Baka-Tsuki:Machine Translation Guidelines - Revision history

Cthaeh: added MTL forum link

2015-07-21T00:29:52Z

added MTL forum link

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	:* This also includes romaji translations and other kinds of work done by people who obviously depend on unreliable methods to produce a translation.		:* This also includes romaji translations and other kinds of work done by people who obviously depend on unreliable methods to produce a translation.

	'''2. Machine translations may not be added to the wiki without prior approval. Users wishing to add machine translations may do so in the appropriate forum ~~(link pending)~~.'''		'''2. Machine translations may not be added to the wiki without prior approval. Users wishing to add machine translations may do so in the appropriate [https://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=85 machine translation sandbox forum].'''

	:* All machine translations on the wiki will be tagged as such, but tagging the page does not exempt it from requiring approval.		:* All machine translations on the wiki will be tagged as such, but tagging the page does not exempt it from requiring approval.

Cthaeh: updated MTL and WN policies

2015-07-19T19:16:31Z

updated MTL and WN policies

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	This page describes Baka-Tsuki's default policy towards '''machine translations'''.		This page describes Baka-Tsuki's default policy towards '''machine translations'''.

	Please note that this policy is a <span style="color:red;">'''convention'''</span>~~—individual~~ translation projects may have stricter ~~or more relaxed~~ policies with regards to machine translations. Please check '''Project-Specific Guidelines''' to learn more about your project's stance on machine translations. All members should follow these guidelines by default.		Please note that this policy is a <span style="color:red;">'''convention'''</span>—in some cases, individual translation projects may have stricter policies with regards to machine translations. Please check '''Project-Specific Guidelines''' to learn more about your project's stance on machine translations. All members should follow these guidelines by default.

	==Definition of a Machine Translation==		==Definition of a Machine Translation==
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	:* This also includes romaji translations and other kinds of work done by people who obviously depend on unreliable methods to produce a translation.		:* This also includes romaji translations and other kinds of work done by people who obviously depend on unreliable methods to produce a translation.

	'''2. ~~A machine translation script must~~ be ~~worked on by two people who know Japanese, then checked/approved by a senior translator, in addition~~ to ~~having~~ the ~~consent of~~ the ~~project manager~~.'''		'''2. Machine translations may not be added to the wiki without prior approval. Users wishing to add machine translations may do so in the appropriate forum (link pending).'''

	* ~~The content~~ will be ~~checked based on~~ the ~~immediate language~~ it ~~was translated~~ from, and ~~translated into~~.		:* All machine translations on the wiki will be tagged as such, but tagging the page does not exempt it from requiring approval.
			:* At the moment, external links to MTL are not eligible for approval and therefore may not be added.

	e.~~g. Japanese -> Chinese -> English script~~.		'''3. In cases where machine translation has been thoroughly checked and revised by someone with a solid understanding of source language, it may be granted approval by administration to be added to the wiki.'''

	Japanese to English could be checked.		:* In addition to approval by administration, the project manager must also give consent.
			:* If a user thinks their text will meet approval, they should submit a request to the [[Help:Administration_Contact_Page\|administration contact page]] and give a link to the translated text in the forums. Administration will contact the user via the wiki talk page or private message in the forums.
			:* Administration will likely have the machine translation script checked/approved by a senior translator, and will ask the user questions before granting approval.
			:* The content will be checked based on the immediate language it was translated from, and translated into.
			:::e.g. Japanese -> Chinese -> English script.
			::::Japanese to English could be checked.
			::::Chinese to English could be checked.
			::::Japanese to Chinese will not be checked.

	~~Chinese~~ to ~~English could~~ be ~~checked~~.		:* There needs to be people who not only contribute to make the translation faithful, but also a respected translator who obviously knows his stuff to check if the work has been done right.
			:* Still, this is just the minimum acceptable. If a project manager thinks that the minimum acceptable is not good enough, he's free to forbid machine translation scripts.

	~~Japanese~~ to ~~Chinese~~ will ~~not~~ be ~~checked~~.		'''4. Chapters that fail to meet the requirements will be deleted permanently.'''

			:* This is non-negotiable. For the translators who would like to want their work back though, we may help you for that. But anyway, a machine translation script that doesn't meet the minimum required will be deleted.
			:* Existing machine translated chapters may or may not be removed on a case by case basis.

	* There needs to be people who not only contribute to make the translation faithful, but also a respected translator who obviously knows his stuff to check if the work has been done right.		'''5. Approved chapters will be tagged clearly as a machine translation script.'''
	* Still, this is just the minimum acceptable. If a project manager thinks that the minimum acceptable is not good enough, he'~~s free to forbid machine translation scripts~~.
	* For existing chapters ~~that have supposedly been TLCed, a senior translator~~ will be ~~sent to check it.~~
	* An accuracy of 85% to 95% is expected at the very least, depending on the difficulty of the novel in question.

	~~'''3~~. ~~Chapters~~ that ~~fail~~ to ~~meet~~ the ~~requirements will be deleted permanently~~.~~'''~~		:* No more confusion surrounding machine translation script. A -MTL name extension will be added to every chapter, in addition to a template, <nowiki>{{MTL}}</nowiki>, indicating that the script has been produced by a machine (the "Preview" tag and template should no longer be used).
			::*Machine translated chapters existing prior to this policy that have not been reviewed should also receive the -MTL name extension, however they should include the template <nowiki>{{MTL-old}}</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>{{MTL}}</nowiki>, which includes a note that they have not been reviewed by this policy.

	* This is non-negotiable. ~~For the translators who would like to want their work back though, we may help you for that. But anyway,~~ a machine ~~translation script that doesn't meet the minimum required (which is already pretty lax) will~~ be ~~deleted~~.		'''6. Any chapter done by a machine can be overwritten by a human translator.'''

	'~~''4. Chapters will be tagged clearly as~~ a machine translation script.~~'''~~		:* Unless it's a translator guess-lating and inventing stuff out of blue, a human translator who shows the ability and the effort can overwrite the machine translation script with his own work.

	* No more confusion surrounding machine translation script. A -MTL name extension will be added to every chapter, in addition to a template indicating that the script has been produced by a machine.

	~~'''5. Any chapter done by~~ a machine ~~can~~ be ~~overwritten by a human translator~~.~~'''~~		Once a machine translated script has fulfilled all the requirements as shown by the guidelines, please be aware that the script will become Baka-Tsuki Wiki-communist state property.

	* Unless it's a translator guess-~~lating and inventing stuff out of blue, a human translator who shows the ability and~~ the ~~effort can overwrite~~ the ~~machine translation~~ script ~~with his own work~~.		Baka-Tsuki staff have the final authority to remove the script, provided that they have fully transparent and accountable reasons.
			===Templates===
			*[[Template:MTL]] for machine translated chapters that receive approval to be added to the wiki
	~~Once a Preview script has fulfilled all the requirements as shown by the guidelines, please be aware~~ that the ~~script will become Baka-Tsuki Wiki-communist state property~~.		*[[Template:MTL-old]] for machine translated chapters that were posted prior to the implantation of this policy and have not been reviewed or approved.

	~~Baka-Tsuki staff have the final authority to remove the script, provided that they have fully transparent and accountable reasons.~~
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Matcha: flow and style edits

2014-12-14T07:29:25Z

flow and style edits

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	Please note that this policy is a <span style="color:red;">'''convention'''</span>—individual translation projects may have stricter or more relaxed policies with regards to machine translations. Please check '''Project-Specific Guidelines''' to learn more about your project's stance on machine translations. All members should follow these guidelines by default.		Please note that this policy is a <span style="color:red;">'''convention'''</span>—individual translation projects may have stricter or more relaxed policies with regards to machine translations. Please check '''Project-Specific Guidelines''' to learn more about your project's stance on machine translations. All members should follow these guidelines by default.

	==Definition of Machine ~~Translations~~==		==Definition of a Machine Translation==
			<div style="border:2px solid gray;padding:5px;background-color:#EEEEEE">
	''~~'From henceforth~~, a machine ~~translation~~ is ~~one where~~ a sentence ~~(no matter how long)~~ or a phrase of more than 8 characters (in Japanese, Chinese, Korean, ~~or anything~~) ~~is converted~~ into ~~the current work (meaning non-English works too)~~ via a translating program (babel, ATLAS, google, etc).'''		''Henceforth, the <b>act of machine translating</b> is defined as the conversion of a <b>sentence or phrase</b> of <b><span style="color:red;">more than 8 characters</span></b> (in Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc.) into another language via a <b>translating program</b> (babel, ATLAS, google, etc).''
			</div>
	==Guidelines==		==Guidelines==

	'''1. Any translation ~~done~~ with heavy ~~implication of machine~~ for more than 1/2 of the text will be considered as a machine translation script.'''		'''1. Any translation performed with a heavy reliance on machines for more than 1/2 of the text will be considered as a machine translation script.'''

	* This also includes romaji translations and other kinds of work ~~done~~ done by people who obviously ~~must~~ depend on ~~non-reliable~~ methods to produce a translation.		:* This also includes romaji translations and other kinds of work done by people who obviously depend on unreliable methods to produce a translation.

	'''2. A machine translation script must be worked on by two people who know Japanese, then checked/approved by a senior translator, in addition to having the consent of the project manager.'''		'''2. A machine translation script must be worked on by two people who know Japanese, then checked/approved by a senior translator, in addition to having the consent of the project manager.'''

Onizuka-gto: /* Guidelines */

2014-08-29T06:29:37Z

Guidelines

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	e.g. Japanese -> Chinese -> English script.		e.g. Japanese -> Chinese -> English script.

	Japanese to English could be checked.		Japanese to English could be checked.

	Chinese to English could be checked.		Chinese to English could be checked.

	Japanese to Chinese will not be checked.		Japanese to Chinese will not be checked.


	* There needs to be people who not only contribute to make the translation faithful, but also a respected translator who obviously knows his stuff to check if the work has been done right.		* There needs to be people who not only contribute to make the translation faithful, but also a respected translator who obviously knows his stuff to check if the work has been done right.

Onizuka-gto: /* Guidelines */ clarification added

2014-08-29T06:27:45Z

Guidelines: clarification added

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	'''2. A machine translation script must be worked on by two people who know Japanese, then checked/approved by a senior translator, in addition to having the consent of the project manager.'''		'''2. A machine translation script must be worked on by two people who know Japanese, then checked/approved by a senior translator, in addition to having the consent of the project manager.'''

			* The content will be checked based on the immediate language it was translated from, and translated into.

			e.g. Japanese -> Chinese -> English script.
			Japanese to English could be checked.
			Chinese to English could be checked.
			Japanese to Chinese will not be checked.

	* There needs to be people who not only contribute to make the translation faithful, but also a respected translator who obviously knows his stuff to check if the work has been done right.		* There needs to be people who not only contribute to make the translation faithful, but also a respected translator who obviously knows his stuff to check if the work has been done right.

Onizuka-gto: Protected "Baka-Tsuki:Machine Translation Guidelines" ([Edit=Allow only autoconfirmed users] (indefinite) [Move=Allow only autoconfirmed users] (indefinite))

2014-08-29T01:01:12Z

Protected "Baka-Tsuki:Machine Translation Guidelines" ([Edit=Allow only autoconfirmed users] (indefinite) [Move=Allow only autoconfirmed users] (indefinite))

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Kira0802 at 02:44, 28 August 2014

2014-08-28T02:44:53Z

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	==Definition of Machine Translations==		==Definition of Machine Translations==

	'''From henceforth, a machine translation is one where a sentence (no matter how long) or a phrase of more than 8 characters (in Japanese, Chinese, Korean, or anything) is converted into the current work (meaning non-English works too) via a translating program (babel, ATLAS, google, etc)'''		'''From henceforth, a machine translation is one where a sentence (no matter how long) or a phrase of more than 8 characters (in Japanese, Chinese, Korean, or anything) is converted into the current work (meaning non-English works too) via a translating program (babel, ATLAS, google, etc).'''

	==Guidelines==		==Guidelines==
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	* Unless it's a translator guess-lating and inventing stuff out of blue, a human translator who shows the ability and the effort can overwrite the machine translation script with his own work.		* Unless it's a translator guess-lating and inventing stuff out of blue, a human translator who shows the ability and the effort can overwrite the machine translation script with his own work.


	Once a Preview script has fulfilled all the requirements as shown by the guidelines, please be aware that the script will become Baka-Tsuki Wiki-communist state property.		Once a Preview script has fulfilled all the requirements as shown by the guidelines, please be aware that the script will become Baka-Tsuki Wiki-communist state property.

Kira0802: Major changes to machine translation rules

2014-08-28T02:44:19Z

Major changes to machine translation rules

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	==Definition of Machine Translations==		==Definition of Machine Translations==

			'''From henceforth, a machine translation is one where a sentence (no matter how long) or a phrase of more than 8 characters (in Japanese, Chinese, Korean, or anything) is converted into the current work (meaning non-English works too) via a translating program (babel, ATLAS, google, etc)'''

	~~This is a general guideline for ~Preview~ scripts submitted using machine translations:~~		==Guidelines==

	~~Scripts employing this method are not unwelcome, but are restricted to guidelines and unfortunately cannot~~ be ~~submitted~~ as ~~"official" scripts~~.		'''1. Any translation done with heavy implication of machine for more than 1/2 of the text will be considered as a machine translation script.'''

	~~We can only allow machine translated scripts to be presented as ~Preview~ scripts.~~ This ~~is due to the consensus~~ of ~~the wiki~~-~~communist state of Baka-Tsuki concluding that the quality of machine translation has yet~~ to ~~rival human translators. The representation of machine~~ translation ~~should not be acknowledged as "official" scripts to risk Baka-Tsuki's reputation upon~~.		* This also includes romaji translations and other kinds of work done done by people who obviously must depend on non-reliable methods to produce a translation.

	~~However~~, ~~with the improvement of software and technology~~, ~~Baka-Tsuki is hopeful that~~ the quality of machine translations will improve and that we should not dismiss this method of translation. The current generation of machine translators are still useful for helping human translators reference and give a general idea of the ~~layout and/or to help translate bulk parts of text~~.		'''2. A machine translation script must be worked on by two people who know Japanese, then checked/approved by a senior translator, in addition to having the consent of the project manager.'''

	~~The best machine~~ translator ~~we have currently reviewed~~ is ~~called "[http://www~~.~~fujitsu.com/global/products/software/packaged-software/~~translation~~/ Atlas]"~~. ~~We encourage all contributors who wish~~ to ~~help using machine translation~~ to ~~use this current engine~~.		* There needs to be people who not only contribute to make the translation faithful, but also a respected translator who obviously knows his stuff to check if the work has been done right.
			* Still, this is just the minimum acceptable. If a project manager thinks that the minimum acceptable is not good enough, he's free to forbid machine translation scripts.
			* For existing chapters that have supposedly been TLCed, a senior translator will be sent to check it.
			* An accuracy of 85% to 95% is expected at the very least, depending on the difficulty of the novel in question.

	~~While other software and "online" translators are not dismissed, please be aware~~ that ~~they have less of an ability~~ to ~~translate~~ the ~~correct context of a script compared to "Atlas"~~.		'''3. Chapters that fail to meet the requirements will be deleted permanently.'''

	~~They will~~, ~~as mentioned in the first sentence~~, ~~require~~ a ~~lot of editing as~~ the ~~general context of the dialog and background may~~ be ~~severely damaged by the engine's translation~~.		* This is non-negotiable. For the translators who would like to want their work back though, we may help you for that. But anyway, a machine translation script that doesn't meet the minimum required (which is already pretty lax) will be deleted.

	~~Editors are advised to seek human translator consultancy over these~~ machine ~~translations to review/conduct a general analysis for integrity and contextual coherency within the volume/series~~.		'''4. Chapters will be tagged clearly as a machine translation script.'''

	~~Authors using Machine Translated Scripts are advised~~ to ~~take~~ the ~~following actions:~~		* No more confusion surrounding machine translation script. A -MTL name extension will be added to every chapter, in addition to a template indicating that the script has been produced by a machine.

	~~1) Post machine translated scripts on the [http://www~~.~~baka-tsuki.org/forums/ Forum] for examination.~~		'''5. Any chapter done by a machine can be overwritten by a human translator.'''

	~~2) The script must be consulted~~ by a ~~human Translator that~~ can ~~conduct a general proofreading of the script with the original raw(s) used for it (in the same language used, if possible ).~~

	~~3) All machine translated script needs an approval~~ by a ~~Baka-Tsuki Staff member before being published on the wiki~~.

	~~4) Machine translations must be placed in a page with "~Preview~" in the title.~~

	~~5) The link must clearly state it is a "~Preview~" and must be placed next to the non-hyperlinked title on the appropriate series page.~~

	~~6) The beginning of the page must contain the following:~~


	~~CODE: SELECT ALL~~
	~~<br />~~
	~~Chapter [number/Symbol] - [title of chapter here]~~


	''~~This is a preview script.~~
	~~Please be aware that the degree of translation error may be higher than usual due to the translation speed & method employed.~~''

	~~----~~


	~~7) The Author of the Machine translation must register their Wiki username on the appropriate series registration page, clearly stating that it is for the preview script.~~

			* Unless it's a translator guess-lating and inventing stuff out of blue, a human translator who shows the ability and the effort can overwrite the machine translation script with his own work.

	Once a Preview script has fulfilled all the requirements as shown by the guidelines, please be aware that the script will become Baka-Tsuki Wiki-communist state property.		Once a Preview script has fulfilled all the requirements as shown by the guidelines, please be aware that the script will become Baka-Tsuki Wiki-communist state property.

	Baka-Tsuki staff have the final authority to remove the script, provided that they have fully transparent and accountable reasons.		Baka-Tsuki staff have the final authority to remove the script, provided that they have fully transparent and accountable reasons.

	~~As a contributor of machine translations, your contribution does not have to be recognized.~~
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KuroiHikari: /* Definition of Machine Translations */

2014-08-24T01:12:26Z

Definition of Machine Translations

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	Baka-Tsuki staff have the final authority to remove the script, provided that they have fully transparent and accountable reasons.		Baka-Tsuki staff have the final authority to remove the script, provided that they have fully transparent and accountable reasons.

			As a contributor of machine translations, your contribution does not have to be recognized.
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	[[Category:DRAFT]][[Category:Help Page]]		[[Category:DRAFT]][[Category:Help Page]]

PointTaken at 01:02, 21 June 2014

2014-06-21T01:02:16Z

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	Once a Preview script has fulfilled all the requirements as shown by the guidelines, please be aware that the script will become ~~a part of the~~ Baka-Tsuki Wiki-communist state property.		Once a Preview script has fulfilled all the requirements as shown by the guidelines, please be aware that the script will become Baka-Tsuki Wiki-communist state property.

	Baka-Tsuki staff have the final authority to remove the script, provided that they have fully transparent and accountable reasons.		Baka-Tsuki staff have the final authority to remove the script, provided that they have fully transparent and accountable reasons.
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	[[Category:DRAFT]][[Category:Help Page]]		[[Category:DRAFT]][[Category:Help Page]]