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Leviticus: /* Terminology: Titles & Names */

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Terminology: Titles & Names

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	*The school's name has been set as '''Lillian Girls' Academy'''.		*The school's name has been set as '''Lillian Girls' Academy'''.
	*The terms ''Maria-sama'' and ''Gokigenyou'' should be left as is.		*The terms ''Maria-sama'' and ''Gokigenyou'' should be left as is.
	*The French titles are to be used when applicable: ''Rosa Chinensis'', ''Rosa Gigantea'', ''Rosa Foetida'' as well as ''en bouton''.		*The Latin and French titles are to be used when applicable: ''Rosa Chinensis'', ''Rosa Gigantea'', ''Rosa Foetida'' as well as ''en bouton''.
	*The French terms ''grande sœur'', ''sœur'' and ''petite sœur'' should be left as is.		*The French terms ''grande sœur'', ''sœur'' and ''petite sœur'' should be left as is.
	*The term ''onee-sama'' should be left as is when in reference/address to a grande s&oelig;ur.		*The term ''onee-sama'' should be left as is when in reference/address to a grande s&oelig;ur.


	===Perspective===		===Perspective===

Leviticus: /* Maria-sama ga Miteru Specific Formatting */ notes

2018-11-25T04:21:01Z

Maria-sama ga Miteru Specific Formatting: notes

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	=Maria-sama ga Miteru Specific Formatting=		=Maria-sama ga Miteru Specific Formatting=
	These are the project guidelines and conventions to be used when working on ''Maria-sama ga Miteru''. They are split between '''Translators''' and '''Editors'''. [[User:Seki\|Seki]] wrote the original in 2008, which can be found on the talk page [[Talk:Maria-sama_ga_Miteru:Format\|here]]. It has been modified to fit the current state of the project, and to address any future contributors in general.		These are the project guidelines and conventions to be used when working on ''Maria-sama ga Miteru''. They are split between '''Translators''' and '''Editors'''. [[User:Seki\|Seki]] wrote the original in 2008, which can be found on the talk page [[Talk:Maria-sama_ga_Miteru:Format\|here]]. It has been modified to fit the current state of the project, and to address any future contributors in general.

			===A note===
			Translators and Editors are encouraged to place on-page notes whenever they are necessary. This makes it much easier to view the reference on the wiki, in PDFs, and especially in the app. See [[Format_guideline#on-page_notes\|this page]] for details.

	==Translators==		==Translators==
	Translators are asked to maintain these format guidelines as much as possible, within reason and skill. They are '''not''' required to adhere to typographical standards, such as writing ''soeur'' as ''s&oelig;ur''; use and/or placement of hyphens, en dashes, and em dashes; or any other markup-related formatting.		Translators are asked to maintain these format guidelines as much as possible, within reason and skill. They are '''not''' required to adhere to typographical standards, such as writing ''soeur'' as ''s&oelig;ur''; use and/or placement of hyphens, en dashes, and em dashes; or any other markup-related formatting.

Leviticus: Updated formatting standards

2018-11-25T04:06:32Z

Updated formatting standards

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	*The terms ''Maria-sama'' and ''Gokigenyou'' should be left as is.		*The terms ''Maria-sama'' and ''Gokigenyou'' should be left as is.
	*The French titles are to be used when applicable: ''Rosa Chinensis'', ''Rosa Gigantea'', ''Rosa Foetida'' as well as ''en bouton''.		*The French titles are to be used when applicable: ''Rosa Chinensis'', ''Rosa Gigantea'', ''Rosa Foetida'' as well as ''en bouton''.
	*The French terms ''grande sœur'', ''sœur'' and ''petite sœur'' should be left as is~~. Refer to [[Maria-sama_ga_Miteru:Format#Words\|words]]~~.		*The French terms ''grande sœur'', ''sœur'' and ''petite sœur'' should be left as is.
	*The term ''onee-sama'' should be left as is when in reference/address to a grande s&oelig;ur.		*The term ''onee-sama'' should be left as is when in reference/address to a grande s&oelig;ur.

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	Specific word choice isn't crucial, and can be left to the editors if a translator wishes.		Specific word choice isn't crucial, and can be left to the editors if a translator wishes.

	~~===Words===~~
	~~There are a few recurring words that should be kept as is, whenever appropriate.~~

	~~優雅 = Elegant~~

	~~無垢 = Pure~~

	~~華やか = Brilliant~~

	~~結構 = Splendid~~

	~~マリア様の心 = "Maria-sama's Soul"~~

	~~スール = Sœur~~


	==Editors==		==Editors==
	Editors are asked to maintain these format guidelines as much as possible, within reason and skill. They are responsible for everything beyond the actual translation of the project, including typographical and markup formatting. Additionally, they are asked to set words or form that a translator might miss. However, they '''must not''' rewrite ''any'' text in such a manner that the meaning of the section or sentence itself changes. Should such a questionable entry appear, editors are asked to discuss the matter with the translator or project manager. If a prospective contributor feels any of these requirements are outside or above their abilities, please leave them to more experienced editors.		Editors are asked to maintain these format guidelines as much as possible, within reason and skill. They are responsible for everything beyond the actual translation of the project, including typographical and markup formatting. Additionally, they are asked to set words or form that a translator might miss. However, they '''must not''' rewrite ''any'' text in such a manner that the meaning of the section or sentence itself changes. Should such a questionable entry appear, editors are asked to discuss the matter with the translator or project manager. If a prospective contributor feels any of these requirements are outside or above their abilities, please leave them to more experienced editors.


	===Terminology===		===Terminology===
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	*S&oelig;ur is written as s<big>&oelig;</big>ur.		*S&oelig;ur is written as s<big>&oelig;</big>ur.
	*Class and club names are to be capitalized; they are proper nouns.		*Class and club names are to be capitalized; they are proper nouns.
	*When referencing the ~~student body "years~~," the ~~default action is to hyphenate. E.g~~.~~: first-~~, ~~second-~~, and ~~third-years~~. ~~This is solely for ease-of-reading~~.
			====Word Choice====
			There are a few words that come up often in translation, both in dialogue and narration, that should be in place whenever appropriate. Use your best judgement when playing thesaurus, being mindful of the character speaking or narration's point of view, as well as the tone of the section. For example, Sachiko and Shimako may be described as ''elegant'' and ''pure'', as opposed to ''pretty'' and ''clean''. Translators, and the project manager, will have the final say on what words are appropriate to be used.


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	\| '''Possessives of<br>singular nouns<br>and singular<br>proper nouns<br>ending in ''s''''' \|\| <big>Add only an apostrophe.</big><br><br>Actress' phone, Texas', James', Xerxes'		\| '''Possessives of<br>singular nouns<br>and singular<br>proper nouns<br>ending in ''s''''' \|\| <big>Add only an apostrophe.</big><br><br>Actress' phone, Texas', James', Xerxes'
	\|}		\|}
	~~<br style="clear:both"/>~~
	<small>Table entry from [http://www.thepunctuationguide.com/style.html The Punctuation Guide].</small>		<small>Table entry from [http://www.thepunctuationguide.com/style.html The Punctuation Guide].</small>

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	====Hyphens & Dashes====		====Hyphens & Dashes====
	Hyphens, en dashes, and em dashes should be cast as they normally would. In this project, however, a space is placed between the em dash and the words it separates, and is used solely for readability on the wiki and BakaReader app. The exception to this rule is when speech is interrupted, in which case the em dash is placed as normal—without a space.		Hyphens, en dashes, and em dashes should be cast as they normally would.

Leviticus: /* Common Punctuation */ table generated

2018-11-25T03:45:39Z

Common Punctuation: table generated

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	====Common Punctuation====		====Common Punctuation====
	The amount of text that this outline could cover is immense, so these examples should serve as the baseline with which to compare and build upon during editing.		The amount of text that this outline could cover is immense, so these examples should serve as the baseline with which to compare and build upon during editing.
	~~[[File~~:~~MM Style Table~~.~~jpg~~\|~~left]]~~		{\| class="wikitable" style="margin-left:0px; text-align:left"
			\|-
			\| '''Serial comma''' \|\| <big>Include a comma before the<br>conjunction.</big><br><br>My favorite composers are Beethoven,<br>Brahms, Mahler, and Mozart.
			\|-
			\| '''Spacing<br>between initials<br>in names''' \|\| <big>Include a space between initials.</big><br><br>E. L. Doctorow
			\|-
			\| '''Abbreviations''' \|\| <big>Preference against periods.</big><br><br>JD, BA, PhD, BCE (referring to the era),<br>PO Box, US, UN
			\|-
			\| '''Possessives of<br>singular nouns<br>and singular<br>proper nouns<br>ending in ''s''''' \|\| <big>Add only an apostrophe.</big><br><br>Actress' phone, Texas', James', Xerxes'
			\|}
	<br style="clear:both"/>		<br style="clear:both"/>
	<small>Table entry from [http://www.thepunctuationguide.com/style.html The Punctuation Guide].</small>		<small>Table entry from [http://www.thepunctuationguide.com/style.html The Punctuation Guide].</small>

Leviticus: /* Editors */

2018-09-19T08:44:48Z

Editors

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 ==Editors==
-Editors are asked to maintain these format guidelines as much as possible, within reason and skill. They are responsible for '''everything''' beyond the actual translation of the project, including typographical and markup formatting.
+Editors are asked to maintain these format guidelines as much as possible, within reason and skill. They are responsible for everything beyond the actual translation of the project, including typographical and markup formatting. Additionally, they are asked to set words or form that a translator might miss. However, they '''must not''' rewrite ''any'' text in such a manner that the meaning of the section or sentence itself changes. Should such a questionable entry appear, editors are asked to discuss the matter with the translator or project manager. If a prospective contributor feels any of these requirements are outside or above their abilities, please leave them to more experienced editors.
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Leviticus: Formal setting of project specific formatting

2018-09-15T08:25:26Z

Formal setting of project specific formatting

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	==Maria-sama ga Miteru ~~specific formatting~~==		=Maria-sama ga Miteru Specific Formatting=
			These are the project guidelines and conventions to be used when working on ''Maria-sama ga Miteru''. They are split between '''Translators''' and '''Editors'''. [[User:Seki\|Seki]] wrote the original in 2008, which can be found on the talk page [[Talk:Maria-sama_ga_Miteru:Format\|here]]. It has been modified to fit the current state of the project, and to address any future contributors in general.
			==Translators==
			Translators are asked to maintain these format guidelines as much as possible, within reason and skill. They are '''not''' required to adhere to typographical standards, such as writing ''soeur'' as ''s&oelig;ur''; use and/or placement of hyphens, en dashes, and em dashes; or any other markup-related formatting.

	===~~Maria-sama, Gokigenyou~~===		===Terminology: Titles & Names===
	~~In both of these cases I decided~~ to ~~keep~~ the ~~Japanese iteration~~. ~~Part of it was a friend bugging me to stay true to the fan iteration of the series~~. ~~I presume it was kept this way in the anime~~. ~~I deliberately changed it in the prologue~~, ~~however~~, as ~~that felt like a more aloof~~, ~~realistic~~ and~~, yeah, specific description~~.		*'''All''' honorifics are to be used, following the author's use and placement.
			*The school's name has been set as '''Lillian Girls' Academy'''.
			*The terms ''Maria-sama'' and ''Gokigenyou'' should be left as is.
			*The French titles are to be used when applicable: ''Rosa Chinensis'', ''Rosa Gigantea'', ''Rosa Foetida'' as well as ''en bouton''.
			*The French terms ''grande sœur'', ''sœur'' and ''petite sœur'' should be left as is. Refer to [[Maria-sama_ga_Miteru:Format#Words\|words]].
			*The term ''onee-sama'' should be left as is when in reference/address to a grande s&oelig;ur.

	In the same way, I decided to keep honorifics. -san, -sama, -sensei, unless they were intended to bring a point across "well aren't you a missy!" I don't know if I'll ever run across such an instance in this series, but I'm covering my bases with that heads-up.

	===~~Titles~~===		===Perspective===
	~~I kept all~~ of the ~~French titles. Rosa Chinensis~~, ~~Gigantea, Foetida~~ and ~~the en boutons~~, ~~as well as Rosa Canina and any other specific titles that crop up~~. ~~I also kept grande sœur, sœur and petite sœur as they were~~.		Most of the text is in third-person narrative, yet the author had a tendency to switch into first-person every now and then, so there's an abrupt switch for those moments. Maintaining the author's style is preferred.


	~~Onee-samas~~ is ~~one I struggled~~ with. ~~In Japanese~~ it ~~is written お姉さま方~~, ~~which is~~ a ~~plural way of saying onee-sama~~. ~~Onee~~-~~sama~~, ~~incidentally~~, ~~I counted as a title~~, ~~as it was a specific way~~ of ~~calling someone~~. ~~Yumi always calls Sachiko onee-sama - in fact they have a little~~, ~~cute spat about this. She never calls anyone else specifically onee-sama. In like kind~~, ~~I felt the usage~~ of ~~onee~~-~~samas~~, ~~the plural~~, ~~similar~~. ~~You only really see this usage when it is someone referring~~ to the ~~Roses, but not calling them "the Roses~~."		===Formality===
			'''Lillian Girls' Academy''' is a prestigious private institution; the speech and mannerisms of the students within should follow suit. However, much like friends in real life, the characters can talk with familiarity. As Seki put it, translators should:
			"[do their] best to make a distinction between when the characters are speaking formally and when they're not. . . . While it's a school for upper-class women, most of the students spoke quite casually to one another, particularly in the case of Yumi. Slang is out of the question, of course, but otherwise [keep] her speech rather normal. A few characters, such as Satou Sei, diving into slang and other such 'immature' modes of speech [are acceptable and in-character]. But, for characters like Sachiko (as well as certain 'modes' for characters), [try] to maintain as formal English as [possible]."
			Specific word choice isn't crucial, and can be left to the editors if a translator wishes.

	~~Imouto, however, I switched to little sister. I felt this was synonymous to senpai (upperclassmen)~~, ~~kouhai (underclassmen) and a broader usage of the word onee-sama (elder sisters)~~.		===Words===
			There are a few recurring words that should be kept as is, whenever appropriate.

	=~~==Perspective===~~		優雅 = Elegant
	Most of the text is in third-person narrative, so I kept it that way. I've made sure as to keep as much of the text in this perspective, but the author had a tendency to switch into a very first-person-esque mode of speaking every now and then, so there's an abrupt switch into first-person for those moments.

	=~~==Formality===~~		無垢 = Pure
	I've done my best to make a distinction between when the characters are speaking formally and when they're not, but I'm not the best of speakers of "formal English." My guidelines are a bit rough, but I decided that, while it's a school for upper-class women, most of the students spoke quite casually to one another... particularly in the case of Yumi. Slang is out of the question, of course, but otherwise I kept her speech rather normal. A few characters, such as Rosa Gigantea, I had fun with, diving into slang and other such "immature" modes of speech, but for characters like Sachiko-sama (as well as certain "modes" for characters), I tried to maintain as formal an English as I could. This is definitely one I could use help on.

	=~~==Words===~~		華やか = Brilliant
	~~There are a few recurring words that I ended up settling on. I'll add them to this list as I go.~~

	優雅 = ~~Elegant.~~		結構 = Splendid

	無垢 = ~~Pure.~~		マリア様の心 = "Maria-sama's Soul"

	~~華やか~~ = ~~Brilliant.~~		スール = Sœur

	~~結構 = Splendid.~~

	~~マリア様の心~~ = ~~"Maria-sama~~'~~s Soul~~."		==Editors==
			Editors are asked to maintain these format guidelines as much as possible, within reason and skill. They are responsible for '''everything''' beyond the actual translation of the project, including typographical and markup formatting.

	~~スール~~ = ~~Sœur~~.		<noinclude>
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86.76.193.147: souer => sœur

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souer => sœur

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	===Titles===		===Titles===
	I kept all of the French titles. Rosa Chinensis, Gigantea, Foetida and the en boutons, as well as Rosa Canina and any other specific titles that crop up. I also kept ~~grand souer~~, ~~souer~~ and petite ~~souer~~ as they were.		I kept all of the French titles. Rosa Chinensis, Gigantea, Foetida and the en boutons, as well as Rosa Canina and any other specific titles that crop up. I also kept grande sœur, sœur and petite sœur as they were.

	Onee-samas is one I struggled with. In Japanese it is written お姉さま方, which is a plural way of saying onee-sama. Onee-sama, incidentally, I counted as a title, as it was a specific way of calling someone. Yumi always calls Sachiko onee-sama - in fact they have a little, cute spat about this. She never calls anyone else specifically onee-sama. In like kind, I felt the usage of onee-samas, the plural, similar. You only really see this usage when it is someone referring to the Roses, but not calling them "the Roses."		Onee-samas is one I struggled with. In Japanese it is written お姉さま方, which is a plural way of saying onee-sama. Onee-sama, incidentally, I counted as a title, as it was a specific way of calling someone. Yumi always calls Sachiko onee-sama - in fact they have a little, cute spat about this. She never calls anyone else specifically onee-sama. In like kind, I felt the usage of onee-samas, the plural, similar. You only really see this usage when it is someone referring to the Roses, but not calling them "the Roses."

Seki: /* Words */

2008-04-07T12:52:01Z

Words

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	優雅 = Elegant.		優雅 = Elegant.

	無垢 = Pure.		無垢 = Pure.

	華やか = Brilliant.		華やか = Brilliant.

	結構 = Splendid.		結構 = Splendid.

	マリア様の心 = "Maria-sama's Soul."		マリア様の心 = "Maria-sama's Soul."

	スール = Sœur.		スール = Sœur.

Seki: Updated

2008-04-07T12:51:33Z

Updated

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	In the same way, I decided to keep honorifics. -san, -sama, -sensei, unless they were intended to bring a point across "well aren't you a missy!" I don't know if I'll ever run across such an instance in this series, but I'm covering my bases with that heads-up.		In the same way, I decided to keep honorifics. -san, -sama, -sensei, unless they were intended to bring a point across "well aren't you a missy!" I don't know if I'll ever run across such an instance in this series, but I'm covering my bases with that heads-up.

	~~If people want me to change things either way (either pure Maria-sama, or changing everything to Virgin Mary or some other variation), make a thread, or something.~~

	===Titles===		===Titles===
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	Imouto, however, I switched to little sister. I felt this was synonymous to senpai (upperclassmen), kouhai (underclassmen) and a broader usage of the word onee-sama (elder sisters).		Imouto, however, I switched to little sister. I felt this was synonymous to senpai (upperclassmen), kouhai (underclassmen) and a broader usage of the word onee-sama (elder sisters).

	~~Again~~, ~~if anyone has issues with~~ this ~~formatting~~, ~~please bring it up with~~ a ~~poll or something~~.		===Perspective===
			Most of the text is in third-person narrative, so I kept it that way. I've made sure as to keep as much of the text in this perspective, but the author had a tendency to switch into a very first-person-esque mode of speaking every now and then, so there's an abrupt switch into first-person for those moments.

	===~~Perspective~~===		===Formality===
	~~This is one~~ I ~~struggled with. I took~~ a ~~few liberties. Most of~~ the ~~text tends to be in third-person~~, as the ~~narrator constantly makes reference to~~ "~~Yumi~~." ~~However there~~ are ~~moments when~~ the ~~narration switches~~ to ~~a decidedly more fragmented and intimate thought process~~. ~~"Maria-sama is mean!"~~ in 1.~~1.1~~ is ~~a good example~~. As such, I ~~took the liberty~~ of, ~~when I felt the narration had~~ "~~switched gears~~,~~" so~~ to ~~speak, switching into first-person narrative~~. ~~If people find~~ this ~~to be awkward or confusing,~~ I ~~can try to proof~~-~~read and fix things up with whatever solution is brought up and agreed upon~~.		I've done my best to make a distinction between when the characters are speaking formally and when they're not, but I'm not the best of speakers of "formal English." My guidelines are a bit rough, but I decided that, while it's a school for upper-class women, most of the students spoke quite casually to one another... particularly in the case of Yumi. Slang is out of the question, of course, but otherwise I kept her speech rather normal. A few characters, such as Rosa Gigantea, I had fun with, diving into slang and other such "immature" modes of speech, but for characters like Sachiko-sama (as well as certain "modes" for characters), I tried to maintain as formal an English as I could. This is definitely one I could use help on.

			===Words===
			There are a few recurring words that I ended up settling on. I'll add them to this list as I go.

			優雅 = Elegant.
			無垢 = Pure.
			華やか = Brilliant.
			結構 = Splendid.
			マリア様の心 = "Maria-sama's Soul."
			スール = Sœur.

Seki: New page: ==Maria-sama ga Miteru specific formatting== ===Maria-sama, Gokigenyou=== In both of these cases I decided to keep the Japanese iteration. Part of it was a friend bugging me to stay true...

2008-03-27T17:51:02Z

New page: ==Maria-sama ga Miteru specific formatting== ===Maria-sama, Gokigenyou=== In both of these cases I decided to keep the Japanese iteration. Part of it was a friend bugging me to stay true...

New page

==Maria-sama ga Miteru specific formatting==

===Maria-sama, Gokigenyou===
In both of these cases I decided to keep the Japanese iteration. Part of it was a friend bugging me to stay true to the fan iteration of the series. I presume it was kept this way in the anime. I deliberately changed it in the prologue, however, as that felt like a more aloof, realistic and, yeah, specific description.

In the same way, I decided to keep honorifics. -san, -sama, -sensei, unless they were intended to bring a point across "well aren't you a missy!" I don't know if I'll ever run across such an instance in this series, but I'm covering my bases with that heads-up.

If people want me to change things either way (either pure Maria-sama, or changing everything to Virgin Mary or some other variation), make a thread, or something.

===Titles===
I kept all of the French titles. Rosa Chinensis, Gigantea, Foetida and the en boutons, as well as Rosa Canina and any other specific titles that crop up. I also kept grand souer, souer and petite souer as they were.

Onee-samas is one I struggled with. In Japanese it is written お姉さま方, which is a plural way of saying onee-sama. Onee-sama, incidentally, I counted as a title, as it was a specific way of calling someone. Yumi always calls Sachiko onee-sama - in fact they have a little, cute spat about this. She never calls anyone else specifically onee-sama. In like kind, I felt the usage of onee-samas, the plural, similar. You only really see this usage when it is someone referring to the Roses, but not calling them "the Roses."

Imouto, however, I switched to little sister. I felt this was synonymous to senpai (upperclassmen), kouhai (underclassmen) and a broader usage of the word onee-sama (elder sisters).

Again, if anyone has issues with this formatting, please bring it up with a poll or something.

===Perspective===
This is one I struggled with. I took a few liberties. Most of the text tends to be in third-person, as the narrator constantly makes reference to "Yumi." However there are moments when the narration switches to a decidedly more fragmented and intimate thought process. "Maria-sama is mean!" in 1.1.1 is a good example. As such, I took the liberty of, when I felt the narration had "switched gears," so to speak, switching into first-person narrative. If people find this to be awkward or confusing, I can try to proof-read and fix things up with whatever solution is brought up and agreed upon.