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User talk:Sage

2006-06-01T10:16:03Z

Sage:

Hi Sage,

I just made a few monster edits to [[Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume1 Chapter1]] which included reverting several of the changes you had made in your recent edits.

You made two separate edits to change "introduction was" to "intruductions were". I changed it back, as I think Kyon is referring to Haruhi's introduction, not all the introductions by the class. Perhaps my understanding is wrong though.

You added a paranthetical note saying which classroom the guys in Kyon's class moved into, but I took it out again. The two classes are described pretty clearly earlier in the paragraph and Kyon's class is identified explicitly. I think it can be left to the reader to know what "the other room" would be.

One phrasing I did not change: Frankly, topics like what dreams people have or how amazing or cute someone's pet is are, in my book, some of the dullest topics in the world.

The "is are" construction in the middle of that sentance is really awkward, even if it is technically grammatical. The original transation is quite similar to what you put, and another editor had changed it to try to avoid the "is are". Since I really don't understand the purpose of the sentance in context I've left it for now. See [[Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume1 Chapter1#Frankly.2C_topics_like_what_dreams_people_have.2C_or_how_amazing_or_cute_someone.27s_pet_is_are.2C_in_my_book.2C_are_some_of_the_dullest_topics_in_the_world.|the talk page]].

You made a quotation out of "Taniguchi, you look like a total moron with that expression of yours!" which was previously an internal dialog. I've reverted that as per [[Format guideline#Dialogue_and_Narration_Syntax_Section|the format guidlines]].

Anyway, there were lots of other changes you made that were good, so I hope you won't be upest that I've undone a few of them. Welcome to the project!

--[[User:BlckKnght|BlckKnght]] 13:23, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

<HR>

No problem. I'm no book editor. ;) I was reading the first chapter and thought a few things seemed out of place and could use a bit of touch-up. And of course with Wiki, if you don't want your work to be edited, don't edit.

Thanks for your post though it's always kind of someone to say why they did things and not flame you for trying to help. ~Sage

== Re: Took out the ( and ) as to the guidelines. But used italics to represent some of K's dialog. It needs to stand out somehow... ==

In my opinion, they don't need to stand out, since they didn't stand out in the original. You can tell in the context whether he says them out loud or not... especially when others respond. But that's just my opinion...

--[[User:GDsMDDLFNGR|GDsMDDLFNGR]] 11:25, 31 May 2006 (PDT)

There are a few times where I was reading and the context of what he was saying didn't make sense till I realized that instead he was thinking the words internally.

Even if they didn't stand out in the Japanese there is no reason they shouldn't stand out in the English version. of course that's just my ¥2. ^_^ ~Sage

<HR>

I think the fact that they are not distinguished in the Japanese (original) version is the biggest reason the same should be done for the English (translated) one. Think of it as respecting the author's style. Anyway, there's a little discussion about this [http://www.baka-tsuki.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28 here]. ( ﾟωﾟ)

<HR>

In the anime, at least, they make a clear vocal distinction between him talking and him thinking. As I said earlier I found it hard to tell who was talking and about what at times when he had a lot of inner monologue going on. When I highlighted then passages everything clearly fell in to place. Mind you this is just how I think. I won't change any more of his internal monologue so don't worry. Though, I can't imagine that if the book came out in the US, after landing on the desk of a professional editor, that his internal monologue would remain unhighlighted in any way. ~Sage

<HR>

Now you're hurting the Sneaker Magazine editors' feelings ( ;ω;) hehe just kidding ( ﾟωﾟ)

<HR>

OMG! You work for a sneaker magazine!? You must really like shoes! :) ~Sage

User talk:Sage

2006-06-01T07:45:24Z

Sage:

User talk:Sage

2006-06-01T07:44:43Z

Sage:

Hi Sage,

I just made a few monster edits to [[Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume1 Chapter1]] which included reverting several of the changes you had made in your recent edits.

You made two separate edits to change "introduction was" to "intruductions were". I changed it back, as I think Kyon is referring to Haruhi's introduction, not all the introductions by the class. Perhaps my understanding is wrong though.

You added a paranthetical note saying which classroom the guys in Kyon's class moved into, but I took it out again. The two classes are described pretty clearly earlier in the paragraph and Kyon's class is identified explicitly. I think it can be left to the reader to know what "the other room" would be.

One phrasing I did not change: Frankly, topics like what dreams people have or how amazing or cute someone's pet is are, in my book, some of the dullest topics in the world.

The "is are" construction in the middle of that sentance is really awkward, even if it is technically grammatical. The original transation is quite similar to what you put, and another editor had changed it to try to avoid the "is are". Since I really don't understand the purpose of the sentance in context I've left it for now. See [[Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume1 Chapter1#Frankly.2C_topics_like_what_dreams_people_have.2C_or_how_amazing_or_cute_someone.27s_pet_is_are.2C_in_my_book.2C_are_some_of_the_dullest_topics_in_the_world.|the talk page]].

You made a quotation out of "Taniguchi, you look like a total moron with that expression of yours!" which was previously an internal dialog. I've reverted that as per [[Format guideline#Dialogue_and_Narration_Syntax_Section|the format guidlines]].

Anyway, there were lots of other changes you made that were good, so I hope you won't be upest that I've undone a few of them. Welcome to the project!

--[[User:BlckKnght|BlckKnght]] 13:23, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

<HR>

No problem. I'm no book editor. ;) I was reading the first chapter and thought a few things seemed out of place and could use a bit of touch-up. And of course with Wiki, if you don't want your work to be edited, don't edit.

Thanks for your post though it's always kind of someone to say why they did things and not flame you for trying to help.

== Re: Took out the ( and ) as to the guidelines. But used italics to represent some of K's dialog. It needs to stand out somehow... ==

In my opinion, they don't need to stand out, since they didn't stand out in the original. You can tell in the context whether he says them out loud or not... especially when others respond. But that's just my opinion...

--[[User:GDsMDDLFNGR|GDsMDDLFNGR]] 11:25, 31 May 2006 (PDT)

There are a few times where I was reading and the context of what he was saying didn't make sense till I realized that instead he was thinking the words internally.

Even if they didn't stand out in the Japanese there is no reason they shouldn't stand out in the English version. of course that's just my ¥2. ^_^ ~Sage

<HR>

I think the fact that they are not distinguished in the Japanese (original) version is the biggest reason the same should be done for the English (translated) one. Think of it as respecting the author's style. Anyway, there's a little discussion about this [http://www.baka-tsuki.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28 here]. ( ﾟωﾟ)

<HR>

In the anime, at least, they make a clear vocal distinction between him talking and him thinking. As I said earlier I found it hard to tell who was talking and about what at times when he had a lot of inner monologue going on. When I highlighted then passages everything clearly fell in to place. Mind you this is just how I think. I won't change any more of his internal monologue so don't worry. Though, I can't imagine that if the book came out in the US, after landing on the desk of a professional editor, that his internal monologue would remain unhighlighted in any way. ~Sage

User talk:Sage

2006-06-01T07:44:00Z

Sage: /* Re: Took out the ( and ) as to the guidelines. But used italics to represent some of K's dialog. It needs to stand out somehow... */

Hi Sage,

I just made a few monster edits to [[Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume1 Chapter1]] which included reverting several of the changes you had made in your recent edits.

You made two separate edits to change "introduction was" to "intruductions were". I changed it back, as I think Kyon is referring to Haruhi's introduction, not all the introductions by the class. Perhaps my understanding is wrong though.

You added a paranthetical note saying which classroom the guys in Kyon's class moved into, but I took it out again. The two classes are described pretty clearly earlier in the paragraph and Kyon's class is identified explicitly. I think it can be left to the reader to know what "the other room" would be.

One phrasing I did not change: Frankly, topics like what dreams people have or how amazing or cute someone's pet is are, in my book, some of the dullest topics in the world.

The "is are" construction in the middle of that sentance is really awkward, even if it is technically grammatical. The original transation is quite similar to what you put, and another editor had changed it to try to avoid the "is are". Since I really don't understand the purpose of the sentance in context I've left it for now. See [[Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume1 Chapter1#Frankly.2C_topics_like_what_dreams_people_have.2C_or_how_amazing_or_cute_someone.27s_pet_is_are.2C_in_my_book.2C_are_some_of_the_dullest_topics_in_the_world.|the talk page]].

You made a quotation out of "Taniguchi, you look like a total moron with that expression of yours!" which was previously an internal dialog. I've reverted that as per [[Format guideline#Dialogue_and_Narration_Syntax_Section|the format guidlines]].

Anyway, there were lots of other changes you made that were good, so I hope you won't be upest that I've undone a few of them. Welcome to the project!

--[[User:BlckKnght|BlckKnght]] 13:23, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

No problem. I'm no book editor. ;) I was reading the first chapter and thought a few things seemed out of place and could use a bit of touch-up. And of course with Wiki, if you don't want your work to be edited, don't edit.

Thanks for your post though it's always kind of someone to say why they did things and not flame you for trying to help.

== Re: Took out the ( and ) as to the guidelines. But used italics to represent some of K's dialog. It needs to stand out somehow... ==

In my opinion, they don't need to stand out, since they didn't stand out in the original. You can tell in the context whether he says them out loud or not... especially when others respond. But that's just my opinion...

--[[User:GDsMDDLFNGR|GDsMDDLFNGR]] 11:25, 31 May 2006 (PDT)

There are a few times where I was reading and the context of what he was saying didn't make sense till I realized that instead he was thinking the words internally.

Even if they didn't stand out in the Japanese there is no reason they shouldn't stand out in the English version. of course that's just my ¥2. ^_^ ~Sage

<HR>

I think the fact that they are not distinguished in the Japanese (original) version is the biggest reason the same should be done for the English (translated) one. Think of it as respecting the author's style. Anyway, there's a little discussion about this [http://www.baka-tsuki.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28 here]. ( ﾟωﾟ)

<HR>

In the anime, at least, they make a clear vocal distinction between him talking and him thinking. As I said earlier I found it hard to tell who was talking and about what at times when he had a lot of inner monologue going on. When I highlighted then passages everything clearly fell in to place. Mind you this is just how I think. I won't change any more of his internal monologue so don't worry. Though, I can't imagine that if the book came out in the US, after landing on the desk of a professional editor, that his internal monologue would remain unhighlighted in any way. ~Sage

User talk:Sage

2006-06-01T07:43:38Z

Sage: /* Re: Took out the ( and ) as to the guidelines. But used italics to represent some of K's dialog. It needs to stand out somehow... */

Hi Sage,

I just made a few monster edits to [[Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume1 Chapter1]] which included reverting several of the changes you had made in your recent edits.

You made two separate edits to change "introduction was" to "intruductions were". I changed it back, as I think Kyon is referring to Haruhi's introduction, not all the introductions by the class. Perhaps my understanding is wrong though.

You added a paranthetical note saying which classroom the guys in Kyon's class moved into, but I took it out again. The two classes are described pretty clearly earlier in the paragraph and Kyon's class is identified explicitly. I think it can be left to the reader to know what "the other room" would be.

One phrasing I did not change: Frankly, topics like what dreams people have or how amazing or cute someone's pet is are, in my book, some of the dullest topics in the world.

The "is are" construction in the middle of that sentance is really awkward, even if it is technically grammatical. The original transation is quite similar to what you put, and another editor had changed it to try to avoid the "is are". Since I really don't understand the purpose of the sentance in context I've left it for now. See [[Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume1 Chapter1#Frankly.2C_topics_like_what_dreams_people_have.2C_or_how_amazing_or_cute_someone.27s_pet_is_are.2C_in_my_book.2C_are_some_of_the_dullest_topics_in_the_world.|the talk page]].

You made a quotation out of "Taniguchi, you look like a total moron with that expression of yours!" which was previously an internal dialog. I've reverted that as per [[Format guideline#Dialogue_and_Narration_Syntax_Section|the format guidlines]].

Anyway, there were lots of other changes you made that were good, so I hope you won't be upest that I've undone a few of them. Welcome to the project!

--[[User:BlckKnght|BlckKnght]] 13:23, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

No problem. I'm no book editor. ;) I was reading the first chapter and thought a few things seemed out of place and could use a bit of touch-up. And of course with Wiki, if you don't want your work to be edited, don't edit.

Thanks for your post though it's always kind of someone to say why they did things and not flame you for trying to help.

== Re: Took out the ( and ) as to the guidelines. But used italics to represent some of K's dialog. It needs to stand out somehow... ==

<HR>

In my opinion, they don't need to stand out, since they didn't stand out in the original. You can tell in the context whether he says them out loud or not... especially when others respond. But that's just my opinion...

--[[User:GDsMDDLFNGR|GDsMDDLFNGR]] 11:25, 31 May 2006 (PDT)

There are a few times where I was reading and the context of what he was saying didn't make sense till I realized that instead he was thinking the words internally.

Even if they didn't stand out in the Japanese there is no reason they shouldn't stand out in the English version. of course that's just my ¥2. ^_^ ~Sage

<HR>

I think the fact that they are not distinguished in the Japanese (original) version is the biggest reason the same should be done for the English (translated) one. Think of it as respecting the author's style. Anyway, there's a little discussion about this [http://www.baka-tsuki.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28 here]. ( ﾟωﾟ)

<HR>

In the anime, at least, they make a clear vocal distinction between him talking and him thinking. As I said earlier I found it hard to tell who was talking and about what at times when he had a lot of inner monologue going on. When I highlighted then passages everything clearly fell in to place. Mind you this is just how I think. I won't change any more of his internal monologue so don't worry. Though, I can't imagine that if the book came out in the US, after landing on the desk of a professional editor, that his internal monologue would remain unhighlighted in any way. ~Sage

User talk:Sage

2006-06-01T07:42:48Z

Sage: /* Re: Took out the ( and ) as to the guidelines. But used italics to represent some of K's dialog. It needs to stand out somehow... */

Hi Sage,

I just made a few monster edits to [[Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume1 Chapter1]] which included reverting several of the changes you had made in your recent edits.

You made two separate edits to change "introduction was" to "intruductions were". I changed it back, as I think Kyon is referring to Haruhi's introduction, not all the introductions by the class. Perhaps my understanding is wrong though.

You added a paranthetical note saying which classroom the guys in Kyon's class moved into, but I took it out again. The two classes are described pretty clearly earlier in the paragraph and Kyon's class is identified explicitly. I think it can be left to the reader to know what "the other room" would be.

One phrasing I did not change: Frankly, topics like what dreams people have or how amazing or cute someone's pet is are, in my book, some of the dullest topics in the world.

The "is are" construction in the middle of that sentance is really awkward, even if it is technically grammatical. The original transation is quite similar to what you put, and another editor had changed it to try to avoid the "is are". Since I really don't understand the purpose of the sentance in context I've left it for now. See [[Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume1 Chapter1#Frankly.2C_topics_like_what_dreams_people_have.2C_or_how_amazing_or_cute_someone.27s_pet_is_are.2C_in_my_book.2C_are_some_of_the_dullest_topics_in_the_world.|the talk page]].

You made a quotation out of "Taniguchi, you look like a total moron with that expression of yours!" which was previously an internal dialog. I've reverted that as per [[Format guideline#Dialogue_and_Narration_Syntax_Section|the format guidlines]].

Anyway, there were lots of other changes you made that were good, so I hope you won't be upest that I've undone a few of them. Welcome to the project!

--[[User:BlckKnght|BlckKnght]] 13:23, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

No problem. I'm no book editor. ;) I was reading the first chapter and thought a few things seemed out of place and could use a bit of touch-up. And of course with Wiki, if you don't want your work to be edited, don't edit.

Thanks for your post though it's always kind of someone to say why they did things and not flame you for trying to help.

== Re: Took out the ( and ) as to the guidelines. But used italics to represent some of K's dialog. It needs to stand out somehow... ==

In my opinion, they don't need to stand out, since they didn't stand out in the original. You can tell in the context whether he says them out loud or not... especially when others respond. But that's just my opinion...

--[[User:GDsMDDLFNGR|GDsMDDLFNGR]] 11:25, 31 May 2006 (PDT)

There are a few times where I was reading and the context of what he was saying didn't make sense till I realized that instead he was thinking the words internally.

Even if they didn't stand out in the Japanese there is no reason they shouldn't stand out in the English version. of course that's just my ¥2. ^_^ ~Sage

I think the fact that they are not distinguished in the Japanese (original) version is the biggest reason the same should be done for the English (translated) one. Think of it as respecting the author's style. Anyway, there's a little discussion about this [http://www.baka-tsuki.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28 here]. ( ﾟωﾟ)

<HR>

In the anime, at least, they make a clear vocal distinction between him talking and him thinking. As I said earlier I found it hard to tell who was talking and about what at times when he had a lot of inner monologue going on. When I highlighted then passages everything clearly fell in to place. Mind you this is just how I think. I won't change any more of his internal monologue so don't worry. Though, I can't imagine that if the book came out in the US, after landing on the desk of a professional editor, that his internal monologue would remain unhighlighted in any way. ~Sage

User talk:Sage

2006-06-01T07:42:18Z

Sage: /* Re: Took out the ( and ) as to the guidelines. But used italics to represent some of K's dialog. It needs to stand out somehow... */

Hi Sage,

I just made a few monster edits to [[Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume1 Chapter1]] which included reverting several of the changes you had made in your recent edits.

You made two separate edits to change "introduction was" to "intruductions were". I changed it back, as I think Kyon is referring to Haruhi's introduction, not all the introductions by the class. Perhaps my understanding is wrong though.

You added a paranthetical note saying which classroom the guys in Kyon's class moved into, but I took it out again. The two classes are described pretty clearly earlier in the paragraph and Kyon's class is identified explicitly. I think it can be left to the reader to know what "the other room" would be.

One phrasing I did not change: Frankly, topics like what dreams people have or how amazing or cute someone's pet is are, in my book, some of the dullest topics in the world.

The "is are" construction in the middle of that sentance is really awkward, even if it is technically grammatical. The original transation is quite similar to what you put, and another editor had changed it to try to avoid the "is are". Since I really don't understand the purpose of the sentance in context I've left it for now. See [[Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume1 Chapter1#Frankly.2C_topics_like_what_dreams_people_have.2C_or_how_amazing_or_cute_someone.27s_pet_is_are.2C_in_my_book.2C_are_some_of_the_dullest_topics_in_the_world.|the talk page]].

You made a quotation out of "Taniguchi, you look like a total moron with that expression of yours!" which was previously an internal dialog. I've reverted that as per [[Format guideline#Dialogue_and_Narration_Syntax_Section|the format guidlines]].

Anyway, there were lots of other changes you made that were good, so I hope you won't be upest that I've undone a few of them. Welcome to the project!

--[[User:BlckKnght|BlckKnght]] 13:23, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

No problem. I'm no book editor. ;) I was reading the first chapter and thought a few things seemed out of place and could use a bit of touch-up. And of course with Wiki, if you don't want your work to be edited, don't edit.

Thanks for your post though it's always kind of someone to say why they did things and not flame you for trying to help.

== Re: Took out the ( and ) as to the guidelines. But used italics to represent some of K's dialog. It needs to stand out somehow... ==

In my opinion, they don't need to stand out, since they didn't stand out in the original. You can tell in the context whether he says them out loud or not... especially when others respond. But that's just my opinion...

--[[User:GDsMDDLFNGR|GDsMDDLFNGR]] 11:25, 31 May 2006 (PDT)

There are a few times where I was reading and the context of what he was saying didn't make sense till I realized that instead he was thinking the words internally.

Even if they didn't stand out in the Japanese there is no reason they shouldn't stand out in the English version. of course that's just my ¥2. ^_^ ~Sage

I think the fact that they are not distinguished in the Japanese (original) version is the biggest reason the same should be done for the English (translated) one. Think of it as respecting the author's style. Anyway, there's a little discussion about this [http://www.baka-tsuki.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28 here]. ( ﾟωﾟ)

In the anime, at least, they make a clear vocal distinction between him talking and him thinking. As I said earlier I found it hard to tell who was talking and about what at times when he had a lot of inner monologue going on. When I highlighted then passages everything clearly fell in to place. Mind you this is just how I think. I won't change any more of his internal monologue so don't worry. Though, I can't imagine that if the book came out in the US, after landing on the desk of a professional editor, that his internal monologue would remain unhighlighted in any way. ~Sage

User talk:Sage

2006-06-01T06:42:06Z

Sage:

Hi Sage,

I just made a few monster edits to [[Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume1 Chapter1]] which included reverting several of the changes you had made in your recent edits.

You made two separate edits to change "introduction was" to "intruductions were". I changed it back, as I think Kyon is referring to Haruhi's introduction, not all the introductions by the class. Perhaps my understanding is wrong though.

You added a paranthetical note saying which classroom the guys in Kyon's class moved into, but I took it out again. The two classes are described pretty clearly earlier in the paragraph and Kyon's class is identified explicitly. I think it can be left to the reader to know what "the other room" would be.

One phrasing I did not change: Frankly, topics like what dreams people have or how amazing or cute someone's pet is are, in my book, some of the dullest topics in the world.

The "is are" construction in the middle of that sentance is really awkward, even if it is technically grammatical. The original transation is quite similar to what you put, and another editor had changed it to try to avoid the "is are". Since I really don't understand the purpose of the sentance in context I've left it for now. See [[Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume1 Chapter1#Frankly.2C_topics_like_what_dreams_people_have.2C_or_how_amazing_or_cute_someone.27s_pet_is_are.2C_in_my_book.2C_are_some_of_the_dullest_topics_in_the_world.|the talk page]].

You made a quotation out of "Taniguchi, you look like a total moron with that expression of yours!" which was previously an internal dialog. I've reverted that as per [[Format guideline#Dialogue_and_Narration_Syntax_Section|the format guidlines]].

Anyway, there were lots of other changes you made that were good, so I hope you won't be upest that I've undone a few of them. Welcome to the project!

--[[User:BlckKnght|BlckKnght]] 13:23, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

No problem. I'm no book editor. ;) I was reading the first chapter and thought a few things seemed out of place and could use a bit of touch-up. And of course with Wiki, if you don't want your work to be edited, don't edit.

Thanks for your post though it's always kind of someone to say why they did things and not flame you for trying to help.

== Re: Took out the ( and ) as to the guidelines. But used italics to represent some of K's dialog. It needs to stand out somehow... ==

In my opinion, they don't need to stand out, since they didn't stand out in the original. You can tell in the context whether he says them out loud or not... especially when others respond. But that's just my opinion...

--[[User:GDsMDDLFNGR|GDsMDDLFNGR]] 11:25, 31 May 2006 (PDT)

There are a few times where I was reading and the context of what he was saying didn't make sense till I realized that instead he was thinking the words internally.

Even if they didn't stand out in the Japanese there is no reason they shouldn't stand out in the English version. of course that's just my ¥2. ^_^

User talk:Bicube

2006-05-31T09:22:04Z

Sage:

Hi Bicube,

I'm curious why you are adding a space after each dash (—) in [[Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume1 Chapter1|Chapter 1]]. There are two generally accepted styles for using dashes: The American style is to have no spaces on either side of the dash (and to use an "em" dash). European style is to put spaces on both sides of the dash (and sometimes use a shorter "en" dash: –). Since we're generally using American spellings in this project, I think the American style of punctuation is appropriate as well.

Was there any specific reason you were putting in the spaces?

--[[User:BlckKnght|BlckKnght]] 23:03, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

I'm all for American spellings and formats. But if I had my humble way, I'd put spaces before and after the dash. For readability, I think it looks a lot better. Also, I'd use the small dashes.

An example for how I like to use dashes. This is not taken from the manga by the way and is no way either proper English or a spoiler. It's just an example :D

"Haruhi turned and left the room - never to be seen again - or so we thought."

User talk:Sage

2006-05-30T22:58:26Z

Sage: