But ....... Let's clearly recognize it. I'm afraid of him. I am scared. I wonder, is it because Sylphy is string that she is not afraid of him. [Editor Zeke: String?... Acquaintance? Childhood friend? o.o][think its "Sylphy´s connection" Or maybe it’s because she saw his true nature? Seeing Sylphy’s happy face, I feel bad about getting Rudeus tangled in my struggle for power.

Wouldn't string refer to fact she is a connection. I mean the authors origin culture has red string of fate. Plus there are a lot of references in other manga/animes/novels to string controlling one's friendship, lover, and family. Off the top of my head, I can think of a chapter of witch hunter.

string ---> connection

I really believe that it's strong and is just a typo since the sentences around are talking about strength and fear. -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 20:08, 31 July 2014 (CDT)

2014-07-31T17:34:04Z

Marrow:

''"Basically, I'm wondering how much I can change the words and sentence structure when I'm editing. I noticed that translators are worried about changes that remove important information and foreshadowing elements from the story, so I just want to get this issue out of the way now. "''

I've done a rough copy of the some of the chapters as well (if you plan on helping with vol 3~4). You can find the links on my page. Since I understand your concerns about editing, it might be better to use mine as a supplementary reference. It's hard with just one, but if you have two independent translations of the same line, it should give a pretty good idea of what the source Japanese says. It might be useful to have a look when you come across lines you aren't 100% sure about. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 15:24, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I get your point, I was considering that earlier as well and you're probably correct so I'll go with that. -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 12:34, 31 July 2014 (CDT)

Talk:Mushoku Tensei:Web Chapter 82

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Marrow: /* Questions on Changes */

Talk:Mushoku Tensei:Web Chapter 82

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Marrow: /* Questions on Changes */

Talk:Mushoku Tensei:Web Chapter 82

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Marrow: /* Questions on Changes */

User talk:Skuizaan

2014-07-31T16:20:50Z

Marrow: /* Possible Edits */

== Mushoku Tensei ==

Dear Skuizann,

You are more then welcomed to join the project, just head on over to: [[Mushoku_Tensei:Registration_Page|Registration Page]] and sign your username on a desired chapter. There should be plenty that has not been registered.

Best Regards,

--Onizuka-GTO 05:21, 12 July 2014 (CDT)

Do you mind if a lot of spacing is done to the formatting of your chapters? The block paragraph format is kind of hard to read, I'd like to space the lines dialogue/monologue out similar to most of the other chapters, not sure when I'll get to it though, just asking ahead of time? --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 16:57, 17 July 2014 (CDT)
Thanks, I'll go ahead and format them when I have time, it's just a matter of time translating a lot, this series is relatively easy in that regard. Thanks for the translations as well, the more help we have in translating the more popular this series will become, just 11-13 more volumes to go to current... lol. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 00:16, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

You're the best.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:08, 19 July 2014 (CDT)

I've updated the Naming page could you double check before i make thses changes in couple days [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:38, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

I was re-reading the chapters a bit and I noticed the [Good Life] thing, 特別生 I got what you were confused about with it as well, the Author literally wrote it like that, Tokubetsu Sei, Special Life, my guess is that it was shortened? from Tokubetsu Seito or Special Student, I went ahead and fixed it in Vol 7. Ch. 2, and matched up the lines that I changed in regards to that while cross checking with the translations(trying not to change your translations as much as I could), just suggesting you check it to make sure you're fine with that. Since the Special Student thing comes up a lot more throughout volume 7 and many volumes later, it's probably better to start using Special Student or a similar equivalent. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 22:32, 19 July 2014 (CDT)

== Possible Edits ==

...Those seem like fine edits to me. Please feel free and make the changes with my blessings. This is why I count on editors with the ability to identify where and when capitalization is properly used, where commas go, and when I have too many dangling participles.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan#top|talk]]) 16:36, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

sorry to trouble you whit volume 9 PREVIEW of Mushoku Tensei if you were to translat theme feel free to do as you like whit them → [[User:COTHER|COTHER]] ([[User talk:COTHER|talk]]) 20:31, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

I think eeto is more like "umm" instead of "eh", not a big deal though --Some random guy

Thanks random guy, I did the changes already and deleted my edit suggestions [[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 13:42, 28 July 2014 (CDT)

Thanks for the feedback on my changes so far, I'm back to editing so feel free to look when you get the chance. -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 11:20, 31 July 2014 (CDT)

==cother NEED HELP==
WERE I CAN LEARN JAPEN EASLY using the net mean self study if you have anybook that can help please advice
it to me i dont whant to rely on machine translation but my one reading of the story

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Marrow: Created page with "Since nobody really uses these pages I'm just going to list all my edits and questions here == Edits Made == * Added headers and subheaders * In the Garden of plants where ..."

Since nobody really uses these pages I'm just going to list all my edits and questions here

== Edits Made ==

* Added headers and subheaders

* In the Garden of plants where the blossoming white flowers were collected. (Capitalized plants)

* also known as, The Garden of White Lilies. (Capitalized also)

* instantly kills the guard of the princess (changed kills to killed)

* protected the princess' life (added s after ')

* Such as thing happening (as to a)

* A Demon appearing in the Royal Palace is an unprecedented incident. (is to was)

* who is charge of the Royal Palace's defense (added in after is)

* it's tentative collapse. (it's to its)

* It is a matter of course to receive well the hero (switched well and receive)('''Maybe change in future to warmly instead of well?''')

* well, The second princess Ariel (lowercase the for The)

* would not (contracted to wouldn't)

* time, The Princess and Luke would both be dead (The to the)

* [If the Princess say so.] (say to says)

Give me a sec be right back, computer problems

== Questions on Changes ==

1. To the This word, Protection knight who are Luke also agreed. (I'm going to change this, To these words, Protection Knight Luke also agreed)

Talk:Mushoku Tensei Names and Terminology

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Marrow: /* Terms to determine */

== Misc ==
http://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/636576/ <--- Author BLOG character bio page (incomplete + spoilers)

http://ncode.syosetu.com/n9669bk/192/ <--- Map 3 raw page, if you want to figure out location names. I'm still bothered over Milis, Milishion, and Arusu (capital of Asura)

Thanks for making this page, it was needed though I'm not good with these types of translations. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 05:28, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

After trying to find out who Zenisu was, the need for such a page became obvious. Please put any names you stumble upon during translation into it so that we can make it uniform throughout the translations. We still need to decide on the variants, though (i.e. Janis or Janice?) [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 05:54, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

The names here and the names in the "Character Introductions" on the Main Page were written differently. Please fix it. --[[User:Yoyoyo5678|Yoyoyo5678]] ([[User talk:Yoyoyo5678|talk]])

Exact names are not yet stabilized. Usually the first translator to stumble upon one decides on it, but here even the same translator frequently switches from one romanization to another. Feel free to discuss any discrepancies here, so that we can select the best ones. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:06, 11 July 2014 (CDT)
Also, sometimes later information forces to correct earlier spelling. I.e. when choosing between Greyrat/Greyrait, later there is a reference to "mousy family name". [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:12, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

SilentWolfie translate Rapurasu(sp) the Demon Lord as Lapius. I think the name is a reference to Laplace's Demon. --[[User:Silereamer|Silereamer]] ([[User talk:Silereamer|talk]]) 02:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

I'd like to piggyback on the former comment about the discrepancy for Zenisu being translated as Janice instead of Zenith. The katakana and no less than 4 translation engines spit 'Zenith' out as a solid match. That being said I'll leave my naming contribs here and let you all decide where to go since I'm fielding vol.7 academy arc. Localization of names I'd rather leave to the editors, since they do the polishing anyways. ザノバ・シーローン Zanoba is an ethiopian name and quite common around north africa. No complaints about Shiron/Shirone as the territory surname attributed to him being prince. ギレーヌ・デドルディア Guillain Dedorudia it's a french name, and perhaps an ironic joke, considering Robert Guillain was a french author on works about the nation of japan who was also an eyewitness to the atom bomb drop on hiroshima (sounds like the mana calamity, right?) クリフ・グリモル Cliff Grimoire yet another play on words to his occupation. A grimoire being quite literally 'book of grammar', though this time in an esoteric sense, since he's quite knowledgeable on written magic formations having to do with the nature of summoning magic. ナナホシ should remain Nanahoshi instead of Sevenstar (or variant), at least until any wordplay becomes prevalent, though there is a great deal of mythos in this series dealing with the number 7. アリエル・アネモイ・アスラ Ariel Anemoi Asura is legit. 'Anemoi' is a greek psuedo-deity of the wind, with the lesser chief wind dieties being Eurus, Boreas, Notos, and Zephyrus (the Grayrat branches in the book) カラヴァッジョ　Caravaggio was a 16th century Italian Painter, other localizations of his name also include Caravage. イゾルテ (Izorute) sounds similar to 'Iseult' of Tristan and Isolde fame. A nice story or fast wikipedia read will show similar details in reference to plot involving her character... sort of anyway. キシリカ・キシリス Kishirika Kishirisu - keep the r's and drop the u if it makes it feel easier to the eyes, otherwise it's fine, I think it's personally a play on the word '軋る' Kishiru; which is an annoying sound like a floorboard squeak or the grating of a metal fence post when you swing it open. And considering her FUHAHAHAHAHA she does near every other line she is quite annoying when she's not being useful. (as well as Badi-Gadi and the other Immortal Devil Kings, there is appropriate wordplay for them as well.) For the beasts of the forest of milis continent ギュエス Gaius from the Dorudia tribe is a play on words and also associates with his daughter the dog-beast girl プルセナ Parusena (Lars Porsena, was a king who besieged rome at one point, and had an attempted assassination by a youth named Gaius, even though the youth failed, His bravado caused king Porsena to enact a peace treaty and lift the siege.) ミニトーナ Minito-na (Minnetona) and テルセナ Terusena (Tersena) I haven't found the complete wordplay on yet, so it might just be random, I'll do some looking into it later on if clues arise. 聖獣様 Seijuu-sama Lit. Esteemed Sacred Animal/Holy Beast-sama. He figures quite a bit in vol 18+ because of the importance of ララ (Lara? Lara just fits best in my mind anyway so far) so confirming what to call his name as should be important. Though He does end up being called "Leo" later on. リニア Rinia. No wordplay with this so far, so keeping this as such for now. I expect some wordplay will fall into place since she is something 人神／ヒトガミ Human God/Hitogami keeps throwing Rudeus' way. And it is important to differentiate 人神 Human God from just 神 God (who happens to be ロキシー/Roxy!). and lastly スペルド族 The Superudo Tribe. A couple takes see it as Spelled (as in having an obvious magic enchantment) and one that I didn't get at first, since my brain read it's katakana as 'Speared' having to do mainly with the tribe's affinity to spears which is a major crux of Ruijerd's plot. Anything is fine though. ラプラス Rapurasu is clearly a reference to the Demon of LaPlace, since he was one of the Immortal Demon Lords according to the 400-year history of the world (just currently sealed away in the fortress Chaos Breaker.) --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 03:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)--

^+100 points, that's some awesome reasoning and precisely why I'm no good with names. One thing on the Holy Beast, I've been translating it that way because of Holy sounds best for most aspects of that continent, technically that entire area uses Saint rather than Holy. IE Saint Beast-sama, Saint Milis, Saint Milis Country would be an alternative name for that one though since every other location is named Kingdom and Saint doesn't fit well as a country/kingdom name, I went with defining it as Holy Milis Kingdom. Also, it could have been taken as Sword Saint/Saint Sword Highway, I don't know if that could have some background in regards to Saint Beasts. One thing I do agree on is the meaning behind Superudo, I think I'm going to switch to using Speared for that one. Also, agree on Laplace Demon (Maxwell is a later mentioned character as well AKA Maxwell's Demon entertaining that page is linked to the Wiki page for Laplace, and Maxwell is related to Atofe I believe both who are related to Laplace if I'm remembering the events right).--[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 06:53, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

Wow, I didn't know there were so many Greek god references but I'm not surprised. About 人神, it's stated in chapter 160 「準備」 that the world knows him as 人神 (pronounced Jinshin) and Hitogami is more like a personal name that few people know, making his full name 人神ヒトガミ (Jinshin Hitogami, perhaps better translated as Human God Hitogami). Leaving his name in romaji also fits with all the times people ask others about him (for example, when Rudeus first asks Ruijerd about 人神, to which Rujierd quizically replies "ヒトガミ？"). That's my opinion. On a side note, I always thought キシリカ's name would sound good written as Kicilica Kicilice, as it seems etymologically similar to the 魔大陸 town リカリス which is close to リコリス/Licorice. Just figured I'd put it out there. (Alternative spelling for maximum mind-screw: Cicilica Cicilice.) --[[User:Myopius|Myopius]] ([[User talk:Myopius|talk]]) 05:34, 14 July 2014 (CDT)

Translations engines are not an authority on romanizations, as well as katakana. Best way to find romanizations for names is to look for known persons with such a romanization. Janice is just as good a match.
Guillain is ギラン, not even close to Girune, which is ギレーヌ [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 22:15, 15 July 2014 (CDT)

Sinisl, because naming sense in katakana is truly a troublesome thing, do you mind if I share how I even came to 'Guillain' as the translation? Before anything else, let me apologize now if I come off sounding rude, I don't mean it to be anything other than an objectionary statement.
Firstly, until just this edit, I haven't consulted a translation engine on the matter. Secondly, isn't ギルーネ Giru-ne and ギレーヌ Gire-nu? I sounded ''''レ'''' as ''le'' opposed to ''re'', and got Gilenu, which if you carry the re/le sound with the hyphen, you get a double vowel result ree/lee, which results in something like Gileenu. The '''ee''' coming off as similar to the ''a'' in s''a''y. Thirdly, is that this author does borrow his fantasy names from a wide range of European sources, and just sounding it out made my intuition say it was french.
But, then I decided to check out what the translation engines and pronunciation engines have to say on the matter, since you did have a good idea there, and got these links as what I guess would be empirical evidence for my claim on the name as Guillain.
[http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%AE%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8C Katakana to English similarities on ギレーヌ] and [http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=guillain French pronunciation of ギレーヌ] with the second link, to me at least the 're' can sound like a 'le' and the 'nu' is just pronounced softly. But if you have a better suggestion than that, please go for it. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, rather, I am just trying to help fill in troublesome blanks if I can. It can stay Gire-nu indefinitely if it's easier for everyone.
And as for ゼニス ... [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%82%B9 Katakana to English similarities for ゼニス]. '''Je'''nice is listed, and I can see a logical jump there, but '''Ja'''nice is more like '''ジャ'''ニス if it's JanISS as opposed to '''ジャ'''ニ'''ー'''ス if it's JahNEESE (yes, ask me how I know two women who pronounce their names that way as well -_-). I just can't wrap my head around the entire oversight of reading ゼ '''ze''' as ジャ '''ja'''. Plus, this author uses Rudeus to spout Dragon Quest related nonsense everywhere, and King Zenith ゼニス王 was a ruler of the floating castle of Dragon Quest 6 also happened to be a human instead of what the previous owners were: dragons, so it's not entirely implausible he would use that name using the Zenith->ChaosBreaker->Pergius chain, since Rudeus makes all those 'I became a sage...' jokes to hysterical comic relief, and Sage just happens to be a recurring class in the DQ series. Anyways, that's just speculation on my part, I just happen to see these weird puns like that littered throughout the novel. Anyway, once again I sincerely apologize if my remarks came off as rude, it is not intentional at all. I'm just trying to be constructive and informative about how I come to reach my naming suggestions. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:08, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ah, of course it is Girenu, eyes get tired of reading katakana so much. Wiki says Ghislaine Thesmar is written as ギレーヌ・テスマー, so that's one good reading right there that doesn't require any inventiveness. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:47, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ghislaine eh? wow that's beautiful, because you just pointed out something interesting. Both a Ghislaine ((Which does have a verifiable prounciation as "Gee-len" [http://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/ghislaine See audio result #2]) and Linnea (リニア)
("Lin-e-AH") [http://www.forvo.com/word/linn%C3%A9a/ Swedish pronunciation of Linnéa.] Are types of Foliage. Ghislaine being a Rose, and Linnea being a Twinflower. That becomes incredibly humorous when you think how Linnea and Pursena are almost always together. I don't think I would have caught that. Nice job!

Girenu or Ghislaine or Guillain or Ghyslaine? Confused cross-referencing this list and AnimeSuki for the names.. We are talking about one character - right? right?
Whenever you guys want I can try to walk through all the pages and fix the names given permission.. Because I'm in the mood for fixing the names.. If we ever reach a conclusion o_O [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 20:33, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

For now, I think we should just stick to the Names and Terminology page for consistency with the current Tled chapters. Once names are finalised, if they need to be changed, they can be done. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:25, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

Just throwing these ones out here again with links, but as Skuizaan already mentioned above possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamba_(mythology) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iseult Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarilo --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 09:13, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

They are a miss: Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize', Jarilo ends with 'ro', not with 'ru'. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Have to agree with [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] in that Jarilo is a complete miss. The 'j' in Jarilo is a 'y' sound: ヤリーロ
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヤリーロ [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 13:00, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Jarilo (Cyrillic: Ярило or Јарило; Polish: Jaryło; Template:Lang-slo; Croatian: Jura or Juraj; Serbian: Đurilo; Slavic: Jarovit), alternatively '''Yarilo, Iarilo,''' or Gerovit, was a Slavic god of vegetation, fertility and springtime. I think we should rename him Gerovit, lol. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== About Rudy's armor ==

It was actually spelled as madou yoroi = magic/magical armor, just like how 魔導書 was spelled as madoushou = magic/magical tome or grimoire for short (well, correct me if I was wrong ^ ^)--[[User:Endo|Endo]] ([[User talk:Endo|talk]]) 00:02, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

== Zantport and Wenport ==

Suggestion: If you're going to be liberal and translate 'wenpooto' as 'Windport', you may as well go the whole mile and translate 'zantopooto' as Sandport.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:01, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Reason being that Japanese don't have trouble rendering 'Wind' as 'Windo' e.g. the word ウィンドサーフィン, or the company 株式会社WIND also written as 株式会社ウィンド. Gunna be frank here; if the author is aware of a name like Ghislaine, then I'd bet that he knows 'wind' is not typically written as 'wen'. In other words, either he's hinting at 'wind', which makes it possible that 'zanto' is hinting at 'sand', or he didn't have 'wind' in mind at all, and it's supposed to be 'wenport'. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:46, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Be a rebel and translate it as Saint Port (though it is the Mirisu side). I didn't think Zanto had the sound of Sand, I guess that does sort of make sense after its pointed out. Names too hard for me I should just start naming all characters with letters, though I would run out and have to mix them with numbers, Rudeus is now called A1 in my translations... --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 01:15, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Gunna rebel and start using Rooday'Az.[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 11:52, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

As for the wenpooto/zantopooto business, I would like to let alllllll you editors know, that I personally feel that you either stay fundamentalist for both (Wenport and Zantport), or liberal for both (Windport and Sandport). Also, I don't think there's a problem with Begaritto IMO, unless someone finds convincingly corresponding sounds in names of European places. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: Also, still waiting on your input about changing the MC's name to Rooday'Az lol. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:27, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

When it comes to names I have no issue with any changes to them it's better if they're all the same across the board. Just try to avoid any names that might massively alter the meaning. That Special/Good Life thing in volume 7 bothers me a bit in such a way. I always thought of Girenu as a Gelaine kind of name but if you guys want to take that as a Ghyslaine, that's similar and fine, just don't expect me to remember how to type it out like that when I'm translating it later, your free to fix it after to whatever is decided. Also, I mentioned it as a joke before but after giving it some thought I seriously started to consider Zanto = Saint, Saint Port as a connection point between what should have been Country of Saint Milis and it's at one end of the Sword Saint Highway. Anyways, good luck with the names no need to ask me any further. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 07:45, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Mmn, I think Saint Port might be good too. I just suggested Sand Port because I found it weird that 'wenpooto' was taken so liberally (I don't think a normal Japanese would get 'wind' from 'ウェン'), but you guys didn't noticed that 'zantopooto' might be sand in that case. If anything, you should be using Wenport and Sandport, not Windport and Zantoport (which would be much more normal for Japanese).

The reason is because 'zanto' resembles the German/Dutch pronunciation of 'sand', and so the four letter combination 'sand' ends up as ザント in Japanese.

e.g. in Log Horizon, ザント is used in the name of a place called ザントリーフ (taken by most translators as Sand Leaf). e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ザントハウゼン (Sandhausen) 
e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/マルティン・ザントベルガー (Martin Sandberger) 

On the other hand, the four letter combination 'wind' is basically always ウィンド (windo) and not ウェン (wen). For this reason, imo the possible names should be like this, from most liberal to most fundamentalist:

1. Saint Port and Wind Port 
2. Sand Port and Wind Port 
3. Sandport and Wenport 
4. Zantport and Wenport 

And yeah, the Special/Good Life thing is bothering me as well lol. It's weird because in English we don't associate 'life' with 'student'. Readers might get the wrong impression. Honestly "the Good Life" sounds like the name of some pyramid scam.
Also I think that Gelaine might be a corruption of Ghislaine. I've personally never heard of Gelaine though, but it doesn't seem popular judging by google searches. It's just conjecture, but perhaps it's an 'alternate' spelling of Ghislaine. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 09:37, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== Shiron Kingdom ==

Throwing in support for 'Shirone' or something like that instead of Shiron. Reading the raws for volume 7 at the moment, and found that it's シーローン王国. Usually the long 'roon' (ローン) is used for words that sound like 'lawn' (as in the grass) or loan (as in the investment). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:55, 21 July 2014 (CDT)

At animesuki I saw them use Pax Shiron/Shirone instead of Pakkusu, since its a fairly well known latin word. Its also ironic considering the prince is anything but peaceful.--[[User:Nosobi|Nosobi]] ([[User talk:Nosobi|talk]]) 22:07, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== エリナリーゼ ==

Would like to suggest ending エリナリーゼ's name in lise or liese, as it is reminiscent of the German/French name ending. I'm currently suggesting Elinalise as it sounds like parts of a real name, but as I realise there's no long vowel in エリナ, I'm ambivalent towards both 'Elina' and 'Erina'. 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リーゼ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:21, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

It's only like that cause the earlier chapters were tl'ed like that and changed for consistency. If Kaito doesn't mind, i'll change 'erinarize' to 'Elinalise', 'begaritto' to 'begarit' and 'Shiron' to 'Shirone', should Zanto port/Wenport stay as it is or be changed to sand port/wind port? There was also talks about Girenu/Ghislaine/Guillain/Ghyslaine but a decision was never made. Please let me know if you want these changed [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 01:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Shouldn't this be discussed amongst the editors? Kaito himself has said that he'd leave things to the editors. I understand my place as well, and will obey the will of the majority. Still, I have the right to stubbornly try and change your minds lol. For one thing, I'm pretty sure Guillain is a man's name, and written as ギラン(giran). ギレーヌ (gireenu) is almost certainly Ghislaine or one of it's variants (Ghyslaine for example) and not Girenu. It's also not Ghislain because that's also a man's name (lol). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Yeah no way I want to change names without a consensus because I'll feel guilty if I destroy people's translations. However I went to AnimeSuki forum and even there they said the only consensus they ever come to is Orsted (instead of Orusuteddo or Orstedd) because there was a roman writing. If you guys need help I can go through and make the names consistent. Just tell us editors what to do. There're like 4-5 version of names out there including the online-translated stuff that didn't get romanized. Give us the trigger and I'll start referring to this page to fix all the names and terminologies. Unlike Vanant while I obey the will of the majority I have no reason to change peoples' minds lol because seems like a lot had already done their research. Oh, can we get more wiki/reference links in the page so new editors know why did people come up with the names? :) [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 10:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Was just reading [[User_talk:Pumkingboyz]] and [[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] was talking about flower names being used for Lilia, Ghislaine, Ginger, and Juliet. Was there a reason we're using Lylia instead of Lilia? Was it game reference? We're not prioritizing flower name usage? [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_%C3%98rsted Orsted.] also if it's the difference between male and female changing Ghislaine with Ghyslaine go with the feminine. Elinalize or whatever is fine. No real references found with her or aisha. Pakkusu should be Pax though, without a doubt, since 'Pax' means peace, and we know he is anything but peaceable. Lilia is not in any DQ game, though you might find it funny that our friend Cliff Grimoire is. From DQ4, also the origin of Zenith (Castle), Kurifuto was a PC if I remember my NES, and I don't. Take away the -to and you have Kurifu. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== ギュエス (gyuesu) ==

I suggest Gyes. In Japanese, the Hekatonkheir Gyes (Γύης) is romanised as ギュエス(gyuesu) or alternatively ギューエース(gyuueesu). Considering all this other shit the guy knows about Greek mythology I'm going to go out on a limb and suppose that he's heard of the hekatonkheires. In the first place, Gyes is one of the hekatonkheires that appears in Owari no Chronicle.

Incidentally, one of its other names is Gyges (Γύγης), is brought into Japanese as ギューゲース (gyuugeesu). 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヘカトンケイル [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Whoa, didn't see ^this link before. Go with that by all means.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:39, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== イゾルテ・クルーエル (izorute kuruueru) ==

Copy of conversation:

You need to have a look at how they romanise things here: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/トリスタンとイゾルデ

Isolde is イゾルデ(izorude) and Iseult is イズールト(izuuruto). You have the grounds to change Iseult to Isolte or something or other, but there's no grounds for you to say that "oh, it's not a 'so' sound but a 'zo' sound so let's change it to Izolte"
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

If you look, you'll notice that イゾルテ is neither of those - it is not ending in 'De', and second syllable is not 'Zu'. Modified reading of Isolde into Isolte, that corresponds to the change of 'de' to 'te', is as good reading as any, unless an example is found of word with existing translation with exactly that reading [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

You're missing my point completely, lol. I'm saying that no matter if it's a テ or a デ, "Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize'" is completely invalid. Iseult and Isolde are both transliterated as 'z' sounds (see righhhhhhhht above this message. I'll even bold it for you.). Not to be rude here, but you're going to have to learn that '''Japanese don't take pronounciation cues from English alone''', buddy. A great example is how they write 'Bach' lol. How about you tell me that バッハ isn't Bach, because Bach should end in a っく sound.

When it comes to fantasy names, they're usually not taken directly from an actual name/location name. That's why we do the best we can to find parts that they may have pieced together, or taken cues from. For example, Iseult and Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:44, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: For the record, I have no idea who this izorute character is lol. I'm just arguing because I can't agree with the basis behind [[User:SinsI|SinsI]]'s modification to Izolte (http://i59.tinypic.com/291gyuw.png). If he's being picky about the 'te' ending instead of 'de' ending, then use Isolte. It makes no sense to use 'izolte' when Japanese have clearly shown that they use イゾ to represent the 'iso' sound in Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:53, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

BTW I was just pointing Iseult wiki page out as the most likely origin for her character (matches her character description as well), Izolte, Izolde, Isolde, or Isolte all work IMO for names, it says right on the wiki page that Isolde is an alternative spelling for Iseult, put that through a Japanese pronunciation grinder and any of those work really. She appears in the Eris side stories along the later volumes, also in volume 16 chapter 5 Letter Arrives that I translated previously. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:23, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

@[[User:SinsI|SinsI]]: As I've said, if you're unhappy with Iseult, then use Isolte. There's no need for Izolte because 1) it's not a name 2) The 'iso' in 'Isolte' is read as 'イゾ(izo)' anyways. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 14:25, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

As much as I lit the fire here... Izolute was how I read it at first, and was just looking for what was phonetically close, because katakana is... well yeah. Honestly, I was wondering if Izolute wasn't some kind of counter word to something like Resolute. If not, I mean, you have Final Fantasy Tactics' good old [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Isilud_Tengille Izlude]it's literally one kana off. イズルード (Izoru-do) instead of イズルテ (Izorute). And we know this guy is all about Square-enix games. We can ignore this character for a while, but she will be dealt with during Eris side stories, and in vol.18 I believe. BUT I'm going to throw this out here. Tristina. Tristina is mentioned around this time as well and you have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_and_Iseult Tristan and Iseult]. I mean yeah it's somewhat stretching it, and honestly, I don't care enough to pursue it at this time. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== リニア(rinia) & プルセナ(purusena) ==

==プルセナ==
I feel that the Porsena Lars thing is grasping at straws a bit. First of all they write him as ポルセナ王(king porusena). Second of all he's not that famous. Pursena is probably just a made up name that Ludicrous Backscratcher came up with.

http://www.oct.zaq.ne.jp/poppo456/in/p_Publicola.htm (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/shizuo_asogawa/e/697fadb7ae033607473d74979fb4e891 (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://wikimatome.com/wiki/ポルセナ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

It's fine to do whatever on this one tbh, I'm not gonna be obstinate. Mainly because I've read this: [http://altneues.com/sagon/haevest/h/Haevest.html Haevest] which happens to have a character in it named Purusena, same as in this one.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:30, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Since her name matches with her sister, should we change that other girl to Tersena? Or should we go with Purusena for this one?
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 22:35, 29 July 2014 (CDT)

==リニア==
Linnea the flower would be リンネ(rinne) wouldn't it? http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リンネソウ

The only mention of リニア(rinia, the character's name) with regards to botanology would be the calandrinia (カランドリニア) so I'm pretty happy with Rinia as things are. ATM the idea that the author was going for some flower naming scheme seems just a tad dubious. Speaking fairly though, I'm only up to volume 8.

As for the Swedish name, it's リネア(rinea):

"スウェーデンで「リネア」は女の子の名前としても大変有名です。" - http://woodenhorse.shop-pro.jp/?pid=42910460 
"In Sweden, the girls' name 'Linnea' is very famous."

Hotel name transliterated as リネア(rinea), not リニア(rinia): http://www.jtb.co.jp/kaigai_fit/fr/v2/hotel/1081529/index.html;jsessionid=D04A45F1D49693C8E9605EEE5703A4C9

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

[https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%E3%83%AA%E3%83%8B%E3%82%A2+and+%E5%90%8D%E5%89%8D+and+Linnea Googled the following: リニア and 名前 and Linnea] It's legit. Some people do pronounce it Lin EE ah リニア, not just Lin AY uh リネア. Honestly if it was me, I wouldn't even attempt to localize any of these names. Until the end Rinia would be Rinia, Purusena Purusena, Gire-nu Gire-nu, etc. I worry that the people who want to do the manga scanlation (BTW chapter 1 is out in Monthly comic flapper- june issue) are going to be taking the naming cues from us. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:11, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

From experience the manga scanlators are worse in romanizing names. e.g. Lots of weird names for Hyouketsu Kyoukai no Eden first time, but the author himself did give the characters some hard-to-pronounce names tho lol. But yeah my first sentence still stands. [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:15, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Oh cool! Stand corrected. -salutes- [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 17:40, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== Bog? Quagmire? Morass? Marshland? Swamp? Mire? Fen? ==

Lets decide this please.

I prefer "Morass" because it makes for a great word in the following chapters.

But i'm willing to settle for "Marshland", "Mire" or "Fen".

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.

--Onizuka-GTO 03:30, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I stand by "Bog" first, he gets comments on how "dirty" his name sounds when his nickname comes up. Though just going with the simple "Mud" might work as well. "Rudeus of the Mud". "Rudmud" or "Mudeus" for short. Lol. That sounds so bad but I don't think his name was intended to sound cool. In terms of English transition Quagmire might work for comedic effect, "Oh Rudeus of the Quagmire you're so dirty~" It's like an unintended English reference. (Or maybe the Author was really just that bad ass to put that into consideration when he came up with it as a reference?) My opinion: 1. Bog, 2. Quagmire 3. Mud --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 04:23, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.
Have to agree with both of these, but the first comment in particular. Seeing peopel write it as 'bog' is just really uhh... Like, I can't imagine that anyone could associate that with respect lol.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 15:12, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

Okay, since Kaito makes a point that it shouldn't be "cool" i can understand it for later usage, but i really can't stand "bog" or "mud", "Quagmire" irritates me, but that's from a cultural standpoint and i suspect for non-western/Native English-speaking readers, the reference wouldn't be an issue.
So i propose that we stick with "Quagmire", as it is not anyones favourite and irritates us all equally, which can be used in later comedic instances.

Onizuka-GTO 01:05, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

== Voiceless or Chantless? ==

Which one? I'm seeing both in the translations.
[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 16:37, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I'm the one who usually uses Voiceless Incantations (I think it started from Silent's translations?), but that might assume he's still using the incantation just in his head. Chantless is the proper way of using it, and you're free to fix them if you see it. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 16:58, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

he doesn't "chant" per se, he "imagines" or virtually 3D builds the magic mentally, therefore i feel "chantless" is more accurate.
Onizuka-GTO 01:07, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

Chantless would certainly be closer to the term used in the Japanese. 無詠唱　[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 04:19, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

==Zenith Greyrat==

Has a decision been made on the name of Rudy mother's name?

its zenith but they havent been updated yet

== Rudi or Rudy? ==

Since someone is changing Rudi to Rudy, we should at least get consensus on this.
I prefer Rudi, but there's no real basis behind it.
--[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 21:36, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I like Rudi plus that's usually what's put on the translation -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:07, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I prefer Rudi as well, that's what Paul uses, that's what Sylphy uses...

Though occasionally they cut Rudeus short in context to Rude as well it's usually a surprised speech or that sort when it comesu p.. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 22:55, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

Talk:Mushoku Tensei Names and Terminology

2014-07-31T04:31:02Z

Marrow: /* Agreed on Terms */

== Misc ==
http://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/636576/ <--- Author BLOG character bio page (incomplete + spoilers)

http://ncode.syosetu.com/n9669bk/192/ <--- Map 3 raw page, if you want to figure out location names. I'm still bothered over Milis, Milishion, and Arusu (capital of Asura)

Thanks for making this page, it was needed though I'm not good with these types of translations. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 05:28, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

After trying to find out who Zenisu was, the need for such a page became obvious. Please put any names you stumble upon during translation into it so that we can make it uniform throughout the translations. We still need to decide on the variants, though (i.e. Janis or Janice?) [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 05:54, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

The names here and the names in the "Character Introductions" on the Main Page were written differently. Please fix it. --[[User:Yoyoyo5678|Yoyoyo5678]] ([[User talk:Yoyoyo5678|talk]])

Exact names are not yet stabilized. Usually the first translator to stumble upon one decides on it, but here even the same translator frequently switches from one romanization to another. Feel free to discuss any discrepancies here, so that we can select the best ones. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:06, 11 July 2014 (CDT)
Also, sometimes later information forces to correct earlier spelling. I.e. when choosing between Greyrat/Greyrait, later there is a reference to "mousy family name". [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:12, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

SilentWolfie translate Rapurasu(sp) the Demon Lord as Lapius. I think the name is a reference to Laplace's Demon. --[[User:Silereamer|Silereamer]] ([[User talk:Silereamer|talk]]) 02:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

I'd like to piggyback on the former comment about the discrepancy for Zenisu being translated as Janice instead of Zenith. The katakana and no less than 4 translation engines spit 'Zenith' out as a solid match. That being said I'll leave my naming contribs here and let you all decide where to go since I'm fielding vol.7 academy arc. Localization of names I'd rather leave to the editors, since they do the polishing anyways. ザノバ・シーローン Zanoba is an ethiopian name and quite common around north africa. No complaints about Shiron/Shirone as the territory surname attributed to him being prince. ギレーヌ・デドルディア Guillain Dedorudia it's a french name, and perhaps an ironic joke, considering Robert Guillain was a french author on works about the nation of japan who was also an eyewitness to the atom bomb drop on hiroshima (sounds like the mana calamity, right?) クリフ・グリモル Cliff Grimoire yet another play on words to his occupation. A grimoire being quite literally 'book of grammar', though this time in an esoteric sense, since he's quite knowledgeable on written magic formations having to do with the nature of summoning magic. ナナホシ should remain Nanahoshi instead of Sevenstar (or variant), at least until any wordplay becomes prevalent, though there is a great deal of mythos in this series dealing with the number 7. アリエル・アネモイ・アスラ Ariel Anemoi Asura is legit. 'Anemoi' is a greek psuedo-deity of the wind, with the lesser chief wind dieties being Eurus, Boreas, Notos, and Zephyrus (the Grayrat branches in the book) カラヴァッジョ　Caravaggio was a 16th century Italian Painter, other localizations of his name also include Caravage. イゾルテ (Izorute) sounds similar to 'Iseult' of Tristan and Isolde fame. A nice story or fast wikipedia read will show similar details in reference to plot involving her character... sort of anyway. キシリカ・キシリス Kishirika Kishirisu - keep the r's and drop the u if it makes it feel easier to the eyes, otherwise it's fine, I think it's personally a play on the word '軋る' Kishiru; which is an annoying sound like a floorboard squeak or the grating of a metal fence post when you swing it open. And considering her FUHAHAHAHAHA she does near every other line she is quite annoying when she's not being useful. (as well as Badi-Gadi and the other Immortal Devil Kings, there is appropriate wordplay for them as well.) For the beasts of the forest of milis continent ギュエス Gaius from the Dorudia tribe is a play on words and also associates with his daughter the dog-beast girl プルセナ Parusena (Lars Porsena, was a king who besieged rome at one point, and had an attempted assassination by a youth named Gaius, even though the youth failed, His bravado caused king Porsena to enact a peace treaty and lift the siege.) ミニトーナ Minito-na (Minnetona) and テルセナ Terusena (Tersena) I haven't found the complete wordplay on yet, so it might just be random, I'll do some looking into it later on if clues arise. 聖獣様 Seijuu-sama Lit. Esteemed Sacred Animal/Holy Beast-sama. He figures quite a bit in vol 18+ because of the importance of ララ (Lara? Lara just fits best in my mind anyway so far) so confirming what to call his name as should be important. Though He does end up being called "Leo" later on. リニア Rinia. No wordplay with this so far, so keeping this as such for now. I expect some wordplay will fall into place since she is something 人神／ヒトガミ Human God/Hitogami keeps throwing Rudeus' way. And it is important to differentiate 人神 Human God from just 神 God (who happens to be ロキシー/Roxy!). and lastly スペルド族 The Superudo Tribe. A couple takes see it as Spelled (as in having an obvious magic enchantment) and one that I didn't get at first, since my brain read it's katakana as 'Speared' having to do mainly with the tribe's affinity to spears which is a major crux of Ruijerd's plot. Anything is fine though. ラプラス Rapurasu is clearly a reference to the Demon of LaPlace, since he was one of the Immortal Demon Lords according to the 400-year history of the world (just currently sealed away in the fortress Chaos Breaker.) --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 03:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)--

^+100 points, that's some awesome reasoning and precisely why I'm no good with names. One thing on the Holy Beast, I've been translating it that way because of Holy sounds best for most aspects of that continent, technically that entire area uses Saint rather than Holy. IE Saint Beast-sama, Saint Milis, Saint Milis Country would be an alternative name for that one though since every other location is named Kingdom and Saint doesn't fit well as a country/kingdom name, I went with defining it as Holy Milis Kingdom. Also, it could have been taken as Sword Saint/Saint Sword Highway, I don't know if that could have some background in regards to Saint Beasts. One thing I do agree on is the meaning behind Superudo, I think I'm going to switch to using Speared for that one. Also, agree on Laplace Demon (Maxwell is a later mentioned character as well AKA Maxwell's Demon entertaining that page is linked to the Wiki page for Laplace, and Maxwell is related to Atofe I believe both who are related to Laplace if I'm remembering the events right).--[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 06:53, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

Wow, I didn't know there were so many Greek god references but I'm not surprised. About 人神, it's stated in chapter 160 「準備」 that the world knows him as 人神 (pronounced Jinshin) and Hitogami is more like a personal name that few people know, making his full name 人神ヒトガミ (Jinshin Hitogami, perhaps better translated as Human God Hitogami). Leaving his name in romaji also fits with all the times people ask others about him (for example, when Rudeus first asks Ruijerd about 人神, to which Rujierd quizically replies "ヒトガミ？"). That's my opinion. On a side note, I always thought キシリカ's name would sound good written as Kicilica Kicilice, as it seems etymologically similar to the 魔大陸 town リカリス which is close to リコリス/Licorice. Just figured I'd put it out there. (Alternative spelling for maximum mind-screw: Cicilica Cicilice.) --[[User:Myopius|Myopius]] ([[User talk:Myopius|talk]]) 05:34, 14 July 2014 (CDT)

Translations engines are not an authority on romanizations, as well as katakana. Best way to find romanizations for names is to look for known persons with such a romanization. Janice is just as good a match.
Guillain is ギラン, not even close to Girune, which is ギレーヌ [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 22:15, 15 July 2014 (CDT)

Sinisl, because naming sense in katakana is truly a troublesome thing, do you mind if I share how I even came to 'Guillain' as the translation? Before anything else, let me apologize now if I come off sounding rude, I don't mean it to be anything other than an objectionary statement.
Firstly, until just this edit, I haven't consulted a translation engine on the matter. Secondly, isn't ギルーネ Giru-ne and ギレーヌ Gire-nu? I sounded ''''レ'''' as ''le'' opposed to ''re'', and got Gilenu, which if you carry the re/le sound with the hyphen, you get a double vowel result ree/lee, which results in something like Gileenu. The '''ee''' coming off as similar to the ''a'' in s''a''y. Thirdly, is that this author does borrow his fantasy names from a wide range of European sources, and just sounding it out made my intuition say it was french.
But, then I decided to check out what the translation engines and pronunciation engines have to say on the matter, since you did have a good idea there, and got these links as what I guess would be empirical evidence for my claim on the name as Guillain.
[http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%AE%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8C Katakana to English similarities on ギレーヌ] and [http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=guillain French pronunciation of ギレーヌ] with the second link, to me at least the 're' can sound like a 'le' and the 'nu' is just pronounced softly. But if you have a better suggestion than that, please go for it. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, rather, I am just trying to help fill in troublesome blanks if I can. It can stay Gire-nu indefinitely if it's easier for everyone.
And as for ゼニス ... [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%82%B9 Katakana to English similarities for ゼニス]. '''Je'''nice is listed, and I can see a logical jump there, but '''Ja'''nice is more like '''ジャ'''ニス if it's JanISS as opposed to '''ジャ'''ニ'''ー'''ス if it's JahNEESE (yes, ask me how I know two women who pronounce their names that way as well -_-). I just can't wrap my head around the entire oversight of reading ゼ '''ze''' as ジャ '''ja'''. Plus, this author uses Rudeus to spout Dragon Quest related nonsense everywhere, and King Zenith ゼニス王 was a ruler of the floating castle of Dragon Quest 6 also happened to be a human instead of what the previous owners were: dragons, so it's not entirely implausible he would use that name using the Zenith->ChaosBreaker->Pergius chain, since Rudeus makes all those 'I became a sage...' jokes to hysterical comic relief, and Sage just happens to be a recurring class in the DQ series. Anyways, that's just speculation on my part, I just happen to see these weird puns like that littered throughout the novel. Anyway, once again I sincerely apologize if my remarks came off as rude, it is not intentional at all. I'm just trying to be constructive and informative about how I come to reach my naming suggestions. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:08, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ah, of course it is Girenu, eyes get tired of reading katakana so much. Wiki says Ghislaine Thesmar is written as ギレーヌ・テスマー, so that's one good reading right there that doesn't require any inventiveness. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:47, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ghislaine eh? wow that's beautiful, because you just pointed out something interesting. Both a Ghislaine ((Which does have a verifiable prounciation as "Gee-len" [http://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/ghislaine See audio result #2]) and Linnea (リニア)
("Lin-e-AH") [http://www.forvo.com/word/linn%C3%A9a/ Swedish pronunciation of Linnéa.] Are types of Foliage. Ghislaine being a Rose, and Linnea being a Twinflower. That becomes incredibly humorous when you think how Linnea and Pursena are almost always together. I don't think I would have caught that. Nice job!

Girenu or Ghislaine or Guillain or Ghyslaine? Confused cross-referencing this list and AnimeSuki for the names.. We are talking about one character - right? right?
Whenever you guys want I can try to walk through all the pages and fix the names given permission.. Because I'm in the mood for fixing the names.. If we ever reach a conclusion o_O [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 20:33, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

For now, I think we should just stick to the Names and Terminology page for consistency with the current Tled chapters. Once names are finalised, if they need to be changed, they can be done. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:25, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

Just throwing these ones out here again with links, but as Skuizaan already mentioned above possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamba_(mythology) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iseult Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarilo --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 09:13, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

They are a miss: Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize', Jarilo ends with 'ro', not with 'ru'. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Have to agree with [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] in that Jarilo is a complete miss. The 'j' in Jarilo is a 'y' sound: ヤリーロ
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヤリーロ [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 13:00, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Jarilo (Cyrillic: Ярило or Јарило; Polish: Jaryło; Template:Lang-slo; Croatian: Jura or Juraj; Serbian: Đurilo; Slavic: Jarovit), alternatively '''Yarilo, Iarilo,''' or Gerovit, was a Slavic god of vegetation, fertility and springtime. I think we should rename him Gerovit, lol. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== About Rudy's armor ==

It was actually spelled as madou yoroi = magic/magical armor, just like how 魔導書 was spelled as madoushou = magic/magical tome or grimoire for short (well, correct me if I was wrong ^ ^)--[[User:Endo|Endo]] ([[User talk:Endo|talk]]) 00:02, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

== Zantport and Wenport ==

Suggestion: If you're going to be liberal and translate 'wenpooto' as 'Windport', you may as well go the whole mile and translate 'zantopooto' as Sandport.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:01, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Reason being that Japanese don't have trouble rendering 'Wind' as 'Windo' e.g. the word ウィンドサーフィン, or the company 株式会社WIND also written as 株式会社ウィンド. Gunna be frank here; if the author is aware of a name like Ghislaine, then I'd bet that he knows 'wind' is not typically written as 'wen'. In other words, either he's hinting at 'wind', which makes it possible that 'zanto' is hinting at 'sand', or he didn't have 'wind' in mind at all, and it's supposed to be 'wenport'. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:46, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Be a rebel and translate it as Saint Port (though it is the Mirisu side). I didn't think Zanto had the sound of Sand, I guess that does sort of make sense after its pointed out. Names too hard for me I should just start naming all characters with letters, though I would run out and have to mix them with numbers, Rudeus is now called A1 in my translations... --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 01:15, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Gunna rebel and start using Rooday'Az.[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 11:52, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

As for the wenpooto/zantopooto business, I would like to let alllllll you editors know, that I personally feel that you either stay fundamentalist for both (Wenport and Zantport), or liberal for both (Windport and Sandport). Also, I don't think there's a problem with Begaritto IMO, unless someone finds convincingly corresponding sounds in names of European places. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: Also, still waiting on your input about changing the MC's name to Rooday'Az lol. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:27, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

When it comes to names I have no issue with any changes to them it's better if they're all the same across the board. Just try to avoid any names that might massively alter the meaning. That Special/Good Life thing in volume 7 bothers me a bit in such a way. I always thought of Girenu as a Gelaine kind of name but if you guys want to take that as a Ghyslaine, that's similar and fine, just don't expect me to remember how to type it out like that when I'm translating it later, your free to fix it after to whatever is decided. Also, I mentioned it as a joke before but after giving it some thought I seriously started to consider Zanto = Saint, Saint Port as a connection point between what should have been Country of Saint Milis and it's at one end of the Sword Saint Highway. Anyways, good luck with the names no need to ask me any further. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 07:45, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Mmn, I think Saint Port might be good too. I just suggested Sand Port because I found it weird that 'wenpooto' was taken so liberally (I don't think a normal Japanese would get 'wind' from 'ウェン'), but you guys didn't noticed that 'zantopooto' might be sand in that case. If anything, you should be using Wenport and Sandport, not Windport and Zantoport (which would be much more normal for Japanese).

The reason is because 'zanto' resembles the German/Dutch pronunciation of 'sand', and so the four letter combination 'sand' ends up as ザント in Japanese.

e.g. in Log Horizon, ザント is used in the name of a place called ザントリーフ (taken by most translators as Sand Leaf). e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ザントハウゼン (Sandhausen) 
e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/マルティン・ザントベルガー (Martin Sandberger) 

On the other hand, the four letter combination 'wind' is basically always ウィンド (windo) and not ウェン (wen). For this reason, imo the possible names should be like this, from most liberal to most fundamentalist:

1. Saint Port and Wind Port 
2. Sand Port and Wind Port 
3. Sandport and Wenport 
4. Zantport and Wenport 

And yeah, the Special/Good Life thing is bothering me as well lol. It's weird because in English we don't associate 'life' with 'student'. Readers might get the wrong impression. Honestly "the Good Life" sounds like the name of some pyramid scam.
Also I think that Gelaine might be a corruption of Ghislaine. I've personally never heard of Gelaine though, but it doesn't seem popular judging by google searches. It's just conjecture, but perhaps it's an 'alternate' spelling of Ghislaine. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 09:37, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== Shiron Kingdom ==

Throwing in support for 'Shirone' or something like that instead of Shiron. Reading the raws for volume 7 at the moment, and found that it's シーローン王国. Usually the long 'roon' (ローン) is used for words that sound like 'lawn' (as in the grass) or loan (as in the investment). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:55, 21 July 2014 (CDT)

At animesuki I saw them use Pax Shiron/Shirone instead of Pakkusu, since its a fairly well known latin word. Its also ironic considering the prince is anything but peaceful.--[[User:Nosobi|Nosobi]] ([[User talk:Nosobi|talk]]) 22:07, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== エリナリーゼ ==

Would like to suggest ending エリナリーゼ's name in lise or liese, as it is reminiscent of the German/French name ending. I'm currently suggesting Elinalise as it sounds like parts of a real name, but as I realise there's no long vowel in エリナ, I'm ambivalent towards both 'Elina' and 'Erina'. 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リーゼ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:21, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

It's only like that cause the earlier chapters were tl'ed like that and changed for consistency. If Kaito doesn't mind, i'll change 'erinarize' to 'Elinalise', 'begaritto' to 'begarit' and 'Shiron' to 'Shirone', should Zanto port/Wenport stay as it is or be changed to sand port/wind port? There was also talks about Girenu/Ghislaine/Guillain/Ghyslaine but a decision was never made. Please let me know if you want these changed [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 01:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Shouldn't this be discussed amongst the editors? Kaito himself has said that he'd leave things to the editors. I understand my place as well, and will obey the will of the majority. Still, I have the right to stubbornly try and change your minds lol. For one thing, I'm pretty sure Guillain is a man's name, and written as ギラン(giran). ギレーヌ (gireenu) is almost certainly Ghislaine or one of it's variants (Ghyslaine for example) and not Girenu. It's also not Ghislain because that's also a man's name (lol). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Yeah no way I want to change names without a consensus because I'll feel guilty if I destroy people's translations. However I went to AnimeSuki forum and even there they said the only consensus they ever come to is Orsted (instead of Orusuteddo or Orstedd) because there was a roman writing. If you guys need help I can go through and make the names consistent. Just tell us editors what to do. There're like 4-5 version of names out there including the online-translated stuff that didn't get romanized. Give us the trigger and I'll start referring to this page to fix all the names and terminologies. Unlike Vanant while I obey the will of the majority I have no reason to change peoples' minds lol because seems like a lot had already done their research. Oh, can we get more wiki/reference links in the page so new editors know why did people come up with the names? :) [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 10:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Was just reading [[User_talk:Pumkingboyz]] and [[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] was talking about flower names being used for Lilia, Ghislaine, Ginger, and Juliet. Was there a reason we're using Lylia instead of Lilia? Was it game reference? We're not prioritizing flower name usage? [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_%C3%98rsted Orsted.] also if it's the difference between male and female changing Ghislaine with Ghyslaine go with the feminine. Elinalize or whatever is fine. No real references found with her or aisha. Pakkusu should be Pax though, without a doubt, since 'Pax' means peace, and we know he is anything but peaceable. Lilia is not in any DQ game, though you might find it funny that our friend Cliff Grimoire is. From DQ4, also the origin of Zenith (Castle), Kurifuto was a PC if I remember my NES, and I don't. Take away the -to and you have Kurifu. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== ギュエス (gyuesu) ==

I suggest Gyes. In Japanese, the Hekatonkheir Gyes (Γύης) is romanised as ギュエス(gyuesu) or alternatively ギューエース(gyuueesu). Considering all this other shit the guy knows about Greek mythology I'm going to go out on a limb and suppose that he's heard of the hekatonkheires. In the first place, Gyes is one of the hekatonkheires that appears in Owari no Chronicle.

Incidentally, one of its other names is Gyges (Γύγης), is brought into Japanese as ギューゲース (gyuugeesu). 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヘカトンケイル [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Whoa, didn't see ^this link before. Go with that by all means.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:39, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== イゾルテ・クルーエル (izorute kuruueru) ==

Copy of conversation:

You need to have a look at how they romanise things here: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/トリスタンとイゾルデ

Isolde is イゾルデ(izorude) and Iseult is イズールト(izuuruto). You have the grounds to change Iseult to Isolte or something or other, but there's no grounds for you to say that "oh, it's not a 'so' sound but a 'zo' sound so let's change it to Izolte"
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

If you look, you'll notice that イゾルテ is neither of those - it is not ending in 'De', and second syllable is not 'Zu'. Modified reading of Isolde into Isolte, that corresponds to the change of 'de' to 'te', is as good reading as any, unless an example is found of word with existing translation with exactly that reading [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

You're missing my point completely, lol. I'm saying that no matter if it's a テ or a デ, "Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize'" is completely invalid. Iseult and Isolde are both transliterated as 'z' sounds (see righhhhhhhht above this message. I'll even bold it for you.). Not to be rude here, but you're going to have to learn that '''Japanese don't take pronounciation cues from English alone''', buddy. A great example is how they write 'Bach' lol. How about you tell me that バッハ isn't Bach, because Bach should end in a っく sound.

When it comes to fantasy names, they're usually not taken directly from an actual name/location name. That's why we do the best we can to find parts that they may have pieced together, or taken cues from. For example, Iseult and Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:44, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: For the record, I have no idea who this izorute character is lol. I'm just arguing because I can't agree with the basis behind [[User:SinsI|SinsI]]'s modification to Izolte (http://i59.tinypic.com/291gyuw.png). If he's being picky about the 'te' ending instead of 'de' ending, then use Isolte. It makes no sense to use 'izolte' when Japanese have clearly shown that they use イゾ to represent the 'iso' sound in Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:53, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

BTW I was just pointing Iseult wiki page out as the most likely origin for her character (matches her character description as well), Izolte, Izolde, Isolde, or Isolte all work IMO for names, it says right on the wiki page that Isolde is an alternative spelling for Iseult, put that through a Japanese pronunciation grinder and any of those work really. She appears in the Eris side stories along the later volumes, also in volume 16 chapter 5 Letter Arrives that I translated previously. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:23, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

@[[User:SinsI|SinsI]]: As I've said, if you're unhappy with Iseult, then use Isolte. There's no need for Izolte because 1) it's not a name 2) The 'iso' in 'Isolte' is read as 'イゾ(izo)' anyways. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 14:25, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

As much as I lit the fire here... Izolute was how I read it at first, and was just looking for what was phonetically close, because katakana is... well yeah. Honestly, I was wondering if Izolute wasn't some kind of counter word to something like Resolute. If not, I mean, you have Final Fantasy Tactics' good old [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Isilud_Tengille Izlude]it's literally one kana off. イズルード (Izoru-do) instead of イズルテ (Izorute). And we know this guy is all about Square-enix games. We can ignore this character for a while, but she will be dealt with during Eris side stories, and in vol.18 I believe. BUT I'm going to throw this out here. Tristina. Tristina is mentioned around this time as well and you have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_and_Iseult Tristan and Iseult]. I mean yeah it's somewhat stretching it, and honestly, I don't care enough to pursue it at this time. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== リニア(rinia) & プルセナ(purusena) ==

==プルセナ==
I feel that the Porsena Lars thing is grasping at straws a bit. First of all they write him as ポルセナ王(king porusena). Second of all he's not that famous. Pursena is probably just a made up name that Ludicrous Backscratcher came up with.

http://www.oct.zaq.ne.jp/poppo456/in/p_Publicola.htm (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/shizuo_asogawa/e/697fadb7ae033607473d74979fb4e891 (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://wikimatome.com/wiki/ポルセナ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

It's fine to do whatever on this one tbh, I'm not gonna be obstinate. Mainly because I've read this: [http://altneues.com/sagon/haevest/h/Haevest.html Haevest] which happens to have a character in it named Purusena, same as in this one.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:30, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Since her name matches with her sister, should we change that other girl to Tersena? Or should we go with Purusena for this one?
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 22:35, 29 July 2014 (CDT)

==リニア==
Linnea the flower would be リンネ(rinne) wouldn't it? http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リンネソウ

The only mention of リニア(rinia, the character's name) with regards to botanology would be the calandrinia (カランドリニア) so I'm pretty happy with Rinia as things are. ATM the idea that the author was going for some flower naming scheme seems just a tad dubious. Speaking fairly though, I'm only up to volume 8.

As for the Swedish name, it's リネア(rinea):

"スウェーデンで「リネア」は女の子の名前としても大変有名です。" - http://woodenhorse.shop-pro.jp/?pid=42910460 
"In Sweden, the girls' name 'Linnea' is very famous."

Hotel name transliterated as リネア(rinea), not リニア(rinia): http://www.jtb.co.jp/kaigai_fit/fr/v2/hotel/1081529/index.html;jsessionid=D04A45F1D49693C8E9605EEE5703A4C9

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

[https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%E3%83%AA%E3%83%8B%E3%82%A2+and+%E5%90%8D%E5%89%8D+and+Linnea Googled the following: リニア and 名前 and Linnea] It's legit. Some people do pronounce it Lin EE ah リニア, not just Lin AY uh リネア. Honestly if it was me, I wouldn't even attempt to localize any of these names. Until the end Rinia would be Rinia, Purusena Purusena, Gire-nu Gire-nu, etc. I worry that the people who want to do the manga scanlation (BTW chapter 1 is out in Monthly comic flapper- june issue) are going to be taking the naming cues from us. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:11, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

From experience the manga scanlators are worse in romanizing names. e.g. Lots of weird names for Hyouketsu Kyoukai no Eden first time, but the author himself did give the characters some hard-to-pronounce names tho lol. But yeah my first sentence still stands. [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:15, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Oh cool! Stand corrected. -salutes- [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 17:40, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== Bog? Quagmire? Morass? Marshland? Swamp? Mire? Fen? ==

Lets decide this please.

I prefer "Morass" because it makes for a great word in the following chapters.

But i'm willing to settle for "Marshland", "Mire" or "Fen".

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.

--Onizuka-GTO 03:30, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I stand by "Bog" first, he gets comments on how "dirty" his name sounds when his nickname comes up. Though just going with the simple "Mud" might work as well. "Rudeus of the Mud". "Rudmud" or "Mudeus" for short. Lol. That sounds so bad but I don't think his name was intended to sound cool. In terms of English transition Quagmire might work for comedic effect, "Oh Rudeus of the Quagmire you're so dirty~" It's like an unintended English reference. (Or maybe the Author was really just that bad ass to put that into consideration when he came up with it as a reference?) My opinion: 1. Bog, 2. Quagmire 3. Mud --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 04:23, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.
Have to agree with both of these, but the first comment in particular. Seeing peopel write it as 'bog' is just really uhh... Like, I can't imagine that anyone could associate that with respect lol.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 15:12, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

Okay, since Kaito makes a point that it shouldn't be "cool" i can understand it for later usage, but i really can't stand "bog" or "mud", "Quagmire" irritates me, but that's from a cultural standpoint and i suspect for non-western/Native English-speaking readers, the reference wouldn't be an issue.
So i propose that we stick with "Quagmire", as it is not anyones favourite and irritates us all equally, which can be used in later comedic instances.

Onizuka-GTO 01:05, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

== Voiceless or Chantless? ==

Which one? I'm seeing both in the translations.
[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 16:37, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I'm the one who usually uses Voiceless Incantations (I think it started from Silent's translations?), but that might assume he's still using the incantation just in his head. Chantless is the proper way of using it, and you're free to fix them if you see it. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 16:58, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

he doesn't "chant" per se, he "imagines" or virtually 3D builds the magic mentally, therefore i feel "chantless" is more accurate.
Onizuka-GTO 01:07, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

Chantless would certainly be closer to the term used in the Japanese. 無詠唱　[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 04:19, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

==Zenith Greyrat==

Has a decision been made on the name of Rudy mother's name?

its zenith but they havent been updated yet

== Rudi or Rudy? ==

Since someone is changing Rudi to Rudy, we should at least get consensus on this.
I prefer Rudi, but there's no real basis behind it.
--[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 21:36, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I like Rudi plus that's usually what's put on the translation -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:07, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I prefer Rudi as well, that's what Paul uses, that's what Sylphy uses...

Though occasionally they cut Rudeus short in context to Rude as well it's usually a surprised speech or that sort when it comesu p.. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 22:55, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

== Terms to determine ==

1. Rudi or Rudy for nickname

2. Lilia or Lilya

3. Laplis or Laplace (I've been using Laplace)

4. Rinnea/Linnea/Rinea (which 1)

Talk:Mushoku Tensei Names and Terminology

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== Misc ==
http://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/636576/ <--- Author BLOG character bio page (incomplete + spoilers)

http://ncode.syosetu.com/n9669bk/192/ <--- Map 3 raw page, if you want to figure out location names. I'm still bothered over Milis, Milishion, and Arusu (capital of Asura)

Thanks for making this page, it was needed though I'm not good with these types of translations. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 05:28, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

After trying to find out who Zenisu was, the need for such a page became obvious. Please put any names you stumble upon during translation into it so that we can make it uniform throughout the translations. We still need to decide on the variants, though (i.e. Janis or Janice?) [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 05:54, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

The names here and the names in the "Character Introductions" on the Main Page were written differently. Please fix it. --[[User:Yoyoyo5678|Yoyoyo5678]] ([[User talk:Yoyoyo5678|talk]])

Exact names are not yet stabilized. Usually the first translator to stumble upon one decides on it, but here even the same translator frequently switches from one romanization to another. Feel free to discuss any discrepancies here, so that we can select the best ones. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:06, 11 July 2014 (CDT)
Also, sometimes later information forces to correct earlier spelling. I.e. when choosing between Greyrat/Greyrait, later there is a reference to "mousy family name". [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:12, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

SilentWolfie translate Rapurasu(sp) the Demon Lord as Lapius. I think the name is a reference to Laplace's Demon. --[[User:Silereamer|Silereamer]] ([[User talk:Silereamer|talk]]) 02:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

I'd like to piggyback on the former comment about the discrepancy for Zenisu being translated as Janice instead of Zenith. The katakana and no less than 4 translation engines spit 'Zenith' out as a solid match. That being said I'll leave my naming contribs here and let you all decide where to go since I'm fielding vol.7 academy arc. Localization of names I'd rather leave to the editors, since they do the polishing anyways. ザノバ・シーローン Zanoba is an ethiopian name and quite common around north africa. No complaints about Shiron/Shirone as the territory surname attributed to him being prince. ギレーヌ・デドルディア Guillain Dedorudia it's a french name, and perhaps an ironic joke, considering Robert Guillain was a french author on works about the nation of japan who was also an eyewitness to the atom bomb drop on hiroshima (sounds like the mana calamity, right?) クリフ・グリモル Cliff Grimoire yet another play on words to his occupation. A grimoire being quite literally 'book of grammar', though this time in an esoteric sense, since he's quite knowledgeable on written magic formations having to do with the nature of summoning magic. ナナホシ should remain Nanahoshi instead of Sevenstar (or variant), at least until any wordplay becomes prevalent, though there is a great deal of mythos in this series dealing with the number 7. アリエル・アネモイ・アスラ Ariel Anemoi Asura is legit. 'Anemoi' is a greek psuedo-deity of the wind, with the lesser chief wind dieties being Eurus, Boreas, Notos, and Zephyrus (the Grayrat branches in the book) カラヴァッジョ　Caravaggio was a 16th century Italian Painter, other localizations of his name also include Caravage. イゾルテ (Izorute) sounds similar to 'Iseult' of Tristan and Isolde fame. A nice story or fast wikipedia read will show similar details in reference to plot involving her character... sort of anyway. キシリカ・キシリス Kishirika Kishirisu - keep the r's and drop the u if it makes it feel easier to the eyes, otherwise it's fine, I think it's personally a play on the word '軋る' Kishiru; which is an annoying sound like a floorboard squeak or the grating of a metal fence post when you swing it open. And considering her FUHAHAHAHAHA she does near every other line she is quite annoying when she's not being useful. (as well as Badi-Gadi and the other Immortal Devil Kings, there is appropriate wordplay for them as well.) For the beasts of the forest of milis continent ギュエス Gaius from the Dorudia tribe is a play on words and also associates with his daughter the dog-beast girl プルセナ Parusena (Lars Porsena, was a king who besieged rome at one point, and had an attempted assassination by a youth named Gaius, even though the youth failed, His bravado caused king Porsena to enact a peace treaty and lift the siege.) ミニトーナ Minito-na (Minnetona) and テルセナ Terusena (Tersena) I haven't found the complete wordplay on yet, so it might just be random, I'll do some looking into it later on if clues arise. 聖獣様 Seijuu-sama Lit. Esteemed Sacred Animal/Holy Beast-sama. He figures quite a bit in vol 18+ because of the importance of ララ (Lara? Lara just fits best in my mind anyway so far) so confirming what to call his name as should be important. Though He does end up being called "Leo" later on. リニア Rinia. No wordplay with this so far, so keeping this as such for now. I expect some wordplay will fall into place since she is something 人神／ヒトガミ Human God/Hitogami keeps throwing Rudeus' way. And it is important to differentiate 人神 Human God from just 神 God (who happens to be ロキシー/Roxy!). and lastly スペルド族 The Superudo Tribe. A couple takes see it as Spelled (as in having an obvious magic enchantment) and one that I didn't get at first, since my brain read it's katakana as 'Speared' having to do mainly with the tribe's affinity to spears which is a major crux of Ruijerd's plot. Anything is fine though. ラプラス Rapurasu is clearly a reference to the Demon of LaPlace, since he was one of the Immortal Demon Lords according to the 400-year history of the world (just currently sealed away in the fortress Chaos Breaker.) --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 03:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)--

^+100 points, that's some awesome reasoning and precisely why I'm no good with names. One thing on the Holy Beast, I've been translating it that way because of Holy sounds best for most aspects of that continent, technically that entire area uses Saint rather than Holy. IE Saint Beast-sama, Saint Milis, Saint Milis Country would be an alternative name for that one though since every other location is named Kingdom and Saint doesn't fit well as a country/kingdom name, I went with defining it as Holy Milis Kingdom. Also, it could have been taken as Sword Saint/Saint Sword Highway, I don't know if that could have some background in regards to Saint Beasts. One thing I do agree on is the meaning behind Superudo, I think I'm going to switch to using Speared for that one. Also, agree on Laplace Demon (Maxwell is a later mentioned character as well AKA Maxwell's Demon entertaining that page is linked to the Wiki page for Laplace, and Maxwell is related to Atofe I believe both who are related to Laplace if I'm remembering the events right).--[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 06:53, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

Wow, I didn't know there were so many Greek god references but I'm not surprised. About 人神, it's stated in chapter 160 「準備」 that the world knows him as 人神 (pronounced Jinshin) and Hitogami is more like a personal name that few people know, making his full name 人神ヒトガミ (Jinshin Hitogami, perhaps better translated as Human God Hitogami). Leaving his name in romaji also fits with all the times people ask others about him (for example, when Rudeus first asks Ruijerd about 人神, to which Rujierd quizically replies "ヒトガミ？"). That's my opinion. On a side note, I always thought キシリカ's name would sound good written as Kicilica Kicilice, as it seems etymologically similar to the 魔大陸 town リカリス which is close to リコリス/Licorice. Just figured I'd put it out there. (Alternative spelling for maximum mind-screw: Cicilica Cicilice.) --[[User:Myopius|Myopius]] ([[User talk:Myopius|talk]]) 05:34, 14 July 2014 (CDT)

Translations engines are not an authority on romanizations, as well as katakana. Best way to find romanizations for names is to look for known persons with such a romanization. Janice is just as good a match.
Guillain is ギラン, not even close to Girune, which is ギレーヌ [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 22:15, 15 July 2014 (CDT)

Sinisl, because naming sense in katakana is truly a troublesome thing, do you mind if I share how I even came to 'Guillain' as the translation? Before anything else, let me apologize now if I come off sounding rude, I don't mean it to be anything other than an objectionary statement.
Firstly, until just this edit, I haven't consulted a translation engine on the matter. Secondly, isn't ギルーネ Giru-ne and ギレーヌ Gire-nu? I sounded ''''レ'''' as ''le'' opposed to ''re'', and got Gilenu, which if you carry the re/le sound with the hyphen, you get a double vowel result ree/lee, which results in something like Gileenu. The '''ee''' coming off as similar to the ''a'' in s''a''y. Thirdly, is that this author does borrow his fantasy names from a wide range of European sources, and just sounding it out made my intuition say it was french.
But, then I decided to check out what the translation engines and pronunciation engines have to say on the matter, since you did have a good idea there, and got these links as what I guess would be empirical evidence for my claim on the name as Guillain.
[http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%AE%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8C Katakana to English similarities on ギレーヌ] and [http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=guillain French pronunciation of ギレーヌ] with the second link, to me at least the 're' can sound like a 'le' and the 'nu' is just pronounced softly. But if you have a better suggestion than that, please go for it. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, rather, I am just trying to help fill in troublesome blanks if I can. It can stay Gire-nu indefinitely if it's easier for everyone.
And as for ゼニス ... [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%82%B9 Katakana to English similarities for ゼニス]. '''Je'''nice is listed, and I can see a logical jump there, but '''Ja'''nice is more like '''ジャ'''ニス if it's JanISS as opposed to '''ジャ'''ニ'''ー'''ス if it's JahNEESE (yes, ask me how I know two women who pronounce their names that way as well -_-). I just can't wrap my head around the entire oversight of reading ゼ '''ze''' as ジャ '''ja'''. Plus, this author uses Rudeus to spout Dragon Quest related nonsense everywhere, and King Zenith ゼニス王 was a ruler of the floating castle of Dragon Quest 6 also happened to be a human instead of what the previous owners were: dragons, so it's not entirely implausible he would use that name using the Zenith->ChaosBreaker->Pergius chain, since Rudeus makes all those 'I became a sage...' jokes to hysterical comic relief, and Sage just happens to be a recurring class in the DQ series. Anyways, that's just speculation on my part, I just happen to see these weird puns like that littered throughout the novel. Anyway, once again I sincerely apologize if my remarks came off as rude, it is not intentional at all. I'm just trying to be constructive and informative about how I come to reach my naming suggestions. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:08, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ah, of course it is Girenu, eyes get tired of reading katakana so much. Wiki says Ghislaine Thesmar is written as ギレーヌ・テスマー, so that's one good reading right there that doesn't require any inventiveness. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:47, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ghislaine eh? wow that's beautiful, because you just pointed out something interesting. Both a Ghislaine ((Which does have a verifiable prounciation as "Gee-len" [http://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/ghislaine See audio result #2]) and Linnea (リニア)
("Lin-e-AH") [http://www.forvo.com/word/linn%C3%A9a/ Swedish pronunciation of Linnéa.] Are types of Foliage. Ghislaine being a Rose, and Linnea being a Twinflower. That becomes incredibly humorous when you think how Linnea and Pursena are almost always together. I don't think I would have caught that. Nice job!

Girenu or Ghislaine or Guillain or Ghyslaine? Confused cross-referencing this list and AnimeSuki for the names.. We are talking about one character - right? right?
Whenever you guys want I can try to walk through all the pages and fix the names given permission.. Because I'm in the mood for fixing the names.. If we ever reach a conclusion o_O [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 20:33, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

For now, I think we should just stick to the Names and Terminology page for consistency with the current Tled chapters. Once names are finalised, if they need to be changed, they can be done. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:25, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

Just throwing these ones out here again with links, but as Skuizaan already mentioned above possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamba_(mythology) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iseult Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarilo --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 09:13, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

They are a miss: Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize', Jarilo ends with 'ro', not with 'ru'. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Have to agree with [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] in that Jarilo is a complete miss. The 'j' in Jarilo is a 'y' sound: ヤリーロ
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヤリーロ [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 13:00, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Jarilo (Cyrillic: Ярило or Јарило; Polish: Jaryło; Template:Lang-slo; Croatian: Jura or Juraj; Serbian: Đurilo; Slavic: Jarovit), alternatively '''Yarilo, Iarilo,''' or Gerovit, was a Slavic god of vegetation, fertility and springtime. I think we should rename him Gerovit, lol. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== About Rudy's armor ==

It was actually spelled as madou yoroi = magic/magical armor, just like how 魔導書 was spelled as madoushou = magic/magical tome or grimoire for short (well, correct me if I was wrong ^ ^)--[[User:Endo|Endo]] ([[User talk:Endo|talk]]) 00:02, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

== Zantport and Wenport ==

Suggestion: If you're going to be liberal and translate 'wenpooto' as 'Windport', you may as well go the whole mile and translate 'zantopooto' as Sandport.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:01, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Reason being that Japanese don't have trouble rendering 'Wind' as 'Windo' e.g. the word ウィンドサーフィン, or the company 株式会社WIND also written as 株式会社ウィンド. Gunna be frank here; if the author is aware of a name like Ghislaine, then I'd bet that he knows 'wind' is not typically written as 'wen'. In other words, either he's hinting at 'wind', which makes it possible that 'zanto' is hinting at 'sand', or he didn't have 'wind' in mind at all, and it's supposed to be 'wenport'. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:46, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Be a rebel and translate it as Saint Port (though it is the Mirisu side). I didn't think Zanto had the sound of Sand, I guess that does sort of make sense after its pointed out. Names too hard for me I should just start naming all characters with letters, though I would run out and have to mix them with numbers, Rudeus is now called A1 in my translations... --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 01:15, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Gunna rebel and start using Rooday'Az.[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 11:52, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

As for the wenpooto/zantopooto business, I would like to let alllllll you editors know, that I personally feel that you either stay fundamentalist for both (Wenport and Zantport), or liberal for both (Windport and Sandport). Also, I don't think there's a problem with Begaritto IMO, unless someone finds convincingly corresponding sounds in names of European places. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: Also, still waiting on your input about changing the MC's name to Rooday'Az lol. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:27, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

When it comes to names I have no issue with any changes to them it's better if they're all the same across the board. Just try to avoid any names that might massively alter the meaning. That Special/Good Life thing in volume 7 bothers me a bit in such a way. I always thought of Girenu as a Gelaine kind of name but if you guys want to take that as a Ghyslaine, that's similar and fine, just don't expect me to remember how to type it out like that when I'm translating it later, your free to fix it after to whatever is decided. Also, I mentioned it as a joke before but after giving it some thought I seriously started to consider Zanto = Saint, Saint Port as a connection point between what should have been Country of Saint Milis and it's at one end of the Sword Saint Highway. Anyways, good luck with the names no need to ask me any further. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 07:45, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Mmn, I think Saint Port might be good too. I just suggested Sand Port because I found it weird that 'wenpooto' was taken so liberally (I don't think a normal Japanese would get 'wind' from 'ウェン'), but you guys didn't noticed that 'zantopooto' might be sand in that case. If anything, you should be using Wenport and Sandport, not Windport and Zantoport (which would be much more normal for Japanese).

The reason is because 'zanto' resembles the German/Dutch pronunciation of 'sand', and so the four letter combination 'sand' ends up as ザント in Japanese.

e.g. in Log Horizon, ザント is used in the name of a place called ザントリーフ (taken by most translators as Sand Leaf). e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ザントハウゼン (Sandhausen) 
e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/マルティン・ザントベルガー (Martin Sandberger) 

On the other hand, the four letter combination 'wind' is basically always ウィンド (windo) and not ウェン (wen). For this reason, imo the possible names should be like this, from most liberal to most fundamentalist:

1. Saint Port and Wind Port 
2. Sand Port and Wind Port 
3. Sandport and Wenport 
4. Zantport and Wenport 

And yeah, the Special/Good Life thing is bothering me as well lol. It's weird because in English we don't associate 'life' with 'student'. Readers might get the wrong impression. Honestly "the Good Life" sounds like the name of some pyramid scam.
Also I think that Gelaine might be a corruption of Ghislaine. I've personally never heard of Gelaine though, but it doesn't seem popular judging by google searches. It's just conjecture, but perhaps it's an 'alternate' spelling of Ghislaine. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 09:37, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== Shiron Kingdom ==

Throwing in support for 'Shirone' or something like that instead of Shiron. Reading the raws for volume 7 at the moment, and found that it's シーローン王国. Usually the long 'roon' (ローン) is used for words that sound like 'lawn' (as in the grass) or loan (as in the investment). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:55, 21 July 2014 (CDT)

At animesuki I saw them use Pax Shiron/Shirone instead of Pakkusu, since its a fairly well known latin word. Its also ironic considering the prince is anything but peaceful.--[[User:Nosobi|Nosobi]] ([[User talk:Nosobi|talk]]) 22:07, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== エリナリーゼ ==

Would like to suggest ending エリナリーゼ's name in lise or liese, as it is reminiscent of the German/French name ending. I'm currently suggesting Elinalise as it sounds like parts of a real name, but as I realise there's no long vowel in エリナ, I'm ambivalent towards both 'Elina' and 'Erina'. 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リーゼ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:21, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

It's only like that cause the earlier chapters were tl'ed like that and changed for consistency. If Kaito doesn't mind, i'll change 'erinarize' to 'Elinalise', 'begaritto' to 'begarit' and 'Shiron' to 'Shirone', should Zanto port/Wenport stay as it is or be changed to sand port/wind port? There was also talks about Girenu/Ghislaine/Guillain/Ghyslaine but a decision was never made. Please let me know if you want these changed [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 01:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Shouldn't this be discussed amongst the editors? Kaito himself has said that he'd leave things to the editors. I understand my place as well, and will obey the will of the majority. Still, I have the right to stubbornly try and change your minds lol. For one thing, I'm pretty sure Guillain is a man's name, and written as ギラン(giran). ギレーヌ (gireenu) is almost certainly Ghislaine or one of it's variants (Ghyslaine for example) and not Girenu. It's also not Ghislain because that's also a man's name (lol). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Yeah no way I want to change names without a consensus because I'll feel guilty if I destroy people's translations. However I went to AnimeSuki forum and even there they said the only consensus they ever come to is Orsted (instead of Orusuteddo or Orstedd) because there was a roman writing. If you guys need help I can go through and make the names consistent. Just tell us editors what to do. There're like 4-5 version of names out there including the online-translated stuff that didn't get romanized. Give us the trigger and I'll start referring to this page to fix all the names and terminologies. Unlike Vanant while I obey the will of the majority I have no reason to change peoples' minds lol because seems like a lot had already done their research. Oh, can we get more wiki/reference links in the page so new editors know why did people come up with the names? :) [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 10:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Was just reading [[User_talk:Pumkingboyz]] and [[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] was talking about flower names being used for Lilia, Ghislaine, Ginger, and Juliet. Was there a reason we're using Lylia instead of Lilia? Was it game reference? We're not prioritizing flower name usage? [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_%C3%98rsted Orsted.] also if it's the difference between male and female changing Ghislaine with Ghyslaine go with the feminine. Elinalize or whatever is fine. No real references found with her or aisha. Pakkusu should be Pax though, without a doubt, since 'Pax' means peace, and we know he is anything but peaceable. Lilia is not in any DQ game, though you might find it funny that our friend Cliff Grimoire is. From DQ4, also the origin of Zenith (Castle), Kurifuto was a PC if I remember my NES, and I don't. Take away the -to and you have Kurifu. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== ギュエス (gyuesu) ==

I suggest Gyes. In Japanese, the Hekatonkheir Gyes (Γύης) is romanised as ギュエス(gyuesu) or alternatively ギューエース(gyuueesu). Considering all this other shit the guy knows about Greek mythology I'm going to go out on a limb and suppose that he's heard of the hekatonkheires. In the first place, Gyes is one of the hekatonkheires that appears in Owari no Chronicle.

Incidentally, one of its other names is Gyges (Γύγης), is brought into Japanese as ギューゲース (gyuugeesu). 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヘカトンケイル [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Whoa, didn't see ^this link before. Go with that by all means.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:39, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== イゾルテ・クルーエル (izorute kuruueru) ==

Copy of conversation:

You need to have a look at how they romanise things here: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/トリスタンとイゾルデ

Isolde is イゾルデ(izorude) and Iseult is イズールト(izuuruto). You have the grounds to change Iseult to Isolte or something or other, but there's no grounds for you to say that "oh, it's not a 'so' sound but a 'zo' sound so let's change it to Izolte"
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

If you look, you'll notice that イゾルテ is neither of those - it is not ending in 'De', and second syllable is not 'Zu'. Modified reading of Isolde into Isolte, that corresponds to the change of 'de' to 'te', is as good reading as any, unless an example is found of word with existing translation with exactly that reading [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

You're missing my point completely, lol. I'm saying that no matter if it's a テ or a デ, "Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize'" is completely invalid. Iseult and Isolde are both transliterated as 'z' sounds (see righhhhhhhht above this message. I'll even bold it for you.). Not to be rude here, but you're going to have to learn that '''Japanese don't take pronounciation cues from English alone''', buddy. A great example is how they write 'Bach' lol. How about you tell me that バッハ isn't Bach, because Bach should end in a っく sound.

When it comes to fantasy names, they're usually not taken directly from an actual name/location name. That's why we do the best we can to find parts that they may have pieced together, or taken cues from. For example, Iseult and Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:44, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: For the record, I have no idea who this izorute character is lol. I'm just arguing because I can't agree with the basis behind [[User:SinsI|SinsI]]'s modification to Izolte (http://i59.tinypic.com/291gyuw.png). If he's being picky about the 'te' ending instead of 'de' ending, then use Isolte. It makes no sense to use 'izolte' when Japanese have clearly shown that they use イゾ to represent the 'iso' sound in Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:53, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

BTW I was just pointing Iseult wiki page out as the most likely origin for her character (matches her character description as well), Izolte, Izolde, Isolde, or Isolte all work IMO for names, it says right on the wiki page that Isolde is an alternative spelling for Iseult, put that through a Japanese pronunciation grinder and any of those work really. She appears in the Eris side stories along the later volumes, also in volume 16 chapter 5 Letter Arrives that I translated previously. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:23, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

@[[User:SinsI|SinsI]]: As I've said, if you're unhappy with Iseult, then use Isolte. There's no need for Izolte because 1) it's not a name 2) The 'iso' in 'Isolte' is read as 'イゾ(izo)' anyways. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 14:25, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

As much as I lit the fire here... Izolute was how I read it at first, and was just looking for what was phonetically close, because katakana is... well yeah. Honestly, I was wondering if Izolute wasn't some kind of counter word to something like Resolute. If not, I mean, you have Final Fantasy Tactics' good old [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Isilud_Tengille Izlude]it's literally one kana off. イズルード (Izoru-do) instead of イズルテ (Izorute). And we know this guy is all about Square-enix games. We can ignore this character for a while, but she will be dealt with during Eris side stories, and in vol.18 I believe. BUT I'm going to throw this out here. Tristina. Tristina is mentioned around this time as well and you have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_and_Iseult Tristan and Iseult]. I mean yeah it's somewhat stretching it, and honestly, I don't care enough to pursue it at this time. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== リニア(rinia) & プルセナ(purusena) ==

==プルセナ==
I feel that the Porsena Lars thing is grasping at straws a bit. First of all they write him as ポルセナ王(king porusena). Second of all he's not that famous. Pursena is probably just a made up name that Ludicrous Backscratcher came up with.

http://www.oct.zaq.ne.jp/poppo456/in/p_Publicola.htm (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/shizuo_asogawa/e/697fadb7ae033607473d74979fb4e891 (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://wikimatome.com/wiki/ポルセナ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

It's fine to do whatever on this one tbh, I'm not gonna be obstinate. Mainly because I've read this: [http://altneues.com/sagon/haevest/h/Haevest.html Haevest] which happens to have a character in it named Purusena, same as in this one.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:30, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Since her name matches with her sister, should we change that other girl to Tersena? Or should we go with Purusena for this one?
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 22:35, 29 July 2014 (CDT)

==リニア==
Linnea the flower would be リンネ(rinne) wouldn't it? http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リンネソウ

The only mention of リニア(rinia, the character's name) with regards to botanology would be the calandrinia (カランドリニア) so I'm pretty happy with Rinia as things are. ATM the idea that the author was going for some flower naming scheme seems just a tad dubious. Speaking fairly though, I'm only up to volume 8.

As for the Swedish name, it's リネア(rinea):

"スウェーデンで「リネア」は女の子の名前としても大変有名です。" - http://woodenhorse.shop-pro.jp/?pid=42910460 
"In Sweden, the girls' name 'Linnea' is very famous."

Hotel name transliterated as リネア(rinea), not リニア(rinia): http://www.jtb.co.jp/kaigai_fit/fr/v2/hotel/1081529/index.html;jsessionid=D04A45F1D49693C8E9605EEE5703A4C9

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

[https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%E3%83%AA%E3%83%8B%E3%82%A2+and+%E5%90%8D%E5%89%8D+and+Linnea Googled the following: リニア and 名前 and Linnea] It's legit. Some people do pronounce it Lin EE ah リニア, not just Lin AY uh リネア. Honestly if it was me, I wouldn't even attempt to localize any of these names. Until the end Rinia would be Rinia, Purusena Purusena, Gire-nu Gire-nu, etc. I worry that the people who want to do the manga scanlation (BTW chapter 1 is out in Monthly comic flapper- june issue) are going to be taking the naming cues from us. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:11, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

From experience the manga scanlators are worse in romanizing names. e.g. Lots of weird names for Hyouketsu Kyoukai no Eden first time, but the author himself did give the characters some hard-to-pronounce names tho lol. But yeah my first sentence still stands. [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:15, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Oh cool! Stand corrected. -salutes- [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 17:40, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== Bog? Quagmire? Morass? Marshland? Swamp? Mire? Fen? ==

Lets decide this please.

I prefer "Morass" because it makes for a great word in the following chapters.

But i'm willing to settle for "Marshland", "Mire" or "Fen".

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.

--Onizuka-GTO 03:30, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I stand by "Bog" first, he gets comments on how "dirty" his name sounds when his nickname comes up. Though just going with the simple "Mud" might work as well. "Rudeus of the Mud". "Rudmud" or "Mudeus" for short. Lol. That sounds so bad but I don't think his name was intended to sound cool. In terms of English transition Quagmire might work for comedic effect, "Oh Rudeus of the Quagmire you're so dirty~" It's like an unintended English reference. (Or maybe the Author was really just that bad ass to put that into consideration when he came up with it as a reference?) My opinion: 1. Bog, 2. Quagmire 3. Mud --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 04:23, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.
Have to agree with both of these, but the first comment in particular. Seeing peopel write it as 'bog' is just really uhh... Like, I can't imagine that anyone could associate that with respect lol.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 15:12, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

Okay, since Kaito makes a point that it shouldn't be "cool" i can understand it for later usage, but i really can't stand "bog" or "mud", "Quagmire" irritates me, but that's from a cultural standpoint and i suspect for non-western/Native English-speaking readers, the reference wouldn't be an issue.
So i propose that we stick with "Quagmire", as it is not anyones favourite and irritates us all equally, which can be used in later comedic instances.

Onizuka-GTO 01:05, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

== Voiceless or Chantless? ==

Which one? I'm seeing both in the translations.
[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 16:37, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I'm the one who usually uses Voiceless Incantations (I think it started from Silent's translations?), but that might assume he's still using the incantation just in his head. Chantless is the proper way of using it, and you're free to fix them if you see it. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 16:58, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

he doesn't "chant" per se, he "imagines" or virtually 3D builds the magic mentally, therefore i feel "chantless" is more accurate.
Onizuka-GTO 01:07, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

Chantless would certainly be closer to the term used in the Japanese. 無詠唱　[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 04:19, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

==Zenith Greyrat==

Has a decision been made on the name of Rudy mother's name?

its zenith but they havent been updated yet

== Rudi or Rudy? ==

Since someone is changing Rudi to Rudy, we should at least get consensus on this.
I prefer Rudi, but there's no real basis behind it.
--[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 21:36, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I like Rudi plus that's usually what's put on the translation -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:07, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I prefer Rudi as well, that's what Paul uses, that's what Sylphy uses...

Though occasionally they cut Rudeus short in context to Rude as well it's usually a surprised speech or that sort when it comesu p.. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 22:55, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

== Terms to determine ==

1. Rudi or Rudy for nickname

2. Lilia or Lilya

3. Laplis or Laplace (I've been using Laplace)

4. Rinnea/Linnea/Rinea (which 1)

== Agreed on Terms ==

Can we have definitive names for characters and places. I keep on finding different versions of names for locations and people which is frankly irritating since I'm not sure sometimes if it's a new character or what to change it to. Y'all seem to have agreed on a few, but can we list them down here rather than in the discussion up top. Just put them down below so we can change it to be consistent throughout rather than how it is currently. I know it's difficult to decide on the proper name, but it would be very helpful if we had something to base our edits on. I was planning on going back through the chapters and doing some edits since I've got some free time.-[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:51, 30 July 2014

1. Rudeus Greyrat

2. Paul Greyrat

3. Zenith Greyrat (Rather than Janice)

4. Roxy Migurudia

5. Sylphiette (Sylphy as nickname)

6. Eris Boreas Greyrat

7. Zanoba

User talk:Dark Kaito

2014-07-31T04:15:45Z

Marrow: /* Mushoku Tensai edits */

== Mushoku Tensai edits ==
Just wanted to confirm if i can makes these changes as it alter the meaning slighty v4 c3

I can see two or three blurs. /if I can/

It means that the future is always undergoing changes.

Three seconds, four seconds, I can see that far into the future, but when you get to five seconds there are several tens of future possibilities blurring together. /I can see three to four seconds into the future but when I get to ../

No one will have to endure anything, it's the number one smart method, isn't it? /efficient method instead of smart/

If Rujierudo has that sort of intention then we'll stop with smart. / stop with that? O stop and won't sell the the wand?/

-- [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]]

I think most of those lines are better left in their original form matching the translation. In regards to the smart thing, the word smart was used in English that's why I used that word specifically.

In regards to the future stuff, there's no if about it he can clearly see several blurring futures when he uses it too far. In the second part the the line starts with him saying, "Three, Four, I can go that far but after I get to Five there are tens of possibilities", etc... imagine it kind of like having 10s of transparent windows on a computer all lined up partially overlapping that's how he sees the future, and the further he looks the more screens it adds on, there's no limit to how far past five seconds, it just become too many screens to differentiate them and puts more burden on his brain.

--[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito#top|talk]]) 23:54, 10 July 2014 (CDT)

Then he started to tell us about how much of a failure, how inappropriate she was as a younger sister and such, Girenu was in a voice filled with indifferent emotion. -- is it suppose to be Gyuesu instead of Girenu, as he is the one that is talking about her. V4 c8. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]]

Yes, Gyuesu is basically remembering back to how unpleasant his little sister Girenu was, I had trouble with the wording for that one, but he felt that Girenu wasn't worthy of being his little sister/family. She was a shame to the family in his opinion, and that was also filled with hostility from his own bad experiences with her (she was stronger than him). --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito#top|talk]]) 09:05, 12 July 2014 (CDT)

Kaito, I'm just translating the words, as far as spacing or cosmetic issues goes of any of my submissions, whatever makes it appear easier to read or navigate is fine. Honestly, I'm pretty bad with wiki-code and formatting. BTW, you are a beast hammering out all those chapters so fast. Splendid work! --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 18:26, 17 July 2014 (CDT)

You are a god sir! [[User:Bunnybacon|Bunnybacon]] ([[User talk:Bunnybacon|talk]]) 23:14, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

Just to clarify before i make some changes 'Dorudia' is the village name and 'Dedorudia' is the race, cause there are times where 'Dorudia race' is used instead of 'Dedorudia race'. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:36, 19 July 2014 (CDT)

I can't remember if that's my mistake or the authors, but yes they are generally slightly different, Dorudia is the village and Dedorudia is the race. I type them out on auto based on what I see so it might have been my mistake or incorrect in the text, feel free to fix it. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito#top|talk]]) 07:16, 19 July 2014 (CDT)

In relation to Dorudia and whatnot, it's specified that the branches are based on genus type of beast clan.: Dorudo is the root word, treated like Migurudo or Superudo. It becomed Dorudia when specifically referenced. Those of the "A" branch: become Adorudia, usually these would be those of the Canine Dorudia lineage (In the upcoming case of Pursena). Those of the "De" branch are Dedorudia, and those are usually of the Feline Dorudia lineage (in this case, Gaius, Ghyslaine, Linnea etc.), since the Canine/Feline branches of the beast clan are considered to be "royalty." At least that is what I came across on my first run through the explanations. Pretty sure it gets mentioned a bit in V7CH4-5 or V8CH3-4. Also, Kaito, I asked a buddy about Tokubetsu Sei a bit when I had the chance, and he mentioned that when used in the context of a school setting, it is a rather outdated (Showa Era) way of saying "Exchange Student." Apparently, it has other connotations as well depending on the situation it's used in, insofar as it can also be loosely translated to something like "Custom-made." (It's a common enough phrase in most GunPla communities when talking about self made or original fabrication builds.) Considering the fact that our dear Rudeus happens to be a Showa Era PlaMo enthusiast, it makes sense that he would use it that way. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 00:04, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

I've updated the Naming page could you double check before i make thses changes in couple days [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:37, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Not sure if you will see this soon since you're on break. I'm posting here instead of the [[Talk:Mushoku_Tensei:Volume_06_Chapter_9|talk page]] since it's a general thing that applies to multiple chapters. You said "so it's basically the same name said twice in two different ways as most abilities are in Mushoku" but I think you're misinterpreting the formatting. The author uses parentheses () for furigana in many cases. In earlier chapters the author uses them for many things, but I just went through vol 12-13 and aside from some voiced thoughts on lines by themselves, every use of parentheses is definitely furigana. Examples of terms with furigana are magic item, magic armor, elf/dwarf/hobbit. The author also specified how 人神 is pronounced Jinshin (in chapter 179 using parentheses for furigana, but even earlier a fan asked the author "How is it pronounced?" and [http://seesaawiki.jp/musyo-ten/d/%b3%e8%c6%b0%ca%f3%b9%f0%a4%e8%a4%ea|was told Jinshin in return]). In particular, spells often have an English-based pronunciation specified in furigana. But furigana for terms isn't stated every time it's used, usually just the first time and whenever the author wants to remind the reader. 岩砲弾 is ストーンキャノン (Stone Cannon/Stonecannon), 乱魔 is ディスタブ・マジック (Disturb Magic). (Of course, it wouldn't make sense to write Stone Cannon every time 岩砲弾 appears, since that term is usually used to refer to the bullet/cannonball itself rather than just the name of the spell which summons it; I didn't do so for the chapter I translated.) So for example, every time Rudeus or Orsted says 乱魔, even if there's no parentheses next to it, you can assume he's actually voicing it as Disturb Magic. [[User:Myopius|Myopius]] ([[User talk:Myopius|talk]]) 07:23, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

Something happened to links after volume four???

It looks like the change to the format has broken the ability to read the chapters in the collapsed area with the Baka-tsuki app, can you please fix this/return it to the way it was? 00:29, 28 July 2014 (CDT)

Hi well how should i say that ,i wanted to register for the volume first i was told it can only be done by 2 translator and i couldent wait to translat the volume 9 because i wanted to read it or should i call it i was runing out of time so i used i machine translation but in the end i didnt understand the context so i posted it as a ( PREVIEW) not to complet or to cause trouble
just to read it you are free to change it or edit even delet is not a probleme [[User:COTHER|COTHER]] ([[User talk:COTHER|talk]])

thanks feel free free to do as you like [[User:COTHER|COTHER]] ([[User talk:COTHER|talk]])

WERE I CAN LEARN JAPEN EASLY using the net mean self study if you have anybook that can help please advice
it to me i dont whant to rely on machine translation but my one reading of the story [[User:COTHER|COTHER]] ([[User talk:COTHER|talk]])

Hi Dark Kaito, im one of the editors, i just read that you use MT along with kanji, and i was honestly surprised since it dosnt seem so. I wanted to congratulate you for the effort you put in those chapters you have done. I have edited some of your chapters and honestly there were just some minor mistakes and redaction issues easy to fix. Don't Think So Lowly Of Yourself. I also want to advance forward with mushoku tensei and your help is well recieved. I also enjoy editing the chapters you do. So lets keep up the pace! (though in a week i enter university so things will get messier for me lol) [[User:Trejon|Trejon]] ([[User talk:Trejon|talk]])
PD: i took the liberty to fix COTHER comments since he didnt put his name at the end and just added new titles.

There was another Title there before someone changed it, that's why it got lost there, the question was this.

Although, it seems there are outstanding talents like Sylphy and Cliff once in every ten years.

Outstanding talents once in every ten years.

That means every year there's one guy like that.

'''The first 2 lines say that those talents come along 1 every 10 years, but the last line from my interpretation is that it's 1 every 1 year'''

I was going to fix the third line so it matches with the other 2 just wanted to make sure that the first 2 were correct, I'm probably just going to fix it now. -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 23:12, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

User talk:Dark Kaito

2014-07-31T04:12:41Z

Marrow:

== Mushoku Tensai edits ==
Just wanted to confirm if i can makes these changes as it alter the meaning slighty v4 c3

I can see two or three blurs. /if I can/

It means that the future is always undergoing changes.

Three seconds, four seconds, I can see that far into the future, but when you get to five seconds there are several tens of future possibilities blurring together. /I can see three to four seconds into the future but when I get to ../

No one will have to endure anything, it's the number one smart method, isn't it? /efficient method instead of smart/

If Rujierudo has that sort of intention then we'll stop with smart. / stop with that? O stop and won't sell the the wand?/

-- [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]]

I think most of those lines are better left in their original form matching the translation. In regards to the smart thing, the word smart was used in English that's why I used that word specifically.

In regards to the future stuff, there's no if about it he can clearly see several blurring futures when he uses it too far. In the second part the the line starts with him saying, "Three, Four, I can go that far but after I get to Five there are tens of possibilities", etc... imagine it kind of like having 10s of transparent windows on a computer all lined up partially overlapping that's how he sees the future, and the further he looks the more screens it adds on, there's no limit to how far past five seconds, it just become too many screens to differentiate them and puts more burden on his brain.

--[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito#top|talk]]) 23:54, 10 July 2014 (CDT)

Then he started to tell us about how much of a failure, how inappropriate she was as a younger sister and such, Girenu was in a voice filled with indifferent emotion. -- is it suppose to be Gyuesu instead of Girenu, as he is the one that is talking about her. V4 c8. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]]

Yes, Gyuesu is basically remembering back to how unpleasant his little sister Girenu was, I had trouble with the wording for that one, but he felt that Girenu wasn't worthy of being his little sister/family. She was a shame to the family in his opinion, and that was also filled with hostility from his own bad experiences with her (she was stronger than him). --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito#top|talk]]) 09:05, 12 July 2014 (CDT)

Kaito, I'm just translating the words, as far as spacing or cosmetic issues goes of any of my submissions, whatever makes it appear easier to read or navigate is fine. Honestly, I'm pretty bad with wiki-code and formatting. BTW, you are a beast hammering out all those chapters so fast. Splendid work! --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 18:26, 17 July 2014 (CDT)

You are a god sir! [[User:Bunnybacon|Bunnybacon]] ([[User talk:Bunnybacon|talk]]) 23:14, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

Just to clarify before i make some changes 'Dorudia' is the village name and 'Dedorudia' is the race, cause there are times where 'Dorudia race' is used instead of 'Dedorudia race'. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:36, 19 July 2014 (CDT)

I can't remember if that's my mistake or the authors, but yes they are generally slightly different, Dorudia is the village and Dedorudia is the race. I type them out on auto based on what I see so it might have been my mistake or incorrect in the text, feel free to fix it. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito#top|talk]]) 07:16, 19 July 2014 (CDT)

In relation to Dorudia and whatnot, it's specified that the branches are based on genus type of beast clan.: Dorudo is the root word, treated like Migurudo or Superudo. It becomed Dorudia when specifically referenced. Those of the "A" branch: become Adorudia, usually these would be those of the Canine Dorudia lineage (In the upcoming case of Pursena). Those of the "De" branch are Dedorudia, and those are usually of the Feline Dorudia lineage (in this case, Gaius, Ghyslaine, Linnea etc.), since the Canine/Feline branches of the beast clan are considered to be "royalty." At least that is what I came across on my first run through the explanations. Pretty sure it gets mentioned a bit in V7CH4-5 or V8CH3-4. Also, Kaito, I asked a buddy about Tokubetsu Sei a bit when I had the chance, and he mentioned that when used in the context of a school setting, it is a rather outdated (Showa Era) way of saying "Exchange Student." Apparently, it has other connotations as well depending on the situation it's used in, insofar as it can also be loosely translated to something like "Custom-made." (It's a common enough phrase in most GunPla communities when talking about self made or original fabrication builds.) Considering the fact that our dear Rudeus happens to be a Showa Era PlaMo enthusiast, it makes sense that he would use it that way. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 00:04, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

I've updated the Naming page could you double check before i make thses changes in couple days [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:37, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Not sure if you will see this soon since you're on break. I'm posting here instead of the [[Talk:Mushoku_Tensei:Volume_06_Chapter_9|talk page]] since it's a general thing that applies to multiple chapters. You said "so it's basically the same name said twice in two different ways as most abilities are in Mushoku" but I think you're misinterpreting the formatting. The author uses parentheses () for furigana in many cases. In earlier chapters the author uses them for many things, but I just went through vol 12-13 and aside from some voiced thoughts on lines by themselves, every use of parentheses is definitely furigana. Examples of terms with furigana are magic item, magic armor, elf/dwarf/hobbit. The author also specified how 人神 is pronounced Jinshin (in chapter 179 using parentheses for furigana, but even earlier a fan asked the author "How is it pronounced?" and [http://seesaawiki.jp/musyo-ten/d/%b3%e8%c6%b0%ca%f3%b9%f0%a4%e8%a4%ea|was told Jinshin in return]). In particular, spells often have an English-based pronunciation specified in furigana. But furigana for terms isn't stated every time it's used, usually just the first time and whenever the author wants to remind the reader. 岩砲弾 is ストーンキャノン (Stone Cannon/Stonecannon), 乱魔 is ディスタブ・マジック (Disturb Magic). (Of course, it wouldn't make sense to write Stone Cannon every time 岩砲弾 appears, since that term is usually used to refer to the bullet/cannonball itself rather than just the name of the spell which summons it; I didn't do so for the chapter I translated.) So for example, every time Rudeus or Orsted says 乱魔, even if there's no parentheses next to it, you can assume he's actually voicing it as Disturb Magic. [[User:Myopius|Myopius]] ([[User talk:Myopius|talk]]) 07:23, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

Something happened to links after volume four???

It looks like the change to the format has broken the ability to read the chapters in the collapsed area with the Baka-tsuki app, can you please fix this/return it to the way it was? 00:29, 28 July 2014 (CDT)

Hi well how should i say that ,i wanted to register for the volume first i was told it can only be done by 2 translator and i couldent wait to translat the volume 9 because i wanted to read it or should i call it i was runing out of time so i used i machine translation but in the end i didnt understand the context so i posted it as a ( PREVIEW) not to complet or to cause trouble
just to read it you are free to change it or edit even delet is not a probleme [[User:COTHER|COTHER]] ([[User talk:COTHER|talk]])

thanks feel free free to do as you like [[User:COTHER|COTHER]] ([[User talk:COTHER|talk]])

WERE I CAN LEARN JAPEN EASLY using the net mean self study if you have anybook that can help please advice
it to me i dont whant to rely on machine translation but my one reading of the story [[User:COTHER|COTHER]] ([[User talk:COTHER|talk]])

Hi Dark Kaito, im one of the editors, i just read that you use MT along with kanji, and i was honestly surprised since it dosnt seem so. I wanted to congratulate you for the effort you put in those chapters you have done. I have edited some of your chapters and honestly there were just some minor mistakes and redaction issues easy to fix. Don't Think So Lowly Of Yourself. I also want to advance forward with mushoku tensei and your help is well recieved. I also enjoy editing the chapters you do. So lets keep up the pace! (though in a week i enter university so things will get messier for me lol) [[User:Trejon|Trejon]] ([[User talk:Trejon|talk]])
PD: i took the liberty to fix COTHER comments since he didnt put his name at the end and just added new titles.

There was another Title there before someone changed it, that's why it got lost there, the question was this.

Although, it seems there are outstanding talents like Sylphy and Cliff once in every ten years.

Outstanding talents once in every ten years.

That means every year there's one guy like that.

'''The first 2 lines say that those talents come along 1 every 10 years, but the last line from my interpretation is that it's 1 every 1 year''' -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 23:12, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

Talk:Mushoku Tensei Names and Terminology

2014-07-31T04:08:30Z

Marrow: /* Agreed on Names */

== Misc ==
http://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/636576/ <--- Author BLOG character bio page (incomplete + spoilers)

http://ncode.syosetu.com/n9669bk/192/ <--- Map 3 raw page, if you want to figure out location names. I'm still bothered over Milis, Milishion, and Arusu (capital of Asura)

Thanks for making this page, it was needed though I'm not good with these types of translations. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 05:28, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

After trying to find out who Zenisu was, the need for such a page became obvious. Please put any names you stumble upon during translation into it so that we can make it uniform throughout the translations. We still need to decide on the variants, though (i.e. Janis or Janice?) [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 05:54, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

The names here and the names in the "Character Introductions" on the Main Page were written differently. Please fix it. --[[User:Yoyoyo5678|Yoyoyo5678]] ([[User talk:Yoyoyo5678|talk]])

Exact names are not yet stabilized. Usually the first translator to stumble upon one decides on it, but here even the same translator frequently switches from one romanization to another. Feel free to discuss any discrepancies here, so that we can select the best ones. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:06, 11 July 2014 (CDT)
Also, sometimes later information forces to correct earlier spelling. I.e. when choosing between Greyrat/Greyrait, later there is a reference to "mousy family name". [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:12, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

SilentWolfie translate Rapurasu(sp) the Demon Lord as Lapius. I think the name is a reference to Laplace's Demon. --[[User:Silereamer|Silereamer]] ([[User talk:Silereamer|talk]]) 02:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

I'd like to piggyback on the former comment about the discrepancy for Zenisu being translated as Janice instead of Zenith. The katakana and no less than 4 translation engines spit 'Zenith' out as a solid match. That being said I'll leave my naming contribs here and let you all decide where to go since I'm fielding vol.7 academy arc. Localization of names I'd rather leave to the editors, since they do the polishing anyways. ザノバ・シーローン Zanoba is an ethiopian name and quite common around north africa. No complaints about Shiron/Shirone as the territory surname attributed to him being prince. ギレーヌ・デドルディア Guillain Dedorudia it's a french name, and perhaps an ironic joke, considering Robert Guillain was a french author on works about the nation of japan who was also an eyewitness to the atom bomb drop on hiroshima (sounds like the mana calamity, right?) クリフ・グリモル Cliff Grimoire yet another play on words to his occupation. A grimoire being quite literally 'book of grammar', though this time in an esoteric sense, since he's quite knowledgeable on written magic formations having to do with the nature of summoning magic. ナナホシ should remain Nanahoshi instead of Sevenstar (or variant), at least until any wordplay becomes prevalent, though there is a great deal of mythos in this series dealing with the number 7. アリエル・アネモイ・アスラ Ariel Anemoi Asura is legit. 'Anemoi' is a greek psuedo-deity of the wind, with the lesser chief wind dieties being Eurus, Boreas, Notos, and Zephyrus (the Grayrat branches in the book) カラヴァッジョ　Caravaggio was a 16th century Italian Painter, other localizations of his name also include Caravage. イゾルテ (Izorute) sounds similar to 'Iseult' of Tristan and Isolde fame. A nice story or fast wikipedia read will show similar details in reference to plot involving her character... sort of anyway. キシリカ・キシリス Kishirika Kishirisu - keep the r's and drop the u if it makes it feel easier to the eyes, otherwise it's fine, I think it's personally a play on the word '軋る' Kishiru; which is an annoying sound like a floorboard squeak or the grating of a metal fence post when you swing it open. And considering her FUHAHAHAHAHA she does near every other line she is quite annoying when she's not being useful. (as well as Badi-Gadi and the other Immortal Devil Kings, there is appropriate wordplay for them as well.) For the beasts of the forest of milis continent ギュエス Gaius from the Dorudia tribe is a play on words and also associates with his daughter the dog-beast girl プルセナ Parusena (Lars Porsena, was a king who besieged rome at one point, and had an attempted assassination by a youth named Gaius, even though the youth failed, His bravado caused king Porsena to enact a peace treaty and lift the siege.) ミニトーナ Minito-na (Minnetona) and テルセナ Terusena (Tersena) I haven't found the complete wordplay on yet, so it might just be random, I'll do some looking into it later on if clues arise. 聖獣様 Seijuu-sama Lit. Esteemed Sacred Animal/Holy Beast-sama. He figures quite a bit in vol 18+ because of the importance of ララ (Lara? Lara just fits best in my mind anyway so far) so confirming what to call his name as should be important. Though He does end up being called "Leo" later on. リニア Rinia. No wordplay with this so far, so keeping this as such for now. I expect some wordplay will fall into place since she is something 人神／ヒトガミ Human God/Hitogami keeps throwing Rudeus' way. And it is important to differentiate 人神 Human God from just 神 God (who happens to be ロキシー/Roxy!). and lastly スペルド族 The Superudo Tribe. A couple takes see it as Spelled (as in having an obvious magic enchantment) and one that I didn't get at first, since my brain read it's katakana as 'Speared' having to do mainly with the tribe's affinity to spears which is a major crux of Ruijerd's plot. Anything is fine though. ラプラス Rapurasu is clearly a reference to the Demon of LaPlace, since he was one of the Immortal Demon Lords according to the 400-year history of the world (just currently sealed away in the fortress Chaos Breaker.) --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 03:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)--

^+100 points, that's some awesome reasoning and precisely why I'm no good with names. One thing on the Holy Beast, I've been translating it that way because of Holy sounds best for most aspects of that continent, technically that entire area uses Saint rather than Holy. IE Saint Beast-sama, Saint Milis, Saint Milis Country would be an alternative name for that one though since every other location is named Kingdom and Saint doesn't fit well as a country/kingdom name, I went with defining it as Holy Milis Kingdom. Also, it could have been taken as Sword Saint/Saint Sword Highway, I don't know if that could have some background in regards to Saint Beasts. One thing I do agree on is the meaning behind Superudo, I think I'm going to switch to using Speared for that one. Also, agree on Laplace Demon (Maxwell is a later mentioned character as well AKA Maxwell's Demon entertaining that page is linked to the Wiki page for Laplace, and Maxwell is related to Atofe I believe both who are related to Laplace if I'm remembering the events right).--[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 06:53, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

Wow, I didn't know there were so many Greek god references but I'm not surprised. About 人神, it's stated in chapter 160 「準備」 that the world knows him as 人神 (pronounced Jinshin) and Hitogami is more like a personal name that few people know, making his full name 人神ヒトガミ (Jinshin Hitogami, perhaps better translated as Human God Hitogami). Leaving his name in romaji also fits with all the times people ask others about him (for example, when Rudeus first asks Ruijerd about 人神, to which Rujierd quizically replies "ヒトガミ？"). That's my opinion. On a side note, I always thought キシリカ's name would sound good written as Kicilica Kicilice, as it seems etymologically similar to the 魔大陸 town リカリス which is close to リコリス/Licorice. Just figured I'd put it out there. (Alternative spelling for maximum mind-screw: Cicilica Cicilice.) --[[User:Myopius|Myopius]] ([[User talk:Myopius|talk]]) 05:34, 14 July 2014 (CDT)

Translations engines are not an authority on romanizations, as well as katakana. Best way to find romanizations for names is to look for known persons with such a romanization. Janice is just as good a match.
Guillain is ギラン, not even close to Girune, which is ギレーヌ [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 22:15, 15 July 2014 (CDT)

Sinisl, because naming sense in katakana is truly a troublesome thing, do you mind if I share how I even came to 'Guillain' as the translation? Before anything else, let me apologize now if I come off sounding rude, I don't mean it to be anything other than an objectionary statement.
Firstly, until just this edit, I haven't consulted a translation engine on the matter. Secondly, isn't ギルーネ Giru-ne and ギレーヌ Gire-nu? I sounded ''''レ'''' as ''le'' opposed to ''re'', and got Gilenu, which if you carry the re/le sound with the hyphen, you get a double vowel result ree/lee, which results in something like Gileenu. The '''ee''' coming off as similar to the ''a'' in s''a''y. Thirdly, is that this author does borrow his fantasy names from a wide range of European sources, and just sounding it out made my intuition say it was french.
But, then I decided to check out what the translation engines and pronunciation engines have to say on the matter, since you did have a good idea there, and got these links as what I guess would be empirical evidence for my claim on the name as Guillain.
[http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%AE%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8C Katakana to English similarities on ギレーヌ] and [http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=guillain French pronunciation of ギレーヌ] with the second link, to me at least the 're' can sound like a 'le' and the 'nu' is just pronounced softly. But if you have a better suggestion than that, please go for it. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, rather, I am just trying to help fill in troublesome blanks if I can. It can stay Gire-nu indefinitely if it's easier for everyone.
And as for ゼニス ... [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%82%B9 Katakana to English similarities for ゼニス]. '''Je'''nice is listed, and I can see a logical jump there, but '''Ja'''nice is more like '''ジャ'''ニス if it's JanISS as opposed to '''ジャ'''ニ'''ー'''ス if it's JahNEESE (yes, ask me how I know two women who pronounce their names that way as well -_-). I just can't wrap my head around the entire oversight of reading ゼ '''ze''' as ジャ '''ja'''. Plus, this author uses Rudeus to spout Dragon Quest related nonsense everywhere, and King Zenith ゼニス王 was a ruler of the floating castle of Dragon Quest 6 also happened to be a human instead of what the previous owners were: dragons, so it's not entirely implausible he would use that name using the Zenith->ChaosBreaker->Pergius chain, since Rudeus makes all those 'I became a sage...' jokes to hysterical comic relief, and Sage just happens to be a recurring class in the DQ series. Anyways, that's just speculation on my part, I just happen to see these weird puns like that littered throughout the novel. Anyway, once again I sincerely apologize if my remarks came off as rude, it is not intentional at all. I'm just trying to be constructive and informative about how I come to reach my naming suggestions. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:08, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ah, of course it is Girenu, eyes get tired of reading katakana so much. Wiki says Ghislaine Thesmar is written as ギレーヌ・テスマー, so that's one good reading right there that doesn't require any inventiveness. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:47, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ghislaine eh? wow that's beautiful, because you just pointed out something interesting. Both a Ghislaine ((Which does have a verifiable prounciation as "Gee-len" [http://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/ghislaine See audio result #2]) and Linnea (リニア)
("Lin-e-AH") [http://www.forvo.com/word/linn%C3%A9a/ Swedish pronunciation of Linnéa.] Are types of Foliage. Ghislaine being a Rose, and Linnea being a Twinflower. That becomes incredibly humorous when you think how Linnea and Pursena are almost always together. I don't think I would have caught that. Nice job!

Girenu or Ghislaine or Guillain or Ghyslaine? Confused cross-referencing this list and AnimeSuki for the names.. We are talking about one character - right? right?
Whenever you guys want I can try to walk through all the pages and fix the names given permission.. Because I'm in the mood for fixing the names.. If we ever reach a conclusion o_O [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 20:33, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

For now, I think we should just stick to the Names and Terminology page for consistency with the current Tled chapters. Once names are finalised, if they need to be changed, they can be done. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:25, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

Just throwing these ones out here again with links, but as Skuizaan already mentioned above possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamba_(mythology) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iseult Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarilo --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 09:13, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

They are a miss: Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize', Jarilo ends with 'ro', not with 'ru'. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Have to agree with [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] in that Jarilo is a complete miss. The 'j' in Jarilo is a 'y' sound: ヤリーロ
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヤリーロ [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 13:00, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Jarilo (Cyrillic: Ярило or Јарило; Polish: Jaryło; Template:Lang-slo; Croatian: Jura or Juraj; Serbian: Đurilo; Slavic: Jarovit), alternatively '''Yarilo, Iarilo,''' or Gerovit, was a Slavic god of vegetation, fertility and springtime. I think we should rename him Gerovit, lol. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== About Rudy's armor ==

It was actually spelled as madou yoroi = magic/magical armor, just like how 魔導書 was spelled as madoushou = magic/magical tome or grimoire for short (well, correct me if I was wrong ^ ^)--[[User:Endo|Endo]] ([[User talk:Endo|talk]]) 00:02, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

== Zantport and Wenport ==

Suggestion: If you're going to be liberal and translate 'wenpooto' as 'Windport', you may as well go the whole mile and translate 'zantopooto' as Sandport.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:01, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Reason being that Japanese don't have trouble rendering 'Wind' as 'Windo' e.g. the word ウィンドサーフィン, or the company 株式会社WIND also written as 株式会社ウィンド. Gunna be frank here; if the author is aware of a name like Ghislaine, then I'd bet that he knows 'wind' is not typically written as 'wen'. In other words, either he's hinting at 'wind', which makes it possible that 'zanto' is hinting at 'sand', or he didn't have 'wind' in mind at all, and it's supposed to be 'wenport'. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:46, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Be a rebel and translate it as Saint Port (though it is the Mirisu side). I didn't think Zanto had the sound of Sand, I guess that does sort of make sense after its pointed out. Names too hard for me I should just start naming all characters with letters, though I would run out and have to mix them with numbers, Rudeus is now called A1 in my translations... --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 01:15, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Gunna rebel and start using Rooday'Az.[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 11:52, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

As for the wenpooto/zantopooto business, I would like to let alllllll you editors know, that I personally feel that you either stay fundamentalist for both (Wenport and Zantport), or liberal for both (Windport and Sandport). Also, I don't think there's a problem with Begaritto IMO, unless someone finds convincingly corresponding sounds in names of European places. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: Also, still waiting on your input about changing the MC's name to Rooday'Az lol. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:27, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

When it comes to names I have no issue with any changes to them it's better if they're all the same across the board. Just try to avoid any names that might massively alter the meaning. That Special/Good Life thing in volume 7 bothers me a bit in such a way. I always thought of Girenu as a Gelaine kind of name but if you guys want to take that as a Ghyslaine, that's similar and fine, just don't expect me to remember how to type it out like that when I'm translating it later, your free to fix it after to whatever is decided. Also, I mentioned it as a joke before but after giving it some thought I seriously started to consider Zanto = Saint, Saint Port as a connection point between what should have been Country of Saint Milis and it's at one end of the Sword Saint Highway. Anyways, good luck with the names no need to ask me any further. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 07:45, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Mmn, I think Saint Port might be good too. I just suggested Sand Port because I found it weird that 'wenpooto' was taken so liberally (I don't think a normal Japanese would get 'wind' from 'ウェン'), but you guys didn't noticed that 'zantopooto' might be sand in that case. If anything, you should be using Wenport and Sandport, not Windport and Zantoport (which would be much more normal for Japanese).

The reason is because 'zanto' resembles the German/Dutch pronunciation of 'sand', and so the four letter combination 'sand' ends up as ザント in Japanese.

e.g. in Log Horizon, ザント is used in the name of a place called ザントリーフ (taken by most translators as Sand Leaf). e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ザントハウゼン (Sandhausen) 
e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/マルティン・ザントベルガー (Martin Sandberger) 

On the other hand, the four letter combination 'wind' is basically always ウィンド (windo) and not ウェン (wen). For this reason, imo the possible names should be like this, from most liberal to most fundamentalist:

1. Saint Port and Wind Port 
2. Sand Port and Wind Port 
3. Sandport and Wenport 
4. Zantport and Wenport 

And yeah, the Special/Good Life thing is bothering me as well lol. It's weird because in English we don't associate 'life' with 'student'. Readers might get the wrong impression. Honestly "the Good Life" sounds like the name of some pyramid scam.
Also I think that Gelaine might be a corruption of Ghislaine. I've personally never heard of Gelaine though, but it doesn't seem popular judging by google searches. It's just conjecture, but perhaps it's an 'alternate' spelling of Ghislaine. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 09:37, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== Shiron Kingdom ==

Throwing in support for 'Shirone' or something like that instead of Shiron. Reading the raws for volume 7 at the moment, and found that it's シーローン王国. Usually the long 'roon' (ローン) is used for words that sound like 'lawn' (as in the grass) or loan (as in the investment). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:55, 21 July 2014 (CDT)

At animesuki I saw them use Pax Shiron/Shirone instead of Pakkusu, since its a fairly well known latin word. Its also ironic considering the prince is anything but peaceful.--[[User:Nosobi|Nosobi]] ([[User talk:Nosobi|talk]]) 22:07, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== エリナリーゼ ==

Would like to suggest ending エリナリーゼ's name in lise or liese, as it is reminiscent of the German/French name ending. I'm currently suggesting Elinalise as it sounds like parts of a real name, but as I realise there's no long vowel in エリナ, I'm ambivalent towards both 'Elina' and 'Erina'. 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リーゼ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:21, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

It's only like that cause the earlier chapters were tl'ed like that and changed for consistency. If Kaito doesn't mind, i'll change 'erinarize' to 'Elinalise', 'begaritto' to 'begarit' and 'Shiron' to 'Shirone', should Zanto port/Wenport stay as it is or be changed to sand port/wind port? There was also talks about Girenu/Ghislaine/Guillain/Ghyslaine but a decision was never made. Please let me know if you want these changed [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 01:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Shouldn't this be discussed amongst the editors? Kaito himself has said that he'd leave things to the editors. I understand my place as well, and will obey the will of the majority. Still, I have the right to stubbornly try and change your minds lol. For one thing, I'm pretty sure Guillain is a man's name, and written as ギラン(giran). ギレーヌ (gireenu) is almost certainly Ghislaine or one of it's variants (Ghyslaine for example) and not Girenu. It's also not Ghislain because that's also a man's name (lol). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Yeah no way I want to change names without a consensus because I'll feel guilty if I destroy people's translations. However I went to AnimeSuki forum and even there they said the only consensus they ever come to is Orsted (instead of Orusuteddo or Orstedd) because there was a roman writing. If you guys need help I can go through and make the names consistent. Just tell us editors what to do. There're like 4-5 version of names out there including the online-translated stuff that didn't get romanized. Give us the trigger and I'll start referring to this page to fix all the names and terminologies. Unlike Vanant while I obey the will of the majority I have no reason to change peoples' minds lol because seems like a lot had already done their research. Oh, can we get more wiki/reference links in the page so new editors know why did people come up with the names? :) [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 10:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Was just reading [[User_talk:Pumkingboyz]] and [[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] was talking about flower names being used for Lilia, Ghislaine, Ginger, and Juliet. Was there a reason we're using Lylia instead of Lilia? Was it game reference? We're not prioritizing flower name usage? [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_%C3%98rsted Orsted.] also if it's the difference between male and female changing Ghislaine with Ghyslaine go with the feminine. Elinalize or whatever is fine. No real references found with her or aisha. Pakkusu should be Pax though, without a doubt, since 'Pax' means peace, and we know he is anything but peaceable. Lilia is not in any DQ game, though you might find it funny that our friend Cliff Grimoire is. From DQ4, also the origin of Zenith (Castle), Kurifuto was a PC if I remember my NES, and I don't. Take away the -to and you have Kurifu. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== ギュエス (gyuesu) ==

I suggest Gyes. In Japanese, the Hekatonkheir Gyes (Γύης) is romanised as ギュエス(gyuesu) or alternatively ギューエース(gyuueesu). Considering all this other shit the guy knows about Greek mythology I'm going to go out on a limb and suppose that he's heard of the hekatonkheires. In the first place, Gyes is one of the hekatonkheires that appears in Owari no Chronicle.

Incidentally, one of its other names is Gyges (Γύγης), is brought into Japanese as ギューゲース (gyuugeesu). 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヘカトンケイル [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Whoa, didn't see ^this link before. Go with that by all means.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:39, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== イゾルテ・クルーエル (izorute kuruueru) ==

Copy of conversation:

You need to have a look at how they romanise things here: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/トリスタンとイゾルデ

Isolde is イゾルデ(izorude) and Iseult is イズールト(izuuruto). You have the grounds to change Iseult to Isolte or something or other, but there's no grounds for you to say that "oh, it's not a 'so' sound but a 'zo' sound so let's change it to Izolte"
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

If you look, you'll notice that イゾルテ is neither of those - it is not ending in 'De', and second syllable is not 'Zu'. Modified reading of Isolde into Isolte, that corresponds to the change of 'de' to 'te', is as good reading as any, unless an example is found of word with existing translation with exactly that reading [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

You're missing my point completely, lol. I'm saying that no matter if it's a テ or a デ, "Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize'" is completely invalid. Iseult and Isolde are both transliterated as 'z' sounds (see righhhhhhhht above this message. I'll even bold it for you.). Not to be rude here, but you're going to have to learn that '''Japanese don't take pronounciation cues from English alone''', buddy. A great example is how they write 'Bach' lol. How about you tell me that バッハ isn't Bach, because Bach should end in a っく sound.

When it comes to fantasy names, they're usually not taken directly from an actual name/location name. That's why we do the best we can to find parts that they may have pieced together, or taken cues from. For example, Iseult and Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:44, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: For the record, I have no idea who this izorute character is lol. I'm just arguing because I can't agree with the basis behind [[User:SinsI|SinsI]]'s modification to Izolte (http://i59.tinypic.com/291gyuw.png). If he's being picky about the 'te' ending instead of 'de' ending, then use Isolte. It makes no sense to use 'izolte' when Japanese have clearly shown that they use イゾ to represent the 'iso' sound in Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:53, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

BTW I was just pointing Iseult wiki page out as the most likely origin for her character (matches her character description as well), Izolte, Izolde, Isolde, or Isolte all work IMO for names, it says right on the wiki page that Isolde is an alternative spelling for Iseult, put that through a Japanese pronunciation grinder and any of those work really. She appears in the Eris side stories along the later volumes, also in volume 16 chapter 5 Letter Arrives that I translated previously. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:23, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

@[[User:SinsI|SinsI]]: As I've said, if you're unhappy with Iseult, then use Isolte. There's no need for Izolte because 1) it's not a name 2) The 'iso' in 'Isolte' is read as 'イゾ(izo)' anyways. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 14:25, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

As much as I lit the fire here... Izolute was how I read it at first, and was just looking for what was phonetically close, because katakana is... well yeah. Honestly, I was wondering if Izolute wasn't some kind of counter word to something like Resolute. If not, I mean, you have Final Fantasy Tactics' good old [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Isilud_Tengille Izlude]it's literally one kana off. イズルード (Izoru-do) instead of イズルテ (Izorute). And we know this guy is all about Square-enix games. We can ignore this character for a while, but she will be dealt with during Eris side stories, and in vol.18 I believe. BUT I'm going to throw this out here. Tristina. Tristina is mentioned around this time as well and you have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_and_Iseult Tristan and Iseult]. I mean yeah it's somewhat stretching it, and honestly, I don't care enough to pursue it at this time. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== リニア(rinia) & プルセナ(purusena) ==

==プルセナ==
I feel that the Porsena Lars thing is grasping at straws a bit. First of all they write him as ポルセナ王(king porusena). Second of all he's not that famous. Pursena is probably just a made up name that Ludicrous Backscratcher came up with.

http://www.oct.zaq.ne.jp/poppo456/in/p_Publicola.htm (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/shizuo_asogawa/e/697fadb7ae033607473d74979fb4e891 (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://wikimatome.com/wiki/ポルセナ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

It's fine to do whatever on this one tbh, I'm not gonna be obstinate. Mainly because I've read this: [http://altneues.com/sagon/haevest/h/Haevest.html Haevest] which happens to have a character in it named Purusena, same as in this one.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:30, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Since her name matches with her sister, should we change that other girl to Tersena? Or should we go with Purusena for this one?
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 22:35, 29 July 2014 (CDT)

==リニア==
Linnea the flower would be リンネ(rinne) wouldn't it? http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リンネソウ

The only mention of リニア(rinia, the character's name) with regards to botanology would be the calandrinia (カランドリニア) so I'm pretty happy with Rinia as things are. ATM the idea that the author was going for some flower naming scheme seems just a tad dubious. Speaking fairly though, I'm only up to volume 8.

As for the Swedish name, it's リネア(rinea):

"スウェーデンで「リネア」は女の子の名前としても大変有名です。" - http://woodenhorse.shop-pro.jp/?pid=42910460 
"In Sweden, the girls' name 'Linnea' is very famous."

Hotel name transliterated as リネア(rinea), not リニア(rinia): http://www.jtb.co.jp/kaigai_fit/fr/v2/hotel/1081529/index.html;jsessionid=D04A45F1D49693C8E9605EEE5703A4C9

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

[https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%E3%83%AA%E3%83%8B%E3%82%A2+and+%E5%90%8D%E5%89%8D+and+Linnea Googled the following: リニア and 名前 and Linnea] It's legit. Some people do pronounce it Lin EE ah リニア, not just Lin AY uh リネア. Honestly if it was me, I wouldn't even attempt to localize any of these names. Until the end Rinia would be Rinia, Purusena Purusena, Gire-nu Gire-nu, etc. I worry that the people who want to do the manga scanlation (BTW chapter 1 is out in Monthly comic flapper- june issue) are going to be taking the naming cues from us. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:11, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

From experience the manga scanlators are worse in romanizing names. e.g. Lots of weird names for Hyouketsu Kyoukai no Eden first time, but the author himself did give the characters some hard-to-pronounce names tho lol. But yeah my first sentence still stands. [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:15, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Oh cool! Stand corrected. -salutes- [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 17:40, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== Bog? Quagmire? Morass? Marshland? Swamp? Mire? Fen? ==

Lets decide this please.

I prefer "Morass" because it makes for a great word in the following chapters.

But i'm willing to settle for "Marshland", "Mire" or "Fen".

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.

--Onizuka-GTO 03:30, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I stand by "Bog" first, he gets comments on how "dirty" his name sounds when his nickname comes up. Though just going with the simple "Mud" might work as well. "Rudeus of the Mud". "Rudmud" or "Mudeus" for short. Lol. That sounds so bad but I don't think his name was intended to sound cool. In terms of English transition Quagmire might work for comedic effect, "Oh Rudeus of the Quagmire you're so dirty~" It's like an unintended English reference. (Or maybe the Author was really just that bad ass to put that into consideration when he came up with it as a reference?) My opinion: 1. Bog, 2. Quagmire 3. Mud --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 04:23, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.
Have to agree with both of these, but the first comment in particular. Seeing peopel write it as 'bog' is just really uhh... Like, I can't imagine that anyone could associate that with respect lol.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 15:12, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

Okay, since Kaito makes a point that it shouldn't be "cool" i can understand it for later usage, but i really can't stand "bog" or "mud", "Quagmire" irritates me, but that's from a cultural standpoint and i suspect for non-western/Native English-speaking readers, the reference wouldn't be an issue.
So i propose that we stick with "Quagmire", as it is not anyones favourite and irritates us all equally, which can be used in later comedic instances.

Onizuka-GTO 01:05, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

== Voiceless or Chantless? ==

Which one? I'm seeing both in the translations.
[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 16:37, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I'm the one who usually uses Voiceless Incantations (I think it started from Silent's translations?), but that might assume he's still using the incantation just in his head. Chantless is the proper way of using it, and you're free to fix them if you see it. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 16:58, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

he doesn't "chant" per se, he "imagines" or virtually 3D builds the magic mentally, therefore i feel "chantless" is more accurate.
Onizuka-GTO 01:07, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

Chantless would certainly be closer to the term used in the Japanese. 無詠唱　[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 04:19, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

==Zenith Greyrat==

Has a decision been made on the name of Rudy mother's name?

its zenith but they havent been updated yet

== Rudi or Rudy? ==

Since someone is changing Rudi to Rudy, we should at least get consensus on this.
I prefer Rudi, but there's no real basis behind it.
--[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 21:36, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I like Rudi plus that's usually what's put on the translation -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:07, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I prefer Rudi as well, that's what Paul uses, that's what Sylphy uses...

Though occasionally they cut Rudeus short in context to Rude as well it's usually a surprised speech or that sort when it comesu p.. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 22:55, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

== Agreed on Terms ==

Can we have definitive names for characters and places. I keep on finding different versions of names for locations and people which is frankly irritating since I'm not sure sometimes if it's a new character or what to change it to. Y'all seem to have agreed on a few, but can we list them down here rather than in the discussion up top. Just put them down below so we can change it to be consistent throughout rather than how it is currently. I know it's difficult to decide on the proper name, but it would be very helpful if we had something to base our edits on. I was planning on going back through the chapters and doing some edits since I've got some free time.-[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:51, 30 July 2014

1. Rudeus Greyrat

2. Paul Greyrat

3. Zenith Greyrat (Rather than Janice)

4. Roxy Migurudia

5. Sylphiette (Sylphy as nickname)

6. Eris Boreas Greyrat

7.

Talk:Mushoku Tensei Names and Terminology

2014-07-31T04:06:24Z

Marrow: /* Agreed on Names */

== Misc ==
http://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/636576/ <--- Author BLOG character bio page (incomplete + spoilers)

http://ncode.syosetu.com/n9669bk/192/ <--- Map 3 raw page, if you want to figure out location names. I'm still bothered over Milis, Milishion, and Arusu (capital of Asura)

Thanks for making this page, it was needed though I'm not good with these types of translations. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 05:28, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

After trying to find out who Zenisu was, the need for such a page became obvious. Please put any names you stumble upon during translation into it so that we can make it uniform throughout the translations. We still need to decide on the variants, though (i.e. Janis or Janice?) [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 05:54, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

The names here and the names in the "Character Introductions" on the Main Page were written differently. Please fix it. --[[User:Yoyoyo5678|Yoyoyo5678]] ([[User talk:Yoyoyo5678|talk]])

Exact names are not yet stabilized. Usually the first translator to stumble upon one decides on it, but here even the same translator frequently switches from one romanization to another. Feel free to discuss any discrepancies here, so that we can select the best ones. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:06, 11 July 2014 (CDT)
Also, sometimes later information forces to correct earlier spelling. I.e. when choosing between Greyrat/Greyrait, later there is a reference to "mousy family name". [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:12, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

SilentWolfie translate Rapurasu(sp) the Demon Lord as Lapius. I think the name is a reference to Laplace's Demon. --[[User:Silereamer|Silereamer]] ([[User talk:Silereamer|talk]]) 02:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

I'd like to piggyback on the former comment about the discrepancy for Zenisu being translated as Janice instead of Zenith. The katakana and no less than 4 translation engines spit 'Zenith' out as a solid match. That being said I'll leave my naming contribs here and let you all decide where to go since I'm fielding vol.7 academy arc. Localization of names I'd rather leave to the editors, since they do the polishing anyways. ザノバ・シーローン Zanoba is an ethiopian name and quite common around north africa. No complaints about Shiron/Shirone as the territory surname attributed to him being prince. ギレーヌ・デドルディア Guillain Dedorudia it's a french name, and perhaps an ironic joke, considering Robert Guillain was a french author on works about the nation of japan who was also an eyewitness to the atom bomb drop on hiroshima (sounds like the mana calamity, right?) クリフ・グリモル Cliff Grimoire yet another play on words to his occupation. A grimoire being quite literally 'book of grammar', though this time in an esoteric sense, since he's quite knowledgeable on written magic formations having to do with the nature of summoning magic. ナナホシ should remain Nanahoshi instead of Sevenstar (or variant), at least until any wordplay becomes prevalent, though there is a great deal of mythos in this series dealing with the number 7. アリエル・アネモイ・アスラ Ariel Anemoi Asura is legit. 'Anemoi' is a greek psuedo-deity of the wind, with the lesser chief wind dieties being Eurus, Boreas, Notos, and Zephyrus (the Grayrat branches in the book) カラヴァッジョ　Caravaggio was a 16th century Italian Painter, other localizations of his name also include Caravage. イゾルテ (Izorute) sounds similar to 'Iseult' of Tristan and Isolde fame. A nice story or fast wikipedia read will show similar details in reference to plot involving her character... sort of anyway. キシリカ・キシリス Kishirika Kishirisu - keep the r's and drop the u if it makes it feel easier to the eyes, otherwise it's fine, I think it's personally a play on the word '軋る' Kishiru; which is an annoying sound like a floorboard squeak or the grating of a metal fence post when you swing it open. And considering her FUHAHAHAHAHA she does near every other line she is quite annoying when she's not being useful. (as well as Badi-Gadi and the other Immortal Devil Kings, there is appropriate wordplay for them as well.) For the beasts of the forest of milis continent ギュエス Gaius from the Dorudia tribe is a play on words and also associates with his daughter the dog-beast girl プルセナ Parusena (Lars Porsena, was a king who besieged rome at one point, and had an attempted assassination by a youth named Gaius, even though the youth failed, His bravado caused king Porsena to enact a peace treaty and lift the siege.) ミニトーナ Minito-na (Minnetona) and テルセナ Terusena (Tersena) I haven't found the complete wordplay on yet, so it might just be random, I'll do some looking into it later on if clues arise. 聖獣様 Seijuu-sama Lit. Esteemed Sacred Animal/Holy Beast-sama. He figures quite a bit in vol 18+ because of the importance of ララ (Lara? Lara just fits best in my mind anyway so far) so confirming what to call his name as should be important. Though He does end up being called "Leo" later on. リニア Rinia. No wordplay with this so far, so keeping this as such for now. I expect some wordplay will fall into place since she is something 人神／ヒトガミ Human God/Hitogami keeps throwing Rudeus' way. And it is important to differentiate 人神 Human God from just 神 God (who happens to be ロキシー/Roxy!). and lastly スペルド族 The Superudo Tribe. A couple takes see it as Spelled (as in having an obvious magic enchantment) and one that I didn't get at first, since my brain read it's katakana as 'Speared' having to do mainly with the tribe's affinity to spears which is a major crux of Ruijerd's plot. Anything is fine though. ラプラス Rapurasu is clearly a reference to the Demon of LaPlace, since he was one of the Immortal Demon Lords according to the 400-year history of the world (just currently sealed away in the fortress Chaos Breaker.) --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 03:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)--

^+100 points, that's some awesome reasoning and precisely why I'm no good with names. One thing on the Holy Beast, I've been translating it that way because of Holy sounds best for most aspects of that continent, technically that entire area uses Saint rather than Holy. IE Saint Beast-sama, Saint Milis, Saint Milis Country would be an alternative name for that one though since every other location is named Kingdom and Saint doesn't fit well as a country/kingdom name, I went with defining it as Holy Milis Kingdom. Also, it could have been taken as Sword Saint/Saint Sword Highway, I don't know if that could have some background in regards to Saint Beasts. One thing I do agree on is the meaning behind Superudo, I think I'm going to switch to using Speared for that one. Also, agree on Laplace Demon (Maxwell is a later mentioned character as well AKA Maxwell's Demon entertaining that page is linked to the Wiki page for Laplace, and Maxwell is related to Atofe I believe both who are related to Laplace if I'm remembering the events right).--[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 06:53, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

Wow, I didn't know there were so many Greek god references but I'm not surprised. About 人神, it's stated in chapter 160 「準備」 that the world knows him as 人神 (pronounced Jinshin) and Hitogami is more like a personal name that few people know, making his full name 人神ヒトガミ (Jinshin Hitogami, perhaps better translated as Human God Hitogami). Leaving his name in romaji also fits with all the times people ask others about him (for example, when Rudeus first asks Ruijerd about 人神, to which Rujierd quizically replies "ヒトガミ？"). That's my opinion. On a side note, I always thought キシリカ's name would sound good written as Kicilica Kicilice, as it seems etymologically similar to the 魔大陸 town リカリス which is close to リコリス/Licorice. Just figured I'd put it out there. (Alternative spelling for maximum mind-screw: Cicilica Cicilice.) --[[User:Myopius|Myopius]] ([[User talk:Myopius|talk]]) 05:34, 14 July 2014 (CDT)

Translations engines are not an authority on romanizations, as well as katakana. Best way to find romanizations for names is to look for known persons with such a romanization. Janice is just as good a match.
Guillain is ギラン, not even close to Girune, which is ギレーヌ [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 22:15, 15 July 2014 (CDT)

Sinisl, because naming sense in katakana is truly a troublesome thing, do you mind if I share how I even came to 'Guillain' as the translation? Before anything else, let me apologize now if I come off sounding rude, I don't mean it to be anything other than an objectionary statement.
Firstly, until just this edit, I haven't consulted a translation engine on the matter. Secondly, isn't ギルーネ Giru-ne and ギレーヌ Gire-nu? I sounded ''''レ'''' as ''le'' opposed to ''re'', and got Gilenu, which if you carry the re/le sound with the hyphen, you get a double vowel result ree/lee, which results in something like Gileenu. The '''ee''' coming off as similar to the ''a'' in s''a''y. Thirdly, is that this author does borrow his fantasy names from a wide range of European sources, and just sounding it out made my intuition say it was french.
But, then I decided to check out what the translation engines and pronunciation engines have to say on the matter, since you did have a good idea there, and got these links as what I guess would be empirical evidence for my claim on the name as Guillain.
[http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%AE%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8C Katakana to English similarities on ギレーヌ] and [http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=guillain French pronunciation of ギレーヌ] with the second link, to me at least the 're' can sound like a 'le' and the 'nu' is just pronounced softly. But if you have a better suggestion than that, please go for it. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, rather, I am just trying to help fill in troublesome blanks if I can. It can stay Gire-nu indefinitely if it's easier for everyone.
And as for ゼニス ... [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%82%B9 Katakana to English similarities for ゼニス]. '''Je'''nice is listed, and I can see a logical jump there, but '''Ja'''nice is more like '''ジャ'''ニス if it's JanISS as opposed to '''ジャ'''ニ'''ー'''ス if it's JahNEESE (yes, ask me how I know two women who pronounce their names that way as well -_-). I just can't wrap my head around the entire oversight of reading ゼ '''ze''' as ジャ '''ja'''. Plus, this author uses Rudeus to spout Dragon Quest related nonsense everywhere, and King Zenith ゼニス王 was a ruler of the floating castle of Dragon Quest 6 also happened to be a human instead of what the previous owners were: dragons, so it's not entirely implausible he would use that name using the Zenith->ChaosBreaker->Pergius chain, since Rudeus makes all those 'I became a sage...' jokes to hysterical comic relief, and Sage just happens to be a recurring class in the DQ series. Anyways, that's just speculation on my part, I just happen to see these weird puns like that littered throughout the novel. Anyway, once again I sincerely apologize if my remarks came off as rude, it is not intentional at all. I'm just trying to be constructive and informative about how I come to reach my naming suggestions. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:08, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ah, of course it is Girenu, eyes get tired of reading katakana so much. Wiki says Ghislaine Thesmar is written as ギレーヌ・テスマー, so that's one good reading right there that doesn't require any inventiveness. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:47, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ghislaine eh? wow that's beautiful, because you just pointed out something interesting. Both a Ghislaine ((Which does have a verifiable prounciation as "Gee-len" [http://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/ghislaine See audio result #2]) and Linnea (リニア)
("Lin-e-AH") [http://www.forvo.com/word/linn%C3%A9a/ Swedish pronunciation of Linnéa.] Are types of Foliage. Ghislaine being a Rose, and Linnea being a Twinflower. That becomes incredibly humorous when you think how Linnea and Pursena are almost always together. I don't think I would have caught that. Nice job!

Girenu or Ghislaine or Guillain or Ghyslaine? Confused cross-referencing this list and AnimeSuki for the names.. We are talking about one character - right? right?
Whenever you guys want I can try to walk through all the pages and fix the names given permission.. Because I'm in the mood for fixing the names.. If we ever reach a conclusion o_O [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 20:33, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

For now, I think we should just stick to the Names and Terminology page for consistency with the current Tled chapters. Once names are finalised, if they need to be changed, they can be done. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:25, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

Just throwing these ones out here again with links, but as Skuizaan already mentioned above possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamba_(mythology) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iseult Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarilo --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 09:13, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

They are a miss: Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize', Jarilo ends with 'ro', not with 'ru'. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Have to agree with [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] in that Jarilo is a complete miss. The 'j' in Jarilo is a 'y' sound: ヤリーロ
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヤリーロ [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 13:00, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Jarilo (Cyrillic: Ярило or Јарило; Polish: Jaryło; Template:Lang-slo; Croatian: Jura or Juraj; Serbian: Đurilo; Slavic: Jarovit), alternatively '''Yarilo, Iarilo,''' or Gerovit, was a Slavic god of vegetation, fertility and springtime. I think we should rename him Gerovit, lol. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== About Rudy's armor ==

It was actually spelled as madou yoroi = magic/magical armor, just like how 魔導書 was spelled as madoushou = magic/magical tome or grimoire for short (well, correct me if I was wrong ^ ^)--[[User:Endo|Endo]] ([[User talk:Endo|talk]]) 00:02, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

== Zantport and Wenport ==

Suggestion: If you're going to be liberal and translate 'wenpooto' as 'Windport', you may as well go the whole mile and translate 'zantopooto' as Sandport.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:01, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Reason being that Japanese don't have trouble rendering 'Wind' as 'Windo' e.g. the word ウィンドサーフィン, or the company 株式会社WIND also written as 株式会社ウィンド. Gunna be frank here; if the author is aware of a name like Ghislaine, then I'd bet that he knows 'wind' is not typically written as 'wen'. In other words, either he's hinting at 'wind', which makes it possible that 'zanto' is hinting at 'sand', or he didn't have 'wind' in mind at all, and it's supposed to be 'wenport'. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:46, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Be a rebel and translate it as Saint Port (though it is the Mirisu side). I didn't think Zanto had the sound of Sand, I guess that does sort of make sense after its pointed out. Names too hard for me I should just start naming all characters with letters, though I would run out and have to mix them with numbers, Rudeus is now called A1 in my translations... --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 01:15, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Gunna rebel and start using Rooday'Az.[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 11:52, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

As for the wenpooto/zantopooto business, I would like to let alllllll you editors know, that I personally feel that you either stay fundamentalist for both (Wenport and Zantport), or liberal for both (Windport and Sandport). Also, I don't think there's a problem with Begaritto IMO, unless someone finds convincingly corresponding sounds in names of European places. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: Also, still waiting on your input about changing the MC's name to Rooday'Az lol. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:27, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

When it comes to names I have no issue with any changes to them it's better if they're all the same across the board. Just try to avoid any names that might massively alter the meaning. That Special/Good Life thing in volume 7 bothers me a bit in such a way. I always thought of Girenu as a Gelaine kind of name but if you guys want to take that as a Ghyslaine, that's similar and fine, just don't expect me to remember how to type it out like that when I'm translating it later, your free to fix it after to whatever is decided. Also, I mentioned it as a joke before but after giving it some thought I seriously started to consider Zanto = Saint, Saint Port as a connection point between what should have been Country of Saint Milis and it's at one end of the Sword Saint Highway. Anyways, good luck with the names no need to ask me any further. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 07:45, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Mmn, I think Saint Port might be good too. I just suggested Sand Port because I found it weird that 'wenpooto' was taken so liberally (I don't think a normal Japanese would get 'wind' from 'ウェン'), but you guys didn't noticed that 'zantopooto' might be sand in that case. If anything, you should be using Wenport and Sandport, not Windport and Zantoport (which would be much more normal for Japanese).

The reason is because 'zanto' resembles the German/Dutch pronunciation of 'sand', and so the four letter combination 'sand' ends up as ザント in Japanese.

e.g. in Log Horizon, ザント is used in the name of a place called ザントリーフ (taken by most translators as Sand Leaf). e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ザントハウゼン (Sandhausen) 
e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/マルティン・ザントベルガー (Martin Sandberger) 

On the other hand, the four letter combination 'wind' is basically always ウィンド (windo) and not ウェン (wen). For this reason, imo the possible names should be like this, from most liberal to most fundamentalist:

1. Saint Port and Wind Port 
2. Sand Port and Wind Port 
3. Sandport and Wenport 
4. Zantport and Wenport 

And yeah, the Special/Good Life thing is bothering me as well lol. It's weird because in English we don't associate 'life' with 'student'. Readers might get the wrong impression. Honestly "the Good Life" sounds like the name of some pyramid scam.
Also I think that Gelaine might be a corruption of Ghislaine. I've personally never heard of Gelaine though, but it doesn't seem popular judging by google searches. It's just conjecture, but perhaps it's an 'alternate' spelling of Ghislaine. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 09:37, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== Shiron Kingdom ==

Throwing in support for 'Shirone' or something like that instead of Shiron. Reading the raws for volume 7 at the moment, and found that it's シーローン王国. Usually the long 'roon' (ローン) is used for words that sound like 'lawn' (as in the grass) or loan (as in the investment). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:55, 21 July 2014 (CDT)

At animesuki I saw them use Pax Shiron/Shirone instead of Pakkusu, since its a fairly well known latin word. Its also ironic considering the prince is anything but peaceful.--[[User:Nosobi|Nosobi]] ([[User talk:Nosobi|talk]]) 22:07, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== エリナリーゼ ==

Would like to suggest ending エリナリーゼ's name in lise or liese, as it is reminiscent of the German/French name ending. I'm currently suggesting Elinalise as it sounds like parts of a real name, but as I realise there's no long vowel in エリナ, I'm ambivalent towards both 'Elina' and 'Erina'. 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リーゼ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:21, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

It's only like that cause the earlier chapters were tl'ed like that and changed for consistency. If Kaito doesn't mind, i'll change 'erinarize' to 'Elinalise', 'begaritto' to 'begarit' and 'Shiron' to 'Shirone', should Zanto port/Wenport stay as it is or be changed to sand port/wind port? There was also talks about Girenu/Ghislaine/Guillain/Ghyslaine but a decision was never made. Please let me know if you want these changed [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 01:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Shouldn't this be discussed amongst the editors? Kaito himself has said that he'd leave things to the editors. I understand my place as well, and will obey the will of the majority. Still, I have the right to stubbornly try and change your minds lol. For one thing, I'm pretty sure Guillain is a man's name, and written as ギラン(giran). ギレーヌ (gireenu) is almost certainly Ghislaine or one of it's variants (Ghyslaine for example) and not Girenu. It's also not Ghislain because that's also a man's name (lol). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Yeah no way I want to change names without a consensus because I'll feel guilty if I destroy people's translations. However I went to AnimeSuki forum and even there they said the only consensus they ever come to is Orsted (instead of Orusuteddo or Orstedd) because there was a roman writing. If you guys need help I can go through and make the names consistent. Just tell us editors what to do. There're like 4-5 version of names out there including the online-translated stuff that didn't get romanized. Give us the trigger and I'll start referring to this page to fix all the names and terminologies. Unlike Vanant while I obey the will of the majority I have no reason to change peoples' minds lol because seems like a lot had already done their research. Oh, can we get more wiki/reference links in the page so new editors know why did people come up with the names? :) [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 10:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Was just reading [[User_talk:Pumkingboyz]] and [[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] was talking about flower names being used for Lilia, Ghislaine, Ginger, and Juliet. Was there a reason we're using Lylia instead of Lilia? Was it game reference? We're not prioritizing flower name usage? [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_%C3%98rsted Orsted.] also if it's the difference between male and female changing Ghislaine with Ghyslaine go with the feminine. Elinalize or whatever is fine. No real references found with her or aisha. Pakkusu should be Pax though, without a doubt, since 'Pax' means peace, and we know he is anything but peaceable. Lilia is not in any DQ game, though you might find it funny that our friend Cliff Grimoire is. From DQ4, also the origin of Zenith (Castle), Kurifuto was a PC if I remember my NES, and I don't. Take away the -to and you have Kurifu. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== ギュエス (gyuesu) ==

I suggest Gyes. In Japanese, the Hekatonkheir Gyes (Γύης) is romanised as ギュエス(gyuesu) or alternatively ギューエース(gyuueesu). Considering all this other shit the guy knows about Greek mythology I'm going to go out on a limb and suppose that he's heard of the hekatonkheires. In the first place, Gyes is one of the hekatonkheires that appears in Owari no Chronicle.

Incidentally, one of its other names is Gyges (Γύγης), is brought into Japanese as ギューゲース (gyuugeesu). 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヘカトンケイル [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Whoa, didn't see ^this link before. Go with that by all means.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:39, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== イゾルテ・クルーエル (izorute kuruueru) ==

Copy of conversation:

You need to have a look at how they romanise things here: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/トリスタンとイゾルデ

Isolde is イゾルデ(izorude) and Iseult is イズールト(izuuruto). You have the grounds to change Iseult to Isolte or something or other, but there's no grounds for you to say that "oh, it's not a 'so' sound but a 'zo' sound so let's change it to Izolte"
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

If you look, you'll notice that イゾルテ is neither of those - it is not ending in 'De', and second syllable is not 'Zu'. Modified reading of Isolde into Isolte, that corresponds to the change of 'de' to 'te', is as good reading as any, unless an example is found of word with existing translation with exactly that reading [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

You're missing my point completely, lol. I'm saying that no matter if it's a テ or a デ, "Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize'" is completely invalid. Iseult and Isolde are both transliterated as 'z' sounds (see righhhhhhhht above this message. I'll even bold it for you.). Not to be rude here, but you're going to have to learn that '''Japanese don't take pronounciation cues from English alone''', buddy. A great example is how they write 'Bach' lol. How about you tell me that バッハ isn't Bach, because Bach should end in a っく sound.

When it comes to fantasy names, they're usually not taken directly from an actual name/location name. That's why we do the best we can to find parts that they may have pieced together, or taken cues from. For example, Iseult and Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:44, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: For the record, I have no idea who this izorute character is lol. I'm just arguing because I can't agree with the basis behind [[User:SinsI|SinsI]]'s modification to Izolte (http://i59.tinypic.com/291gyuw.png). If he's being picky about the 'te' ending instead of 'de' ending, then use Isolte. It makes no sense to use 'izolte' when Japanese have clearly shown that they use イゾ to represent the 'iso' sound in Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:53, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

BTW I was just pointing Iseult wiki page out as the most likely origin for her character (matches her character description as well), Izolte, Izolde, Isolde, or Isolte all work IMO for names, it says right on the wiki page that Isolde is an alternative spelling for Iseult, put that through a Japanese pronunciation grinder and any of those work really. She appears in the Eris side stories along the later volumes, also in volume 16 chapter 5 Letter Arrives that I translated previously. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:23, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

@[[User:SinsI|SinsI]]: As I've said, if you're unhappy with Iseult, then use Isolte. There's no need for Izolte because 1) it's not a name 2) The 'iso' in 'Isolte' is read as 'イゾ(izo)' anyways. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 14:25, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

As much as I lit the fire here... Izolute was how I read it at first, and was just looking for what was phonetically close, because katakana is... well yeah. Honestly, I was wondering if Izolute wasn't some kind of counter word to something like Resolute. If not, I mean, you have Final Fantasy Tactics' good old [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Isilud_Tengille Izlude]it's literally one kana off. イズルード (Izoru-do) instead of イズルテ (Izorute). And we know this guy is all about Square-enix games. We can ignore this character for a while, but she will be dealt with during Eris side stories, and in vol.18 I believe. BUT I'm going to throw this out here. Tristina. Tristina is mentioned around this time as well and you have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_and_Iseult Tristan and Iseult]. I mean yeah it's somewhat stretching it, and honestly, I don't care enough to pursue it at this time. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== リニア(rinia) & プルセナ(purusena) ==

==プルセナ==
I feel that the Porsena Lars thing is grasping at straws a bit. First of all they write him as ポルセナ王(king porusena). Second of all he's not that famous. Pursena is probably just a made up name that Ludicrous Backscratcher came up with.

http://www.oct.zaq.ne.jp/poppo456/in/p_Publicola.htm (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/shizuo_asogawa/e/697fadb7ae033607473d74979fb4e891 (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://wikimatome.com/wiki/ポルセナ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

It's fine to do whatever on this one tbh, I'm not gonna be obstinate. Mainly because I've read this: [http://altneues.com/sagon/haevest/h/Haevest.html Haevest] which happens to have a character in it named Purusena, same as in this one.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:30, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Since her name matches with her sister, should we change that other girl to Tersena? Or should we go with Purusena for this one?
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 22:35, 29 July 2014 (CDT)

==リニア==
Linnea the flower would be リンネ(rinne) wouldn't it? http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リンネソウ

The only mention of リニア(rinia, the character's name) with regards to botanology would be the calandrinia (カランドリニア) so I'm pretty happy with Rinia as things are. ATM the idea that the author was going for some flower naming scheme seems just a tad dubious. Speaking fairly though, I'm only up to volume 8.

As for the Swedish name, it's リネア(rinea):

"スウェーデンで「リネア」は女の子の名前としても大変有名です。" - http://woodenhorse.shop-pro.jp/?pid=42910460 
"In Sweden, the girls' name 'Linnea' is very famous."

Hotel name transliterated as リネア(rinea), not リニア(rinia): http://www.jtb.co.jp/kaigai_fit/fr/v2/hotel/1081529/index.html;jsessionid=D04A45F1D49693C8E9605EEE5703A4C9

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

[https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%E3%83%AA%E3%83%8B%E3%82%A2+and+%E5%90%8D%E5%89%8D+and+Linnea Googled the following: リニア and 名前 and Linnea] It's legit. Some people do pronounce it Lin EE ah リニア, not just Lin AY uh リネア. Honestly if it was me, I wouldn't even attempt to localize any of these names. Until the end Rinia would be Rinia, Purusena Purusena, Gire-nu Gire-nu, etc. I worry that the people who want to do the manga scanlation (BTW chapter 1 is out in Monthly comic flapper- june issue) are going to be taking the naming cues from us. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:11, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

From experience the manga scanlators are worse in romanizing names. e.g. Lots of weird names for Hyouketsu Kyoukai no Eden first time, but the author himself did give the characters some hard-to-pronounce names tho lol. But yeah my first sentence still stands. [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:15, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Oh cool! Stand corrected. -salutes- [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 17:40, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== Bog? Quagmire? Morass? Marshland? Swamp? Mire? Fen? ==

Lets decide this please.

I prefer "Morass" because it makes for a great word in the following chapters.

But i'm willing to settle for "Marshland", "Mire" or "Fen".

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.

--Onizuka-GTO 03:30, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I stand by "Bog" first, he gets comments on how "dirty" his name sounds when his nickname comes up. Though just going with the simple "Mud" might work as well. "Rudeus of the Mud". "Rudmud" or "Mudeus" for short. Lol. That sounds so bad but I don't think his name was intended to sound cool. In terms of English transition Quagmire might work for comedic effect, "Oh Rudeus of the Quagmire you're so dirty~" It's like an unintended English reference. (Or maybe the Author was really just that bad ass to put that into consideration when he came up with it as a reference?) My opinion: 1. Bog, 2. Quagmire 3. Mud --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 04:23, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.
Have to agree with both of these, but the first comment in particular. Seeing peopel write it as 'bog' is just really uhh... Like, I can't imagine that anyone could associate that with respect lol.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 15:12, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

Okay, since Kaito makes a point that it shouldn't be "cool" i can understand it for later usage, but i really can't stand "bog" or "mud", "Quagmire" irritates me, but that's from a cultural standpoint and i suspect for non-western/Native English-speaking readers, the reference wouldn't be an issue.
So i propose that we stick with "Quagmire", as it is not anyones favourite and irritates us all equally, which can be used in later comedic instances.

Onizuka-GTO 01:05, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

== Voiceless or Chantless? ==

Which one? I'm seeing both in the translations.
[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 16:37, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I'm the one who usually uses Voiceless Incantations (I think it started from Silent's translations?), but that might assume he's still using the incantation just in his head. Chantless is the proper way of using it, and you're free to fix them if you see it. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 16:58, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

he doesn't "chant" per se, he "imagines" or virtually 3D builds the magic mentally, therefore i feel "chantless" is more accurate.
Onizuka-GTO 01:07, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

Chantless would certainly be closer to the term used in the Japanese. 無詠唱　[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 04:19, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

==Zenith Greyrat==

Has a decision been made on the name of Rudy mother's name?

its zenith but they havent been updated yet

== Rudi or Rudy? ==

Since someone is changing Rudi to Rudy, we should at least get consensus on this.
I prefer Rudi, but there's no real basis behind it.
--[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 21:36, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I like Rudi plus that's usually what's put on the translation -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:07, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I prefer Rudi as well, that's what Paul uses, that's what Sylphy uses...

Though occasionally they cut Rudeus short in context to Rude as well it's usually a surprised speech or that sort when it comesu p.. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 22:55, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

== Agreed on Names ==

Can we have definitive names for characters and places. I keep on finding different versions of names for locations and people which is frankly irritating since I'm not sure sometimes if it's a new character or what to change it to. Y'all seem to have agreed on a few, but can we list them down here rather than in the discussion up top. Just put them down below so we can change it to be consistent throughout rather than how it is currently. I know it's difficult to decide on the proper name, but it would be very helpful if we had something to base our edits on. I was planning on going back through the chapters and doing some edits since I've got some free time.-[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:51, 30 July 2014

# Rudeus Greyrat '''(Rudy or Rudi for nickname?)'''

# Paul Greyrat

# Zenith Greyrat (Rather than Janice)

# Roxy Migurudia

# Sylphiette (Sylphy as nickname)

# Eris Boreas Greyrat

# Numbered list item

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2014-07-31T03:57:32Z

Marrow: /* Agreed on Names */

== Misc ==
http://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/636576/ <--- Author BLOG character bio page (incomplete + spoilers)

http://ncode.syosetu.com/n9669bk/192/ <--- Map 3 raw page, if you want to figure out location names. I'm still bothered over Milis, Milishion, and Arusu (capital of Asura)

Thanks for making this page, it was needed though I'm not good with these types of translations. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 05:28, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

After trying to find out who Zenisu was, the need for such a page became obvious. Please put any names you stumble upon during translation into it so that we can make it uniform throughout the translations. We still need to decide on the variants, though (i.e. Janis or Janice?) [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 05:54, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

The names here and the names in the "Character Introductions" on the Main Page were written differently. Please fix it. --[[User:Yoyoyo5678|Yoyoyo5678]] ([[User talk:Yoyoyo5678|talk]])

Exact names are not yet stabilized. Usually the first translator to stumble upon one decides on it, but here even the same translator frequently switches from one romanization to another. Feel free to discuss any discrepancies here, so that we can select the best ones. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:06, 11 July 2014 (CDT)
Also, sometimes later information forces to correct earlier spelling. I.e. when choosing between Greyrat/Greyrait, later there is a reference to "mousy family name". [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:12, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

SilentWolfie translate Rapurasu(sp) the Demon Lord as Lapius. I think the name is a reference to Laplace's Demon. --[[User:Silereamer|Silereamer]] ([[User talk:Silereamer|talk]]) 02:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

I'd like to piggyback on the former comment about the discrepancy for Zenisu being translated as Janice instead of Zenith. The katakana and no less than 4 translation engines spit 'Zenith' out as a solid match. That being said I'll leave my naming contribs here and let you all decide where to go since I'm fielding vol.7 academy arc. Localization of names I'd rather leave to the editors, since they do the polishing anyways. ザノバ・シーローン Zanoba is an ethiopian name and quite common around north africa. No complaints about Shiron/Shirone as the territory surname attributed to him being prince. ギレーヌ・デドルディア Guillain Dedorudia it's a french name, and perhaps an ironic joke, considering Robert Guillain was a french author on works about the nation of japan who was also an eyewitness to the atom bomb drop on hiroshima (sounds like the mana calamity, right?) クリフ・グリモル Cliff Grimoire yet another play on words to his occupation. A grimoire being quite literally 'book of grammar', though this time in an esoteric sense, since he's quite knowledgeable on written magic formations having to do with the nature of summoning magic. ナナホシ should remain Nanahoshi instead of Sevenstar (or variant), at least until any wordplay becomes prevalent, though there is a great deal of mythos in this series dealing with the number 7. アリエル・アネモイ・アスラ Ariel Anemoi Asura is legit. 'Anemoi' is a greek psuedo-deity of the wind, with the lesser chief wind dieties being Eurus, Boreas, Notos, and Zephyrus (the Grayrat branches in the book) カラヴァッジョ　Caravaggio was a 16th century Italian Painter, other localizations of his name also include Caravage. イゾルテ (Izorute) sounds similar to 'Iseult' of Tristan and Isolde fame. A nice story or fast wikipedia read will show similar details in reference to plot involving her character... sort of anyway. キシリカ・キシリス Kishirika Kishirisu - keep the r's and drop the u if it makes it feel easier to the eyes, otherwise it's fine, I think it's personally a play on the word '軋る' Kishiru; which is an annoying sound like a floorboard squeak or the grating of a metal fence post when you swing it open. And considering her FUHAHAHAHAHA she does near every other line she is quite annoying when she's not being useful. (as well as Badi-Gadi and the other Immortal Devil Kings, there is appropriate wordplay for them as well.) For the beasts of the forest of milis continent ギュエス Gaius from the Dorudia tribe is a play on words and also associates with his daughter the dog-beast girl プルセナ Parusena (Lars Porsena, was a king who besieged rome at one point, and had an attempted assassination by a youth named Gaius, even though the youth failed, His bravado caused king Porsena to enact a peace treaty and lift the siege.) ミニトーナ Minito-na (Minnetona) and テルセナ Terusena (Tersena) I haven't found the complete wordplay on yet, so it might just be random, I'll do some looking into it later on if clues arise. 聖獣様 Seijuu-sama Lit. Esteemed Sacred Animal/Holy Beast-sama. He figures quite a bit in vol 18+ because of the importance of ララ (Lara? Lara just fits best in my mind anyway so far) so confirming what to call his name as should be important. Though He does end up being called "Leo" later on. リニア Rinia. No wordplay with this so far, so keeping this as such for now. I expect some wordplay will fall into place since she is something 人神／ヒトガミ Human God/Hitogami keeps throwing Rudeus' way. And it is important to differentiate 人神 Human God from just 神 God (who happens to be ロキシー/Roxy!). and lastly スペルド族 The Superudo Tribe. A couple takes see it as Spelled (as in having an obvious magic enchantment) and one that I didn't get at first, since my brain read it's katakana as 'Speared' having to do mainly with the tribe's affinity to spears which is a major crux of Ruijerd's plot. Anything is fine though. ラプラス Rapurasu is clearly a reference to the Demon of LaPlace, since he was one of the Immortal Demon Lords according to the 400-year history of the world (just currently sealed away in the fortress Chaos Breaker.) --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 03:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)--

^+100 points, that's some awesome reasoning and precisely why I'm no good with names. One thing on the Holy Beast, I've been translating it that way because of Holy sounds best for most aspects of that continent, technically that entire area uses Saint rather than Holy. IE Saint Beast-sama, Saint Milis, Saint Milis Country would be an alternative name for that one though since every other location is named Kingdom and Saint doesn't fit well as a country/kingdom name, I went with defining it as Holy Milis Kingdom. Also, it could have been taken as Sword Saint/Saint Sword Highway, I don't know if that could have some background in regards to Saint Beasts. One thing I do agree on is the meaning behind Superudo, I think I'm going to switch to using Speared for that one. Also, agree on Laplace Demon (Maxwell is a later mentioned character as well AKA Maxwell's Demon entertaining that page is linked to the Wiki page for Laplace, and Maxwell is related to Atofe I believe both who are related to Laplace if I'm remembering the events right).--[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 06:53, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

Wow, I didn't know there were so many Greek god references but I'm not surprised. About 人神, it's stated in chapter 160 「準備」 that the world knows him as 人神 (pronounced Jinshin) and Hitogami is more like a personal name that few people know, making his full name 人神ヒトガミ (Jinshin Hitogami, perhaps better translated as Human God Hitogami). Leaving his name in romaji also fits with all the times people ask others about him (for example, when Rudeus first asks Ruijerd about 人神, to which Rujierd quizically replies "ヒトガミ？"). That's my opinion. On a side note, I always thought キシリカ's name would sound good written as Kicilica Kicilice, as it seems etymologically similar to the 魔大陸 town リカリス which is close to リコリス/Licorice. Just figured I'd put it out there. (Alternative spelling for maximum mind-screw: Cicilica Cicilice.) --[[User:Myopius|Myopius]] ([[User talk:Myopius|talk]]) 05:34, 14 July 2014 (CDT)

Translations engines are not an authority on romanizations, as well as katakana. Best way to find romanizations for names is to look for known persons with such a romanization. Janice is just as good a match.
Guillain is ギラン, not even close to Girune, which is ギレーヌ [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 22:15, 15 July 2014 (CDT)

Sinisl, because naming sense in katakana is truly a troublesome thing, do you mind if I share how I even came to 'Guillain' as the translation? Before anything else, let me apologize now if I come off sounding rude, I don't mean it to be anything other than an objectionary statement.
Firstly, until just this edit, I haven't consulted a translation engine on the matter. Secondly, isn't ギルーネ Giru-ne and ギレーヌ Gire-nu? I sounded ''''レ'''' as ''le'' opposed to ''re'', and got Gilenu, which if you carry the re/le sound with the hyphen, you get a double vowel result ree/lee, which results in something like Gileenu. The '''ee''' coming off as similar to the ''a'' in s''a''y. Thirdly, is that this author does borrow his fantasy names from a wide range of European sources, and just sounding it out made my intuition say it was french.
But, then I decided to check out what the translation engines and pronunciation engines have to say on the matter, since you did have a good idea there, and got these links as what I guess would be empirical evidence for my claim on the name as Guillain.
[http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%AE%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8C Katakana to English similarities on ギレーヌ] and [http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=guillain French pronunciation of ギレーヌ] with the second link, to me at least the 're' can sound like a 'le' and the 'nu' is just pronounced softly. But if you have a better suggestion than that, please go for it. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, rather, I am just trying to help fill in troublesome blanks if I can. It can stay Gire-nu indefinitely if it's easier for everyone.
And as for ゼニス ... [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%82%B9 Katakana to English similarities for ゼニス]. '''Je'''nice is listed, and I can see a logical jump there, but '''Ja'''nice is more like '''ジャ'''ニス if it's JanISS as opposed to '''ジャ'''ニ'''ー'''ス if it's JahNEESE (yes, ask me how I know two women who pronounce their names that way as well -_-). I just can't wrap my head around the entire oversight of reading ゼ '''ze''' as ジャ '''ja'''. Plus, this author uses Rudeus to spout Dragon Quest related nonsense everywhere, and King Zenith ゼニス王 was a ruler of the floating castle of Dragon Quest 6 also happened to be a human instead of what the previous owners were: dragons, so it's not entirely implausible he would use that name using the Zenith->ChaosBreaker->Pergius chain, since Rudeus makes all those 'I became a sage...' jokes to hysterical comic relief, and Sage just happens to be a recurring class in the DQ series. Anyways, that's just speculation on my part, I just happen to see these weird puns like that littered throughout the novel. Anyway, once again I sincerely apologize if my remarks came off as rude, it is not intentional at all. I'm just trying to be constructive and informative about how I come to reach my naming suggestions. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:08, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ah, of course it is Girenu, eyes get tired of reading katakana so much. Wiki says Ghislaine Thesmar is written as ギレーヌ・テスマー, so that's one good reading right there that doesn't require any inventiveness. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:47, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ghislaine eh? wow that's beautiful, because you just pointed out something interesting. Both a Ghislaine ((Which does have a verifiable prounciation as "Gee-len" [http://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/ghislaine See audio result #2]) and Linnea (リニア)
("Lin-e-AH") [http://www.forvo.com/word/linn%C3%A9a/ Swedish pronunciation of Linnéa.] Are types of Foliage. Ghislaine being a Rose, and Linnea being a Twinflower. That becomes incredibly humorous when you think how Linnea and Pursena are almost always together. I don't think I would have caught that. Nice job!

Girenu or Ghislaine or Guillain or Ghyslaine? Confused cross-referencing this list and AnimeSuki for the names.. We are talking about one character - right? right?
Whenever you guys want I can try to walk through all the pages and fix the names given permission.. Because I'm in the mood for fixing the names.. If we ever reach a conclusion o_O [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 20:33, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

For now, I think we should just stick to the Names and Terminology page for consistency with the current Tled chapters. Once names are finalised, if they need to be changed, they can be done. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:25, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

Just throwing these ones out here again with links, but as Skuizaan already mentioned above possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamba_(mythology) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iseult Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarilo --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 09:13, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

They are a miss: Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize', Jarilo ends with 'ro', not with 'ru'. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Have to agree with [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] in that Jarilo is a complete miss. The 'j' in Jarilo is a 'y' sound: ヤリーロ
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヤリーロ [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 13:00, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Jarilo (Cyrillic: Ярило or Јарило; Polish: Jaryło; Template:Lang-slo; Croatian: Jura or Juraj; Serbian: Đurilo; Slavic: Jarovit), alternatively '''Yarilo, Iarilo,''' or Gerovit, was a Slavic god of vegetation, fertility and springtime. I think we should rename him Gerovit, lol. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== About Rudy's armor ==

It was actually spelled as madou yoroi = magic/magical armor, just like how 魔導書 was spelled as madoushou = magic/magical tome or grimoire for short (well, correct me if I was wrong ^ ^)--[[User:Endo|Endo]] ([[User talk:Endo|talk]]) 00:02, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

== Zantport and Wenport ==

Suggestion: If you're going to be liberal and translate 'wenpooto' as 'Windport', you may as well go the whole mile and translate 'zantopooto' as Sandport.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:01, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Reason being that Japanese don't have trouble rendering 'Wind' as 'Windo' e.g. the word ウィンドサーフィン, or the company 株式会社WIND also written as 株式会社ウィンド. Gunna be frank here; if the author is aware of a name like Ghislaine, then I'd bet that he knows 'wind' is not typically written as 'wen'. In other words, either he's hinting at 'wind', which makes it possible that 'zanto' is hinting at 'sand', or he didn't have 'wind' in mind at all, and it's supposed to be 'wenport'. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:46, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Be a rebel and translate it as Saint Port (though it is the Mirisu side). I didn't think Zanto had the sound of Sand, I guess that does sort of make sense after its pointed out. Names too hard for me I should just start naming all characters with letters, though I would run out and have to mix them with numbers, Rudeus is now called A1 in my translations... --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 01:15, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Gunna rebel and start using Rooday'Az.[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 11:52, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

As for the wenpooto/zantopooto business, I would like to let alllllll you editors know, that I personally feel that you either stay fundamentalist for both (Wenport and Zantport), or liberal for both (Windport and Sandport). Also, I don't think there's a problem with Begaritto IMO, unless someone finds convincingly corresponding sounds in names of European places. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: Also, still waiting on your input about changing the MC's name to Rooday'Az lol. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:27, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

When it comes to names I have no issue with any changes to them it's better if they're all the same across the board. Just try to avoid any names that might massively alter the meaning. That Special/Good Life thing in volume 7 bothers me a bit in such a way. I always thought of Girenu as a Gelaine kind of name but if you guys want to take that as a Ghyslaine, that's similar and fine, just don't expect me to remember how to type it out like that when I'm translating it later, your free to fix it after to whatever is decided. Also, I mentioned it as a joke before but after giving it some thought I seriously started to consider Zanto = Saint, Saint Port as a connection point between what should have been Country of Saint Milis and it's at one end of the Sword Saint Highway. Anyways, good luck with the names no need to ask me any further. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 07:45, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Mmn, I think Saint Port might be good too. I just suggested Sand Port because I found it weird that 'wenpooto' was taken so liberally (I don't think a normal Japanese would get 'wind' from 'ウェン'), but you guys didn't noticed that 'zantopooto' might be sand in that case. If anything, you should be using Wenport and Sandport, not Windport and Zantoport (which would be much more normal for Japanese).

The reason is because 'zanto' resembles the German/Dutch pronunciation of 'sand', and so the four letter combination 'sand' ends up as ザント in Japanese.

e.g. in Log Horizon, ザント is used in the name of a place called ザントリーフ (taken by most translators as Sand Leaf). e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ザントハウゼン (Sandhausen) 
e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/マルティン・ザントベルガー (Martin Sandberger) 

On the other hand, the four letter combination 'wind' is basically always ウィンド (windo) and not ウェン (wen). For this reason, imo the possible names should be like this, from most liberal to most fundamentalist:

1. Saint Port and Wind Port 
2. Sand Port and Wind Port 
3. Sandport and Wenport 
4. Zantport and Wenport 

And yeah, the Special/Good Life thing is bothering me as well lol. It's weird because in English we don't associate 'life' with 'student'. Readers might get the wrong impression. Honestly "the Good Life" sounds like the name of some pyramid scam.
Also I think that Gelaine might be a corruption of Ghislaine. I've personally never heard of Gelaine though, but it doesn't seem popular judging by google searches. It's just conjecture, but perhaps it's an 'alternate' spelling of Ghislaine. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 09:37, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== Shiron Kingdom ==

Throwing in support for 'Shirone' or something like that instead of Shiron. Reading the raws for volume 7 at the moment, and found that it's シーローン王国. Usually the long 'roon' (ローン) is used for words that sound like 'lawn' (as in the grass) or loan (as in the investment). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:55, 21 July 2014 (CDT)

At animesuki I saw them use Pax Shiron/Shirone instead of Pakkusu, since its a fairly well known latin word. Its also ironic considering the prince is anything but peaceful.--[[User:Nosobi|Nosobi]] ([[User talk:Nosobi|talk]]) 22:07, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== エリナリーゼ ==

Would like to suggest ending エリナリーゼ's name in lise or liese, as it is reminiscent of the German/French name ending. I'm currently suggesting Elinalise as it sounds like parts of a real name, but as I realise there's no long vowel in エリナ, I'm ambivalent towards both 'Elina' and 'Erina'. 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リーゼ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:21, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

It's only like that cause the earlier chapters were tl'ed like that and changed for consistency. If Kaito doesn't mind, i'll change 'erinarize' to 'Elinalise', 'begaritto' to 'begarit' and 'Shiron' to 'Shirone', should Zanto port/Wenport stay as it is or be changed to sand port/wind port? There was also talks about Girenu/Ghislaine/Guillain/Ghyslaine but a decision was never made. Please let me know if you want these changed [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 01:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Shouldn't this be discussed amongst the editors? Kaito himself has said that he'd leave things to the editors. I understand my place as well, and will obey the will of the majority. Still, I have the right to stubbornly try and change your minds lol. For one thing, I'm pretty sure Guillain is a man's name, and written as ギラン(giran). ギレーヌ (gireenu) is almost certainly Ghislaine or one of it's variants (Ghyslaine for example) and not Girenu. It's also not Ghislain because that's also a man's name (lol). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Yeah no way I want to change names without a consensus because I'll feel guilty if I destroy people's translations. However I went to AnimeSuki forum and even there they said the only consensus they ever come to is Orsted (instead of Orusuteddo or Orstedd) because there was a roman writing. If you guys need help I can go through and make the names consistent. Just tell us editors what to do. There're like 4-5 version of names out there including the online-translated stuff that didn't get romanized. Give us the trigger and I'll start referring to this page to fix all the names and terminologies. Unlike Vanant while I obey the will of the majority I have no reason to change peoples' minds lol because seems like a lot had already done their research. Oh, can we get more wiki/reference links in the page so new editors know why did people come up with the names? :) [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 10:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Was just reading [[User_talk:Pumkingboyz]] and [[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] was talking about flower names being used for Lilia, Ghislaine, Ginger, and Juliet. Was there a reason we're using Lylia instead of Lilia? Was it game reference? We're not prioritizing flower name usage? [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_%C3%98rsted Orsted.] also if it's the difference between male and female changing Ghislaine with Ghyslaine go with the feminine. Elinalize or whatever is fine. No real references found with her or aisha. Pakkusu should be Pax though, without a doubt, since 'Pax' means peace, and we know he is anything but peaceable. Lilia is not in any DQ game, though you might find it funny that our friend Cliff Grimoire is. From DQ4, also the origin of Zenith (Castle), Kurifuto was a PC if I remember my NES, and I don't. Take away the -to and you have Kurifu. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== ギュエス (gyuesu) ==

I suggest Gyes. In Japanese, the Hekatonkheir Gyes (Γύης) is romanised as ギュエス(gyuesu) or alternatively ギューエース(gyuueesu). Considering all this other shit the guy knows about Greek mythology I'm going to go out on a limb and suppose that he's heard of the hekatonkheires. In the first place, Gyes is one of the hekatonkheires that appears in Owari no Chronicle.

Incidentally, one of its other names is Gyges (Γύγης), is brought into Japanese as ギューゲース (gyuugeesu). 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヘカトンケイル [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Whoa, didn't see ^this link before. Go with that by all means.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:39, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== イゾルテ・クルーエル (izorute kuruueru) ==

Copy of conversation:

You need to have a look at how they romanise things here: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/トリスタンとイゾルデ

Isolde is イゾルデ(izorude) and Iseult is イズールト(izuuruto). You have the grounds to change Iseult to Isolte or something or other, but there's no grounds for you to say that "oh, it's not a 'so' sound but a 'zo' sound so let's change it to Izolte"
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

If you look, you'll notice that イゾルテ is neither of those - it is not ending in 'De', and second syllable is not 'Zu'. Modified reading of Isolde into Isolte, that corresponds to the change of 'de' to 'te', is as good reading as any, unless an example is found of word with existing translation with exactly that reading [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

You're missing my point completely, lol. I'm saying that no matter if it's a テ or a デ, "Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize'" is completely invalid. Iseult and Isolde are both transliterated as 'z' sounds (see righhhhhhhht above this message. I'll even bold it for you.). Not to be rude here, but you're going to have to learn that '''Japanese don't take pronounciation cues from English alone''', buddy. A great example is how they write 'Bach' lol. How about you tell me that バッハ isn't Bach, because Bach should end in a っく sound.

When it comes to fantasy names, they're usually not taken directly from an actual name/location name. That's why we do the best we can to find parts that they may have pieced together, or taken cues from. For example, Iseult and Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:44, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: For the record, I have no idea who this izorute character is lol. I'm just arguing because I can't agree with the basis behind [[User:SinsI|SinsI]]'s modification to Izolte (http://i59.tinypic.com/291gyuw.png). If he's being picky about the 'te' ending instead of 'de' ending, then use Isolte. It makes no sense to use 'izolte' when Japanese have clearly shown that they use イゾ to represent the 'iso' sound in Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:53, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

BTW I was just pointing Iseult wiki page out as the most likely origin for her character (matches her character description as well), Izolte, Izolde, Isolde, or Isolte all work IMO for names, it says right on the wiki page that Isolde is an alternative spelling for Iseult, put that through a Japanese pronunciation grinder and any of those work really. She appears in the Eris side stories along the later volumes, also in volume 16 chapter 5 Letter Arrives that I translated previously. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:23, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

@[[User:SinsI|SinsI]]: As I've said, if you're unhappy with Iseult, then use Isolte. There's no need for Izolte because 1) it's not a name 2) The 'iso' in 'Isolte' is read as 'イゾ(izo)' anyways. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 14:25, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

As much as I lit the fire here... Izolute was how I read it at first, and was just looking for what was phonetically close, because katakana is... well yeah. Honestly, I was wondering if Izolute wasn't some kind of counter word to something like Resolute. If not, I mean, you have Final Fantasy Tactics' good old [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Isilud_Tengille Izlude]it's literally one kana off. イズルード (Izoru-do) instead of イズルテ (Izorute). And we know this guy is all about Square-enix games. We can ignore this character for a while, but she will be dealt with during Eris side stories, and in vol.18 I believe. BUT I'm going to throw this out here. Tristina. Tristina is mentioned around this time as well and you have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_and_Iseult Tristan and Iseult]. I mean yeah it's somewhat stretching it, and honestly, I don't care enough to pursue it at this time. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== リニア(rinia) & プルセナ(purusena) ==

==プルセナ==
I feel that the Porsena Lars thing is grasping at straws a bit. First of all they write him as ポルセナ王(king porusena). Second of all he's not that famous. Pursena is probably just a made up name that Ludicrous Backscratcher came up with.

http://www.oct.zaq.ne.jp/poppo456/in/p_Publicola.htm (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/shizuo_asogawa/e/697fadb7ae033607473d74979fb4e891 (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://wikimatome.com/wiki/ポルセナ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

It's fine to do whatever on this one tbh, I'm not gonna be obstinate. Mainly because I've read this: [http://altneues.com/sagon/haevest/h/Haevest.html Haevest] which happens to have a character in it named Purusena, same as in this one.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:30, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Since her name matches with her sister, should we change that other girl to Tersena? Or should we go with Purusena for this one?
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 22:35, 29 July 2014 (CDT)

==リニア==
Linnea the flower would be リンネ(rinne) wouldn't it? http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リンネソウ

The only mention of リニア(rinia, the character's name) with regards to botanology would be the calandrinia (カランドリニア) so I'm pretty happy with Rinia as things are. ATM the idea that the author was going for some flower naming scheme seems just a tad dubious. Speaking fairly though, I'm only up to volume 8.

As for the Swedish name, it's リネア(rinea):

"スウェーデンで「リネア」は女の子の名前としても大変有名です。" - http://woodenhorse.shop-pro.jp/?pid=42910460 
"In Sweden, the girls' name 'Linnea' is very famous."

Hotel name transliterated as リネア(rinea), not リニア(rinia): http://www.jtb.co.jp/kaigai_fit/fr/v2/hotel/1081529/index.html;jsessionid=D04A45F1D49693C8E9605EEE5703A4C9

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

[https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%E3%83%AA%E3%83%8B%E3%82%A2+and+%E5%90%8D%E5%89%8D+and+Linnea Googled the following: リニア and 名前 and Linnea] It's legit. Some people do pronounce it Lin EE ah リニア, not just Lin AY uh リネア. Honestly if it was me, I wouldn't even attempt to localize any of these names. Until the end Rinia would be Rinia, Purusena Purusena, Gire-nu Gire-nu, etc. I worry that the people who want to do the manga scanlation (BTW chapter 1 is out in Monthly comic flapper- june issue) are going to be taking the naming cues from us. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:11, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

From experience the manga scanlators are worse in romanizing names. e.g. Lots of weird names for Hyouketsu Kyoukai no Eden first time, but the author himself did give the characters some hard-to-pronounce names tho lol. But yeah my first sentence still stands. [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:15, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Oh cool! Stand corrected. -salutes- [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 17:40, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== Bog? Quagmire? Morass? Marshland? Swamp? Mire? Fen? ==

Lets decide this please.

I prefer "Morass" because it makes for a great word in the following chapters.

But i'm willing to settle for "Marshland", "Mire" or "Fen".

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.

--Onizuka-GTO 03:30, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I stand by "Bog" first, he gets comments on how "dirty" his name sounds when his nickname comes up. Though just going with the simple "Mud" might work as well. "Rudeus of the Mud". "Rudmud" or "Mudeus" for short. Lol. That sounds so bad but I don't think his name was intended to sound cool. In terms of English transition Quagmire might work for comedic effect, "Oh Rudeus of the Quagmire you're so dirty~" It's like an unintended English reference. (Or maybe the Author was really just that bad ass to put that into consideration when he came up with it as a reference?) My opinion: 1. Bog, 2. Quagmire 3. Mud --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 04:23, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.
Have to agree with both of these, but the first comment in particular. Seeing peopel write it as 'bog' is just really uhh... Like, I can't imagine that anyone could associate that with respect lol.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 15:12, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

Okay, since Kaito makes a point that it shouldn't be "cool" i can understand it for later usage, but i really can't stand "bog" or "mud", "Quagmire" irritates me, but that's from a cultural standpoint and i suspect for non-western/Native English-speaking readers, the reference wouldn't be an issue.
So i propose that we stick with "Quagmire", as it is not anyones favourite and irritates us all equally, which can be used in later comedic instances.

Onizuka-GTO 01:05, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

== Voiceless or Chantless? ==

Which one? I'm seeing both in the translations.
[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 16:37, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I'm the one who usually uses Voiceless Incantations (I think it started from Silent's translations?), but that might assume he's still using the incantation just in his head. Chantless is the proper way of using it, and you're free to fix them if you see it. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 16:58, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

he doesn't "chant" per se, he "imagines" or virtually 3D builds the magic mentally, therefore i feel "chantless" is more accurate.
Onizuka-GTO 01:07, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

Chantless would certainly be closer to the term used in the Japanese. 無詠唱　[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 04:19, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

==Zenith Greyrat==

Has a decision been made on the name of Rudy mother's name?

its zenith but they havent been updated yet

== Rudi or Rudy? ==

Since someone is changing Rudi to Rudy, we should at least get consensus on this.
I prefer Rudi, but there's no real basis behind it.
--[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 21:36, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I like Rudi plus that's usually what's put on the translation -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:07, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I prefer Rudi as well, that's what Paul uses, that's what Sylphy uses...

Though occasionally they cut Rudeus short in context to Rude as well it's usually a surprised speech or that sort when it comesu p.. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 22:55, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

== Agreed on Names ==

Can we have definitive names for characters and places. I keep on finding different versions of names for locations and people which is frankly irritating since I'm not sure sometimes if it's a new character or what to change it to. Y'all seem to have agreed on a few, but can we list them down here rather than in the discussion up top. Just put them down below so we can change it to be consistent throughout rather than how it is currently. I know it's difficult to decide on the proper name, but it would be very helpful if we had something to base our edits on. I was planning on going back through the chapters and doing some edits since I've got some free time.-[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:51, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

Talk:Mushoku Tensei Names and Terminology

2014-07-31T03:55:52Z

Marrow: /* Agreed on Names */

== Misc ==
http://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/636576/ <--- Author BLOG character bio page (incomplete + spoilers)

http://ncode.syosetu.com/n9669bk/192/ <--- Map 3 raw page, if you want to figure out location names. I'm still bothered over Milis, Milishion, and Arusu (capital of Asura)

Thanks for making this page, it was needed though I'm not good with these types of translations. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 05:28, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

After trying to find out who Zenisu was, the need for such a page became obvious. Please put any names you stumble upon during translation into it so that we can make it uniform throughout the translations. We still need to decide on the variants, though (i.e. Janis or Janice?) [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 05:54, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

The names here and the names in the "Character Introductions" on the Main Page were written differently. Please fix it. --[[User:Yoyoyo5678|Yoyoyo5678]] ([[User talk:Yoyoyo5678|talk]])

Exact names are not yet stabilized. Usually the first translator to stumble upon one decides on it, but here even the same translator frequently switches from one romanization to another. Feel free to discuss any discrepancies here, so that we can select the best ones. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:06, 11 July 2014 (CDT)
Also, sometimes later information forces to correct earlier spelling. I.e. when choosing between Greyrat/Greyrait, later there is a reference to "mousy family name". [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:12, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

SilentWolfie translate Rapurasu(sp) the Demon Lord as Lapius. I think the name is a reference to Laplace's Demon. --[[User:Silereamer|Silereamer]] ([[User talk:Silereamer|talk]]) 02:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

I'd like to piggyback on the former comment about the discrepancy for Zenisu being translated as Janice instead of Zenith. The katakana and no less than 4 translation engines spit 'Zenith' out as a solid match. That being said I'll leave my naming contribs here and let you all decide where to go since I'm fielding vol.7 academy arc. Localization of names I'd rather leave to the editors, since they do the polishing anyways. ザノバ・シーローン Zanoba is an ethiopian name and quite common around north africa. No complaints about Shiron/Shirone as the territory surname attributed to him being prince. ギレーヌ・デドルディア Guillain Dedorudia it's a french name, and perhaps an ironic joke, considering Robert Guillain was a french author on works about the nation of japan who was also an eyewitness to the atom bomb drop on hiroshima (sounds like the mana calamity, right?) クリフ・グリモル Cliff Grimoire yet another play on words to his occupation. A grimoire being quite literally 'book of grammar', though this time in an esoteric sense, since he's quite knowledgeable on written magic formations having to do with the nature of summoning magic. ナナホシ should remain Nanahoshi instead of Sevenstar (or variant), at least until any wordplay becomes prevalent, though there is a great deal of mythos in this series dealing with the number 7. アリエル・アネモイ・アスラ Ariel Anemoi Asura is legit. 'Anemoi' is a greek psuedo-deity of the wind, with the lesser chief wind dieties being Eurus, Boreas, Notos, and Zephyrus (the Grayrat branches in the book) カラヴァッジョ　Caravaggio was a 16th century Italian Painter, other localizations of his name also include Caravage. イゾルテ (Izorute) sounds similar to 'Iseult' of Tristan and Isolde fame. A nice story or fast wikipedia read will show similar details in reference to plot involving her character... sort of anyway. キシリカ・キシリス Kishirika Kishirisu - keep the r's and drop the u if it makes it feel easier to the eyes, otherwise it's fine, I think it's personally a play on the word '軋る' Kishiru; which is an annoying sound like a floorboard squeak or the grating of a metal fence post when you swing it open. And considering her FUHAHAHAHAHA she does near every other line she is quite annoying when she's not being useful. (as well as Badi-Gadi and the other Immortal Devil Kings, there is appropriate wordplay for them as well.) For the beasts of the forest of milis continent ギュエス Gaius from the Dorudia tribe is a play on words and also associates with his daughter the dog-beast girl プルセナ Parusena (Lars Porsena, was a king who besieged rome at one point, and had an attempted assassination by a youth named Gaius, even though the youth failed, His bravado caused king Porsena to enact a peace treaty and lift the siege.) ミニトーナ Minito-na (Minnetona) and テルセナ Terusena (Tersena) I haven't found the complete wordplay on yet, so it might just be random, I'll do some looking into it later on if clues arise. 聖獣様 Seijuu-sama Lit. Esteemed Sacred Animal/Holy Beast-sama. He figures quite a bit in vol 18+ because of the importance of ララ (Lara? Lara just fits best in my mind anyway so far) so confirming what to call his name as should be important. Though He does end up being called "Leo" later on. リニア Rinia. No wordplay with this so far, so keeping this as such for now. I expect some wordplay will fall into place since she is something 人神／ヒトガミ Human God/Hitogami keeps throwing Rudeus' way. And it is important to differentiate 人神 Human God from just 神 God (who happens to be ロキシー/Roxy!). and lastly スペルド族 The Superudo Tribe. A couple takes see it as Spelled (as in having an obvious magic enchantment) and one that I didn't get at first, since my brain read it's katakana as 'Speared' having to do mainly with the tribe's affinity to spears which is a major crux of Ruijerd's plot. Anything is fine though. ラプラス Rapurasu is clearly a reference to the Demon of LaPlace, since he was one of the Immortal Demon Lords according to the 400-year history of the world (just currently sealed away in the fortress Chaos Breaker.) --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 03:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)--

^+100 points, that's some awesome reasoning and precisely why I'm no good with names. One thing on the Holy Beast, I've been translating it that way because of Holy sounds best for most aspects of that continent, technically that entire area uses Saint rather than Holy. IE Saint Beast-sama, Saint Milis, Saint Milis Country would be an alternative name for that one though since every other location is named Kingdom and Saint doesn't fit well as a country/kingdom name, I went with defining it as Holy Milis Kingdom. Also, it could have been taken as Sword Saint/Saint Sword Highway, I don't know if that could have some background in regards to Saint Beasts. One thing I do agree on is the meaning behind Superudo, I think I'm going to switch to using Speared for that one. Also, agree on Laplace Demon (Maxwell is a later mentioned character as well AKA Maxwell's Demon entertaining that page is linked to the Wiki page for Laplace, and Maxwell is related to Atofe I believe both who are related to Laplace if I'm remembering the events right).--[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 06:53, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

Wow, I didn't know there were so many Greek god references but I'm not surprised. About 人神, it's stated in chapter 160 「準備」 that the world knows him as 人神 (pronounced Jinshin) and Hitogami is more like a personal name that few people know, making his full name 人神ヒトガミ (Jinshin Hitogami, perhaps better translated as Human God Hitogami). Leaving his name in romaji also fits with all the times people ask others about him (for example, when Rudeus first asks Ruijerd about 人神, to which Rujierd quizically replies "ヒトガミ？"). That's my opinion. On a side note, I always thought キシリカ's name would sound good written as Kicilica Kicilice, as it seems etymologically similar to the 魔大陸 town リカリス which is close to リコリス/Licorice. Just figured I'd put it out there. (Alternative spelling for maximum mind-screw: Cicilica Cicilice.) --[[User:Myopius|Myopius]] ([[User talk:Myopius|talk]]) 05:34, 14 July 2014 (CDT)

Translations engines are not an authority on romanizations, as well as katakana. Best way to find romanizations for names is to look for known persons with such a romanization. Janice is just as good a match.
Guillain is ギラン, not even close to Girune, which is ギレーヌ [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 22:15, 15 July 2014 (CDT)

Sinisl, because naming sense in katakana is truly a troublesome thing, do you mind if I share how I even came to 'Guillain' as the translation? Before anything else, let me apologize now if I come off sounding rude, I don't mean it to be anything other than an objectionary statement.
Firstly, until just this edit, I haven't consulted a translation engine on the matter. Secondly, isn't ギルーネ Giru-ne and ギレーヌ Gire-nu? I sounded ''''レ'''' as ''le'' opposed to ''re'', and got Gilenu, which if you carry the re/le sound with the hyphen, you get a double vowel result ree/lee, which results in something like Gileenu. The '''ee''' coming off as similar to the ''a'' in s''a''y. Thirdly, is that this author does borrow his fantasy names from a wide range of European sources, and just sounding it out made my intuition say it was french.
But, then I decided to check out what the translation engines and pronunciation engines have to say on the matter, since you did have a good idea there, and got these links as what I guess would be empirical evidence for my claim on the name as Guillain.
[http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%AE%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8C Katakana to English similarities on ギレーヌ] and [http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=guillain French pronunciation of ギレーヌ] with the second link, to me at least the 're' can sound like a 'le' and the 'nu' is just pronounced softly. But if you have a better suggestion than that, please go for it. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, rather, I am just trying to help fill in troublesome blanks if I can. It can stay Gire-nu indefinitely if it's easier for everyone.
And as for ゼニス ... [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%82%B9 Katakana to English similarities for ゼニス]. '''Je'''nice is listed, and I can see a logical jump there, but '''Ja'''nice is more like '''ジャ'''ニス if it's JanISS as opposed to '''ジャ'''ニ'''ー'''ス if it's JahNEESE (yes, ask me how I know two women who pronounce their names that way as well -_-). I just can't wrap my head around the entire oversight of reading ゼ '''ze''' as ジャ '''ja'''. Plus, this author uses Rudeus to spout Dragon Quest related nonsense everywhere, and King Zenith ゼニス王 was a ruler of the floating castle of Dragon Quest 6 also happened to be a human instead of what the previous owners were: dragons, so it's not entirely implausible he would use that name using the Zenith->ChaosBreaker->Pergius chain, since Rudeus makes all those 'I became a sage...' jokes to hysterical comic relief, and Sage just happens to be a recurring class in the DQ series. Anyways, that's just speculation on my part, I just happen to see these weird puns like that littered throughout the novel. Anyway, once again I sincerely apologize if my remarks came off as rude, it is not intentional at all. I'm just trying to be constructive and informative about how I come to reach my naming suggestions. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:08, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ah, of course it is Girenu, eyes get tired of reading katakana so much. Wiki says Ghislaine Thesmar is written as ギレーヌ・テスマー, so that's one good reading right there that doesn't require any inventiveness. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:47, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ghislaine eh? wow that's beautiful, because you just pointed out something interesting. Both a Ghislaine ((Which does have a verifiable prounciation as "Gee-len" [http://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/ghislaine See audio result #2]) and Linnea (リニア)
("Lin-e-AH") [http://www.forvo.com/word/linn%C3%A9a/ Swedish pronunciation of Linnéa.] Are types of Foliage. Ghislaine being a Rose, and Linnea being a Twinflower. That becomes incredibly humorous when you think how Linnea and Pursena are almost always together. I don't think I would have caught that. Nice job!

Girenu or Ghislaine or Guillain or Ghyslaine? Confused cross-referencing this list and AnimeSuki for the names.. We are talking about one character - right? right?
Whenever you guys want I can try to walk through all the pages and fix the names given permission.. Because I'm in the mood for fixing the names.. If we ever reach a conclusion o_O [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 20:33, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

For now, I think we should just stick to the Names and Terminology page for consistency with the current Tled chapters. Once names are finalised, if they need to be changed, they can be done. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:25, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

Just throwing these ones out here again with links, but as Skuizaan already mentioned above possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamba_(mythology) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iseult Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarilo --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 09:13, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

They are a miss: Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize', Jarilo ends with 'ro', not with 'ru'. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Have to agree with [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] in that Jarilo is a complete miss. The 'j' in Jarilo is a 'y' sound: ヤリーロ
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヤリーロ [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 13:00, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Jarilo (Cyrillic: Ярило or Јарило; Polish: Jaryło; Template:Lang-slo; Croatian: Jura or Juraj; Serbian: Đurilo; Slavic: Jarovit), alternatively '''Yarilo, Iarilo,''' or Gerovit, was a Slavic god of vegetation, fertility and springtime. I think we should rename him Gerovit, lol. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== About Rudy's armor ==

It was actually spelled as madou yoroi = magic/magical armor, just like how 魔導書 was spelled as madoushou = magic/magical tome or grimoire for short (well, correct me if I was wrong ^ ^)--[[User:Endo|Endo]] ([[User talk:Endo|talk]]) 00:02, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

== Zantport and Wenport ==

Suggestion: If you're going to be liberal and translate 'wenpooto' as 'Windport', you may as well go the whole mile and translate 'zantopooto' as Sandport.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:01, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Reason being that Japanese don't have trouble rendering 'Wind' as 'Windo' e.g. the word ウィンドサーフィン, or the company 株式会社WIND also written as 株式会社ウィンド. Gunna be frank here; if the author is aware of a name like Ghislaine, then I'd bet that he knows 'wind' is not typically written as 'wen'. In other words, either he's hinting at 'wind', which makes it possible that 'zanto' is hinting at 'sand', or he didn't have 'wind' in mind at all, and it's supposed to be 'wenport'. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:46, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Be a rebel and translate it as Saint Port (though it is the Mirisu side). I didn't think Zanto had the sound of Sand, I guess that does sort of make sense after its pointed out. Names too hard for me I should just start naming all characters with letters, though I would run out and have to mix them with numbers, Rudeus is now called A1 in my translations... --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 01:15, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Gunna rebel and start using Rooday'Az.[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 11:52, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

As for the wenpooto/zantopooto business, I would like to let alllllll you editors know, that I personally feel that you either stay fundamentalist for both (Wenport and Zantport), or liberal for both (Windport and Sandport). Also, I don't think there's a problem with Begaritto IMO, unless someone finds convincingly corresponding sounds in names of European places. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: Also, still waiting on your input about changing the MC's name to Rooday'Az lol. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:27, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

When it comes to names I have no issue with any changes to them it's better if they're all the same across the board. Just try to avoid any names that might massively alter the meaning. That Special/Good Life thing in volume 7 bothers me a bit in such a way. I always thought of Girenu as a Gelaine kind of name but if you guys want to take that as a Ghyslaine, that's similar and fine, just don't expect me to remember how to type it out like that when I'm translating it later, your free to fix it after to whatever is decided. Also, I mentioned it as a joke before but after giving it some thought I seriously started to consider Zanto = Saint, Saint Port as a connection point between what should have been Country of Saint Milis and it's at one end of the Sword Saint Highway. Anyways, good luck with the names no need to ask me any further. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 07:45, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Mmn, I think Saint Port might be good too. I just suggested Sand Port because I found it weird that 'wenpooto' was taken so liberally (I don't think a normal Japanese would get 'wind' from 'ウェン'), but you guys didn't noticed that 'zantopooto' might be sand in that case. If anything, you should be using Wenport and Sandport, not Windport and Zantoport (which would be much more normal for Japanese).

The reason is because 'zanto' resembles the German/Dutch pronunciation of 'sand', and so the four letter combination 'sand' ends up as ザント in Japanese.

e.g. in Log Horizon, ザント is used in the name of a place called ザントリーフ (taken by most translators as Sand Leaf). e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ザントハウゼン (Sandhausen) 
e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/マルティン・ザントベルガー (Martin Sandberger) 

On the other hand, the four letter combination 'wind' is basically always ウィンド (windo) and not ウェン (wen). For this reason, imo the possible names should be like this, from most liberal to most fundamentalist:

1. Saint Port and Wind Port 
2. Sand Port and Wind Port 
3. Sandport and Wenport 
4. Zantport and Wenport 

And yeah, the Special/Good Life thing is bothering me as well lol. It's weird because in English we don't associate 'life' with 'student'. Readers might get the wrong impression. Honestly "the Good Life" sounds like the name of some pyramid scam.
Also I think that Gelaine might be a corruption of Ghislaine. I've personally never heard of Gelaine though, but it doesn't seem popular judging by google searches. It's just conjecture, but perhaps it's an 'alternate' spelling of Ghislaine. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 09:37, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== Shiron Kingdom ==

Throwing in support for 'Shirone' or something like that instead of Shiron. Reading the raws for volume 7 at the moment, and found that it's シーローン王国. Usually the long 'roon' (ローン) is used for words that sound like 'lawn' (as in the grass) or loan (as in the investment). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:55, 21 July 2014 (CDT)

At animesuki I saw them use Pax Shiron/Shirone instead of Pakkusu, since its a fairly well known latin word. Its also ironic considering the prince is anything but peaceful.--[[User:Nosobi|Nosobi]] ([[User talk:Nosobi|talk]]) 22:07, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== エリナリーゼ ==

Would like to suggest ending エリナリーゼ's name in lise or liese, as it is reminiscent of the German/French name ending. I'm currently suggesting Elinalise as it sounds like parts of a real name, but as I realise there's no long vowel in エリナ, I'm ambivalent towards both 'Elina' and 'Erina'. 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リーゼ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:21, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

It's only like that cause the earlier chapters were tl'ed like that and changed for consistency. If Kaito doesn't mind, i'll change 'erinarize' to 'Elinalise', 'begaritto' to 'begarit' and 'Shiron' to 'Shirone', should Zanto port/Wenport stay as it is or be changed to sand port/wind port? There was also talks about Girenu/Ghislaine/Guillain/Ghyslaine but a decision was never made. Please let me know if you want these changed [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 01:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Shouldn't this be discussed amongst the editors? Kaito himself has said that he'd leave things to the editors. I understand my place as well, and will obey the will of the majority. Still, I have the right to stubbornly try and change your minds lol. For one thing, I'm pretty sure Guillain is a man's name, and written as ギラン(giran). ギレーヌ (gireenu) is almost certainly Ghislaine or one of it's variants (Ghyslaine for example) and not Girenu. It's also not Ghislain because that's also a man's name (lol). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Yeah no way I want to change names without a consensus because I'll feel guilty if I destroy people's translations. However I went to AnimeSuki forum and even there they said the only consensus they ever come to is Orsted (instead of Orusuteddo or Orstedd) because there was a roman writing. If you guys need help I can go through and make the names consistent. Just tell us editors what to do. There're like 4-5 version of names out there including the online-translated stuff that didn't get romanized. Give us the trigger and I'll start referring to this page to fix all the names and terminologies. Unlike Vanant while I obey the will of the majority I have no reason to change peoples' minds lol because seems like a lot had already done their research. Oh, can we get more wiki/reference links in the page so new editors know why did people come up with the names? :) [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 10:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Was just reading [[User_talk:Pumkingboyz]] and [[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] was talking about flower names being used for Lilia, Ghislaine, Ginger, and Juliet. Was there a reason we're using Lylia instead of Lilia? Was it game reference? We're not prioritizing flower name usage? [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_%C3%98rsted Orsted.] also if it's the difference between male and female changing Ghislaine with Ghyslaine go with the feminine. Elinalize or whatever is fine. No real references found with her or aisha. Pakkusu should be Pax though, without a doubt, since 'Pax' means peace, and we know he is anything but peaceable. Lilia is not in any DQ game, though you might find it funny that our friend Cliff Grimoire is. From DQ4, also the origin of Zenith (Castle), Kurifuto was a PC if I remember my NES, and I don't. Take away the -to and you have Kurifu. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== ギュエス (gyuesu) ==

I suggest Gyes. In Japanese, the Hekatonkheir Gyes (Γύης) is romanised as ギュエス(gyuesu) or alternatively ギューエース(gyuueesu). Considering all this other shit the guy knows about Greek mythology I'm going to go out on a limb and suppose that he's heard of the hekatonkheires. In the first place, Gyes is one of the hekatonkheires that appears in Owari no Chronicle.

Incidentally, one of its other names is Gyges (Γύγης), is brought into Japanese as ギューゲース (gyuugeesu). 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヘカトンケイル [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Whoa, didn't see ^this link before. Go with that by all means.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:39, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== イゾルテ・クルーエル (izorute kuruueru) ==

Copy of conversation:

You need to have a look at how they romanise things here: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/トリスタンとイゾルデ

Isolde is イゾルデ(izorude) and Iseult is イズールト(izuuruto). You have the grounds to change Iseult to Isolte or something or other, but there's no grounds for you to say that "oh, it's not a 'so' sound but a 'zo' sound so let's change it to Izolte"
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

If you look, you'll notice that イゾルテ is neither of those - it is not ending in 'De', and second syllable is not 'Zu'. Modified reading of Isolde into Isolte, that corresponds to the change of 'de' to 'te', is as good reading as any, unless an example is found of word with existing translation with exactly that reading [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

You're missing my point completely, lol. I'm saying that no matter if it's a テ or a デ, "Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize'" is completely invalid. Iseult and Isolde are both transliterated as 'z' sounds (see righhhhhhhht above this message. I'll even bold it for you.). Not to be rude here, but you're going to have to learn that '''Japanese don't take pronounciation cues from English alone''', buddy. A great example is how they write 'Bach' lol. How about you tell me that バッハ isn't Bach, because Bach should end in a っく sound.

When it comes to fantasy names, they're usually not taken directly from an actual name/location name. That's why we do the best we can to find parts that they may have pieced together, or taken cues from. For example, Iseult and Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:44, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: For the record, I have no idea who this izorute character is lol. I'm just arguing because I can't agree with the basis behind [[User:SinsI|SinsI]]'s modification to Izolte (http://i59.tinypic.com/291gyuw.png). If he's being picky about the 'te' ending instead of 'de' ending, then use Isolte. It makes no sense to use 'izolte' when Japanese have clearly shown that they use イゾ to represent the 'iso' sound in Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:53, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

BTW I was just pointing Iseult wiki page out as the most likely origin for her character (matches her character description as well), Izolte, Izolde, Isolde, or Isolte all work IMO for names, it says right on the wiki page that Isolde is an alternative spelling for Iseult, put that through a Japanese pronunciation grinder and any of those work really. She appears in the Eris side stories along the later volumes, also in volume 16 chapter 5 Letter Arrives that I translated previously. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:23, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

@[[User:SinsI|SinsI]]: As I've said, if you're unhappy with Iseult, then use Isolte. There's no need for Izolte because 1) it's not a name 2) The 'iso' in 'Isolte' is read as 'イゾ(izo)' anyways. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 14:25, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

As much as I lit the fire here... Izolute was how I read it at first, and was just looking for what was phonetically close, because katakana is... well yeah. Honestly, I was wondering if Izolute wasn't some kind of counter word to something like Resolute. If not, I mean, you have Final Fantasy Tactics' good old [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Isilud_Tengille Izlude]it's literally one kana off. イズルード (Izoru-do) instead of イズルテ (Izorute). And we know this guy is all about Square-enix games. We can ignore this character for a while, but she will be dealt with during Eris side stories, and in vol.18 I believe. BUT I'm going to throw this out here. Tristina. Tristina is mentioned around this time as well and you have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_and_Iseult Tristan and Iseult]. I mean yeah it's somewhat stretching it, and honestly, I don't care enough to pursue it at this time. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== リニア(rinia) & プルセナ(purusena) ==

==プルセナ==
I feel that the Porsena Lars thing is grasping at straws a bit. First of all they write him as ポルセナ王(king porusena). Second of all he's not that famous. Pursena is probably just a made up name that Ludicrous Backscratcher came up with.

http://www.oct.zaq.ne.jp/poppo456/in/p_Publicola.htm (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/shizuo_asogawa/e/697fadb7ae033607473d74979fb4e891 (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://wikimatome.com/wiki/ポルセナ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

It's fine to do whatever on this one tbh, I'm not gonna be obstinate. Mainly because I've read this: [http://altneues.com/sagon/haevest/h/Haevest.html Haevest] which happens to have a character in it named Purusena, same as in this one.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:30, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Since her name matches with her sister, should we change that other girl to Tersena? Or should we go with Purusena for this one?
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 22:35, 29 July 2014 (CDT)

==リニア==
Linnea the flower would be リンネ(rinne) wouldn't it? http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リンネソウ

The only mention of リニア(rinia, the character's name) with regards to botanology would be the calandrinia (カランドリニア) so I'm pretty happy with Rinia as things are. ATM the idea that the author was going for some flower naming scheme seems just a tad dubious. Speaking fairly though, I'm only up to volume 8.

As for the Swedish name, it's リネア(rinea):

"スウェーデンで「リネア」は女の子の名前としても大変有名です。" - http://woodenhorse.shop-pro.jp/?pid=42910460 
"In Sweden, the girls' name 'Linnea' is very famous."

Hotel name transliterated as リネア(rinea), not リニア(rinia): http://www.jtb.co.jp/kaigai_fit/fr/v2/hotel/1081529/index.html;jsessionid=D04A45F1D49693C8E9605EEE5703A4C9

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

[https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%E3%83%AA%E3%83%8B%E3%82%A2+and+%E5%90%8D%E5%89%8D+and+Linnea Googled the following: リニア and 名前 and Linnea] It's legit. Some people do pronounce it Lin EE ah リニア, not just Lin AY uh リネア. Honestly if it was me, I wouldn't even attempt to localize any of these names. Until the end Rinia would be Rinia, Purusena Purusena, Gire-nu Gire-nu, etc. I worry that the people who want to do the manga scanlation (BTW chapter 1 is out in Monthly comic flapper- june issue) are going to be taking the naming cues from us. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:11, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

From experience the manga scanlators are worse in romanizing names. e.g. Lots of weird names for Hyouketsu Kyoukai no Eden first time, but the author himself did give the characters some hard-to-pronounce names tho lol. But yeah my first sentence still stands. [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:15, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Oh cool! Stand corrected. -salutes- [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 17:40, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== Bog? Quagmire? Morass? Marshland? Swamp? Mire? Fen? ==

Lets decide this please.

I prefer "Morass" because it makes for a great word in the following chapters.

But i'm willing to settle for "Marshland", "Mire" or "Fen".

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.

--Onizuka-GTO 03:30, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I stand by "Bog" first, he gets comments on how "dirty" his name sounds when his nickname comes up. Though just going with the simple "Mud" might work as well. "Rudeus of the Mud". "Rudmud" or "Mudeus" for short. Lol. That sounds so bad but I don't think his name was intended to sound cool. In terms of English transition Quagmire might work for comedic effect, "Oh Rudeus of the Quagmire you're so dirty~" It's like an unintended English reference. (Or maybe the Author was really just that bad ass to put that into consideration when he came up with it as a reference?) My opinion: 1. Bog, 2. Quagmire 3. Mud --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 04:23, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.
Have to agree with both of these, but the first comment in particular. Seeing peopel write it as 'bog' is just really uhh... Like, I can't imagine that anyone could associate that with respect lol.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 15:12, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

Okay, since Kaito makes a point that it shouldn't be "cool" i can understand it for later usage, but i really can't stand "bog" or "mud", "Quagmire" irritates me, but that's from a cultural standpoint and i suspect for non-western/Native English-speaking readers, the reference wouldn't be an issue.
So i propose that we stick with "Quagmire", as it is not anyones favourite and irritates us all equally, which can be used in later comedic instances.

Onizuka-GTO 01:05, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

== Voiceless or Chantless? ==

Which one? I'm seeing both in the translations.
[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 16:37, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I'm the one who usually uses Voiceless Incantations (I think it started from Silent's translations?), but that might assume he's still using the incantation just in his head. Chantless is the proper way of using it, and you're free to fix them if you see it. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 16:58, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

he doesn't "chant" per se, he "imagines" or virtually 3D builds the magic mentally, therefore i feel "chantless" is more accurate.
Onizuka-GTO 01:07, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

Chantless would certainly be closer to the term used in the Japanese. 無詠唱　[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 04:19, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

==Zenith Greyrat==

Has a decision been made on the name of Rudy mother's name?

its zenith but they havent been updated yet

== Rudi or Rudy? ==

Since someone is changing Rudi to Rudy, we should at least get consensus on this.
I prefer Rudi, but there's no real basis behind it.
--[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 21:36, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I like Rudi plus that's usually what's put on the translation -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:07, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I prefer Rudi as well, that's what Paul uses, that's what Sylphy uses...

Though occasionally they cut Rudeus short in context to Rude as well it's usually a surprised speech or that sort when it comesu p.. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 22:55, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

== Agreed on Names ==

Can we have definitive names for characters and places. I keep on finding different versions of names for locations and people which is frankly irritating since I'm not sure sometimes if it's a new character or what to change it to. Y'all seem to have agreed on a few, but can we list them down here rather than in the discussion up top. Just put them down below so we can change it to be consistent throughout rather than how it is currently. I know it's difficult to decide on the proper name, but it would be very helpful if we had something to base our edits on. -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:51, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

Talk:Mushoku Tensei Names and Terminology

2014-07-31T03:51:35Z

Marrow:

== Misc ==
http://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/636576/ <--- Author BLOG character bio page (incomplete + spoilers)

http://ncode.syosetu.com/n9669bk/192/ <--- Map 3 raw page, if you want to figure out location names. I'm still bothered over Milis, Milishion, and Arusu (capital of Asura)

Thanks for making this page, it was needed though I'm not good with these types of translations. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 05:28, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

After trying to find out who Zenisu was, the need for such a page became obvious. Please put any names you stumble upon during translation into it so that we can make it uniform throughout the translations. We still need to decide on the variants, though (i.e. Janis or Janice?) [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 05:54, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

The names here and the names in the "Character Introductions" on the Main Page were written differently. Please fix it. --[[User:Yoyoyo5678|Yoyoyo5678]] ([[User talk:Yoyoyo5678|talk]])

Exact names are not yet stabilized. Usually the first translator to stumble upon one decides on it, but here even the same translator frequently switches from one romanization to another. Feel free to discuss any discrepancies here, so that we can select the best ones. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:06, 11 July 2014 (CDT)
Also, sometimes later information forces to correct earlier spelling. I.e. when choosing between Greyrat/Greyrait, later there is a reference to "mousy family name". [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:12, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

SilentWolfie translate Rapurasu(sp) the Demon Lord as Lapius. I think the name is a reference to Laplace's Demon. --[[User:Silereamer|Silereamer]] ([[User talk:Silereamer|talk]]) 02:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

I'd like to piggyback on the former comment about the discrepancy for Zenisu being translated as Janice instead of Zenith. The katakana and no less than 4 translation engines spit 'Zenith' out as a solid match. That being said I'll leave my naming contribs here and let you all decide where to go since I'm fielding vol.7 academy arc. Localization of names I'd rather leave to the editors, since they do the polishing anyways. ザノバ・シーローン Zanoba is an ethiopian name and quite common around north africa. No complaints about Shiron/Shirone as the territory surname attributed to him being prince. ギレーヌ・デドルディア Guillain Dedorudia it's a french name, and perhaps an ironic joke, considering Robert Guillain was a french author on works about the nation of japan who was also an eyewitness to the atom bomb drop on hiroshima (sounds like the mana calamity, right?) クリフ・グリモル Cliff Grimoire yet another play on words to his occupation. A grimoire being quite literally 'book of grammar', though this time in an esoteric sense, since he's quite knowledgeable on written magic formations having to do with the nature of summoning magic. ナナホシ should remain Nanahoshi instead of Sevenstar (or variant), at least until any wordplay becomes prevalent, though there is a great deal of mythos in this series dealing with the number 7. アリエル・アネモイ・アスラ Ariel Anemoi Asura is legit. 'Anemoi' is a greek psuedo-deity of the wind, with the lesser chief wind dieties being Eurus, Boreas, Notos, and Zephyrus (the Grayrat branches in the book) カラヴァッジョ　Caravaggio was a 16th century Italian Painter, other localizations of his name also include Caravage. イゾルテ (Izorute) sounds similar to 'Iseult' of Tristan and Isolde fame. A nice story or fast wikipedia read will show similar details in reference to plot involving her character... sort of anyway. キシリカ・キシリス Kishirika Kishirisu - keep the r's and drop the u if it makes it feel easier to the eyes, otherwise it's fine, I think it's personally a play on the word '軋る' Kishiru; which is an annoying sound like a floorboard squeak or the grating of a metal fence post when you swing it open. And considering her FUHAHAHAHAHA she does near every other line she is quite annoying when she's not being useful. (as well as Badi-Gadi and the other Immortal Devil Kings, there is appropriate wordplay for them as well.) For the beasts of the forest of milis continent ギュエス Gaius from the Dorudia tribe is a play on words and also associates with his daughter the dog-beast girl プルセナ Parusena (Lars Porsena, was a king who besieged rome at one point, and had an attempted assassination by a youth named Gaius, even though the youth failed, His bravado caused king Porsena to enact a peace treaty and lift the siege.) ミニトーナ Minito-na (Minnetona) and テルセナ Terusena (Tersena) I haven't found the complete wordplay on yet, so it might just be random, I'll do some looking into it later on if clues arise. 聖獣様 Seijuu-sama Lit. Esteemed Sacred Animal/Holy Beast-sama. He figures quite a bit in vol 18+ because of the importance of ララ (Lara? Lara just fits best in my mind anyway so far) so confirming what to call his name as should be important. Though He does end up being called "Leo" later on. リニア Rinia. No wordplay with this so far, so keeping this as such for now. I expect some wordplay will fall into place since she is something 人神／ヒトガミ Human God/Hitogami keeps throwing Rudeus' way. And it is important to differentiate 人神 Human God from just 神 God (who happens to be ロキシー/Roxy!). and lastly スペルド族 The Superudo Tribe. A couple takes see it as Spelled (as in having an obvious magic enchantment) and one that I didn't get at first, since my brain read it's katakana as 'Speared' having to do mainly with the tribe's affinity to spears which is a major crux of Ruijerd's plot. Anything is fine though. ラプラス Rapurasu is clearly a reference to the Demon of LaPlace, since he was one of the Immortal Demon Lords according to the 400-year history of the world (just currently sealed away in the fortress Chaos Breaker.) --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 03:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)--

^+100 points, that's some awesome reasoning and precisely why I'm no good with names. One thing on the Holy Beast, I've been translating it that way because of Holy sounds best for most aspects of that continent, technically that entire area uses Saint rather than Holy. IE Saint Beast-sama, Saint Milis, Saint Milis Country would be an alternative name for that one though since every other location is named Kingdom and Saint doesn't fit well as a country/kingdom name, I went with defining it as Holy Milis Kingdom. Also, it could have been taken as Sword Saint/Saint Sword Highway, I don't know if that could have some background in regards to Saint Beasts. One thing I do agree on is the meaning behind Superudo, I think I'm going to switch to using Speared for that one. Also, agree on Laplace Demon (Maxwell is a later mentioned character as well AKA Maxwell's Demon entertaining that page is linked to the Wiki page for Laplace, and Maxwell is related to Atofe I believe both who are related to Laplace if I'm remembering the events right).--[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 06:53, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

Wow, I didn't know there were so many Greek god references but I'm not surprised. About 人神, it's stated in chapter 160 「準備」 that the world knows him as 人神 (pronounced Jinshin) and Hitogami is more like a personal name that few people know, making his full name 人神ヒトガミ (Jinshin Hitogami, perhaps better translated as Human God Hitogami). Leaving his name in romaji also fits with all the times people ask others about him (for example, when Rudeus first asks Ruijerd about 人神, to which Rujierd quizically replies "ヒトガミ？"). That's my opinion. On a side note, I always thought キシリカ's name would sound good written as Kicilica Kicilice, as it seems etymologically similar to the 魔大陸 town リカリス which is close to リコリス/Licorice. Just figured I'd put it out there. (Alternative spelling for maximum mind-screw: Cicilica Cicilice.) --[[User:Myopius|Myopius]] ([[User talk:Myopius|talk]]) 05:34, 14 July 2014 (CDT)

Translations engines are not an authority on romanizations, as well as katakana. Best way to find romanizations for names is to look for known persons with such a romanization. Janice is just as good a match.
Guillain is ギラン, not even close to Girune, which is ギレーヌ [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 22:15, 15 July 2014 (CDT)

Sinisl, because naming sense in katakana is truly a troublesome thing, do you mind if I share how I even came to 'Guillain' as the translation? Before anything else, let me apologize now if I come off sounding rude, I don't mean it to be anything other than an objectionary statement.
Firstly, until just this edit, I haven't consulted a translation engine on the matter. Secondly, isn't ギルーネ Giru-ne and ギレーヌ Gire-nu? I sounded ''''レ'''' as ''le'' opposed to ''re'', and got Gilenu, which if you carry the re/le sound with the hyphen, you get a double vowel result ree/lee, which results in something like Gileenu. The '''ee''' coming off as similar to the ''a'' in s''a''y. Thirdly, is that this author does borrow his fantasy names from a wide range of European sources, and just sounding it out made my intuition say it was french.
But, then I decided to check out what the translation engines and pronunciation engines have to say on the matter, since you did have a good idea there, and got these links as what I guess would be empirical evidence for my claim on the name as Guillain.
[http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%AE%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8C Katakana to English similarities on ギレーヌ] and [http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=guillain French pronunciation of ギレーヌ] with the second link, to me at least the 're' can sound like a 'le' and the 'nu' is just pronounced softly. But if you have a better suggestion than that, please go for it. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, rather, I am just trying to help fill in troublesome blanks if I can. It can stay Gire-nu indefinitely if it's easier for everyone.
And as for ゼニス ... [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%82%B9 Katakana to English similarities for ゼニス]. '''Je'''nice is listed, and I can see a logical jump there, but '''Ja'''nice is more like '''ジャ'''ニス if it's JanISS as opposed to '''ジャ'''ニ'''ー'''ス if it's JahNEESE (yes, ask me how I know two women who pronounce their names that way as well -_-). I just can't wrap my head around the entire oversight of reading ゼ '''ze''' as ジャ '''ja'''. Plus, this author uses Rudeus to spout Dragon Quest related nonsense everywhere, and King Zenith ゼニス王 was a ruler of the floating castle of Dragon Quest 6 also happened to be a human instead of what the previous owners were: dragons, so it's not entirely implausible he would use that name using the Zenith->ChaosBreaker->Pergius chain, since Rudeus makes all those 'I became a sage...' jokes to hysterical comic relief, and Sage just happens to be a recurring class in the DQ series. Anyways, that's just speculation on my part, I just happen to see these weird puns like that littered throughout the novel. Anyway, once again I sincerely apologize if my remarks came off as rude, it is not intentional at all. I'm just trying to be constructive and informative about how I come to reach my naming suggestions. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:08, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ah, of course it is Girenu, eyes get tired of reading katakana so much. Wiki says Ghislaine Thesmar is written as ギレーヌ・テスマー, so that's one good reading right there that doesn't require any inventiveness. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:47, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ghislaine eh? wow that's beautiful, because you just pointed out something interesting. Both a Ghislaine ((Which does have a verifiable prounciation as "Gee-len" [http://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/ghislaine See audio result #2]) and Linnea (リニア)
("Lin-e-AH") [http://www.forvo.com/word/linn%C3%A9a/ Swedish pronunciation of Linnéa.] Are types of Foliage. Ghislaine being a Rose, and Linnea being a Twinflower. That becomes incredibly humorous when you think how Linnea and Pursena are almost always together. I don't think I would have caught that. Nice job!

Girenu or Ghislaine or Guillain or Ghyslaine? Confused cross-referencing this list and AnimeSuki for the names.. We are talking about one character - right? right?
Whenever you guys want I can try to walk through all the pages and fix the names given permission.. Because I'm in the mood for fixing the names.. If we ever reach a conclusion o_O [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 20:33, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

For now, I think we should just stick to the Names and Terminology page for consistency with the current Tled chapters. Once names are finalised, if they need to be changed, they can be done. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:25, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

Just throwing these ones out here again with links, but as Skuizaan already mentioned above possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamba_(mythology) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iseult Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarilo --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 09:13, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

They are a miss: Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize', Jarilo ends with 'ro', not with 'ru'. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Have to agree with [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] in that Jarilo is a complete miss. The 'j' in Jarilo is a 'y' sound: ヤリーロ
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヤリーロ [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 13:00, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Jarilo (Cyrillic: Ярило or Јарило; Polish: Jaryło; Template:Lang-slo; Croatian: Jura or Juraj; Serbian: Đurilo; Slavic: Jarovit), alternatively '''Yarilo, Iarilo,''' or Gerovit, was a Slavic god of vegetation, fertility and springtime. I think we should rename him Gerovit, lol. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== About Rudy's armor ==

It was actually spelled as madou yoroi = magic/magical armor, just like how 魔導書 was spelled as madoushou = magic/magical tome or grimoire for short (well, correct me if I was wrong ^ ^)--[[User:Endo|Endo]] ([[User talk:Endo|talk]]) 00:02, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

== Zantport and Wenport ==

Suggestion: If you're going to be liberal and translate 'wenpooto' as 'Windport', you may as well go the whole mile and translate 'zantopooto' as Sandport.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:01, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Reason being that Japanese don't have trouble rendering 'Wind' as 'Windo' e.g. the word ウィンドサーフィン, or the company 株式会社WIND also written as 株式会社ウィンド. Gunna be frank here; if the author is aware of a name like Ghislaine, then I'd bet that he knows 'wind' is not typically written as 'wen'. In other words, either he's hinting at 'wind', which makes it possible that 'zanto' is hinting at 'sand', or he didn't have 'wind' in mind at all, and it's supposed to be 'wenport'. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:46, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Be a rebel and translate it as Saint Port (though it is the Mirisu side). I didn't think Zanto had the sound of Sand, I guess that does sort of make sense after its pointed out. Names too hard for me I should just start naming all characters with letters, though I would run out and have to mix them with numbers, Rudeus is now called A1 in my translations... --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 01:15, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Gunna rebel and start using Rooday'Az.[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 11:52, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

As for the wenpooto/zantopooto business, I would like to let alllllll you editors know, that I personally feel that you either stay fundamentalist for both (Wenport and Zantport), or liberal for both (Windport and Sandport). Also, I don't think there's a problem with Begaritto IMO, unless someone finds convincingly corresponding sounds in names of European places. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: Also, still waiting on your input about changing the MC's name to Rooday'Az lol. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:27, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

When it comes to names I have no issue with any changes to them it's better if they're all the same across the board. Just try to avoid any names that might massively alter the meaning. That Special/Good Life thing in volume 7 bothers me a bit in such a way. I always thought of Girenu as a Gelaine kind of name but if you guys want to take that as a Ghyslaine, that's similar and fine, just don't expect me to remember how to type it out like that when I'm translating it later, your free to fix it after to whatever is decided. Also, I mentioned it as a joke before but after giving it some thought I seriously started to consider Zanto = Saint, Saint Port as a connection point between what should have been Country of Saint Milis and it's at one end of the Sword Saint Highway. Anyways, good luck with the names no need to ask me any further. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 07:45, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Mmn, I think Saint Port might be good too. I just suggested Sand Port because I found it weird that 'wenpooto' was taken so liberally (I don't think a normal Japanese would get 'wind' from 'ウェン'), but you guys didn't noticed that 'zantopooto' might be sand in that case. If anything, you should be using Wenport and Sandport, not Windport and Zantoport (which would be much more normal for Japanese).

The reason is because 'zanto' resembles the German/Dutch pronunciation of 'sand', and so the four letter combination 'sand' ends up as ザント in Japanese.

e.g. in Log Horizon, ザント is used in the name of a place called ザントリーフ (taken by most translators as Sand Leaf). e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ザントハウゼン (Sandhausen) 
e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/マルティン・ザントベルガー (Martin Sandberger) 

On the other hand, the four letter combination 'wind' is basically always ウィンド (windo) and not ウェン (wen). For this reason, imo the possible names should be like this, from most liberal to most fundamentalist:

1. Saint Port and Wind Port 
2. Sand Port and Wind Port 
3. Sandport and Wenport 
4. Zantport and Wenport 

And yeah, the Special/Good Life thing is bothering me as well lol. It's weird because in English we don't associate 'life' with 'student'. Readers might get the wrong impression. Honestly "the Good Life" sounds like the name of some pyramid scam.
Also I think that Gelaine might be a corruption of Ghislaine. I've personally never heard of Gelaine though, but it doesn't seem popular judging by google searches. It's just conjecture, but perhaps it's an 'alternate' spelling of Ghislaine. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 09:37, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== Shiron Kingdom ==

Throwing in support for 'Shirone' or something like that instead of Shiron. Reading the raws for volume 7 at the moment, and found that it's シーローン王国. Usually the long 'roon' (ローン) is used for words that sound like 'lawn' (as in the grass) or loan (as in the investment). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:55, 21 July 2014 (CDT)

At animesuki I saw them use Pax Shiron/Shirone instead of Pakkusu, since its a fairly well known latin word. Its also ironic considering the prince is anything but peaceful.--[[User:Nosobi|Nosobi]] ([[User talk:Nosobi|talk]]) 22:07, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== エリナリーゼ ==

Would like to suggest ending エリナリーゼ's name in lise or liese, as it is reminiscent of the German/French name ending. I'm currently suggesting Elinalise as it sounds like parts of a real name, but as I realise there's no long vowel in エリナ, I'm ambivalent towards both 'Elina' and 'Erina'. 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リーゼ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:21, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

It's only like that cause the earlier chapters were tl'ed like that and changed for consistency. If Kaito doesn't mind, i'll change 'erinarize' to 'Elinalise', 'begaritto' to 'begarit' and 'Shiron' to 'Shirone', should Zanto port/Wenport stay as it is or be changed to sand port/wind port? There was also talks about Girenu/Ghislaine/Guillain/Ghyslaine but a decision was never made. Please let me know if you want these changed [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 01:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Shouldn't this be discussed amongst the editors? Kaito himself has said that he'd leave things to the editors. I understand my place as well, and will obey the will of the majority. Still, I have the right to stubbornly try and change your minds lol. For one thing, I'm pretty sure Guillain is a man's name, and written as ギラン(giran). ギレーヌ (gireenu) is almost certainly Ghislaine or one of it's variants (Ghyslaine for example) and not Girenu. It's also not Ghislain because that's also a man's name (lol). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Yeah no way I want to change names without a consensus because I'll feel guilty if I destroy people's translations. However I went to AnimeSuki forum and even there they said the only consensus they ever come to is Orsted (instead of Orusuteddo or Orstedd) because there was a roman writing. If you guys need help I can go through and make the names consistent. Just tell us editors what to do. There're like 4-5 version of names out there including the online-translated stuff that didn't get romanized. Give us the trigger and I'll start referring to this page to fix all the names and terminologies. Unlike Vanant while I obey the will of the majority I have no reason to change peoples' minds lol because seems like a lot had already done their research. Oh, can we get more wiki/reference links in the page so new editors know why did people come up with the names? :) [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 10:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Was just reading [[User_talk:Pumkingboyz]] and [[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] was talking about flower names being used for Lilia, Ghislaine, Ginger, and Juliet. Was there a reason we're using Lylia instead of Lilia? Was it game reference? We're not prioritizing flower name usage? [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_%C3%98rsted Orsted.] also if it's the difference between male and female changing Ghislaine with Ghyslaine go with the feminine. Elinalize or whatever is fine. No real references found with her or aisha. Pakkusu should be Pax though, without a doubt, since 'Pax' means peace, and we know he is anything but peaceable. Lilia is not in any DQ game, though you might find it funny that our friend Cliff Grimoire is. From DQ4, also the origin of Zenith (Castle), Kurifuto was a PC if I remember my NES, and I don't. Take away the -to and you have Kurifu. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== ギュエス (gyuesu) ==

I suggest Gyes. In Japanese, the Hekatonkheir Gyes (Γύης) is romanised as ギュエス(gyuesu) or alternatively ギューエース(gyuueesu). Considering all this other shit the guy knows about Greek mythology I'm going to go out on a limb and suppose that he's heard of the hekatonkheires. In the first place, Gyes is one of the hekatonkheires that appears in Owari no Chronicle.

Incidentally, one of its other names is Gyges (Γύγης), is brought into Japanese as ギューゲース (gyuugeesu). 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヘカトンケイル [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Whoa, didn't see ^this link before. Go with that by all means.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:39, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== イゾルテ・クルーエル (izorute kuruueru) ==

Copy of conversation:

You need to have a look at how they romanise things here: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/トリスタンとイゾルデ

Isolde is イゾルデ(izorude) and Iseult is イズールト(izuuruto). You have the grounds to change Iseult to Isolte or something or other, but there's no grounds for you to say that "oh, it's not a 'so' sound but a 'zo' sound so let's change it to Izolte"
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

If you look, you'll notice that イゾルテ is neither of those - it is not ending in 'De', and second syllable is not 'Zu'. Modified reading of Isolde into Isolte, that corresponds to the change of 'de' to 'te', is as good reading as any, unless an example is found of word with existing translation with exactly that reading [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

You're missing my point completely, lol. I'm saying that no matter if it's a テ or a デ, "Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize'" is completely invalid. Iseult and Isolde are both transliterated as 'z' sounds (see righhhhhhhht above this message. I'll even bold it for you.). Not to be rude here, but you're going to have to learn that '''Japanese don't take pronounciation cues from English alone''', buddy. A great example is how they write 'Bach' lol. How about you tell me that バッハ isn't Bach, because Bach should end in a っく sound.

When it comes to fantasy names, they're usually not taken directly from an actual name/location name. That's why we do the best we can to find parts that they may have pieced together, or taken cues from. For example, Iseult and Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:44, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: For the record, I have no idea who this izorute character is lol. I'm just arguing because I can't agree with the basis behind [[User:SinsI|SinsI]]'s modification to Izolte (http://i59.tinypic.com/291gyuw.png). If he's being picky about the 'te' ending instead of 'de' ending, then use Isolte. It makes no sense to use 'izolte' when Japanese have clearly shown that they use イゾ to represent the 'iso' sound in Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:53, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

BTW I was just pointing Iseult wiki page out as the most likely origin for her character (matches her character description as well), Izolte, Izolde, Isolde, or Isolte all work IMO for names, it says right on the wiki page that Isolde is an alternative spelling for Iseult, put that through a Japanese pronunciation grinder and any of those work really. She appears in the Eris side stories along the later volumes, also in volume 16 chapter 5 Letter Arrives that I translated previously. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:23, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

@[[User:SinsI|SinsI]]: As I've said, if you're unhappy with Iseult, then use Isolte. There's no need for Izolte because 1) it's not a name 2) The 'iso' in 'Isolte' is read as 'イゾ(izo)' anyways. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 14:25, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

As much as I lit the fire here... Izolute was how I read it at first, and was just looking for what was phonetically close, because katakana is... well yeah. Honestly, I was wondering if Izolute wasn't some kind of counter word to something like Resolute. If not, I mean, you have Final Fantasy Tactics' good old [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Isilud_Tengille Izlude]it's literally one kana off. イズルード (Izoru-do) instead of イズルテ (Izorute). And we know this guy is all about Square-enix games. We can ignore this character for a while, but she will be dealt with during Eris side stories, and in vol.18 I believe. BUT I'm going to throw this out here. Tristina. Tristina is mentioned around this time as well and you have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_and_Iseult Tristan and Iseult]. I mean yeah it's somewhat stretching it, and honestly, I don't care enough to pursue it at this time. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== リニア(rinia) & プルセナ(purusena) ==

==プルセナ==
I feel that the Porsena Lars thing is grasping at straws a bit. First of all they write him as ポルセナ王(king porusena). Second of all he's not that famous. Pursena is probably just a made up name that Ludicrous Backscratcher came up with.

http://www.oct.zaq.ne.jp/poppo456/in/p_Publicola.htm (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/shizuo_asogawa/e/697fadb7ae033607473d74979fb4e891 (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://wikimatome.com/wiki/ポルセナ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

It's fine to do whatever on this one tbh, I'm not gonna be obstinate. Mainly because I've read this: [http://altneues.com/sagon/haevest/h/Haevest.html Haevest] which happens to have a character in it named Purusena, same as in this one.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:30, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Since her name matches with her sister, should we change that other girl to Tersena? Or should we go with Purusena for this one?
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 22:35, 29 July 2014 (CDT)

==リニア==
Linnea the flower would be リンネ(rinne) wouldn't it? http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リンネソウ

The only mention of リニア(rinia, the character's name) with regards to botanology would be the calandrinia (カランドリニア) so I'm pretty happy with Rinia as things are. ATM the idea that the author was going for some flower naming scheme seems just a tad dubious. Speaking fairly though, I'm only up to volume 8.

As for the Swedish name, it's リネア(rinea):

"スウェーデンで「リネア」は女の子の名前としても大変有名です。" - http://woodenhorse.shop-pro.jp/?pid=42910460 
"In Sweden, the girls' name 'Linnea' is very famous."

Hotel name transliterated as リネア(rinea), not リニア(rinia): http://www.jtb.co.jp/kaigai_fit/fr/v2/hotel/1081529/index.html;jsessionid=D04A45F1D49693C8E9605EEE5703A4C9

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

[https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%E3%83%AA%E3%83%8B%E3%82%A2+and+%E5%90%8D%E5%89%8D+and+Linnea Googled the following: リニア and 名前 and Linnea] It's legit. Some people do pronounce it Lin EE ah リニア, not just Lin AY uh リネア. Honestly if it was me, I wouldn't even attempt to localize any of these names. Until the end Rinia would be Rinia, Purusena Purusena, Gire-nu Gire-nu, etc. I worry that the people who want to do the manga scanlation (BTW chapter 1 is out in Monthly comic flapper- june issue) are going to be taking the naming cues from us. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:11, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

From experience the manga scanlators are worse in romanizing names. e.g. Lots of weird names for Hyouketsu Kyoukai no Eden first time, but the author himself did give the characters some hard-to-pronounce names tho lol. But yeah my first sentence still stands. [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:15, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Oh cool! Stand corrected. -salutes- [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 17:40, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== Bog? Quagmire? Morass? Marshland? Swamp? Mire? Fen? ==

Lets decide this please.

I prefer "Morass" because it makes for a great word in the following chapters.

But i'm willing to settle for "Marshland", "Mire" or "Fen".

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.

--Onizuka-GTO 03:30, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I stand by "Bog" first, he gets comments on how "dirty" his name sounds when his nickname comes up. Though just going with the simple "Mud" might work as well. "Rudeus of the Mud". "Rudmud" or "Mudeus" for short. Lol. That sounds so bad but I don't think his name was intended to sound cool. In terms of English transition Quagmire might work for comedic effect, "Oh Rudeus of the Quagmire you're so dirty~" It's like an unintended English reference. (Or maybe the Author was really just that bad ass to put that into consideration when he came up with it as a reference?) My opinion: 1. Bog, 2. Quagmire 3. Mud --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 04:23, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.
Have to agree with both of these, but the first comment in particular. Seeing peopel write it as 'bog' is just really uhh... Like, I can't imagine that anyone could associate that with respect lol.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 15:12, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

Okay, since Kaito makes a point that it shouldn't be "cool" i can understand it for later usage, but i really can't stand "bog" or "mud", "Quagmire" irritates me, but that's from a cultural standpoint and i suspect for non-western/Native English-speaking readers, the reference wouldn't be an issue.
So i propose that we stick with "Quagmire", as it is not anyones favourite and irritates us all equally, which can be used in later comedic instances.

Onizuka-GTO 01:05, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

== Voiceless or Chantless? ==

Which one? I'm seeing both in the translations.
[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 16:37, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I'm the one who usually uses Voiceless Incantations (I think it started from Silent's translations?), but that might assume he's still using the incantation just in his head. Chantless is the proper way of using it, and you're free to fix them if you see it. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 16:58, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

he doesn't "chant" per se, he "imagines" or virtually 3D builds the magic mentally, therefore i feel "chantless" is more accurate.
Onizuka-GTO 01:07, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

Chantless would certainly be closer to the term used in the Japanese. 無詠唱　[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 04:19, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

==Zenith Greyrat==

Has a decision been made on the name of Rudy mother's name?

its zenith but they havent been updated yet

== Rudi or Rudy? ==

Since someone is changing Rudi to Rudy, we should at least get consensus on this.
I prefer Rudi, but there's no real basis behind it.
--[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 21:36, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I like Rudi plus that's usually what's put on the translation -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:07, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

== Agreed on Names ==

Can we have definitive names for characters and places. I keep on finding different versions of names for locations and people which is frankly irritating since I'm not sure sometimes if it's a new character or for what to change it to. Y'all seem to have agreed on a few, but can we list them down here rather than in the discussion up top. Just put them down below so we can change it to be consistent throughout rather than how it is currently. I know it's difficult to decide on the proper name, but it would be very helpful if we had something to base our edits on. -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:51, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

Talk:Mushoku Tensei Names and Terminology

2014-07-31T03:08:16Z

Marrow: /* Rudi or Rudy? */

== Misc ==
http://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/636576/ <--- Author BLOG character bio page (incomplete + spoilers)

http://ncode.syosetu.com/n9669bk/192/ <--- Map 3 raw page, if you want to figure out location names. I'm still bothered over Milis, Milishion, and Arusu (capital of Asura)

Thanks for making this page, it was needed though I'm not good with these types of translations. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 05:28, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

After trying to find out who Zenisu was, the need for such a page became obvious. Please put any names you stumble upon during translation into it so that we can make it uniform throughout the translations. We still need to decide on the variants, though (i.e. Janis or Janice?) [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 05:54, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

The names here and the names in the "Character Introductions" on the Main Page were written differently. Please fix it. --[[User:Yoyoyo5678|Yoyoyo5678]] ([[User talk:Yoyoyo5678|talk]])

Exact names are not yet stabilized. Usually the first translator to stumble upon one decides on it, but here even the same translator frequently switches from one romanization to another. Feel free to discuss any discrepancies here, so that we can select the best ones. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:06, 11 July 2014 (CDT)
Also, sometimes later information forces to correct earlier spelling. I.e. when choosing between Greyrat/Greyrait, later there is a reference to "mousy family name". [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:12, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

SilentWolfie translate Rapurasu(sp) the Demon Lord as Lapius. I think the name is a reference to Laplace's Demon. --[[User:Silereamer|Silereamer]] ([[User talk:Silereamer|talk]]) 02:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

I'd like to piggyback on the former comment about the discrepancy for Zenisu being translated as Janice instead of Zenith. The katakana and no less than 4 translation engines spit 'Zenith' out as a solid match. That being said I'll leave my naming contribs here and let you all decide where to go since I'm fielding vol.7 academy arc. Localization of names I'd rather leave to the editors, since they do the polishing anyways. ザノバ・シーローン Zanoba is an ethiopian name and quite common around north africa. No complaints about Shiron/Shirone as the territory surname attributed to him being prince. ギレーヌ・デドルディア Guillain Dedorudia it's a french name, and perhaps an ironic joke, considering Robert Guillain was a french author on works about the nation of japan who was also an eyewitness to the atom bomb drop on hiroshima (sounds like the mana calamity, right?) クリフ・グリモル Cliff Grimoire yet another play on words to his occupation. A grimoire being quite literally 'book of grammar', though this time in an esoteric sense, since he's quite knowledgeable on written magic formations having to do with the nature of summoning magic. ナナホシ should remain Nanahoshi instead of Sevenstar (or variant), at least until any wordplay becomes prevalent, though there is a great deal of mythos in this series dealing with the number 7. アリエル・アネモイ・アスラ Ariel Anemoi Asura is legit. 'Anemoi' is a greek psuedo-deity of the wind, with the lesser chief wind dieties being Eurus, Boreas, Notos, and Zephyrus (the Grayrat branches in the book) カラヴァッジョ　Caravaggio was a 16th century Italian Painter, other localizations of his name also include Caravage. イゾルテ (Izorute) sounds similar to 'Iseult' of Tristan and Isolde fame. A nice story or fast wikipedia read will show similar details in reference to plot involving her character... sort of anyway. キシリカ・キシリス Kishirika Kishirisu - keep the r's and drop the u if it makes it feel easier to the eyes, otherwise it's fine, I think it's personally a play on the word '軋る' Kishiru; which is an annoying sound like a floorboard squeak or the grating of a metal fence post when you swing it open. And considering her FUHAHAHAHAHA she does near every other line she is quite annoying when she's not being useful. (as well as Badi-Gadi and the other Immortal Devil Kings, there is appropriate wordplay for them as well.) For the beasts of the forest of milis continent ギュエス Gaius from the Dorudia tribe is a play on words and also associates with his daughter the dog-beast girl プルセナ Parusena (Lars Porsena, was a king who besieged rome at one point, and had an attempted assassination by a youth named Gaius, even though the youth failed, His bravado caused king Porsena to enact a peace treaty and lift the siege.) ミニトーナ Minito-na (Minnetona) and テルセナ Terusena (Tersena) I haven't found the complete wordplay on yet, so it might just be random, I'll do some looking into it later on if clues arise. 聖獣様 Seijuu-sama Lit. Esteemed Sacred Animal/Holy Beast-sama. He figures quite a bit in vol 18+ because of the importance of ララ (Lara? Lara just fits best in my mind anyway so far) so confirming what to call his name as should be important. Though He does end up being called "Leo" later on. リニア Rinia. No wordplay with this so far, so keeping this as such for now. I expect some wordplay will fall into place since she is something 人神／ヒトガミ Human God/Hitogami keeps throwing Rudeus' way. And it is important to differentiate 人神 Human God from just 神 God (who happens to be ロキシー/Roxy!). and lastly スペルド族 The Superudo Tribe. A couple takes see it as Spelled (as in having an obvious magic enchantment) and one that I didn't get at first, since my brain read it's katakana as 'Speared' having to do mainly with the tribe's affinity to spears which is a major crux of Ruijerd's plot. Anything is fine though. ラプラス Rapurasu is clearly a reference to the Demon of LaPlace, since he was one of the Immortal Demon Lords according to the 400-year history of the world (just currently sealed away in the fortress Chaos Breaker.) --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 03:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)--

^+100 points, that's some awesome reasoning and precisely why I'm no good with names. One thing on the Holy Beast, I've been translating it that way because of Holy sounds best for most aspects of that continent, technically that entire area uses Saint rather than Holy. IE Saint Beast-sama, Saint Milis, Saint Milis Country would be an alternative name for that one though since every other location is named Kingdom and Saint doesn't fit well as a country/kingdom name, I went with defining it as Holy Milis Kingdom. Also, it could have been taken as Sword Saint/Saint Sword Highway, I don't know if that could have some background in regards to Saint Beasts. One thing I do agree on is the meaning behind Superudo, I think I'm going to switch to using Speared for that one. Also, agree on Laplace Demon (Maxwell is a later mentioned character as well AKA Maxwell's Demon entertaining that page is linked to the Wiki page for Laplace, and Maxwell is related to Atofe I believe both who are related to Laplace if I'm remembering the events right).--[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 06:53, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

Wow, I didn't know there were so many Greek god references but I'm not surprised. About 人神, it's stated in chapter 160 「準備」 that the world knows him as 人神 (pronounced Jinshin) and Hitogami is more like a personal name that few people know, making his full name 人神ヒトガミ (Jinshin Hitogami, perhaps better translated as Human God Hitogami). Leaving his name in romaji also fits with all the times people ask others about him (for example, when Rudeus first asks Ruijerd about 人神, to which Rujierd quizically replies "ヒトガミ？"). That's my opinion. On a side note, I always thought キシリカ's name would sound good written as Kicilica Kicilice, as it seems etymologically similar to the 魔大陸 town リカリス which is close to リコリス/Licorice. Just figured I'd put it out there. (Alternative spelling for maximum mind-screw: Cicilica Cicilice.) --[[User:Myopius|Myopius]] ([[User talk:Myopius|talk]]) 05:34, 14 July 2014 (CDT)

Translations engines are not an authority on romanizations, as well as katakana. Best way to find romanizations for names is to look for known persons with such a romanization. Janice is just as good a match.
Guillain is ギラン, not even close to Girune, which is ギレーヌ [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 22:15, 15 July 2014 (CDT)

Sinisl, because naming sense in katakana is truly a troublesome thing, do you mind if I share how I even came to 'Guillain' as the translation? Before anything else, let me apologize now if I come off sounding rude, I don't mean it to be anything other than an objectionary statement.
Firstly, until just this edit, I haven't consulted a translation engine on the matter. Secondly, isn't ギルーネ Giru-ne and ギレーヌ Gire-nu? I sounded ''''レ'''' as ''le'' opposed to ''re'', and got Gilenu, which if you carry the re/le sound with the hyphen, you get a double vowel result ree/lee, which results in something like Gileenu. The '''ee''' coming off as similar to the ''a'' in s''a''y. Thirdly, is that this author does borrow his fantasy names from a wide range of European sources, and just sounding it out made my intuition say it was french.
But, then I decided to check out what the translation engines and pronunciation engines have to say on the matter, since you did have a good idea there, and got these links as what I guess would be empirical evidence for my claim on the name as Guillain.
[http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%AE%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8C Katakana to English similarities on ギレーヌ] and [http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=guillain French pronunciation of ギレーヌ] with the second link, to me at least the 're' can sound like a 'le' and the 'nu' is just pronounced softly. But if you have a better suggestion than that, please go for it. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, rather, I am just trying to help fill in troublesome blanks if I can. It can stay Gire-nu indefinitely if it's easier for everyone.
And as for ゼニス ... [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%82%B9 Katakana to English similarities for ゼニス]. '''Je'''nice is listed, and I can see a logical jump there, but '''Ja'''nice is more like '''ジャ'''ニス if it's JanISS as opposed to '''ジャ'''ニ'''ー'''ス if it's JahNEESE (yes, ask me how I know two women who pronounce their names that way as well -_-). I just can't wrap my head around the entire oversight of reading ゼ '''ze''' as ジャ '''ja'''. Plus, this author uses Rudeus to spout Dragon Quest related nonsense everywhere, and King Zenith ゼニス王 was a ruler of the floating castle of Dragon Quest 6 also happened to be a human instead of what the previous owners were: dragons, so it's not entirely implausible he would use that name using the Zenith->ChaosBreaker->Pergius chain, since Rudeus makes all those 'I became a sage...' jokes to hysterical comic relief, and Sage just happens to be a recurring class in the DQ series. Anyways, that's just speculation on my part, I just happen to see these weird puns like that littered throughout the novel. Anyway, once again I sincerely apologize if my remarks came off as rude, it is not intentional at all. I'm just trying to be constructive and informative about how I come to reach my naming suggestions. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:08, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ah, of course it is Girenu, eyes get tired of reading katakana so much. Wiki says Ghislaine Thesmar is written as ギレーヌ・テスマー, so that's one good reading right there that doesn't require any inventiveness. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:47, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ghislaine eh? wow that's beautiful, because you just pointed out something interesting. Both a Ghislaine ((Which does have a verifiable prounciation as "Gee-len" [http://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/ghislaine See audio result #2]) and Linnea (リニア)
("Lin-e-AH") [http://www.forvo.com/word/linn%C3%A9a/ Swedish pronunciation of Linnéa.] Are types of Foliage. Ghislaine being a Rose, and Linnea being a Twinflower. That becomes incredibly humorous when you think how Linnea and Pursena are almost always together. I don't think I would have caught that. Nice job!

Girenu or Ghislaine or Guillain or Ghyslaine? Confused cross-referencing this list and AnimeSuki for the names.. We are talking about one character - right? right?
Whenever you guys want I can try to walk through all the pages and fix the names given permission.. Because I'm in the mood for fixing the names.. If we ever reach a conclusion o_O [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 20:33, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

For now, I think we should just stick to the Names and Terminology page for consistency with the current Tled chapters. Once names are finalised, if they need to be changed, they can be done. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:25, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

Just throwing these ones out here again with links, but as Skuizaan already mentioned above possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamba_(mythology) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iseult Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarilo --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 09:13, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

They are a miss: Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize', Jarilo ends with 'ro', not with 'ru'. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Have to agree with [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] in that Jarilo is a complete miss. The 'j' in Jarilo is a 'y' sound: ヤリーロ
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヤリーロ [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 13:00, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Jarilo (Cyrillic: Ярило or Јарило; Polish: Jaryło; Template:Lang-slo; Croatian: Jura or Juraj; Serbian: Đurilo; Slavic: Jarovit), alternatively '''Yarilo, Iarilo,''' or Gerovit, was a Slavic god of vegetation, fertility and springtime. I think we should rename him Gerovit, lol. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== About Rudy's armor ==

It was actually spelled as madou yoroi = magic/magical armor, just like how 魔導書 was spelled as madoushou = magic/magical tome or grimoire for short (well, correct me if I was wrong ^ ^)--[[User:Endo|Endo]] ([[User talk:Endo|talk]]) 00:02, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

== Zantport and Wenport ==

Suggestion: If you're going to be liberal and translate 'wenpooto' as 'Windport', you may as well go the whole mile and translate 'zantopooto' as Sandport.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:01, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Reason being that Japanese don't have trouble rendering 'Wind' as 'Windo' e.g. the word ウィンドサーフィン, or the company 株式会社WIND also written as 株式会社ウィンド. Gunna be frank here; if the author is aware of a name like Ghislaine, then I'd bet that he knows 'wind' is not typically written as 'wen'. In other words, either he's hinting at 'wind', which makes it possible that 'zanto' is hinting at 'sand', or he didn't have 'wind' in mind at all, and it's supposed to be 'wenport'. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:46, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Be a rebel and translate it as Saint Port (though it is the Mirisu side). I didn't think Zanto had the sound of Sand, I guess that does sort of make sense after its pointed out. Names too hard for me I should just start naming all characters with letters, though I would run out and have to mix them with numbers, Rudeus is now called A1 in my translations... --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 01:15, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Gunna rebel and start using Rooday'Az.[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 11:52, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

As for the wenpooto/zantopooto business, I would like to let alllllll you editors know, that I personally feel that you either stay fundamentalist for both (Wenport and Zantport), or liberal for both (Windport and Sandport). Also, I don't think there's a problem with Begaritto IMO, unless someone finds convincingly corresponding sounds in names of European places. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: Also, still waiting on your input about changing the MC's name to Rooday'Az lol. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:27, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

When it comes to names I have no issue with any changes to them it's better if they're all the same across the board. Just try to avoid any names that might massively alter the meaning. That Special/Good Life thing in volume 7 bothers me a bit in such a way. I always thought of Girenu as a Gelaine kind of name but if you guys want to take that as a Ghyslaine, that's similar and fine, just don't expect me to remember how to type it out like that when I'm translating it later, your free to fix it after to whatever is decided. Also, I mentioned it as a joke before but after giving it some thought I seriously started to consider Zanto = Saint, Saint Port as a connection point between what should have been Country of Saint Milis and it's at one end of the Sword Saint Highway. Anyways, good luck with the names no need to ask me any further. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 07:45, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Mmn, I think Saint Port might be good too. I just suggested Sand Port because I found it weird that 'wenpooto' was taken so liberally (I don't think a normal Japanese would get 'wind' from 'ウェン'), but you guys didn't noticed that 'zantopooto' might be sand in that case. If anything, you should be using Wenport and Sandport, not Windport and Zantoport (which would be much more normal for Japanese).

The reason is because 'zanto' resembles the German/Dutch pronunciation of 'sand', and so the four letter combination 'sand' ends up as ザント in Japanese.

e.g. in Log Horizon, ザント is used in the name of a place called ザントリーフ (taken by most translators as Sand Leaf). e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ザントハウゼン (Sandhausen) 
e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/マルティン・ザントベルガー (Martin Sandberger) 

On the other hand, the four letter combination 'wind' is basically always ウィンド (windo) and not ウェン (wen). For this reason, imo the possible names should be like this, from most liberal to most fundamentalist:

1. Saint Port and Wind Port 
2. Sand Port and Wind Port 
3. Sandport and Wenport 
4. Zantport and Wenport 

And yeah, the Special/Good Life thing is bothering me as well lol. It's weird because in English we don't associate 'life' with 'student'. Readers might get the wrong impression. Honestly "the Good Life" sounds like the name of some pyramid scam.
Also I think that Gelaine might be a corruption of Ghislaine. I've personally never heard of Gelaine though, but it doesn't seem popular judging by google searches. It's just conjecture, but perhaps it's an 'alternate' spelling of Ghislaine. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 09:37, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== Shiron Kingdom ==

Throwing in support for 'Shirone' or something like that instead of Shiron. Reading the raws for volume 7 at the moment, and found that it's シーローン王国. Usually the long 'roon' (ローン) is used for words that sound like 'lawn' (as in the grass) or loan (as in the investment). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:55, 21 July 2014 (CDT)

At animesuki I saw them use Pax Shiron/Shirone instead of Pakkusu, since its a fairly well known latin word. Its also ironic considering the prince is anything but peaceful.--[[User:Nosobi|Nosobi]] ([[User talk:Nosobi|talk]]) 22:07, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== エリナリーゼ ==

Would like to suggest ending エリナリーゼ's name in lise or liese, as it is reminiscent of the German/French name ending. I'm currently suggesting Elinalise as it sounds like parts of a real name, but as I realise there's no long vowel in エリナ, I'm ambivalent towards both 'Elina' and 'Erina'. 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リーゼ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:21, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

It's only like that cause the earlier chapters were tl'ed like that and changed for consistency. If Kaito doesn't mind, i'll change 'erinarize' to 'Elinalise', 'begaritto' to 'begarit' and 'Shiron' to 'Shirone', should Zanto port/Wenport stay as it is or be changed to sand port/wind port? There was also talks about Girenu/Ghislaine/Guillain/Ghyslaine but a decision was never made. Please let me know if you want these changed [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 01:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Shouldn't this be discussed amongst the editors? Kaito himself has said that he'd leave things to the editors. I understand my place as well, and will obey the will of the majority. Still, I have the right to stubbornly try and change your minds lol. For one thing, I'm pretty sure Guillain is a man's name, and written as ギラン(giran). ギレーヌ (gireenu) is almost certainly Ghislaine or one of it's variants (Ghyslaine for example) and not Girenu. It's also not Ghislain because that's also a man's name (lol). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Yeah no way I want to change names without a consensus because I'll feel guilty if I destroy people's translations. However I went to AnimeSuki forum and even there they said the only consensus they ever come to is Orsted (instead of Orusuteddo or Orstedd) because there was a roman writing. If you guys need help I can go through and make the names consistent. Just tell us editors what to do. There're like 4-5 version of names out there including the online-translated stuff that didn't get romanized. Give us the trigger and I'll start referring to this page to fix all the names and terminologies. Unlike Vanant while I obey the will of the majority I have no reason to change peoples' minds lol because seems like a lot had already done their research. Oh, can we get more wiki/reference links in the page so new editors know why did people come up with the names? :) [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 10:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Was just reading [[User_talk:Pumkingboyz]] and [[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] was talking about flower names being used for Lilia, Ghislaine, Ginger, and Juliet. Was there a reason we're using Lylia instead of Lilia? Was it game reference? We're not prioritizing flower name usage? [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_%C3%98rsted Orsted.] also if it's the difference between male and female changing Ghislaine with Ghyslaine go with the feminine. Elinalize or whatever is fine. No real references found with her or aisha. Pakkusu should be Pax though, without a doubt, since 'Pax' means peace, and we know he is anything but peaceable. Lilia is not in any DQ game, though you might find it funny that our friend Cliff Grimoire is. From DQ4, also the origin of Zenith (Castle), Kurifuto was a PC if I remember my NES, and I don't. Take away the -to and you have Kurifu. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== ギュエス (gyuesu) ==

I suggest Gyes. In Japanese, the Hekatonkheir Gyes (Γύης) is romanised as ギュエス(gyuesu) or alternatively ギューエース(gyuueesu). Considering all this other shit the guy knows about Greek mythology I'm going to go out on a limb and suppose that he's heard of the hekatonkheires. In the first place, Gyes is one of the hekatonkheires that appears in Owari no Chronicle.

Incidentally, one of its other names is Gyges (Γύγης), is brought into Japanese as ギューゲース (gyuugeesu). 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヘカトンケイル [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Whoa, didn't see ^this link before. Go with that by all means.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:39, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== イゾルテ・クルーエル (izorute kuruueru) ==

Copy of conversation:

You need to have a look at how they romanise things here: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/トリスタンとイゾルデ

Isolde is イゾルデ(izorude) and Iseult is イズールト(izuuruto). You have the grounds to change Iseult to Isolte or something or other, but there's no grounds for you to say that "oh, it's not a 'so' sound but a 'zo' sound so let's change it to Izolte"
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

If you look, you'll notice that イゾルテ is neither of those - it is not ending in 'De', and second syllable is not 'Zu'. Modified reading of Isolde into Isolte, that corresponds to the change of 'de' to 'te', is as good reading as any, unless an example is found of word with existing translation with exactly that reading [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

You're missing my point completely, lol. I'm saying that no matter if it's a テ or a デ, "Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize'" is completely invalid. Iseult and Isolde are both transliterated as 'z' sounds (see righhhhhhhht above this message. I'll even bold it for you.). Not to be rude here, but you're going to have to learn that '''Japanese don't take pronounciation cues from English alone''', buddy. A great example is how they write 'Bach' lol. How about you tell me that バッハ isn't Bach, because Bach should end in a っく sound.

When it comes to fantasy names, they're usually not taken directly from an actual name/location name. That's why we do the best we can to find parts that they may have pieced together, or taken cues from. For example, Iseult and Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:44, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: For the record, I have no idea who this izorute character is lol. I'm just arguing because I can't agree with the basis behind [[User:SinsI|SinsI]]'s modification to Izolte (http://i59.tinypic.com/291gyuw.png). If he's being picky about the 'te' ending instead of 'de' ending, then use Isolte. It makes no sense to use 'izolte' when Japanese have clearly shown that they use イゾ to represent the 'iso' sound in Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:53, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

BTW I was just pointing Iseult wiki page out as the most likely origin for her character (matches her character description as well), Izolte, Izolde, Isolde, or Isolte all work IMO for names, it says right on the wiki page that Isolde is an alternative spelling for Iseult, put that through a Japanese pronunciation grinder and any of those work really. She appears in the Eris side stories along the later volumes, also in volume 16 chapter 5 Letter Arrives that I translated previously. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:23, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

@[[User:SinsI|SinsI]]: As I've said, if you're unhappy with Iseult, then use Isolte. There's no need for Izolte because 1) it's not a name 2) The 'iso' in 'Isolte' is read as 'イゾ(izo)' anyways. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 14:25, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

As much as I lit the fire here... Izolute was how I read it at first, and was just looking for what was phonetically close, because katakana is... well yeah. Honestly, I was wondering if Izolute wasn't some kind of counter word to something like Resolute. If not, I mean, you have Final Fantasy Tactics' good old [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Isilud_Tengille Izlude]it's literally one kana off. イズルード (Izoru-do) instead of イズルテ (Izorute). And we know this guy is all about Square-enix games. We can ignore this character for a while, but she will be dealt with during Eris side stories, and in vol.18 I believe. BUT I'm going to throw this out here. Tristina. Tristina is mentioned around this time as well and you have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_and_Iseult Tristan and Iseult]. I mean yeah it's somewhat stretching it, and honestly, I don't care enough to pursue it at this time. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== リニア(rinia) & プルセナ(purusena) ==

==プルセナ==
I feel that the Porsena Lars thing is grasping at straws a bit. First of all they write him as ポルセナ王(king porusena). Second of all he's not that famous. Pursena is probably just a made up name that Ludicrous Backscratcher came up with.

http://www.oct.zaq.ne.jp/poppo456/in/p_Publicola.htm (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/shizuo_asogawa/e/697fadb7ae033607473d74979fb4e891 (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://wikimatome.com/wiki/ポルセナ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

It's fine to do whatever on this one tbh, I'm not gonna be obstinate. Mainly because I've read this: [http://altneues.com/sagon/haevest/h/Haevest.html Haevest] which happens to have a character in it named Purusena, same as in this one.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:30, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Since her name matches with her sister, should we change that other girl to Tersena? Or should we go with Purusena for this one?
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 22:35, 29 July 2014 (CDT)

==リニア==
Linnea the flower would be リンネ(rinne) wouldn't it? http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リンネソウ

The only mention of リニア(rinia, the character's name) with regards to botanology would be the calandrinia (カランドリニア) so I'm pretty happy with Rinia as things are. ATM the idea that the author was going for some flower naming scheme seems just a tad dubious. Speaking fairly though, I'm only up to volume 8.

As for the Swedish name, it's リネア(rinea):

"スウェーデンで「リネア」は女の子の名前としても大変有名です。" - http://woodenhorse.shop-pro.jp/?pid=42910460 
"In Sweden, the girls' name 'Linnea' is very famous."

Hotel name transliterated as リネア(rinea), not リニア(rinia): http://www.jtb.co.jp/kaigai_fit/fr/v2/hotel/1081529/index.html;jsessionid=D04A45F1D49693C8E9605EEE5703A4C9

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

[https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%E3%83%AA%E3%83%8B%E3%82%A2+and+%E5%90%8D%E5%89%8D+and+Linnea Googled the following: リニア and 名前 and Linnea] It's legit. Some people do pronounce it Lin EE ah リニア, not just Lin AY uh リネア. Honestly if it was me, I wouldn't even attempt to localize any of these names. Until the end Rinia would be Rinia, Purusena Purusena, Gire-nu Gire-nu, etc. I worry that the people who want to do the manga scanlation (BTW chapter 1 is out in Monthly comic flapper- june issue) are going to be taking the naming cues from us. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:11, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

From experience the manga scanlators are worse in romanizing names. e.g. Lots of weird names for Hyouketsu Kyoukai no Eden first time, but the author himself did give the characters some hard-to-pronounce names tho lol. But yeah my first sentence still stands. [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:15, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Oh cool! Stand corrected. -salutes- [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 17:40, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== Bog? Quagmire? Morass? Marshland? Swamp? Mire? Fen? ==

Lets decide this please.

I prefer "Morass" because it makes for a great word in the following chapters.

But i'm willing to settle for "Marshland", "Mire" or "Fen".

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.

--Onizuka-GTO 03:30, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I stand by "Bog" first, he gets comments on how "dirty" his name sounds when his nickname comes up. Though just going with the simple "Mud" might work as well. "Rudeus of the Mud". "Rudmud" or "Mudeus" for short. Lol. That sounds so bad but I don't think his name was intended to sound cool. In terms of English transition Quagmire might work for comedic effect, "Oh Rudeus of the Quagmire you're so dirty~" It's like an unintended English reference. (Or maybe the Author was really just that bad ass to put that into consideration when he came up with it as a reference?) My opinion: 1. Bog, 2. Quagmire 3. Mud --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 04:23, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.
Have to agree with both of these, but the first comment in particular. Seeing peopel write it as 'bog' is just really uhh... Like, I can't imagine that anyone could associate that with respect lol.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 15:12, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

Okay, since Kaito makes a point that it shouldn't be "cool" i can understand it for later usage, but i really can't stand "bog" or "mud", "Quagmire" irritates me, but that's from a cultural standpoint and i suspect for non-western/Native English-speaking readers, the reference wouldn't be an issue.
So i propose that we stick with "Quagmire", as it is not anyones favourite and irritates us all equally, which can be used in later comedic instances.

Onizuka-GTO 01:05, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

== Voiceless or Chantless? ==

Which one? I'm seeing both in the translations.
[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 16:37, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I'm the one who usually uses Voiceless Incantations (I think it started from Silent's translations?), but that might assume he's still using the incantation just in his head. Chantless is the proper way of using it, and you're free to fix them if you see it. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 16:58, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

he doesn't "chant" per se, he "imagines" or virtually 3D builds the magic mentally, therefore i feel "chantless" is more accurate.
Onizuka-GTO 01:07, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

Chantless would certainly be closer to the term used in the Japanese. 無詠唱　[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 04:19, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

==Zenith Greyrat==

Has a decision been made on the name of Rudy mother's name?

its zenith but they havent been updated yet

== Rudi or Rudy? ==

Since someone is changing Rudi to Rudy, we should at least get consensus on this.
I prefer Rudi, but there's no real basis behind it.
--[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 21:36, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I like Rudi plus that's usually what's put on the translation -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:07, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

Talk:Mushoku Tensei Names and Terminology

2014-07-31T03:07:58Z

Marrow: /* Rudi or Rudy? */

== Misc ==
http://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/636576/ <--- Author BLOG character bio page (incomplete + spoilers)

http://ncode.syosetu.com/n9669bk/192/ <--- Map 3 raw page, if you want to figure out location names. I'm still bothered over Milis, Milishion, and Arusu (capital of Asura)

Thanks for making this page, it was needed though I'm not good with these types of translations. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 05:28, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

After trying to find out who Zenisu was, the need for such a page became obvious. Please put any names you stumble upon during translation into it so that we can make it uniform throughout the translations. We still need to decide on the variants, though (i.e. Janis or Janice?) [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 05:54, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

The names here and the names in the "Character Introductions" on the Main Page were written differently. Please fix it. --[[User:Yoyoyo5678|Yoyoyo5678]] ([[User talk:Yoyoyo5678|talk]])

Exact names are not yet stabilized. Usually the first translator to stumble upon one decides on it, but here even the same translator frequently switches from one romanization to another. Feel free to discuss any discrepancies here, so that we can select the best ones. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:06, 11 July 2014 (CDT)
Also, sometimes later information forces to correct earlier spelling. I.e. when choosing between Greyrat/Greyrait, later there is a reference to "mousy family name". [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 06:12, 11 July 2014 (CDT)

SilentWolfie translate Rapurasu(sp) the Demon Lord as Lapius. I think the name is a reference to Laplace's Demon. --[[User:Silereamer|Silereamer]] ([[User talk:Silereamer|talk]]) 02:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

I'd like to piggyback on the former comment about the discrepancy for Zenisu being translated as Janice instead of Zenith. The katakana and no less than 4 translation engines spit 'Zenith' out as a solid match. That being said I'll leave my naming contribs here and let you all decide where to go since I'm fielding vol.7 academy arc. Localization of names I'd rather leave to the editors, since they do the polishing anyways. ザノバ・シーローン Zanoba is an ethiopian name and quite common around north africa. No complaints about Shiron/Shirone as the territory surname attributed to him being prince. ギレーヌ・デドルディア Guillain Dedorudia it's a french name, and perhaps an ironic joke, considering Robert Guillain was a french author on works about the nation of japan who was also an eyewitness to the atom bomb drop on hiroshima (sounds like the mana calamity, right?) クリフ・グリモル Cliff Grimoire yet another play on words to his occupation. A grimoire being quite literally 'book of grammar', though this time in an esoteric sense, since he's quite knowledgeable on written magic formations having to do with the nature of summoning magic. ナナホシ should remain Nanahoshi instead of Sevenstar (or variant), at least until any wordplay becomes prevalent, though there is a great deal of mythos in this series dealing with the number 7. アリエル・アネモイ・アスラ Ariel Anemoi Asura is legit. 'Anemoi' is a greek psuedo-deity of the wind, with the lesser chief wind dieties being Eurus, Boreas, Notos, and Zephyrus (the Grayrat branches in the book) カラヴァッジョ　Caravaggio was a 16th century Italian Painter, other localizations of his name also include Caravage. イゾルテ (Izorute) sounds similar to 'Iseult' of Tristan and Isolde fame. A nice story or fast wikipedia read will show similar details in reference to plot involving her character... sort of anyway. キシリカ・キシリス Kishirika Kishirisu - keep the r's and drop the u if it makes it feel easier to the eyes, otherwise it's fine, I think it's personally a play on the word '軋る' Kishiru; which is an annoying sound like a floorboard squeak or the grating of a metal fence post when you swing it open. And considering her FUHAHAHAHAHA she does near every other line she is quite annoying when she's not being useful. (as well as Badi-Gadi and the other Immortal Devil Kings, there is appropriate wordplay for them as well.) For the beasts of the forest of milis continent ギュエス Gaius from the Dorudia tribe is a play on words and also associates with his daughter the dog-beast girl プルセナ Parusena (Lars Porsena, was a king who besieged rome at one point, and had an attempted assassination by a youth named Gaius, even though the youth failed, His bravado caused king Porsena to enact a peace treaty and lift the siege.) ミニトーナ Minito-na (Minnetona) and テルセナ Terusena (Tersena) I haven't found the complete wordplay on yet, so it might just be random, I'll do some looking into it later on if clues arise. 聖獣様 Seijuu-sama Lit. Esteemed Sacred Animal/Holy Beast-sama. He figures quite a bit in vol 18+ because of the importance of ララ (Lara? Lara just fits best in my mind anyway so far) so confirming what to call his name as should be important. Though He does end up being called "Leo" later on. リニア Rinia. No wordplay with this so far, so keeping this as such for now. I expect some wordplay will fall into place since she is something 人神／ヒトガミ Human God/Hitogami keeps throwing Rudeus' way. And it is important to differentiate 人神 Human God from just 神 God (who happens to be ロキシー/Roxy!). and lastly スペルド族 The Superudo Tribe. A couple takes see it as Spelled (as in having an obvious magic enchantment) and one that I didn't get at first, since my brain read it's katakana as 'Speared' having to do mainly with the tribe's affinity to spears which is a major crux of Ruijerd's plot. Anything is fine though. ラプラス Rapurasu is clearly a reference to the Demon of LaPlace, since he was one of the Immortal Demon Lords according to the 400-year history of the world (just currently sealed away in the fortress Chaos Breaker.) --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 03:08, 13 July 2014 (CDT)--

^+100 points, that's some awesome reasoning and precisely why I'm no good with names. One thing on the Holy Beast, I've been translating it that way because of Holy sounds best for most aspects of that continent, technically that entire area uses Saint rather than Holy. IE Saint Beast-sama, Saint Milis, Saint Milis Country would be an alternative name for that one though since every other location is named Kingdom and Saint doesn't fit well as a country/kingdom name, I went with defining it as Holy Milis Kingdom. Also, it could have been taken as Sword Saint/Saint Sword Highway, I don't know if that could have some background in regards to Saint Beasts. One thing I do agree on is the meaning behind Superudo, I think I'm going to switch to using Speared for that one. Also, agree on Laplace Demon (Maxwell is a later mentioned character as well AKA Maxwell's Demon entertaining that page is linked to the Wiki page for Laplace, and Maxwell is related to Atofe I believe both who are related to Laplace if I'm remembering the events right).--[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 06:53, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

Wow, I didn't know there were so many Greek god references but I'm not surprised. About 人神, it's stated in chapter 160 「準備」 that the world knows him as 人神 (pronounced Jinshin) and Hitogami is more like a personal name that few people know, making his full name 人神ヒトガミ (Jinshin Hitogami, perhaps better translated as Human God Hitogami). Leaving his name in romaji also fits with all the times people ask others about him (for example, when Rudeus first asks Ruijerd about 人神, to which Rujierd quizically replies "ヒトガミ？"). That's my opinion. On a side note, I always thought キシリカ's name would sound good written as Kicilica Kicilice, as it seems etymologically similar to the 魔大陸 town リカリス which is close to リコリス/Licorice. Just figured I'd put it out there. (Alternative spelling for maximum mind-screw: Cicilica Cicilice.) --[[User:Myopius|Myopius]] ([[User talk:Myopius|talk]]) 05:34, 14 July 2014 (CDT)

Translations engines are not an authority on romanizations, as well as katakana. Best way to find romanizations for names is to look for known persons with such a romanization. Janice is just as good a match.
Guillain is ギラン, not even close to Girune, which is ギレーヌ [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 22:15, 15 July 2014 (CDT)

Sinisl, because naming sense in katakana is truly a troublesome thing, do you mind if I share how I even came to 'Guillain' as the translation? Before anything else, let me apologize now if I come off sounding rude, I don't mean it to be anything other than an objectionary statement.
Firstly, until just this edit, I haven't consulted a translation engine on the matter. Secondly, isn't ギルーネ Giru-ne and ギレーヌ Gire-nu? I sounded ''''レ'''' as ''le'' opposed to ''re'', and got Gilenu, which if you carry the re/le sound with the hyphen, you get a double vowel result ree/lee, which results in something like Gileenu. The '''ee''' coming off as similar to the ''a'' in s''a''y. Thirdly, is that this author does borrow his fantasy names from a wide range of European sources, and just sounding it out made my intuition say it was french.
But, then I decided to check out what the translation engines and pronunciation engines have to say on the matter, since you did have a good idea there, and got these links as what I guess would be empirical evidence for my claim on the name as Guillain.
[http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%AE%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8C Katakana to English similarities on ギレーヌ] and [http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=guillain French pronunciation of ギレーヌ] with the second link, to me at least the 're' can sound like a 'le' and the 'nu' is just pronounced softly. But if you have a better suggestion than that, please go for it. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, rather, I am just trying to help fill in troublesome blanks if I can. It can stay Gire-nu indefinitely if it's easier for everyone.
And as for ゼニス ... [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/k2e.cgi?word=%E3%82%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%82%B9 Katakana to English similarities for ゼニス]. '''Je'''nice is listed, and I can see a logical jump there, but '''Ja'''nice is more like '''ジャ'''ニス if it's JanISS as opposed to '''ジャ'''ニ'''ー'''ス if it's JahNEESE (yes, ask me how I know two women who pronounce their names that way as well -_-). I just can't wrap my head around the entire oversight of reading ゼ '''ze''' as ジャ '''ja'''. Plus, this author uses Rudeus to spout Dragon Quest related nonsense everywhere, and King Zenith ゼニス王 was a ruler of the floating castle of Dragon Quest 6 also happened to be a human instead of what the previous owners were: dragons, so it's not entirely implausible he would use that name using the Zenith->ChaosBreaker->Pergius chain, since Rudeus makes all those 'I became a sage...' jokes to hysterical comic relief, and Sage just happens to be a recurring class in the DQ series. Anyways, that's just speculation on my part, I just happen to see these weird puns like that littered throughout the novel. Anyway, once again I sincerely apologize if my remarks came off as rude, it is not intentional at all. I'm just trying to be constructive and informative about how I come to reach my naming suggestions. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:08, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ah, of course it is Girenu, eyes get tired of reading katakana so much. Wiki says Ghislaine Thesmar is written as ギレーヌ・テスマー, so that's one good reading right there that doesn't require any inventiveness. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:47, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

Ghislaine eh? wow that's beautiful, because you just pointed out something interesting. Both a Ghislaine ((Which does have a verifiable prounciation as "Gee-len" [http://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/ghislaine See audio result #2]) and Linnea (リニア)
("Lin-e-AH") [http://www.forvo.com/word/linn%C3%A9a/ Swedish pronunciation of Linnéa.] Are types of Foliage. Ghislaine being a Rose, and Linnea being a Twinflower. That becomes incredibly humorous when you think how Linnea and Pursena are almost always together. I don't think I would have caught that. Nice job!

Girenu or Ghislaine or Guillain or Ghyslaine? Confused cross-referencing this list and AnimeSuki for the names.. We are talking about one character - right? right?
Whenever you guys want I can try to walk through all the pages and fix the names given permission.. Because I'm in the mood for fixing the names.. If we ever reach a conclusion o_O [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 20:33, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

For now, I think we should just stick to the Names and Terminology page for consistency with the current Tled chapters. Once names are finalised, if they need to be changed, they can be done. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:25, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

Just throwing these ones out here again with links, but as Skuizaan already mentioned above possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamba_(mythology) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iseult Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarilo --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 09:13, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

They are a miss: Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize', Jarilo ends with 'ro', not with 'ru'. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 11:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Have to agree with [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] in that Jarilo is a complete miss. The 'j' in Jarilo is a 'y' sound: ヤリーロ
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヤリーロ [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 13:00, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Jarilo (Cyrillic: Ярило or Јарило; Polish: Jaryło; Template:Lang-slo; Croatian: Jura or Juraj; Serbian: Đurilo; Slavic: Jarovit), alternatively '''Yarilo, Iarilo,''' or Gerovit, was a Slavic god of vegetation, fertility and springtime. I think we should rename him Gerovit, lol. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== About Rudy's armor ==

It was actually spelled as madou yoroi = magic/magical armor, just like how 魔導書 was spelled as madoushou = magic/magical tome or grimoire for short (well, correct me if I was wrong ^ ^)--[[User:Endo|Endo]] ([[User talk:Endo|talk]]) 00:02, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

== Zantport and Wenport ==

Suggestion: If you're going to be liberal and translate 'wenpooto' as 'Windport', you may as well go the whole mile and translate 'zantopooto' as Sandport.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:01, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Reason being that Japanese don't have trouble rendering 'Wind' as 'Windo' e.g. the word ウィンドサーフィン, or the company 株式会社WIND also written as 株式会社ウィンド. Gunna be frank here; if the author is aware of a name like Ghislaine, then I'd bet that he knows 'wind' is not typically written as 'wen'. In other words, either he's hinting at 'wind', which makes it possible that 'zanto' is hinting at 'sand', or he didn't have 'wind' in mind at all, and it's supposed to be 'wenport'. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:46, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Be a rebel and translate it as Saint Port (though it is the Mirisu side). I didn't think Zanto had the sound of Sand, I guess that does sort of make sense after its pointed out. Names too hard for me I should just start naming all characters with letters, though I would run out and have to mix them with numbers, Rudeus is now called A1 in my translations... --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 01:15, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

Gunna rebel and start using Rooday'Az.[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 11:52, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

As for the wenpooto/zantopooto business, I would like to let alllllll you editors know, that I personally feel that you either stay fundamentalist for both (Wenport and Zantport), or liberal for both (Windport and Sandport). Also, I don't think there's a problem with Begaritto IMO, unless someone finds convincingly corresponding sounds in names of European places. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: Also, still waiting on your input about changing the MC's name to Rooday'Az lol. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:27, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

When it comes to names I have no issue with any changes to them it's better if they're all the same across the board. Just try to avoid any names that might massively alter the meaning. That Special/Good Life thing in volume 7 bothers me a bit in such a way. I always thought of Girenu as a Gelaine kind of name but if you guys want to take that as a Ghyslaine, that's similar and fine, just don't expect me to remember how to type it out like that when I'm translating it later, your free to fix it after to whatever is decided. Also, I mentioned it as a joke before but after giving it some thought I seriously started to consider Zanto = Saint, Saint Port as a connection point between what should have been Country of Saint Milis and it's at one end of the Sword Saint Highway. Anyways, good luck with the names no need to ask me any further. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 07:45, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Mmn, I think Saint Port might be good too. I just suggested Sand Port because I found it weird that 'wenpooto' was taken so liberally (I don't think a normal Japanese would get 'wind' from 'ウェン'), but you guys didn't noticed that 'zantopooto' might be sand in that case. If anything, you should be using Wenport and Sandport, not Windport and Zantoport (which would be much more normal for Japanese).

The reason is because 'zanto' resembles the German/Dutch pronunciation of 'sand', and so the four letter combination 'sand' ends up as ザント in Japanese.

e.g. in Log Horizon, ザント is used in the name of a place called ザントリーフ (taken by most translators as Sand Leaf). e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ザントハウゼン (Sandhausen) 
e.g. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/マルティン・ザントベルガー (Martin Sandberger) 

On the other hand, the four letter combination 'wind' is basically always ウィンド (windo) and not ウェン (wen). For this reason, imo the possible names should be like this, from most liberal to most fundamentalist:

1. Saint Port and Wind Port 
2. Sand Port and Wind Port 
3. Sandport and Wenport 
4. Zantport and Wenport 

And yeah, the Special/Good Life thing is bothering me as well lol. It's weird because in English we don't associate 'life' with 'student'. Readers might get the wrong impression. Honestly "the Good Life" sounds like the name of some pyramid scam.
Also I think that Gelaine might be a corruption of Ghislaine. I've personally never heard of Gelaine though, but it doesn't seem popular judging by google searches. It's just conjecture, but perhaps it's an 'alternate' spelling of Ghislaine. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 09:37, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== Shiron Kingdom ==

Throwing in support for 'Shirone' or something like that instead of Shiron. Reading the raws for volume 7 at the moment, and found that it's シーローン王国. Usually the long 'roon' (ローン) is used for words that sound like 'lawn' (as in the grass) or loan (as in the investment). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:55, 21 July 2014 (CDT)

At animesuki I saw them use Pax Shiron/Shirone instead of Pakkusu, since its a fairly well known latin word. Its also ironic considering the prince is anything but peaceful.--[[User:Nosobi|Nosobi]] ([[User talk:Nosobi|talk]]) 22:07, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

== エリナリーゼ ==

Would like to suggest ending エリナリーゼ's name in lise or liese, as it is reminiscent of the German/French name ending. I'm currently suggesting Elinalise as it sounds like parts of a real name, but as I realise there's no long vowel in エリナ, I'm ambivalent towards both 'Elina' and 'Erina'. 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リーゼ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 01:21, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

It's only like that cause the earlier chapters were tl'ed like that and changed for consistency. If Kaito doesn't mind, i'll change 'erinarize' to 'Elinalise', 'begaritto' to 'begarit' and 'Shiron' to 'Shirone', should Zanto port/Wenport stay as it is or be changed to sand port/wind port? There was also talks about Girenu/Ghislaine/Guillain/Ghyslaine but a decision was never made. Please let me know if you want these changed [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 01:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Shouldn't this be discussed amongst the editors? Kaito himself has said that he'd leave things to the editors. I understand my place as well, and will obey the will of the majority. Still, I have the right to stubbornly try and change your minds lol. For one thing, I'm pretty sure Guillain is a man's name, and written as ギラン(giran). ギレーヌ (gireenu) is almost certainly Ghislaine or one of it's variants (Ghyslaine for example) and not Girenu. It's also not Ghislain because that's also a man's name (lol). [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:24, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Yeah no way I want to change names without a consensus because I'll feel guilty if I destroy people's translations. However I went to AnimeSuki forum and even there they said the only consensus they ever come to is Orsted (instead of Orusuteddo or Orstedd) because there was a roman writing. If you guys need help I can go through and make the names consistent. Just tell us editors what to do. There're like 4-5 version of names out there including the online-translated stuff that didn't get romanized. Give us the trigger and I'll start referring to this page to fix all the names and terminologies. Unlike Vanant while I obey the will of the majority I have no reason to change peoples' minds lol because seems like a lot had already done their research. Oh, can we get more wiki/reference links in the page so new editors know why did people come up with the names? :) [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 10:59, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Was just reading [[User_talk:Pumkingboyz]] and [[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] was talking about flower names being used for Lilia, Ghislaine, Ginger, and Juliet. Was there a reason we're using Lylia instead of Lilia? Was it game reference? We're not prioritizing flower name usage? [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:26, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_%C3%98rsted Orsted.] also if it's the difference between male and female changing Ghislaine with Ghyslaine go with the feminine. Elinalize or whatever is fine. No real references found with her or aisha. Pakkusu should be Pax though, without a doubt, since 'Pax' means peace, and we know he is anything but peaceable. Lilia is not in any DQ game, though you might find it funny that our friend Cliff Grimoire is. From DQ4, also the origin of Zenith (Castle), Kurifuto was a PC if I remember my NES, and I don't. Take away the -to and you have Kurifu. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== ギュエス (gyuesu) ==

I suggest Gyes. In Japanese, the Hekatonkheir Gyes (Γύης) is romanised as ギュエス(gyuesu) or alternatively ギューエース(gyuueesu). Considering all this other shit the guy knows about Greek mythology I'm going to go out on a limb and suppose that he's heard of the hekatonkheires. In the first place, Gyes is one of the hekatonkheires that appears in Owari no Chronicle.

Incidentally, one of its other names is Gyges (Γύγης), is brought into Japanese as ギューゲース (gyuugeesu). 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヘカトンケイル [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Whoa, didn't see ^this link before. Go with that by all means.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:39, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== イゾルテ・クルーエル (izorute kuruueru) ==

Copy of conversation:

You need to have a look at how they romanise things here: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/トリスタンとイゾルデ

Isolde is イゾルデ(izorude) and Iseult is イズールト(izuuruto). You have the grounds to change Iseult to Isolte or something or other, but there's no grounds for you to say that "oh, it's not a 'so' sound but a 'zo' sound so let's change it to Izolte"
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:29, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

If you look, you'll notice that イゾルテ is neither of those - it is not ending in 'De', and second syllable is not 'Zu'. Modified reading of Isolde into Isolte, that corresponds to the change of 'de' to 'te', is as good reading as any, unless an example is found of word with existing translation with exactly that reading [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 12:39, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

You're missing my point completely, lol. I'm saying that no matter if it's a テ or a デ, "Iseult starts with 'Ise', not with 'Ize'" is completely invalid. Iseult and Isolde are both transliterated as 'z' sounds (see righhhhhhhht above this message. I'll even bold it for you.). Not to be rude here, but you're going to have to learn that '''Japanese don't take pronounciation cues from English alone''', buddy. A great example is how they write 'Bach' lol. How about you tell me that バッハ isn't Bach, because Bach should end in a っく sound.

When it comes to fantasy names, they're usually not taken directly from an actual name/location name. That's why we do the best we can to find parts that they may have pieced together, or taken cues from. For example, Iseult and Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:44, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

EDIT: For the record, I have no idea who this izorute character is lol. I'm just arguing because I can't agree with the basis behind [[User:SinsI|SinsI]]'s modification to Izolte (http://i59.tinypic.com/291gyuw.png). If he's being picky about the 'te' ending instead of 'de' ending, then use Isolte. It makes no sense to use 'izolte' when Japanese have clearly shown that they use イゾ to represent the 'iso' sound in Isolde.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 12:53, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

BTW I was just pointing Iseult wiki page out as the most likely origin for her character (matches her character description as well), Izolte, Izolde, Isolde, or Isolte all work IMO for names, it says right on the wiki page that Isolde is an alternative spelling for Iseult, put that through a Japanese pronunciation grinder and any of those work really. She appears in the Eris side stories along the later volumes, also in volume 16 chapter 5 Letter Arrives that I translated previously. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 13:23, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

@[[User:SinsI|SinsI]]: As I've said, if you're unhappy with Iseult, then use Isolte. There's no need for Izolte because 1) it's not a name 2) The 'iso' in 'Isolte' is read as 'イゾ(izo)' anyways. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 14:25, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

As much as I lit the fire here... Izolute was how I read it at first, and was just looking for what was phonetically close, because katakana is... well yeah. Honestly, I was wondering if Izolute wasn't some kind of counter word to something like Resolute. If not, I mean, you have Final Fantasy Tactics' good old [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Isilud_Tengille Izlude]it's literally one kana off. イズルード (Izoru-do) instead of イズルテ (Izorute). And we know this guy is all about Square-enix games. We can ignore this character for a while, but she will be dealt with during Eris side stories, and in vol.18 I believe. BUT I'm going to throw this out here. Tristina. Tristina is mentioned around this time as well and you have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_and_Iseult Tristan and Iseult]. I mean yeah it's somewhat stretching it, and honestly, I don't care enough to pursue it at this time. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 02:09, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

== リニア(rinia) & プルセナ(purusena) ==

==プルセナ==
I feel that the Porsena Lars thing is grasping at straws a bit. First of all they write him as ポルセナ王(king porusena). Second of all he's not that famous. Pursena is probably just a made up name that Ludicrous Backscratcher came up with.

http://www.oct.zaq.ne.jp/poppo456/in/p_Publicola.htm (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/shizuo_asogawa/e/697fadb7ae033607473d74979fb4e891 (mentions of porusena as ポルセナ王)

http://wikimatome.com/wiki/ポルセナ

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

It's fine to do whatever on this one tbh, I'm not gonna be obstinate. Mainly because I've read this: [http://altneues.com/sagon/haevest/h/Haevest.html Haevest] which happens to have a character in it named Purusena, same as in this one.--[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:30, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Since her name matches with her sister, should we change that other girl to Tersena? Or should we go with Purusena for this one?
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 22:35, 29 July 2014 (CDT)

==リニア==
Linnea the flower would be リンネ(rinne) wouldn't it? http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/リンネソウ

The only mention of リニア(rinia, the character's name) with regards to botanology would be the calandrinia (カランドリニア) so I'm pretty happy with Rinia as things are. ATM the idea that the author was going for some flower naming scheme seems just a tad dubious. Speaking fairly though, I'm only up to volume 8.

As for the Swedish name, it's リネア(rinea):

"スウェーデンで「リネア」は女の子の名前としても大変有名です。" - http://woodenhorse.shop-pro.jp/?pid=42910460 
"In Sweden, the girls' name 'Linnea' is very famous."

Hotel name transliterated as リネア(rinea), not リニア(rinia): http://www.jtb.co.jp/kaigai_fit/fr/v2/hotel/1081529/index.html;jsessionid=D04A45F1D49693C8E9605EEE5703A4C9

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 07:00, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

[https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%E3%83%AA%E3%83%8B%E3%82%A2+and+%E5%90%8D%E5%89%8D+and+Linnea Googled the following: リニア and 名前 and Linnea] It's legit. Some people do pronounce it Lin EE ah リニア, not just Lin AY uh リネア. Honestly if it was me, I wouldn't even attempt to localize any of these names. Until the end Rinia would be Rinia, Purusena Purusena, Gire-nu Gire-nu, etc. I worry that the people who want to do the manga scanlation (BTW chapter 1 is out in Monthly comic flapper- june issue) are going to be taking the naming cues from us. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 12:11, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

From experience the manga scanlators are worse in romanizing names. e.g. Lots of weird names for Hyouketsu Kyoukai no Eden first time, but the author himself did give the characters some hard-to-pronounce names tho lol. But yeah my first sentence still stands. [[User:Acolyte|Acolyte]] ([[User talk:Acolyte|talk]]) 12:15, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Oh cool! Stand corrected. -salutes- [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 17:40, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

== Bog? Quagmire? Morass? Marshland? Swamp? Mire? Fen? ==

Lets decide this please.

I prefer "Morass" because it makes for a great word in the following chapters.

But i'm willing to settle for "Marshland", "Mire" or "Fen".

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.

--Onizuka-GTO 03:30, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I stand by "Bog" first, he gets comments on how "dirty" his name sounds when his nickname comes up. Though just going with the simple "Mud" might work as well. "Rudeus of the Mud". "Rudmud" or "Mudeus" for short. Lol. That sounds so bad but I don't think his name was intended to sound cool. In terms of English transition Quagmire might work for comedic effect, "Oh Rudeus of the Quagmire you're so dirty~" It's like an unintended English reference. (Or maybe the Author was really just that bad ass to put that into consideration when he came up with it as a reference?) My opinion: 1. Bog, 2. Quagmire 3. Mud --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 04:23, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

"Bog" is a slang for a toilet and quagmire reminds me of "Family Guy", so they will never sound "cool" in my head....ever.
Have to agree with both of these, but the first comment in particular. Seeing peopel write it as 'bog' is just really uhh... Like, I can't imagine that anyone could associate that with respect lol.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 15:12, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

Okay, since Kaito makes a point that it shouldn't be "cool" i can understand it for later usage, but i really can't stand "bog" or "mud", "Quagmire" irritates me, but that's from a cultural standpoint and i suspect for non-western/Native English-speaking readers, the reference wouldn't be an issue.
So i propose that we stick with "Quagmire", as it is not anyones favourite and irritates us all equally, which can be used in later comedic instances.

Onizuka-GTO 01:05, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

== Voiceless or Chantless? ==

Which one? I'm seeing both in the translations.
[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 16:37, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

I'm the one who usually uses Voiceless Incantations (I think it started from Silent's translations?), but that might assume he's still using the incantation just in his head. Chantless is the proper way of using it, and you're free to fix them if you see it. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 16:58, 25 July 2014 (CDT)

he doesn't "chant" per se, he "imagines" or virtually 3D builds the magic mentally, therefore i feel "chantless" is more accurate.
Onizuka-GTO 01:07, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

Chantless would certainly be closer to the term used in the Japanese. 無詠唱　[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 04:19, 26 July 2014 (CDT)

==Zenith Greyrat==

Has a decision been made on the name of Rudy mother's name?

its zenith but they havent been updated yet

== Rudi or Rudy? ==

Since someone is changing Rudi to Rudy, we should at least get consensus on this.
I prefer Rudi, but there's no real basis behind it.
--[[User:DaiZzed|DaiZzed]] ([[User talk:DaiZzed|talk]]) 21:36, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I like Rudi plus that's usually what it's put on the translation -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 22:07, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

User talk:Dark Kaito

2014-07-31T02:11:51Z

Marrow:

== Mushoku Tensai edits ==
Just wanted to confirm if i can makes these changes as it alter the meaning slighty v4 c3

I can see two or three blurs. /if I can/

It means that the future is always undergoing changes.

Three seconds, four seconds, I can see that far into the future, but when you get to five seconds there are several tens of future possibilities blurring together. /I can see three to four seconds into the future but when I get to ../

No one will have to endure anything, it's the number one smart method, isn't it? /efficient method instead of smart/

If Rujierudo has that sort of intention then we'll stop with smart. / stop with that? O stop and won't sell the the wand?/

-- [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]]

I think most of those lines are better left in their original form matching the translation. In regards to the smart thing, the word smart was used in English that's why I used that word specifically.

In regards to the future stuff, there's no if about it he can clearly see several blurring futures when he uses it too far. In the second part the the line starts with him saying, "Three, Four, I can go that far but after I get to Five there are tens of possibilities", etc... imagine it kind of like having 10s of transparent windows on a computer all lined up partially overlapping that's how he sees the future, and the further he looks the more screens it adds on, there's no limit to how far past five seconds, it just become too many screens to differentiate them and puts more burden on his brain.

--[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito#top|talk]]) 23:54, 10 July 2014 (CDT)

Then he started to tell us about how much of a failure, how inappropriate she was as a younger sister and such, Girenu was in a voice filled with indifferent emotion. -- is it suppose to be Gyuesu instead of Girenu, as he is the one that is talking about her. V4 c8. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]]

Yes, Gyuesu is basically remembering back to how unpleasant his little sister Girenu was, I had trouble with the wording for that one, but he felt that Girenu wasn't worthy of being his little sister/family. She was a shame to the family in his opinion, and that was also filled with hostility from his own bad experiences with her (she was stronger than him). --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito#top|talk]]) 09:05, 12 July 2014 (CDT)

Kaito, I'm just translating the words, as far as spacing or cosmetic issues goes of any of my submissions, whatever makes it appear easier to read or navigate is fine. Honestly, I'm pretty bad with wiki-code and formatting. BTW, you are a beast hammering out all those chapters so fast. Splendid work! --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 18:26, 17 July 2014 (CDT)

You are a god sir! [[User:Bunnybacon|Bunnybacon]] ([[User talk:Bunnybacon|talk]]) 23:14, 18 July 2014 (CDT)

Just to clarify before i make some changes 'Dorudia' is the village name and 'Dedorudia' is the race, cause there are times where 'Dorudia race' is used instead of 'Dedorudia race'. [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:36, 19 July 2014 (CDT)

I can't remember if that's my mistake or the authors, but yes they are generally slightly different, Dorudia is the village and Dedorudia is the race. I type them out on auto based on what I see so it might have been my mistake or incorrect in the text, feel free to fix it. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito#top|talk]]) 07:16, 19 July 2014 (CDT)

In relation to Dorudia and whatnot, it's specified that the branches are based on genus type of beast clan.: Dorudo is the root word, treated like Migurudo or Superudo. It becomed Dorudia when specifically referenced. Those of the "A" branch: become Adorudia, usually these would be those of the Canine Dorudia lineage (In the upcoming case of Pursena). Those of the "De" branch are Dedorudia, and those are usually of the Feline Dorudia lineage (in this case, Gaius, Ghyslaine, Linnea etc.), since the Canine/Feline branches of the beast clan are considered to be "royalty." At least that is what I came across on my first run through the explanations. Pretty sure it gets mentioned a bit in V7CH4-5 or V8CH3-4. Also, Kaito, I asked a buddy about Tokubetsu Sei a bit when I had the chance, and he mentioned that when used in the context of a school setting, it is a rather outdated (Showa Era) way of saying "Exchange Student." Apparently, it has other connotations as well depending on the situation it's used in, insofar as it can also be loosely translated to something like "Custom-made." (It's a common enough phrase in most GunPla communities when talking about self made or original fabrication builds.) Considering the fact that our dear Rudeus happens to be a Showa Era PlaMo enthusiast, it makes sense that he would use it that way. --[[User:Skuizaan|Skuizaan]] ([[User talk:Skuizaan|talk]]) 00:04, 20 July 2014 (CDT)

I've updated the Naming page could you double check before i make thses changes in couple days [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 03:37, 22 July 2014 (CDT)

Not sure if you will see this soon since you're on break. I'm posting here instead of the [[Talk:Mushoku_Tensei:Volume_06_Chapter_9|talk page]] since it's a general thing that applies to multiple chapters. You said "so it's basically the same name said twice in two different ways as most abilities are in Mushoku" but I think you're misinterpreting the formatting. The author uses parentheses () for furigana in many cases. In earlier chapters the author uses them for many things, but I just went through vol 12-13 and aside from some voiced thoughts on lines by themselves, every use of parentheses is definitely furigana. Examples of terms with furigana are magic item, magic armor, elf/dwarf/hobbit. The author also specified how 人神 is pronounced Jinshin (in chapter 179 using parentheses for furigana, but even earlier a fan asked the author "How is it pronounced?" and [http://seesaawiki.jp/musyo-ten/d/%b3%e8%c6%b0%ca%f3%b9%f0%a4%e8%a4%ea|was told Jinshin in return]). In particular, spells often have an English-based pronunciation specified in furigana. But furigana for terms isn't stated every time it's used, usually just the first time and whenever the author wants to remind the reader. 岩砲弾 is ストーンキャノン (Stone Cannon/Stonecannon), 乱魔 is ディスタブ・マジック (Disturb Magic). (Of course, it wouldn't make sense to write Stone Cannon every time 岩砲弾 appears, since that term is usually used to refer to the bullet/cannonball itself rather than just the name of the spell which summons it; I didn't do so for the chapter I translated.) So for example, every time Rudeus or Orsted says 乱魔, even if there's no parentheses next to it, you can assume he's actually voicing it as Disturb Magic. [[User:Myopius|Myopius]] ([[User talk:Myopius|talk]]) 07:23, 23 July 2014 (CDT)

Something happened to links after volume four???

It looks like the change to the format has broken the ability to read the chapters in the collapsed area with the Baka-tsuki app, can you please fix this/return it to the way it was? 00:29, 28 July 2014 (CDT)

So on chapter 99 did some minor edits. I've got a question and also a heads up for you.

# you're supposed to make getting these six types to Elementary level as your goal.

After you've acquired those(changing to: After you've achieved that)

# Although, it seems there are outstanding talents like Sylphy and Cliff once in every ten years.

Outstanding talents once in every ten years.

That means every year there's one guy like that. (Last line contradicts the other 2, so should I change the first 2 lines or the last one.)I was leaning towards changing the last one. -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 21:11, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

== Cother ==

Hi well how should i say that ,i wanted to register for the volume first i was told it can only be done by 2 translator and i couldent wait to translat the volume 9 because i wanted to read it or should i call it i was runing out of time so i used i machine translation but in the end i didnt understand the context so i posted it as a ( PREVIEW) not to complet or to cause trouble
just to read it you are free to change it or edit even delet is not a probleme

== Cother ==

thanks feel free free to do as you like
==cother NEED HELP==
WERE I CAN LEARN JAPEN EASLY using the net mean self study if you have anybook that can help please advice
it to me i dont whant to rely on machine translation but my one reading of the story

User talk:Shahryar

2014-07-31T01:59:31Z

Marrow: Created page with "Pretty sure we were leaving all of them as Rudi. ~~~~"

Pretty sure we were leaving all of them as Rudi. [[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 20:59, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

User talk:Acolyte

2014-07-30T19:31:41Z

Marrow:

Talk page created in case anyone wanna chat with me~
== Chat ==
Hi Acolyte,

I am new to using the wiki editting system and would like to ask a question about how to use it better than now. I saw that you were able to edit over past revisions and make minor undos, but how do you undo certain sections which you editted but then felt unsure of? I would appreciate learning this so that I save the translator from any hiccups or unnecessary interventions.

Best,
John

[[User:John Woodward|John Woodward]] ([[User talk:John Woodward|talk]]) 17:17, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

Acolyte,
Thanks for the advice, and instructions. Edit: I tried it on this post, correct me if I am wrong: it's simply un-doing the revision, then manually going in and simply re-typing each edit.

Also I appreciate the thanks, I want to help out and be useful to the LN Mushoku Tensei. I had a thought earlier- what happens when two editors revise at around the same time deriving from the same original document? Has this happened to you previously?

Thanks again I appreciate your support,
Jwood (John Woodward)
jwood 19:06, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

any idea if the nav bar need to be updated ? [[User:Pumkingboyz|Pumkingboyz]] ([[User talk:Pumkingboyz|talk]]) 23:19, 28 July 2014 (CDT)

Sorry thought they were mistakes, will leave them alone from now on [[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 14:31, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

== Antimagic ==

The Mystelteinn thing prob is from Korezon lol, the incom thing I don't remember that but it's fine. Just follow the used terms and names, there should be a terminology page on the main proj page. As for relying on the original text Kry tries to follow it to the best of his ability. The terms we use may differ because Kry and I have discussed it and changes are based on if it sounds good, makes sense and so forth. As you can't capture all the nuances and such in the original text in english.--[[User:Dual Blades|Dual Blades]] ([[User talk:Dual Blades|talk]]) 00:56, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

First of all watch your tenses ( double negative rule, switching tenses in a sentence...) Ex. using has vs had, has is more possessive/present tense while had is past tense, Mephisto's soul has already ran far away into the sky, has denotes it's Mephisto's soul and that it's the present situation. Try to edit the very common sense stuff first, also try not to add references unless you clearly know about the subject or whatever, the uuu line is not said by Takeru you have to read it carefully. Other then that you did a good job, keep it up. P.s Add antimagic comments under the antimagic heading plz. And have your read the previous volumes of Antimagic yet? It makes editing the series easier if you have read them--[[User:Dual Blades|Dual Blades]] ([[User talk:Dual Blades|talk]]) 03:13, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

You know how there an Antimagic heading for your talk page (I made it) I have one as well so post any antimagic related comments under that heading. I advise that you join IRC that where Kry and I discuss the edits and stuff. It makes editing and communicating way easier/faster. Try downloading Hexchat (it's free) and join the channel #Antimagic. The 'and' is b/c it sounds better and you have to read the context/surrounding sentences. Look at the lines before and after the 'and made a request'. Also the 'regain' thing do you know the double negative rule? B/c had is already past tense so if you have had regain(ed) would cancel each other out so had regain would mean he regain composure, past tense b/c of the had. Also remember we don't have to be that formal with the english, just has to be accurate, sound good and stuff like that. Don't sweat the minor stuff. Also the 'managed' thing it depends on the word, remember Usagi took care of those scarecrows (brainwashed students) before she came to the roof so it's past tense. So she manage would imply present, managed would mean past, as in she took care of them already.--[[User:Dual Blades|Dual Blades]] ([[User talk:Dual Blades|talk]]) 15:07, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

Like I said don't sweat the small stuff regain or regained both are pretty much fine. I highly advise you to join IRC I don't feel like typing paragraphs everytime...zzzzz.--[[User:Dual Blades|Dual Blades]] ([[User talk:Dual Blades|talk]]) 15:20, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

Like I said don't sweat the small stuff, also try reading the sentences out loud, if you feel really strongly inclined you can change the managed thing but try reading that line out loud first. Join Rizon, then search for Antimagic, put in the # if not there.

== mt ==

Hey, "I had unconsciously intended to tell him that I had left it in the Shirone Kingdom." was originally "I had unconsciously made to tell him that I had left it in the Shirone Kingdom."

I wrote 'made to tell' because what's unconscious is his body movements, not his intention. You can't unconsciously intend something. But since it's been pointed out, I realise using 'made' there looks weird as fuck. Could you reword it so that it keeps the meaning, but doesn't interrupt the reading process? Thanks [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 13:30, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

Going to? Unconsciously going to. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 13:38, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

== Cother ==

Hi well i should say sorry first because im a novice at japan so most of time the result is like a machine traduction in an other word
traduction word by word and for the kanji because i cant read theme i leave them so as to be corrected.
sorry again if i have troubled you

sorry to tall you but volume 11 ch2 incomplet was a human translation using the law [japen to romanji to english] ther no kanji and the personne can understand the context and correct it easly but i will use preview page from now on sorry for that mistake im only i novice to begin whit

== Re: SimpleNav ==

[[Template talk:SimpleNav|Left a reply on the talk page]]. Thanks for bringing up the issue. -[[User:AKAAkira|Akira]] ([[User talk:AKAAkira|talk]]) 14:11, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

User talk:Kazeboy

2014-07-30T16:24:06Z

Marrow:

Hey there! Are you a google translator?

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Talk:Mushoku_Tensei#Machine_Translators

Also, I know this is a bit presumptuous of me, but if you're not too far into it, could you work on chapter 4 instead? Chapter 3 goes sort of well with the Chapter 2 I'm working on, so I was hoping to be able to do it.

EDIT: Ah, but of course I understand if you don't want to. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 04:36, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

======================
Sorry for the late reply , I am just too interested in this series which is why I was hasty to read it , , Sure it's okay , I'll go from Chapter 4 , just let me read the first 2 chapters this week if possible. (I know you are going to uni on Monday so only if possible and one more thing , don't drop this so we can read it ASAP)

No worries! Thank you very much! I just really wanted to do chapter 2 and 3. And although I don't plan on dropping it, I was just giving people a heads up since I really don't know how the workload will be. It's my final semester, final year lol. I've mentioned on my DA, but current status:
Currently 2/3 through ch75 and the Eris SS (thanks to Pumkingboyz giving me a reason to go through it), as well as 1/4 through ch82.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 08:36, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

======================
I would like to advice you to use "promt translator" as its better than google translator in japanese translation. Check it!.
I use opera addons "translator" (it use promt translator so its realativy easy to select text and translate it fast)
to translate texts and other addon to check vocabulary "rikaikun" ( below are links for those addons for opera users)

https://addons.opera.com/pl/extensions/details/translator/

https://addons.opera.com/pl/extensions/details/rikaikun/?display=en

[[User:Darkzero|Darkzero]] ([[User talk:Darkzero|talk]]) 09:16, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

Thank you , I am testing it out. [[User:Kazeboy|Kazeboy]] ([[User talk:Kazeboy|talk]]) 15:16, 27 July 2014 (GMT)

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Hey guys , have a look at Part1 of chapter 94 if you have time and point out the mistakes please. [[User:Kazeboy|Kazeboy]] ([[User talk:Kazeboy|talk]])

== Mushoku Tensei ==

Dear Kazeboy,

You welcomed to joined the project, just sign up on the registration page.

However all machine translated scrip must tag all your raw machine translated scripts with the "preview" tag and title link must contain "preview" and labelled with "Editing in Progress".

This is not only to alert readers of the scripts raw nature, but also to give you some slack, because we all have to learn somewhere, right?

Working from machine translation can be in some ways far more difficult then starting form scratch, so you must be prepared to add the raw japanese within the script, using the "hidden" tags. This allows editors and veteran translators who have time to look over your script and give you some help.

I look forward to your contribution and thank you for helping bring this web/light novel to the community.

Onizuka-GTO 19:58, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

Hi , Thanks , Just to let you know , though I call it machine translation , I am just dumping text in google translate , and translate from romanji :P since I do not know more than 200 Kanji for now , so looking at dictionary for anything I don't understand from the romanji , so I like to think this is way better that the preview's I am seeing right now on Mushoku Tensei. Kazeboy 28 July 2014

Hi Working from machine translation can be in some ways far more difficult but if you want an advice [use more than one web machine translator ] it will help you couver the blind spout of the one you use--[[User:COTHER|COTHER]] ([[User talk:COTHER|talk]]) 09:52, 29 July 2014 (CDT)

You mean the 7th right?

If you can do chapter 7 faster than I can, feel free to take it. 2 and 3 as well lol, if you're confident. This series is becoming a mess, as is the quality of "translations" on it so feel free to take them lol. I basically don't care anymore. My stuff was already pretty bad, so how much worse could a few steps down from me be? In the first place, I take way longer than people like COTHER or whatever. Removing myself from 2, 3, and 7 now.

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 23:48, 29 July 2014 (CDT)

That's absolutely not what I meant , I am waiting for your translation , I just wanted to read it sooner so I thought I'd let you know , that's all. sorry about that. [[User:Kazeboy|Kazeboy]] ([[User talk:Kazeboy|talk]]) 00:05, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

Oh, I didn't think you meant anything bad about it, but I do mean that you can have 2, 3 and 7. It's a bit vexing to drop them midway after the time I've put in, but I cbb anymore lol. For the sake of consistency, I think you should do 2, 3 and 7 as well. EDIT: sorry if you misunderstood and thought I was angry or something

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 00:27, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

Sorry, but I won't be doing them lol. Before I changed the registration page, I deleted the txt files so that I wouldn't back out like a cunt lol. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 00:42, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

== Editing Mushoku Tensei ==

Hey was doing some editing in your chapters, changed all the "Rudeus of the quagmire" and capitalized to Q since it's basically a nickname or title for him. I'll try to keep on editing a bit if you've got any problems with my edits just let me know. -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 01:39, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

Marrow-san , it's highly appreciated that you are helping me with the edits , so far I am enjoying what you did , since I haven't been translating anything to English [It's not my native language] it seem both my vocabulary and grammar has dropped considerably , just please do not what you edit , so we can keep as close to Japanese text as possible. Now regarding the Title , yeas that's a very good idea , since that is his title, thank you. --- Kazeboy 11:20 30 July 2014 (CDT)

I'll probably just start listing all my changes on the chapter discussion page since it's empty for the most part of the chapters. [[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 11:24, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

User talk:Kazeboy

2014-07-30T06:39:11Z

Marrow: /* Mushoku Tensei */

Hey there! Are you a google translator?

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Talk:Mushoku_Tensei#Machine_Translators

Also, I know this is a bit presumptuous of me, but if you're not too far into it, could you work on chapter 4 instead? Chapter 3 goes sort of well with the Chapter 2 I'm working on, so I was hoping to be able to do it.

EDIT: Ah, but of course I understand if you don't want to. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 04:36, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

======================
Sorry for the late reply , I am just too interested in this series which is why I was hasty to read it , , Sure it's okay , I'll go from Chapter 4 , just let me read the first 2 chapters this week if possible. (I know you are going to uni on Monday so only if possible and one more thing , don't drop this so we can read it ASAP)

No worries! Thank you very much! I just really wanted to do chapter 2 and 3. And although I don't plan on dropping it, I was just giving people a heads up since I really don't know how the workload will be. It's my final semester, final year lol. I've mentioned on my DA, but current status:
Currently 2/3 through ch75 and the Eris SS (thanks to Pumkingboyz giving me a reason to go through it), as well as 1/4 through ch82.
[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 08:36, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

======================
I would like to advice you to use "promt translator" as its better than google translator in japanese translation. Check it!.
I use opera addons "translator" (it use promt translator so its realativy easy to select text and translate it fast)
to translate texts and other addon to check vocabulary "rikaikun" ( below are links for those addons for opera users)

https://addons.opera.com/pl/extensions/details/translator/

https://addons.opera.com/pl/extensions/details/rikaikun/?display=en

[[User:Darkzero|Darkzero]] ([[User talk:Darkzero|talk]]) 09:16, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

Thank you , I am testing it out. [[User:Kazeboy|Kazeboy]] ([[User talk:Kazeboy|talk]]) 15:16, 27 July 2014 (GMT)

================================
Hey guys , have a look at Part1 of chapter 94 if you have time and point out the mistakes please. [[User:Kazeboy|Kazeboy]] ([[User talk:Kazeboy|talk]])

== Mushoku Tensei ==

Dear Kazeboy,

You welcomed to joined the project, just sign up on the registration page.

However all machine translated scrip must tag all your raw machine translated scripts with the "preview" tag and title link must contain "preview" and labelled with "Editing in Progress".

This is not only to alert readers of the scripts raw nature, but also to give you some slack, because we all have to learn somewhere, right?

Working from machine translation can be in some ways far more difficult then starting form scratch, so you must be prepared to add the raw japanese within the script, using the "hidden" tags. This allows editors and veteran translators who have time to look over your script and give you some help.

I look forward to your contribution and thank you for helping bring this web/light novel to the community.

Onizuka-GTO 19:58, 27 July 2014 (CDT)

Hi , Thanks , Just to let you know , though I call it machine translation , I am just dumping text in google translate , and translate from romanji :P since I do not know more than 200 Kanji for now , so looking at dictionary for anything I don't understand from the romanji , so I like to think this is way better that the preview's I am seeing right now on Mushoku Tensei. Kazeboy 28 July 2014

Hi Working from machine translation can be in some ways far more difficult but if you want an advice [use more than one web machine translator ] it will help you couver the blind spout of the one you use--[[User:COTHER|COTHER]] ([[User talk:COTHER|talk]]) 09:52, 29 July 2014 (CDT)

You mean the 7th right?

If you can do chapter 7 faster than I can, feel free to take it. 2 and 3 as well lol, if you're confident. This series is becoming a mess, as is the quality of "translations" on it so feel free to take them lol. I basically don't care anymore. My stuff was already pretty bad, so how much worse could a few steps down from me be? In the first place, I take way longer than people like COTHER or whatever. Removing myself from 2, 3, and 7 now.

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 23:48, 29 July 2014 (CDT)

That's absolutely not what I meant , I am waiting for your translation , I just wanted to read it sooner so I thought I'd let you know , that's all. sorry about that. [[User:Kazeboy|Kazeboy]] ([[User talk:Kazeboy|talk]]) 00:05, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

Oh, I didn't think you meant anything bad about it, but I do mean that you can have 2, 3 and 7. It's a bit vexing to drop them midway after the time I've put in, but I cbb anymore lol. For the sake of consistency, I think you should do 2, 3 and 7 as well. EDIT: sorry if you misunderstood and thought I was angry or something

[[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 00:27, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

Sorry, but I won't be doing them lol. Before I changed the registration page, I deleted the txt files so that I wouldn't back out like a cunt lol. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 00:42, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

Hey was doing some editing in your chapters, changed all the "Rudeus of the quagmire" and capitalized to Q since it's basically a nickname or title for him. I'll try to keep on editing a bit if you've got any problems with my edits just let me know. -[[User:Marrow|Marrow]] ([[User talk:Marrow|talk]]) 01:39, 30 July 2014 (CDT)