (...I worry about that '燒き' part... and loath to use 'seems to have been' without a 'らしい'　'そうだ', but the only clear alternative would be 'has strangely only been spurred on'/'strangely has only been spurred on'... uguu. *sympathy regarding all those who have to make decisions* Definitely most important is just getting the gist across, aiming for literal translations when possible while accepting that translations will not be perfect.)

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A little confused by the start: if they both played scissors, shouldn't it have been a tie?

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poor him:(i now they want to make him a murderer!!

Very pleasant part regarding the return home on the bike. The 'your relations with your classmates are forever destroyed' part left a bitter taste in my mouth. The 'Aya' part is curious... am I forgetting something important from earlier, or was the information he doesn't have never revealed to us in the first place, putting us in his position in terms of puzzlement? Hmm. Curious to see whether the plotline will be resolved acceptably.

(Same source as last paragraph: have now read the rest! Significant happiness. *smiles*)

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Just out of curiosity, why is volume 3 being translated before volume 2? does volume 3 come before volume 2? or is it just because thats the way you felt like translating it?

maybe because there are different translators working on different volumes

I haven't seen any new updates for some time (since the anime started airing?)... I'm worried. *curiosity regarding what happened with the tape-recorded thing, Himeji et cetera in the second volume*

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So... what's going on here? *curiosity* It seems to be implied that it was thought that Kokone was the owner, but that Kasumi was the owner, yet how can the last section's events be explained by this? (Where is the chain of cause and effect?) Also, how can the 5232th time in which Kasumi/Kazumi allegedly died be reconciled with her being the box owner? What is the nature of the 'regret'...? Hmmm.

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Great spin-off. I like it. Your doing a great job.

:To check, is this by the same author? It seems unusual to see a 'spin-off' which focuses on the main characters rather than side-characters. Also, it would be amusing/interesting if the developments in this were pregnancy-related, though that's almost certainly not the case.

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Great spin-off. I like it. Your doing a great job.

:To check, is this by the same author? It seems unusual to see a 'spin-off' which focuses on the main characters rather than side-characters. Also, it would be amusing/interesting if the development in this were pregnancy-related, though that's almost certainly not the case.