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Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume2 Chapter4

2006-12-08T08:55:29Z

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This chapter is currently being prepared for translation by [[User:Freak_Of_Nature|Freak Of Nature]].

Direct all questions and comments to FON's [[User_talk:Freak_Of_Nature|talk page]], or make them in the '''Comments Section''' below. Please leave the '''Original Text''' and '''Translation Notes''' sections alone.

== Original Text ==

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第四章

翌日再び飽きもせず、俺たちは駅前に集まった。ただ昨日と違うのは人員が入れ替わっている点だ。ＳＯＳ団以外の人間三名ほどが新顔として俺の前に立っている。ハルヒ言うところのザコキャラたちである。

「おいキョン、話が違うぞ」

広義するように言い出したのは谷口だ。

「麗しの朝比奈さんはどこだ？　あの方が出迎えてくれるって言うから来たなだぜ。いねえじゃねえか」

その通り、朝比奈さんは定刻になっても来なかった。たぶん自宅の部屋で出勤拒否をしているに違いない。昨日も一昨日も散々な目にあっていたからな。

「俺は目の保養に来たなだぞ。それがどうだ。今日はまだ涼宮の逆ギレした顔しか見たねえぞ。詐欺だ」

うるさいな。長門でも眺めてりゃいいじゃないか。

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「それにしても長門さん、やけに似合っるなあ」

のんびりと言うのは国木田だ。谷口に続くザコ二号である。昨夜、俺が風呂に入ってたらハルヒから電話がかかってまた。妹から受話器を受け取り、頭を洗いながら聞いたのが、

「谷口のアホと、もう一人……名前が思い出せないけど、あんたの友達よ。その二人を明日連れてきなさい。ザコキャラで使うから」

== Translation Notes ==

=== "Zakokyara" ( ザコキャラ ) ===

ザコキャラ is obviously one of those ''-kyara'' idioms, where キャラ is an abbreviation for キャラクター, ''kyarakutaa'', meaning "character". But what is a ''zako''? I'd not run across this idiom before, so I had to do some furious thinking and asking around.

雑魚 (''zako'') means "small fry, small fish", and ザコキャラ features prominently on pages about games. I'm thinking it may mean something along the lines of "minor characters", "bit players", "extras", "cannon fodder", "spear carriers" or even "NPCs". I gather that in RPGs, ザコキャラ are the low-level enemies that function more as obstacles than as actual threats. "Orcs", or "goombas".

So how to translate this? Right now, I'm using "small fry", but I'd dearly love to have a better phrase. More to come as I think about it.

--[[User:Freak Of Nature|Freak Of Nature]] 16:09, 26 April 2006 (PDT)

Update: The thought has occurred to me that perhaps, in this case, the word ought to be: "henchmen".

--[[User:Freak Of Nature|Freak Of Nature]] 14:23, 30 April 2006 (PDT)

== Comments section ==

Editors and casual visitors should feel free to offer comments in this section. Please leave the '''Original Text''' and '''Translation Notes''' sections alone.
:Regarding the above, maybe 'minions' would work? But I think "henchmen" also works fine.

henchmen is probably closer, but I think minion better describes the postion of Miruku and Kyon. They don't have a lot of choice in the matter.

While it is absolutly wrong, I also like Murmidion. I use Suzumiya Murmidian as my title in a couple of newsgroups.
[[User:151.151.73.170|151.151.73.170]]Steven

I have a problem with the phrase "Asahina-san placed her hands on her extremely short skirt as she become very despaired"

Is is possible that her eyes filled with dispair? Dispair isn't even a verb, is it?
Steven[[User:24.20.137.157|24.20.137.157]]

Hopefully, someone will be able to answer this. Towards the end of Volume 2 Chapter 4, Kyon in his own narration says, "A smile formed on Koizumi's mouth; it looked like a ''self-depreciating'' smile." I was not sure whether ''self-depreciating'' was intended to be used here, because ''self-deprecating'' seems like a better fit. Also, it may just be a typo, since the difference between the two words is one letter, ''i''. I have not changed anything in this chapter, but if it is a mistake, then we should edit to the correct word.

Shouldn't it be "preserving information down on paper" and not "preserving information down in paper" as well as "whose high-heeled shoes don't seem suitable" and not "whose high-heeled shoes doesn't seem suitable" --[[User:71.56.235.76|71.56.235.76]] 23:20, 7 December 2006 (PST)

Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume2 Chapter3

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== References & Translators Notes ==

== Editors' Notes ==

"Haruhi had Asahina-san and Nagato stood three meters apart facing each other" ... Wouldn't it be "Haruhi had Asahina-san and Nagato stand three meters apart facing each other", as "stood" could really only work if haruhi wasn't telling them (or guiding them) to be a set distance apart?

Yup, you're right. I'll change it. -[[User:SlashZero|SlashZero]] 00:05, 30 June 2006 (PDT)

I then turned my sight towards Nagato, who was sucking her soda hardly with her straw. - This seems a bit alkward, but I dont know how to change it [Ano Reader] 8:25pm EST 09, July 2006

Hmm, I don't know. I think "sucking" would be a bit strong of a word for this, but given how fast Yuki eats in Lone Island... other than that, I think it sounds fine. -[[User:SlashZero|SlashZero]] 11:32, 12 July 2006 (PDT)

"who was sucking her soda rapidly through her straw" - I changed it to that, it was the use of hardly that was throwing me off, I know what was meant, but to me "hardly" conotates: By a very little; almost not/never. Is this a good change or am I just nitpicking? I would like to help by doing what I can, but sometime I look at the details a litte too much. [Ano Reader] 4:34pm EST 12, July 2006

"Rapidly" doesn't quite have the same meaning though. You're looking for "strongly", or a synonym thereof. Myself, I would write it as: "who was sucking her soda through her straw by force", or perhaps even "who was powerfully sucking her soda through her straw" [[User:203.217.22.128|203.217.22.128]] 21:53, 13 July 2006 (PDT)

Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume2 Chapter3

2006-12-08T07:20:28Z

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