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User talk:31esser

2012-11-08T17:34:18Z

Zero2001: /* Signature */

==Accel World==
Hmm, Eternal Dreamer said he really want to translate volume 5 later so I left it to him. You will have to discuss it with him about it if you want to take over. [[User:Xplorer30|Xplorer30]] - [[User_talk:Xplorer30|Talk]] 15:26, 7 November 2012 (CST)

== Signature ==

It seems there is a problem with your signature. The links to your user page and user talk page are missing. Can you fix it? Or do you need help with it? If fixed, it would be much easier for us to access them and thus communicate with you. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 11:33, 8 November 2012 (CST)

User talk:31esser

2012-11-08T17:33:08Z

Zero2001: /* Signature */ new section

==Accel World==
Hmm, Eternal Dreamer said he really want to translate volume 5 later so I left it to him. You will have to discuss it with him about it if you want to take over. [[User:Xplorer30|Xplorer30]] - [[User_talk:Xplorer30|Talk]] 15:26, 7 November 2012 (CST)

== Signature ==

It seems there is a problem with your signature. The links to your user page and user talk page are missing. Could you fix that? That way, it would be much easier for us to access them and thus communicate with you. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 11:33, 8 November 2012 (CST)

Talk:Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai

2012-11-08T15:27:23Z

Zero2001: /* formatting */

== Thanks ==
Thank you very much for your translations. But it is a pity that the volume 1 isn't translated, it feels a bit awkward for me to read from volume 2. Is there somewhere at least a summary of V1?--[[User:KaprJarda|KaprJarda]] ([[User talk:KaprJarda|talk]]) 12:17, 15 October 2012 (CDT)

:You can read the manga, it does a pretty good job of compressing the events of volume 1.--[[User:Hayashi s|Hayashi s]] ([[User talk:Hayashi s|talk]]) 12:27, 15 October 2012 (CDT)

::But I still want to read vol 1. The LN always has more detail than the manga or anime. Important points too. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 18:08, 15 October 2012 (CDT)

:::I agree, although I just read vol 2, I still would love to read vol 1. Oh well, I will wait (im)patiently until it gets translated. Thanks for the translations that have been done. [[User:Bilagaana|Bilagaana]] ([[User talk:Bilagaana|talk]]) 03:28, 22 October 2012 (CDT)

==Re: Editors==

Dear prospective editor. Thank you for your interest in Unbreakable Machine Doll. Before you click on my talk page to ask whether you can be listed as an editor, consider this: I don't fucking need one. I can assure you I shoot grammatical errors on sight. What I do need however, is a dedicated editor.

What's that, you ask? A dedicated editor's job is to go through the English text for inconsistencies with the original raw JP text, and if you can perform at that level, why the fuck are you here? Go apply to be a translator, God knows we need a few more.

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Excuse me Hayashi_s, but I don't think what you are doing is right. This is a wiki. You can't just throw everyone out. Posting stuff here means you have to understand that it's going to be edited. We've worked fine until now. But you've just used Teh Ping's changes to just shut all of us dedicated editors out completely. Not to mention you used such abusive language. Did something happen? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 23:39, 4 November 2012 (CST)

:The original purpose of editors was to help those whose command of the English language was weaker than the language than they were translating from. However when an editor's grasp of the English language is inferior to the translator's own, then having an editor becomes redundant. --[[User:Hayashi s|Hayashi s]] ([[User talk:Hayashi s|talk]]) 23:46, 4 November 2012 (CST)

::That still doesn't mean you remove us like that. Is this because of the bobble SFX thing. I only asked to confirm it you know. After understanding I stopped asking you to change it. I even went so far as to give a link to a funny video so that you would laugh and it would lighten the mood. I had absolutely no ill-intent. What is this? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 23:52, 4 November 2012 (CST)

::Throwing us out like this is like not acknowledging the help we have given so far. It's wrong of you to do so. And I hardly think our English skills are so bad that you need to consider us inferior. Even if you think you're so good there will be times when you make mistakes. Shutting us out like that is wrong of you. I humbly ask that you reconsider this action. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 23:57, 4 November 2012 (CST)

::Furthermore you're not the only translator that's contributed. Stellarroze has too and we've edited her work as well. If you remove our names it's just like taking a translator's work and publishing it as their own. It's seriously wrong. I beg of you. Please reconsider. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 00:32, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:::G'morning Zero. Please don't drag my name into this...especially as I've done nothing compared to hayashi. He's also the project supervisor, so he has the final say so. I think the problem is the fact that the amount of formatting changes you do, outweights the actual editing...Maybe...(well that's what I've noticed) [[User:Stellarroze|Stellarroze]] 00:55, 5 November 2012 (CST)

Note: The following comment was posted after Hayashi_s removed his translations

Hey that's got nothing to do with it. I just couldn't find anything grammatically wrong after the first few chapters. He was just that good. Furthermore, he helped teach me a lot. But that is that and this is this. Just because he's the project supervisor doesn't mean he has control over everything and he can shut everyone out. He was being totally possessive and I just told him that what he was doing was wrong. This is a group effort not a one man show. I don't know what got into him it's like he's a totally different person from the hayashi_s I know. And if he wants to just up and remove everything then that's his choice. I did nothing, NOTHING wrong. If you want any proof then see the message he first gave above I for one haven't ever seen him swear at anyone like that before. Something must have happened that we don't know. Something that's affecting him. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 01:56, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:Zero, it is definitely true, that BT is group effort not a one man show, the problem is, that it doesn't apply to one project, on which almost all the work does one person. And to boost it if the one person is at the same time supervisor and the only translator (and good one at that) he definitely has the right to say what to do and what not.
:I think that speaking about possessiveness is completely irrelevant, since he definitely possesses all the rights to this translation (except of the one of the original author).
:The editors are there to help the translator with misspellings and if the translator isn't good in english than correct their other mistakes, not to change style of text and similar things (definitely not if the translator doesn't wish so). And one last thing. If editor leaves, there are always many others to replace him. Even if they weren't, in the case the translator is at least averagely good in english, it won´t change the quality of his work so much. If translator leaves all the editors can do whatever they want but they will NEVER be able to compensate for him.--[[User:KaprJarda|KaprJarda]] ([[User talk:KaprJarda|talk]]) 08:32, 6 November 2012 (CST)

:By the way I don´t have anything against you personally and in the first place I don´t know every detail about what happened so I am not speaking about the incident. I am just replying to your comments. (well I definitely get the gist of what happened)--[[User:KaprJarda|KaprJarda]] ([[User talk:KaprJarda|talk]]) 08:43, 6 November 2012 (CST)

==Deletion==
Uhm, why were all those chapters of vol 2 deleted? Somehow I would say it looks a little like vandalism, if I wouldnt know that Hayashi was also the translator... --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] ([[User talk:Darklor|talk]]) 01:33, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:Sad ending. --[[User:Chancs|Chancs]] ([[User talk:Chancs|talk]]) 01:36, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::so [[User:Hayashi s|Hayashi s]] decided to leave and deleted all of his translation~ --[[User:Woyo|Woyo]] ([[User talk:Woyo|talk]]) 01:45, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:::Oh god, did Zero2001 kill yet another series...? *facepalm* [[User:Betacyanin|Betacyanin]] ([[User talk:Betacyanin|talk]]) 01:47, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::::Hey I didn't say anything wrong. Period. If he wants to act that way then let him. I don't know what his problem is. As far as I know we've had no problems at all. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 01:48, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::::And I've never killed a series before so could you please not smear my name unfairly. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 02:09, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::::Yeah I know. Something seems wrong. It's like Hayashi_s became a completely different person in the past few days. I hope he's okay. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 02:10, 5 November 2012 (CST)

Uhm, that deletion is something I cant understand... Baka-tsuki is a wiki so it is supposed that text will be edited. Usually we even encourage editing. He could have asked for a page protection to prevent unwanted edits like it was done for the first chapters of [[Toaru Majutsu no Index]] --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] ([[User talk:Darklor|talk]]) 02:08, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:Eh Darklor, does that mean if a translator no longer wishes for his translations to be on BT (true in this case), he can't delete it? [[User:Florza|Florza]] ([[User talk:Florza|talk]]) 02:22, 5 November 2012 (CST)

Welcome to the rage against Zero2001 campaign everyone... >_< [[User:Stellarroze|Stellarroze]] 02:27, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:Even you, Stella? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 02:30, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:Just what is going on? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 02:30, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::Don't worry Zero. It's just that everybody now has got a chance to pull your leg :P --[[User:Chancs|Chancs]] ([[User talk:Chancs|talk]]) 02:33, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:::Zero, I have nothing against you personally. I was just making a statement about the current situation. [[User:Stellarroze|Stellarroze]] 02:39, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::::Don't worry Zero you just killed a potential Translator. You lit the powder-keg more to follow. --[[User:Lllllllllllllllll|Lllllllllllllllll]] ([[User_talk:Lllllllllllllllll|Talk]])‎ 02:40, 5 November 2012‎ (CST)

Is see it like that: He could have asked Oni for the deletion. If the deletion was done by Oni I wouldn't have said or done anything, but with a deletion out of the blue one could assume that there is a hacked account who likes to disrupt the order of the wiki. --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] ([[User talk:Darklor|talk]]) 02:48, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:Sadly, that is mostly my fault. I wanted to keep this under wraps. Yes, I know Oni could have done it (after a little while), but the possible questions afterwards are more than the simple matters of the few people worrying currently. This might be more messy upfront, but it is cleaner in the long run. The account was not hacked, and the deletions were vetted. I did verify he wanted to do so prior to him doing such. This certainly isn't a normal occurrence, but it was a controlled one. [[User:Hobogunner|Hobogunner]] ([[User talk:Hobogunner|talk]]) 03:05, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::So you're saying this was something planned in advance and not something spur-of-the-moment? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 03:07, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::This Lllllllllllllllll guy is seriously annoying. It was his unauthorized removal of my name from the editor list that started this mess in the first place. And that was his '''very first edit'''. [[Special:Contributions/Lllllllllllllllll|Check his contributions and see for yourself.]] All his edits are just centered around me and this mess. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 03:08, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:::It was both. This is one of those times you drop your losses and move on. Please, let this simply be, I do not wish to discuss this further. That user problem is a matter not for this talk page. Please do not discuss it here. [[User:Hobogunner|Hobogunner]] ([[User talk:Hobogunner|talk]]) 03:13, 5 November 2012 (CST)

So, I have to go through someone who is hardly ever around before being able to remove my own translations... I will have to seriously think about whether I should continue to put my translations on Baka-Tsuki. I believe I should make it very clear now in case people suspect my account of ever being hacked. [[User:Florza|Florza]] ([[User talk:Florza|talk]]) 03:18, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:There is also the big boss himself - and he usually reacts in short time when contacted --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] ([[User talk:Darklor|talk]]) 03:42, 5 November 2012 (CST)

What's going on here? why vol 2 deleted? --[[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]] ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 08:08, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:Actually its more like this guy called zero2001 whose annoying. Guy can't take a hint who denser than a politician. Guy who caused this problem and thinks hes innocence. -- [[User:Lllllllllllllllll|Lllllllllllllllll]] ([[User_talk:Lllllllllllllllll|Talk]])‎ 09:04, 5 November 2012‎ (CST)

::Lllllllllllllllll: I'm now officially warning you. The only edits you've ever made are to smear my name. And it's getting annoying. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 20:36, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::LiTTleDRAgo: I'm not sure. It started with Lllllllllllllllll here removing my name from the editor's list '''without any kind of permission''' and then when I put it back. Hayashi_s just suddenly up and tried to block out all the editors while using abusive language and when I told him what he was doing was wrong he just up and disappeared taking all his work. But it's only for the ones he worked on. The other languages shouldn't be affected unless he worked on them directly. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 20:36, 5 November 2012 (CST)

Deletion of the project was the last resort. I didn't want to do it, but unfortunately it was the only solution that would leave everyone moderately happy.

After I formally took over the supervisor role for UMD, the first thing I did was to re-evaluate the list of active staff on the project. After sorting out the translators into their respective categories, I moved on to the editors. Editors are a tricky subject. According to the BT guidelines, "Editors are people who proofread the translated text and correct spelling and grammar errors. Editors are also generally native speakers of the target language and are expected to be knowledgeable of said spelling and grammar." The problem now was that I didn't need someone like that. As a native speaker, my command of the English language was (and still is) sufficient such that I could translate fluently from Japanese to English without significant error. Therefore, it was obvious to me I wouldn't need an editor in the BT sense.

What I did need was someone who was also fluent in Japanese, to point out any mistranslations that might have inadvertently occurred. But then BT was already facing a shortage of translators. It wouldn't be right to deprive BT of a potential translator just to satisfy my high standards. Hence, the post regarding editors.

Consulting all the past edits on UMD, I found there were no significant contributions from any of the editors that corrected any glaring errors on the wiki. So, I purged the editor section. However, after doing so, it was brought to my attention that doing so without warning was high-handed and unfair, since there were other translators on the project and editors did edit their work.

Therefore, I had 2 options:
:1.) Delete all other translator's work, so that I'd be the sole contributor and therefore be able to remove the editor list.

::Obviously, this was stupid. The aim of BT is to encourage anyone and everyone to contribute; deleting stuff would be disrespecting the effort put in by the other translators.

:2.) Remove my work, and step down from the project.

::My problem lay with the fact I didn't want an editor, while the editor didn't want to leave. So in order to avoid a messy debacle over something so trivial as a simple list and who's on it, I decided that he could keep his editing role, but since having an editor went against my wishes I would have to step down. Plus, I realized the two other editors had made significant contributions in areas not related to actual editing, but valuable nonetheless and removing them like that would be unfair to them as well. Hence, stepping down was the only choice left.

This way, I could retain control over my work without needless interference and the editor would still remain on that list. The only people left worse off are the people who follow UMD. To you, I say this: Just because UMD might never appear on BT again doesn't mean it'll be lost forever. BT is not the only place to find LNs, it is merely the biggest. Someday the deliciously tsundere Charlotte and the lethally yandere Yaya may yet appear in some corner of the internet. Thank you for all your support while I was active on UMD.

--[[User:Hayashi s|Hayashi s]] ([[User talk:Hayashi s|talk]]) 10:05, 6 November 2012 (CST)

:I understand your decision, it's unfortunately that things turn out like this but I respect your decision. Thanks for translating UMD, hope to see your translation in another place soon --[[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]] ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 10:27, 6 November 2012 (CST)

::Actually, If you don't want people to edit your work, you could ask for it to be protected. As for the past contributions of editors, I think you could list them as inactive, I believe that should shove the problem, they still have credit for the past contributions but they wil not edit your work anymore. I hope that you could continue translating but either ways i respect your decision . --[[Special:Contributions/113.190.233.9|113.190.233.9]] ([[User_talk:113.190.233.9|Talk]])‎ 00:56, 7 November 2012‎

== So ==

Will be translation placed back? Or we lost UMD forever here?
[[User:Gamer|Gamer]] ([[User talk:Gamer|talk]]) 03:36, 5 November 2012 (CST)
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:If the deletion by Hayashi was legit, than probably not - only when a new translator can be found who would re-translate the chapters it would be possible to get a translation back... --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] ([[User talk:Darklor|talk]]) 03:46, 5 November 2012 (CST)
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::Can we discuss about this with him again? I mean, the reason for the deletion is kinda... negotiable I guess. I believe it would be better if the translation were put back with some restriction/rules from Hayashi. [[User:Arczyx|Arczyx]] ([[User talk:Arczyx|talk]]) 09:51, 5 November 2012 (CST)
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:::He's thinking about where he should put it. If it's ever back here it'd probably be as a Hosted Project. If anything sealed the deal it was probably the ban. [[User:Florza|Florza]] ([[User talk:Florza|talk]]) 20:40, 5 November 2012 (CST)
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::::No, some idiot tried to re-upload UMD whilst pretending to be me. Go thank him, he's the reason you'll never see UMD on BT ever again.--[[User:Hayashi s|Hayashi s]] ([[User talk:Hayashi s|talk]]) 21:08, 5 November 2012 (CST)

Well, this escalated quickly... I only have to say:

1.Thanks Hayashi for your translations 'til now, sad it finished this way, but I enjoyed it, if you ever think about coming back, I'm sure you will be welcomed, if you don't, well, it's your option, I hope you good anyways.

2.Zero2001, I'm sure you didn't want this, I won't blame you, but I can't deny (I hope you also don't) you took the big part on this. Don't let your pride win, you should apologize at least.

3.I saw this coming with the previous edits, but I'm not an English speaker (maybe all you already saw it in my text xD), so I wasn't sure about putting my comments before this storm began.
[[User:Pold10|Pold10]] ([[User talk:Pold10|talk]]) 22:24, 5 November 2012 (CST)

->Well, this escalated quickly...

:I agree on that one... [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 22:29, 5 November 2012 (CST)
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::I've apologized just now. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 22:38, 5 November 2012 (CST)
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:::Why are you apologizing? What exactly did you do to warrant an apology? [[User:Stellarroze|Stellarroze]] 01:36, 6 November 2012 (CST)
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::::Nothing major as far as I know (it's not like I used any insults) but if it ends this... I'm being bashed on all sides on my talk page with few people taking my side. I'm tired. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 02:07, 6 November 2012 (CST)

And Florza is editing here. *rolls down laughing* That was completely unexpected. --[[User:Chancs|Chancs]] ([[User talk:Chancs|talk]]) 02:42, 6 November 2012 (CST)

:I honestly have no idea why anyone is "mad" at Zero. I think the dude is a bit of an annoyance myself, but people like hayashi shouldn't even come here in the first place. He's a textbook elitist and he has no justifiable reason to take down his translation in this case. It was done out of pure spite and that's pretty silly. Translators like this generally slow growth of the community and can't admit when they're wrong, which is bad for everyone. Don't give me the nine yards on how the translation belongs to you, because it doesn't until you get a license from the creator. Good riddance and I hope someone sets him straight eventually. - [[Special:Contributions/67.175.21.136|67.175.21.136]] ([[User_talk:67.175.21.136|Talk]])‎ 03:06, 6 November 2012 (CST)
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::http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Baka-Tsuki:Copyrights - [[User:YoakeNoHikari|YoakeNoHikari]] ([[User talk:YoakeNoHikari|talk]]) 03:10, 6 November 2012 (CST)
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:::^^ to help, Section C. --[[User:Chancs|Chancs]] ([[User talk:Chancs|talk]]) 03:15, 6 November 2012 (CST)
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::::Thank you for your irrelevant opinion. When I actually find it in me to care about sanctimonious anonymous users like yourself who like to offer their take without understanding the whole story, I'll write you a proper rebuttal. Till then, happy judging! Just remember, when you point fingers, 3 of them point back at you. Unless you point with all 4 fingers, in which case you're a retard, and there's no saving you.--[[User:Hayashi s|Hayashi s]] ([[User talk:Hayashi s|talk]]) 03:18, 6 November 2012 (CST)

It's kind of funny that Zero2001 doesn't understand what he did wrong (hint: Read what you wrote at Re: Editors). Hope you're happy with being credited as an editor on a now dead project. This isn't the first time you've gotten into an edit war with project admins/supervisors/translators and likely won't be the last. - [[Special:Contributions/173.248.193.22|173.248.193.22]] ([[User_talk:173.248.193.22|Talk]]) 16:43, 6 November 2012‎ (CST)

:It has been so long since SAO vol 9 incident, now that incident is repeated in UMD vol 2.
:I have reading all the comment from here and zero's talk page, I want to say something about this (sorry if my engrish is bad, it's not my mother's language)
Because professionals don't allow their personal grievances to interfere their work.
:I'm agree with you, but at the same time I didn't agree with your action, why? Because with deleting your work (UMD vol 2) is basically you're exploding your anger with zero 'to every UMD reader'
:Just because one person pisses you off every UMD fan will suffer. I'm saying this not because I sided with zero or anything because I also think that zero's action and refusal to admit his wrongness is unreasonable
:I'm not saying you don't have the right to delete vol 2, you're the translator and you have the right to do so, but I'm saying this in hope that you will reconsider about this. If this deletion is your final option, I won't say anything more about it. Thank you very much for translating vol 2, I enjoyed your translation 
No, some idiot tried to re-upload UMD whilst pretending to be me. Go thank him, he's the reason you'll never see UMD on BT ever again.--[[User:Hayashi s|Hayashi s]] ([[User talk:Hayashi s|talk]]) 21:08, 5 November 2012 (CST)
:Well I don't know who is that idiot, but I hope you can forgive him. --[[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]] ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 05:17, 6 November 2012 (CST)
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::Umm LiTTleDRAgo. The page is deleted now but the whole thing that seems to have set Hayashi_s off (the thing with the false/wrong moves), I had realized my mistake and made my realization of my mistake clear long before he suddenly went all possessive above. And no matter how you look at it his ejection of the editors in that manner... Well read the above Re: Editors topic and you'll understand. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 05:22, 6 November 2012 (CST)
::Well anyways, I've apologized for my part in this matter already. I hope he comes around. If not then we'll just have to make do. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 05:30, 6 November 2012 (CST)
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:::Zero-san, I'm not talking with you but with Hayashi, please don't interrupt if you don't have to. But if Hayashi is already went off then can't be helped --[[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]] ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 06:06, 6 November 2012 (CST)
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::::Ok ok. Sorry about that. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 06:57, 6 November 2012 (CST)

Hello ALL> I will be re-translating and continuing this series. Kudos to me :) - [[User:Paulywolly|Paulywolly]] - [[User_talk:Paulywolly|Talk]] - 04:21, 7 November 2012 (CST)

:Thanks for continuing this series paulywolly, I'm looking forward to see your translation (altough I can't offer any help right now because my school thesis) --[[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]] ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 23:06, 7 November 2012 (CST)

==formatting==
Hello.

I took the liberty to format one section of the discussion by using indents (starting a line with one or more ":") (and LiTTleDRAgo did the other since, thanks). 

As you'll note, it makes things much easier to read, so I encourage you to use them from now on.

[[User:Darkoneko|DarkoNeko]] [[User_Talk:Darkoneko|talk]] 00:20, 8 November 2012 (CST)

NB : of course, also been looking at the discussion at hand, but that will wait for a bit later.

:It's a good idea but... If I may make a suggestion. I think you should do it alternately. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 09:27, 8 November 2012 (CST)

Like this. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 09:27, 8 November 2012 (CST)

:Otherwise it will go too far to the right if left alone/unrestricted. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 09:27, 8 November 2012 (CST)

Talk:Tasogare-iro no Uta Tsukai

2012-11-08T05:03:18Z

Zero2001: /* about the story */

If someone want's to write a better synopsis, here's a source which might help. (spoilers ahead!)[http://cetranslation.blogspot.com/2011/11/review-tasogare-iro-no-uta-tsukai.html C.E.Translation's review] --[[User:Saganatsu|Saganatsu]] 03:46, 22 April 2012 (CDT)

Thanks for the info --[[User:Chancs|Chancs]] 03:54, 22 April 2012 (CDT)

Hey hey hey. Don't keep us hanging. What happens next? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 09:29, 18 October 2012 (CDT)

No progress. Did the translator quit? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 15:14, 4 November 2012 (CST)

No activity since June 22: probably.--[[User:Saganatsu|Saganatsu]] ([[User talk:Saganatsu|talk]]) 22:55, 4 November 2012 (CST)

== nav ==

i'm making some navs like this for the pages
{|class="wikitable"
|-
|[[Tasogare-iro no Uta Tsukai:Volume1 Illustrations|Back to Illustrations]]
|[[Tasogare-iro_no_Uta_Tsukai|Main page]]
|[[Tasogare-iro no Uta Tsukai:Volume1 1st Play|Forward to: 1st Play]]
|} if you say that they are needed i will gladly make it for the others as well (tough it's easy to make) ..::[[User:Gradient|Gradient]]::.. 09:57, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

You can go ahead and make them for all the chapters, they'd be great to have! I'm not very wiki-proficient, so all I can pretty much do is add text and thumbnails xD
Thanks for offering to do that! --[[User:Mystrael|Mystrael]] 13:21, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

ok will be doing it now ..::[[User:Gradient|Gradient]]::.. 13:43, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

I'd like to offer my services to make an upgraded navbar for this project. If there are no objections I'll get on it. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 09:29, 18 October 2012 (CDT)

Since there have been no objections I will implement it at once. You'll find the new nav system to be more user friendly with more features. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 22:34, 4 November 2012 (CST)

There we go. I'm sure everyone will like the new [[Template:Tasogare-iro no Uta Tsukai Nav|navbar]]. See link for access to the navbar for editing and for it's documentation. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 22:55, 4 November 2012 (CST)

== about the story ==

I must say, the story is quite good.... no, that's an understatement; it's really good, and I hope I can read more of it. I already read the <Hyouketsu Kyoukai> (till vol2, still waiting for the vol3), and I think the story is really related. Dunno about if it's the sequel or prequel (well, I only can read till the 3rd Play of vol1 for now)

So, good luck. Though right now it still a teaser, I'm sure the readers (including myself) are cheering you from their side. I really wish it'll be promoted and included into the main project list soon :) - [[User:RasteShelphyd|RasteShelphyd]] 17:40, 3 June 2012 (CDT)

In fact, the awesomeness of Hyouketsu Kyoukai is how I got motivated to start translating this series. Since it's quite painful for me to read either Japanese or Chinese fluently, I've only read as much as I've translated, so I know just as much as you do xD. But from what I've read about online, Tasogare-iro is the prequel of Hyouketsu Kyoukai's world.

Thanks for the support! Just gonna say, since the 4th play is quite long (~70pgs instead of ~40 like the others), don't expect it for a few weeks. Not to mention that I have to study for finals, which will slow translation speed down to nearly nothing until the end of June. --[[User:Mystrael|Mystrael]] 20:02, 3 June 2012 (CDT)

GAAHH!!!!this has been dead for too long >.< but still ,why do you think this is from the same world??and not think that this and Eden are both two stories from the same author...i mean yea there are similarities like shinkyouku (tasogare) and shinryoku (eden) but i cant see it...or did the author say/tweet/post about it somewhere nyaa?? -- [[User:Ways|Ways]] 10:38, 5 August (nyaa~timeline)

Just want to say; congratulation for being upgraded into full project~!! Can't wait to read the newest TLed chapter. ;) - [[User:RasteShelphyd|RasteShelphyd]] ([[User talk:RasteShelphyd|talk]]) 15:05, 19 August 2012 (CDT)

According to C.E.Translation, translating Eden, Tasogare is the same world, just in a much earlier in the timeline.
http://goo.gl/kAcmb - [[User:Jester0fLurking|Jester0fLurking]] 16:58, 20 August 2012 (CDT)

The cliffhanger is chipping my soul bit by bit... TT___TT - [[User:RasteShelphyd|RasteShelphyd]] ([[User talk:RasteShelphyd|talk]]) 13:21, 7 November 2012 (CST)

Yeah I know the feeling. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 23:03, 7 November 2012 (CST)

User talk:Paulywolly

2012-11-07T10:49:58Z

Zero2001: /* Editors Welcome */

Assuming you are 108.28.170.240, please read the registration rules before registering for chapters, and sound out in the forum or I might just ban you for vandalism. --[[User:Larethian|larethian]] ([[User talk:Larethian|talk]]) 08:36, 9 September 2012 (CDT)

== Sup man ==

Yo Paulywolly, what's up? And asides from that, i have a simple question (and i assumed this would be the best spot to ask you a question)

Ya'll need an editor for UMD? Cause i'm down for helping in any which way i can (as i LOVE the series).

Feel free to reply,
ZiGeNaToR

==Editors Welcome==

Thanks ZiGeNaToR! I am absolutely looking for any editors possible. Feel free to make changes as my Japanese and English are both 2nd and 3rd languages respectively. Go ahead and make an edit on the UMD page under the editors section.

Thanks again

[[User:paulywolly|paulywolly]]

Hello, paulywolly. I'm Zero2001 and I hope to be helping you with editing your translations. Although I have learned a lot. There is still much I might not know about the japanese language so I might be asking a few questions on the chapter talk pages whenever I'm confused. I hope that you won't mind. I look forward to working with you. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 17:59, 6 November 2012 (CST)

I noticed you removed my name from the editors. In that case may I ask your permission to join as an editor? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 18:02, 6 November 2012 (CST)

Go ahead. All translators welcome. [[User:paulywolly|paulywolly]] [[User_talk:paulywolly|Talk]] - 6 November 2012 (CST)

Thanks. And if you find any problems with my editing please don't keep it to yourself and tell me. I will do my best to adjust myself. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 04:46, 7 November 2012 (CST)

About your user page. No offence intended, but I'd like you to decide whether I was a troll or not after seeing how I work. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 04:49, 7 November 2012 (CST)

== Well thanks man ==

i hope to make ya proud with editing... as much as that seems to sound sarcastic. I plan to be there to help ya out whenever, as japanese is a 'second' language to me, as in, i'm learning it slowly. I'd offer to help translate, but my kanji is so damn weak that i'm not going to embarrass myself by trying to help.

On an unrelated note: If jap and eng are your 2nd and 3rd languages, respectively, what (pray tell) is your 1st? if you don't mind me asking

Looking forward to helping push out an awesome light novel series,
ZiGeNaToR 'Steven'

Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai

2012-11-07T10:47:34Z

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[[Image:KSwK Volume1 Cover.jpg|300px|thumb|Volume 1 cover]]
Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai(機巧少女は傷つかない), also known as Unbreakable Machine Doll is a light novel series written by Reiji Kaitou. The illustrations are done by Ruroo. Currently, the series has 8 volumes.

==Story Synopsis==

Raishin Akabane is attending the Royal Academy in Liverpool in order to become a ''Wiseman''. Accompanied by Yaya of the Moon, his cute companion who has the form of a lovely girl, he plans on opposing and taking revenge on the one he hates. That is, obviously, with the help of friends he manages to make at the Academy.

==Updates==
:* January 04, 2012: Page created (First teaser of 2012!!!)
:* May 18, 2012: Volume 1 Prologue
:* November 6th, 2012: Project Reboot

== Translation ==

===[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Registration_Page|Registration]]===

'''Translators are asked to [[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Registration_Page|register]] which chapters they're working on'''

===Format Standards===
'''Every chapter (after editing) must conform to the general format guidelines.'''
*[[Format_guideline|General Format/Style Guideline]]
*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Guidelines|Project Specific Terminology and Guidelines]]

=== [http://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5065 Feedback] ===

'''If you enjoyed the teaser, why don't you tell us in the [http://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5065 Feedback Thread]'''

==The 'Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai' series by Renji Kaitou==
===Volume 1 - Facing "Cannibal Candy"===

::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 1 Illustrations|Novel Illustrations]]
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 1 Prologue|Prologue]]
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 1 Chapter 1|Chapter 1: The Dragon Hunter]] - 64%
::*Chapter 2
::*Chapter 3
::*Chapter 4
::*Chapter 5
::*Chapter 6
::*Chapter 7
::*Epilogue
::*Afterword

===Volume 2 - Facing "Sword Angel"===
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 2 Illustrations|Novel Illustrations]]
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 2 Prologue|Prologue - The Assassin in White]] 1.5%
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 2 Chapter 1|Chapter 1 - The Eve of the Night Party]]
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 2 Chapter 2|Chapter 2 - A Glimpse of the Secret]]
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 2 Chapter 3|Chapter 3 - A Stupid Question]]
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 2 Chapter 4|Chapter 4 - Rescued Life]]　
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 2 Chapter 5|Chapter 5 - The Walpurgis Night]]
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 2 Chapter 6|Chapter 6 - The Fool's Choice]]
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 2 Chapter 7|Chapter 7 - The Devil Sword Dancing in the Palm of a Hand]]
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 2 Epilogue|Epilogue - The Killer Demon in White]]
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 2 Afterword|Afterword]]

===Volume 3 - Facing "Elf Speeder" ===
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 3 Illustrations|Novel Illustrations]]
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 3 Prologue|Prologue]]
::*Chapter 1
::*Chapter 2
::*Chapter 3
::*Chapter 4
::*Chapter 5
::*Chapter 6
::*Chapter 7
::*Epilogue
::*Afterword

===Volume 4 - Facing "Rosen Kavalier"===
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 4 Illustrations|Novel Illustrations]]
::*Prologue
::*Chapter 1
::*Chapter 2
::*Chapter 3
::*Chapter 4
::*Chapter 5
::*Chapter 6
::*Chapter 7
::*Epilogue
::*Afterword

===Volume 5 - Facing "King's Singer"===
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 5 Illustrations|Novel Illustrations]]
::*Prologue
::*Chapter 1
::*Chapter 2
::*Chapter 3
::*Chapter 4
::*Chapter 5
::*Chapter 6
::*Chapter 7
::*Epilogue
::*Afterword

===Volume 6 - Facing "Crimson Red"===
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 6 Illustrations|Novel Illustrations]]
::*Prologue
::*Chapter 1
::*Chapter 2
::*Chapter 3
::*Chapter 4
::*Chapter 5
::*Chapter 6
::*Chapter 7
::*Epilogue
::*Afterword

===Volume 7 - Facing "Genuin Legend"===
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 7 Illustrations|Novel Illustrations]]

===Volume 8 - Facing "Lady Justice"===
::*[[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai:Volume 8 Illustrations|Novel Illustrations]]

==Project Staff==

*Project Administrator:
*Project Supervisor:

===Translators===
'''ACTIVE'''
*[[User:paulywolly|paulywolly]]

'''INACTIVE'''
:*[[User:Kira0802|Kira0802]]

'''KIA'''
:*[[User:Stellarroze|stellarroze]]

===Editors===
* [[User:ZiGeNaToR|ZiGeNaToR]]
* [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]]

==Series Overview==

*機巧少女は傷つかない〈1〉 Facing "Cannibal Candy" (MF文庫J) [文庫] (November 21, 2009 ISBN 978-4840130851)
*機巧少女は傷つかない〈2〉 Facing "Sword Angel" (MF文庫J) [文庫] (March, 2010 ISBN 978-4840132459)
*機巧少女は傷つかない３　Facing "Elf Speeder" (MF文庫J) [文庫] (July 21, 2010 ISBN 978-4840134521)
*機巧少女は傷つかない(4) (MFコミックスアライブシリーズ) [コミック]
*機巧少女は傷つかない５　Facing "King's Singer" (MF文庫J) [文庫] (March 22, 2011 ISBN 978-4840138543)
*機巧少女は傷つかない６ Facing Crimson Red (MF文庫J) [文庫] (July 22, 2011 ISBN 978-4840139731)
*機巧少女は傷つかない 7 (MF文庫J) [文庫] (December 21, 2011 ISBN 978-4840143363)

==Project Status==

[[Category:MF Bunko J]]
[[Category:Teasers]]

User talk:Paulywolly

2012-11-07T10:46:55Z

Zero2001: /* Editors Welcome */

Assuming you are 108.28.170.240, please read the registration rules before registering for chapters, and sound out in the forum or I might just ban you for vandalism. --[[User:Larethian|larethian]] ([[User talk:Larethian|talk]]) 08:36, 9 September 2012 (CDT)

== Sup man ==

Yo Paulywolly, what's up? And asides from that, i have a simple question (and i assumed this would be the best spot to ask you a question)

Ya'll need an editor for UMD? Cause i'm down for helping in any which way i can (as i LOVE the series).

Feel free to reply,
ZiGeNaToR

==Editors Welcome==

Thanks ZiGeNaToR! I am absolutely looking for any editors possible. Feel free to make changes as my Japanese and English are both 2nd and 3rd languages respectively. Go ahead and make an edit on the UMD page under the editors section.

Thanks again

[[User:paulywolly|paulywolly]]

Hello, paulywolly. I'm Zero2001 and I hope to be helping you with editing your translations. Although I have learned a lot. There is still much I might not know about the japanese language so I might be asking a few questions on the chapter talk pages whenever I'm confused. I hope that you won't mind. I look forward to working with you. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 17:59, 6 November 2012 (CST)

I noticed you removed my name from the editors. In that case may I ask your permission to join as an editor? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 18:02, 6 November 2012 (CST)

Go ahead. All translators welcome. [[User:paulywolly|paulywolly]] [[User_talk:paulywolly|Talk]] - 6 November 2012 (CST)

Thanks. And if you find any problems with my editing please don't keep it to yourself and tell me. I will do my best to adjust myself. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 04:46, 7 November 2012 (CST)

== Well thanks man ==

i hope to make ya proud with editing... as much as that seems to sound sarcastic. I plan to be there to help ya out whenever, as japanese is a 'second' language to me, as in, i'm learning it slowly. I'd offer to help translate, but my kanji is so damn weak that i'm not going to embarrass myself by trying to help.

On an unrelated note: If jap and eng are your 2nd and 3rd languages, respectively, what (pray tell) is your 1st? if you don't mind me asking

Looking forward to helping push out an awesome light novel series,
ZiGeNaToR 'Steven'

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2012-11-07T00:03:56Z

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