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Talk:Umineko Volume 1: Tips

2008-03-22T15:50:24Z

Theacefrehley:

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Some sentences are very long, so I broke them up so the page won't have a horizontal scroll bar. The person inserting the text should make sure there are no unnecessary breaks.--[[User:Tobiast88|Tobiast88]] 09:00, 12 March 2008 (PDT)

==X The servant VS Servant X==
I'm actually wondering whichever of the 2 form (for example: ''Servant Genji'', or ''Genji, the servant'') is the best way.
In my opinion, I feel that "''Servant X''" flows better as the status (very important in the context) has some emphasis as the first word. This has a stark contrast with the family members who all have "''Ushiromiya''" as a starter, while the rest are either "''Servant''" or "''Physician''". This format gives some "social status" difference in a subtle way.

The other point is also the fact that "'''''the''' servant''" behind has a weird effect (well on me in fact), as reading the name means almost like reading "there is only one servant", so reading several time differences servants descriptions leaves a strange feeling behind that.

I guess it is a matter of preference, but I believe "''Servant X''" form flows better than "''X, the servant''". What do you think, everyone? [[User:Klashikari|Klashikari]] 09:51, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

Actually, hearing that, I'd have to agree. I'll change it if you want.--[[User:Tobiast88|Tobiast88]] 08:27, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

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Hello, Ace here

Forgive me my poor english but I liked how you guys corrected my mess.

But I'd like to suggest a little modification on this line

黄金郷を目指す者よ、これを下りて鍵を探せ。
You who seek the Golden Land, follow its path and seek the key.

I changed it to: You who seek the Golden Land, follow down its path and seek the key.

I don't know if 'follow down' sounds natural in english

However, after reading some theories around the internet, I REALLY think we should include the 'down' idea contained in the kanji 下 of'下りて'

What do you think?

I already changed it, but you ca always change it back.

Hmm. I'd like to hear the theories, because it's a bit awkward in english... It's true that 下りて gave me a headache, because to "go down" a river is just not classy, but "follow" doesn't convey the exact same meaning. "Follow down" is a bit awkward, so hearing the theories might help me formulate something else. And if anyone else has a proposition, please post it!--[[User:Tobiast88|Tobiast88]] 05:56, 22 March 2008 (PDT)

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Ace here

The theory was posted back when ep.1 came out. At the time I didn't gave much attention, but after reading ep.2 I seriously had to consider it.

The theory is simple
River = family
下りて = go (down) towards the younger branches of the family (Rosa's family)
その里にて二人が口にし岸を探れ= the two people here would be, guess who, Rosa and Maria.

I read that too. I opted for "follow downstream", hope that fits. And just out of curiosity, what's your mother tongue? Your english is very good, and you certainly translate faster than me ^^;--[[User:Tobiast88|Tobiast88]] 05:56, 22 March 2008 (PDT)

Ace: Well. that sounds nice for me.
For the poem/riddle, I think we should stick to the literality as much as possible, since the solution might be there, in the nuances of the kanjis, even though I feel that little by little, the upcoming episodes will kind of blow away some of our attempts.

My mother tongue is Portuguese (Brazilian portuguese). And I don't think my english is good at all :(
Since I learned both english and japanese by myself through free on-line lessons heiauhei (god bless teacher google)

Talk:Umineko Volume 1: Tips

2008-03-22T10:02:03Z

Theacefrehley: theory

==Lines Break==
Some sentences are very long, so I broke them up so the page won't have a horizontal scroll bar. The person inserting the text should make sure there are no unnecessary breaks.--[[User:Tobiast88|Tobiast88]] 09:00, 12 March 2008 (PDT)

==X The servant VS Servant X==
I'm actually wondering whichever of the 2 form (for example: ''Servant Genji'', or ''Genji, the servant'') is the best way.
In my opinion, I feel that "''Servant X''" flows better as the status (very important in the context) has some emphasis as the first word. This has a stark contrast with the family members who all have "''Ushiromiya''" as a starter, while the rest are either "''Servant''" or "''Physician''". This format gives some "social status" difference in a subtle way.

The other point is also the fact that "'''''the''' servant''" behind has a weird effect (well on me in fact), as reading the name means almost like reading "there is only one servant", so reading several time differences servants descriptions leaves a strange feeling behind that.

I guess it is a matter of preference, but I believe "''Servant X''" form flows better than "''X, the servant''". What do you think, everyone? [[User:Klashikari|Klashikari]] 09:51, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

Actually, hearing that, I'd have to agree. I'll change it if you want.--[[User:Tobiast88|Tobiast88]] 08:27, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

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Hello, Ace here

Forgive me my poor english but I liked how you guys corrected my mess.

But I'd like to suggest a little modification on this line

黄金郷を目指す者よ、これを下りて鍵を探せ。
You who seek the Golden Land, follow its path and seek the key.

I changed it to: You who seek the Golden Land, follow down its path and seek the key.

I don't know if 'follow down' sounds natural in english

However, after reading some theories around the internet, I REALLY think we should include the 'down' idea contained in the kanji 下 of'下りて'

What do you think?

I already changed it, but you ca always change it back.

Hmm. I'd like to hear the theories, because it's a bit awkward in english... It's true that 下りて gave me a headache, because to "go down" a river is just not classy, but "follow" doesn't convey the exact same meaning. "Follow down" is a bit awkward, so hearing the theories might help me formulate something else. And if anyone else has a proposition, please post it!

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Ace here

The theory was posted back when ep.1 came out. At the time I didn't gave much attention, but after reading ep.2 I seriously had to consider it.

The theory is simple
River = family
下りて = go (down) towards the younger branches of the family (Rosa's family)
その里にて二人が口にし岸を探れ= the two people here would be, guess who, Rosa and Maria.

Talk:Umineko Volume 1: Tips

2008-03-20T12:15:07Z

Theacefrehley: suggestion

Talk:Umineko no Naku Koro ni

2008-03-11T10:58:51Z

Theacefrehley: Translators

Hey, chendo here from mirror moon. It sounds you guys need an insertion tool more than an ONScripter programmer (since it's an emulator, hence should work fine as a drop in replacement). And judging by how the scripts are, you guys didn't think about insertion (like we did with Tsukihime >_>).

Fortunately, I think the inserter I made for Tsukihime will work with your scripts, assuming that's what you're looking for. Contact me on #mirrormoon on irc.irchighway.net
:To be quite honest, I'm completely clueless about that matter, and I have hard time to see the difference among ONscripter encoding or insertion XD. Your help is very welcome, I just hope Sterling01 will notice this (that said, good call to have posted on the forum of Baka tsuki). If anything, I will try to catch you up in the MM irc channel. Thanks again :) [[User:Klashikari|Klashikari]] 10:07, 9 February 2008 (PST)

Hi, Mion of Sonozaki Futago-tachi here.

Insertion tool? Sounds useful, though for our Higurashi stuff Shion & I are just doing the translation/editing within the script itself, and leaving the original Japanese (commented out). Just though I'd say, I did turn down the text insertion job when Sterling01 contacted me, since there seemed to be coding problems in Umineko (as in things that made Onscripter unhappy.) I still don't think that text insertion is the best use of my time, but I'd be happy to help sort out the coding bugs and see where Onscripter might need to be updated to handle new Nscripter features. (As in, I'm fine with being the Onscripter coder, literally.) Higurashi is still my first priority, though.
--[[User:206.53.26.161|206.53.26.161]] 21:33, 9 February 2008 (PST)

== Enerccio desu~ ==

So here all of you ended. Hmm, sorry, for the website (www.rokkenjima.com), it's down because misuzu hosting is down too (look at visualnews main page).

For the onscripter thing, there will be need to do hard editing of the onscripter source code, since a lot of function that are used in the umineko 1 (and even more in umineko 2) - image rotating, eyecatchers, watch etc... are only parts of nscripter engine, not onscripter too.

So it would either need to:
a) remove those functions - ie editing the game and removing them, which is definitely not a good way
b) make all functions with image editing - another not a good way to do, since that would require a lot of images and patch will be large
c) edit source code of onscripter to add those functions - a way to go, but that would require someone with high knowledge of sdl and c++
d) hack ncripter to show english text - another way to go but that will require good hacker.

I still have finished edited video for umineko (the one in my youtube account, so if you want it, I can upload it somewhere, if you don't already have it)

Anyway good luck with the rest of series, I am very busy at the moment, so therefore I can't help much anymore. --[[User:Enerccio|Enerccio]] 12:15, 4 March 2008 (PST)

== Onscripter updates ==

Ah, but I have edited onscripter to handle some of the new Nscripter image commands; it will show the running clocks now. The fixed code is in Haeleth's onscripter trunk. In the future I'll be looking into emulating the other image effects (currently provided via dlls.) --[[User:Sonozaki Futagotachi|Sonozaki Futagotachi]] 01:10, 6 March 2008 (PST)

Then it's okay. Still nscripter is upgrading monthly and onscripter is mostly stagnating. For that sound bug, it's actually easy to fix, you just have to replace the value of seplay, seplay2 and dwavestop to good range, since now its off range.
Also, intro movie won't play, since its 48000Hz instead of 44100. And don't forget about history mode, which needs to be edited. --[[User:Enerccio|Enerccio]] 03:48, 6 March 2008 (PST)

==> Theacefrehley Here
I saw there was many translators at the front page.
To avoid trouble, right now I'm doing chapter 4, episode 2.
If anyone is translating anything (that is, doing an untranslated chapter, and not correcting the one already done) Please, let me know, somehow (posting here for example)