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Velocity7: /* Requirements */

2007-04-12T16:50:51Z

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	To pass the bad ending and head into SEEN3514, the following requirements must be fulfilled (according to the Kepago file):		To pass the bad ending and head into SEEN3514, the following requirements must be fulfilled (according to the Kepago file):

	*intF[308]: Said you liked long hair on April 28 ~~- leans~~ Ryou towards trying to be like Kyou		*intF[308]: Said you liked long hair on April 28
	*intF[309]: Practiced kissing with Kyou on May 3 ~~- influences~~ your view of Kyou		**Leans Ryou towards trying to be like Kyou
	*intF[310]: Bought the Amethyst pendant on May 4 ~~- affects~~ Ryou's view of you, since you buy the Tanzanite pendant in front of her instead, making her feel a bit uneasy due to the DEATH card		*intF[309]: Practiced kissing with Kyou on May 3
	*intF[312]: Kissed Ryou on May 5 ~~- causes~~ you to recall the practice with Kyou		**Influences your view of Kyou, causes rumor spread to be a bit more "detailed", I think?
	*intF[313]: Tried to stop Kyou on May 7 ~~- affects~~ your aggressive thinking pattern		*intF[310]: Bought the Amethyst pendant on May 4
			**Affects Ryou's view of you, since you buy the Tanzanite pendant in front of her instead, making her feel a bit uneasy due to the DEATH card
			*intF[312]: Kissed Ryou on May 5
			**Causes you to recall the practice with Kyou
			*intF[313]: Tried to stop Kyou on May 7
			**Affects your aggressive thinking pattern

	If you fail to meet '''any''' of these conditions, you ''will'' get the bad ending.		If you fail to meet '''any''' of these conditions, you ''will'' get the bad ending.

			:I put each of the analysis here as an explanation for each of the choices... mainly, what you do will affect whether Ryou thinks you really like her as Ryou, or that you would rather her to be more like Kyou. If she already knows she's losing and wants too much to be like Kyou, then it'll send you to SEEN3514. However, if you screw up and make her think that you do like her (for example, buying the Tanzanite beforehand), she'll also be caught in her own deception, rather than trying to create a deception despite knowing it's false. --[[User:Velocity7\|velocity7]]

	-I tested failing just one for each one, and I got the bad ending every time. Failing the first one puts you on a Ryou path, so doing everything else correctly in terms of Kyou makes you fail Ryou's ending through extending the days, which then turns you failing Kyou's route. Despite the +1's, Kyou requires all of them (while Ryou, reverse on the first three, requires only gem and hair, probably because you don't literally kiss Kyou, even though it's the event that triggers the most drama.) I was fooled by the gem and the Ryou kiss since the idea is not to mix Kyou and Ryou yet you have to do the Ryou kiss to get the image of Kyou into your head, yet buying the Tanzanite has a negative impact, which selection-wise makes sense but not really Kyou supporting Ryou sense (and you buy it anyway, at like an 8x inflated cost ...). I guess buying the Amethyst causes a certain point in the game to make you think about Kyou, which I don't know of yet. Kind of funny how visual novels have likeness of length of hair be so significant (while the other choices make a bit more sense, and technically liking short hair makes you fail Kyou's route but Ryou's is still possible, while making a mistake on any of the other ones ultimately defeat you.). -Amoirsp		-I tested failing just one for each one, and I got the bad ending every time. Failing the first one puts you on a Ryou path, so doing everything else correctly in terms of Kyou makes you fail Ryou's ending through extending the days, which then turns you failing Kyou's route. Despite the +1's, Kyou requires all of them (while Ryou, reverse on the first three, requires only gem and hair, probably because you don't literally kiss Kyou, even though it's the event that triggers the most drama.) I was fooled by the gem and the Ryou kiss since the idea is not to mix Kyou and Ryou yet you have to do the Ryou kiss to get the image of Kyou into your head, yet buying the Tanzanite has a negative impact, which selection-wise makes sense but not really Kyou supporting Ryou sense (and you buy it anyway, at like an 8x inflated cost ...). I guess buying the Amethyst causes a certain point in the game to make you think about Kyou, which I don't know of yet. Kind of funny how visual novels have likeness of length of hair be so significant (while the other choices make a bit more sense, and technically liking short hair makes you fail Kyou's route but Ryou's is still possible, while making a mistake on any of the other ones ultimately defeat you.). -Amoirsp
	: I can still remember the hell Kyou gave me when I was playing her route... I time traveled over 15 times just to finish her route... And by the way... I used a guide to finish her route because she was really frying my brain out! Wahahaha! Anyway, what would happen if you talk to Yuusuke and help him in Kyou's route? I thought you wouldn't be able to finish Kyou if you do that despite achieving her requirements. Or is it just me... -DGreater1		: I can still remember the hell Kyou gave me when I was playing her route... I time traveled over 15 times just to finish her route... And by the way... I used a guide to finish her route because she was really frying my brain out! Wahahaha! Anyway, what would happen if you talk to Yuusuke and help him in Kyou's route? I thought you wouldn't be able to finish Kyou if you do that despite achieving her requirements. Or is it just me... -DGreater1
	:: I believe helping Yuusuke unfortunately shifts the path to his route. Another route probably indirectly forgoes something in the same path, or it just takes you out of the path entirely. To me, anything prior to the 20th for the most part can coexist, but anything 20th and later quickly narrows down the routes. Don't know if the 21st is where singular routes come into play. -Amoirsp		:: I believe helping Yuusuke unfortunately shifts the path to his route. Another route probably indirectly forgoes something in the same path, or it just takes you out of the path entirely. To me, anything prior to the 20th for the most part can coexist, but anything 20th and later quickly narrows down the routes. Don't know if the 21st is where singular routes come into play. -Amoirsp

Velocity7 at 16:47, 12 April 2007

2007-04-12T16:47:22Z

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	To pass the bad ending and head into SEEN3514, the following requirements must be fulfilled (according to the Kepago file):		To pass the bad ending and head into SEEN3514, the following requirements must be fulfilled (according to the Kepago file):

	*intF[308]: Said you liked long hair on April 28		*intF[308]: Said you liked long hair on April 28 - leans Ryou towards trying to be like Kyou
	*intF[309]: Practiced kissing with Kyou on May 3		*intF[309]: Practiced kissing with Kyou on May 3 - influences your view of Kyou
	*intF[310]: Bought the Amethyst pendant on May 4		*intF[310]: Bought the Amethyst pendant on May 4 - affects Ryou's view of you, since you buy the Tanzanite pendant in front of her instead, making her feel a bit uneasy due to the DEATH card
	*intF[312]: Kissed Ryou on May 5		*intF[312]: Kissed Ryou on May 5 - causes you to recall the practice with Kyou
	*intF[313]: Tried to stop Kyou on May 7		*intF[313]: Tried to stop Kyou on May 7 - affects your aggressive thinking pattern

	If you fail to meet '''any''' of these conditions, you ''will'' get the bad ending.		If you fail to meet '''any''' of these conditions, you ''will'' get the bad ending.

Amoirsp: /* Requirements */

2007-04-10T20:14:55Z

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	-I tested failing just one for each one, and I got the bad ending every time. Failing the first one puts you on a Ryou path, ~~but~~ doing everything else ~~the~~ Kyou ~~way~~ makes you fail Ryou's ~~route~~, which ~~ironically extends the days. Failing the first three togheter gives~~ you ~~the Ryou ending with ease (unlike~~ Kyou's route~~, I believe you do have room to succeed either 309 or 310 ..~~. ~~which for Ryou's case would be failing.)~~ Despite the +1's, Kyou requires all of them (while Ryou, reverse on the first three, requires gem and hair.) -Amoirsp		-I tested failing just one for each one, and I got the bad ending every time. Failing the first one puts you on a Ryou path, so doing everything else correctly in terms of Kyou makes you fail Ryou's ending through extending the days, which then turns you failing Kyou's route. Despite the +1's, Kyou requires all of them (while Ryou, reverse on the first three, requires only gem and hair, probably because you don't literally kiss Kyou, even though it's the event that triggers the most drama.) I was fooled by the gem and the Ryou kiss since the idea is not to mix Kyou and Ryou yet you have to do the Ryou kiss to get the image of Kyou into your head, yet buying the Tanzanite has a negative impact, which selection-wise makes sense but not really Kyou supporting Ryou sense (and you buy it anyway, at like an 8x inflated cost ...). I guess buying the Amethyst causes a certain point in the game to make you think about Kyou, which I don't know of yet. Kind of funny how visual novels have likeness of length of hair be so significant (while the other choices make a bit more sense, and technically liking short hair makes you fail Kyou's route but Ryou's is still possible, while making a mistake on any of the other ones ultimately defeat you.). -Amoirsp
	: I can still remember the hell Kyou gave me when I was playing her route... I time traveled over 15 times just to finish her route... And by the way... I used a guide to finish her route because she was really frying my brain out! Wahahaha! Anyway, what would happen if you talk to Yuusuke and help him in Kyou's route? I thought you wouldn't be able to finish Kyou if you do that despite achieving her requirements. Or is it just me... -DGreater1		: I can still remember the hell Kyou gave me when I was playing her route... I time traveled over 15 times just to finish her route... And by the way... I used a guide to finish her route because she was really frying my brain out! Wahahaha! Anyway, what would happen if you talk to Yuusuke and help him in Kyou's route? I thought you wouldn't be able to finish Kyou if you do that despite achieving her requirements. Or is it just me... -DGreater1
	:: I believe helping Yuusuke unfortunately shifts the path to his route. Another route probably indirectly forgoes something in the same path, or it just takes you out of the path entirely. To me, anything prior to the 20th for the most part can coexist, but anything 20th and later quickly narrows down the routes. Don't know if the 21st is where singular routes come into play. -Amoirsp		:: I believe helping Yuusuke unfortunately shifts the path to his route. Another route probably indirectly forgoes something in the same path, or it just takes you out of the path entirely. To me, anything prior to the 20th for the most part can coexist, but anything 20th and later quickly narrows down the routes. Don't know if the 21st is where singular routes come into play. -Amoirsp

Amoirsp: Commentary was way too long.

2007-04-10T20:02:39Z

Commentary was way too long.

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	-I tested failing just one for each one, and I got the bad ending every time ~~(along with like every variation), so there is no mistaking it~~. ~~(Though I was sure I was able to not get~~ the ~~right gem~~ but ~~later realised I double mixed~~ the ~~gems~~, ~~thinking~~ the first ~~choice was~~ the ~~Amethyst thinking that Kyou was the Tanzanite, so I always picked the second choice unless aiming at a~~ Ryou ending~~.).~~ (~~Geh and to think priour to the 28th there were already several option choices that give you an earlier bad ending!~~ I ~~didn't realise how many things~~ you have to ~~do correctly, though fortunately it's somewhat straightforward.) Oh right, if you fail intF's 308,~~ 309~~, AND~~ 310 ~~(assuming everything else is correct)~~ ... ~~well no surprise that's~~ Ryou's ending, hahaha. This denotes that you're not supposed to split interest in the twins (ironically thinking that I elected not to select kiss Ryou and that screwed me over first time around not knowing where the heck I went wrong.)~~. Since~~ the ~~28th is the first of these patterns, note that picking short hair means you fail to get Kyou~~'s ~~ending in a different way~~, ~~since it's you get~~ Ryou~~'s path instead. But then~~, ~~if you pick everything else that would be Kyou's path after picking liking short hair actually denotes that you fail to achieve Ryou's ending. The biggest irony is that buying~~ the ~~Amethyst for 500 yen which is the right pick~~, ~~later causes you to expend 3990 more yen later~~. :P -Amoirsp		-I tested failing just one for each one, and I got the bad ending every time. Failing the first one puts you on a Ryou path, but doing everything else the Kyou way makes you fail Ryou's route, which ironically extends the days. Failing the first three togheter gives you the Ryou ending with ease (unlike Kyou's route, I believe you do have room to succeed either 309 or 310 ... which for Ryou's case would be failing.) Despite the +1's, Kyou requires all of them (while Ryou, reverse on the first three, requires gem and hair.) -Amoirsp
	: I can still remember the hell Kyou gave me when I was playing her route... I time traveled over 15 times just to finish her route... And by the way... I used a guide to finish her route because she was really frying my brain out! Wahahaha! Anyway, what would happen if you talk to Yuusuke and help him in Kyou's route? I thought you wouldn't be able to finish Kyou if you do that despite achieving her requirements. Or is it just me... -DGreater1		: I can still remember the hell Kyou gave me when I was playing her route... I time traveled over 15 times just to finish her route... And by the way... I used a guide to finish her route because she was really frying my brain out! Wahahaha! Anyway, what would happen if you talk to Yuusuke and help him in Kyou's route? I thought you wouldn't be able to finish Kyou if you do that despite achieving her requirements. Or is it just me... -DGreater1
	:: I believe helping Yuusuke unfortunately shifts the path to his route. ~~The analogy behind this is~~ probably ~~that Kyou is a route that's supposed to retain pure focus. It's not you failed to do her~~ path, ~~but~~ you ~~fell into another~~ path ~~that these choices are independent of~~. ~~Like~~, if you keep interacting with Tomoyo, I don't know if there's any route priority modifiers, but you simply fall into another route with additional choices, so you simply stray from the route, even if you did everything right, you might fail to ~~trigger~~ the ~~event due to assisting someone else. This is the same reason why~~ the ~~little note on Tomoyo becoming elected president of the student council~~ can ~~be done with interaction of just the 17th through the 19th (the general time when you can meet all or almost all the girls or other guys without really straying from some designated paths)~~, ~~however, the~~ 20th ~~is where you can designate things with that Sunday. I think this is how you meet Yuusuke~~ and~~/or Kappei~~. ~~I'll consider testing this, since usually I just go see Sunohara on the 20th instead of meeting Yuusuke or Kappei, but usually when I see Yuusuke, I don~~'t ~~see many paths left. Interesting to note that Kyou's route,~~ if ~~specifically focused, can involve just Tomoya, Sunohara, Kyou, and Ryou (aka no sign of any other characters, at all ... except random boys and girls and classmates. Ironically,~~ the ~~four characters are four you automatically meet regardless of the route, Nagisa and Misae being the other two.). My opinion of this route~~ is that struggling through the route is somewhat analogous to how much mental and emotional struggle there was (okay more like there's a bit too much Ryou, and despite it being Kyou's route, you probably learn more about Kyou during other paths.). Well, remember that helping someone else could make you enter that person's path, and merely skip the event of another (thus failing to do it correctly, an example being Kotomi's route requiring ditching, which is opposite of everyone else.). Of course I don't know all the triggers, but once you get isolated into a single path, there really is no other path you can attain (unless there is high similarity), so helping Yuusuke probably does this since you end up hanging out with him and Sunohara for many many scenes (reminds me of when I got the Mei ending the first time around without knowing anything by randomly clicking trying to get Kyou since Tomoyo never appeared, but I failed since I probably chucked Button at her since the selection had her name on it, or ditched class and met Kotomi incidentally). Funny how Kyou is practically in everyone else's route but almost nobody else is on Kyou's route. -Amoirsp		:: I believe helping Yuusuke unfortunately shifts the path to his route. Another route probably indirectly forgoes something in the same path, or it just takes you out of the path entirely. To me, anything prior to the 20th for the most part can coexist, but anything 20th and later quickly narrows down the routes. Don't know if the 21st is where singular routes come into play. -Amoirsp

Amoirsp: /* Requirements */

2007-04-10T19:40:39Z

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	-I tested failing just one for each one, and I got the bad ending every time (along with like every variation), so there is no mistaking it. (Though I was sure I was able to not get the right gem but later realised I double mixed the gems, thinking the first choice was the Amethyst thinking that Kyou was the Tanzanite, so I always picked the second choice unless aiming at a Ryou ending.). (Geh and to think priour to the 28th there were already several option choices that give you an earlier bad ending! I didn't realise how many things you have to do correctly, though fortunately it's somewhat straightforward.) -Amoirsp		-I tested failing just one for each one, and I got the bad ending every time (along with like every variation), so there is no mistaking it. (Though I was sure I was able to not get the right gem but later realised I double mixed the gems, thinking the first choice was the Amethyst thinking that Kyou was the Tanzanite, so I always picked the second choice unless aiming at a Ryou ending.). (Geh and to think priour to the 28th there were already several option choices that give you an earlier bad ending! I didn't realise how many things you have to do correctly, though fortunately it's somewhat straightforward.) Oh right, if you fail intF's 308, 309, AND 310 (assuming everything else is correct) ... well no surprise that's Ryou's ending, hahaha. This denotes that you're not supposed to split interest in the twins (ironically thinking that I elected not to select kiss Ryou and that screwed me over first time around not knowing where the heck I went wrong.). Since the 28th is the first of these patterns, note that picking short hair means you fail to get Kyou's ending in a different way, since it's you get Ryou's path instead. But then, if you pick everything else that would be Kyou's path after picking liking short hair actually denotes that you fail to achieve Ryou's ending. The biggest irony is that buying the Amethyst for 500 yen which is the right pick, later causes you to expend 3990 more yen later. :P -Amoirsp
	: I can still remember the hell Kyou gave me when I was playing her route... I time traveled over 15 times just to finish her route... And by the way... I used a guide to finish her route because she was really frying my brain out! Wahahaha! Anyway, what would happen if you talk to Yuusuke and help him in Kyou's route? I thought you wouldn't be able to finish Kyou if you do that despite achieving her requirements. Or is it just me... -DGreater1		: I can still remember the hell Kyou gave me when I was playing her route... I time traveled over 15 times just to finish her route... And by the way... I used a guide to finish her route because she was really frying my brain out! Wahahaha! Anyway, what would happen if you talk to Yuusuke and help him in Kyou's route? I thought you wouldn't be able to finish Kyou if you do that despite achieving her requirements. Or is it just me... -DGreater1
			:: I believe helping Yuusuke unfortunately shifts the path to his route. The analogy behind this is probably that Kyou is a route that's supposed to retain pure focus. It's not you failed to do her path, but you fell into another path that these choices are independent of. Like, if you keep interacting with Tomoyo, I don't know if there's any route priority modifiers, but you simply fall into another route with additional choices, so you simply stray from the route, even if you did everything right, you might fail to trigger the event due to assisting someone else. This is the same reason why the little note on Tomoyo becoming elected president of the student council can be done with interaction of just the 17th through the 19th (the general time when you can meet all or almost all the girls or other guys without really straying from some designated paths), however, the 20th is where you can designate things with that Sunday. I think this is how you meet Yuusuke and/or Kappei. I'll consider testing this, since usually I just go see Sunohara on the 20th instead of meeting Yuusuke or Kappei, but usually when I see Yuusuke, I don't see many paths left. Interesting to note that Kyou's route, if specifically focused, can involve just Tomoya, Sunohara, Kyou, and Ryou (aka no sign of any other characters, at all ... except random boys and girls and classmates. Ironically, the four characters are four you automatically meet regardless of the route, Nagisa and Misae being the other two.). My opinion of this route is that struggling through the route is somewhat analogous to how much mental and emotional struggle there was (okay more like there's a bit too much Ryou, and despite it being Kyou's route, you probably learn more about Kyou during other paths.). Well, remember that helping someone else could make you enter that person's path, and merely skip the event of another (thus failing to do it correctly, an example being Kotomi's route requiring ditching, which is opposite of everyone else.). Of course I don't know all the triggers, but once you get isolated into a single path, there really is no other path you can attain (unless there is high similarity), so helping Yuusuke probably does this since you end up hanging out with him and Sunohara for many many scenes (reminds me of when I got the Mei ending the first time around without knowing anything by randomly clicking trying to get Kyou since Tomoyo never appeared, but I failed since I probably chucked Button at her since the selection had her name on it, or ditched class and met Kotomi incidentally). Funny how Kyou is practically in everyone else's route but almost nobody else is on Kyou's route. -Amoirsp

Dgreater1: Comment

2007-04-10T18:50:36Z

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	-I tested failing just one for each one, and I got the bad ending every time (along with like every variation), so there is no mistaking it. (Though I was sure I was able to not get the right gem but later realised I double mixed the gems, thinking the first choice was the Amethyst thinking that Kyou was the Tanzanite, so I always picked the second choice unless aiming at a Ryou ending.). (Geh and to think priour to the 28th there were already several option choices that give you an earlier bad ending! I didn't realise how many things you have to do correctly, though fortunately it's somewhat straightforward.) -Amoirsp		-I tested failing just one for each one, and I got the bad ending every time (along with like every variation), so there is no mistaking it. (Though I was sure I was able to not get the right gem but later realised I double mixed the gems, thinking the first choice was the Amethyst thinking that Kyou was the Tanzanite, so I always picked the second choice unless aiming at a Ryou ending.). (Geh and to think priour to the 28th there were already several option choices that give you an earlier bad ending! I didn't realise how many things you have to do correctly, though fortunately it's somewhat straightforward.) -Amoirsp
			: I can still remember the hell Kyou gave me when I was playing her route... I time traveled over 15 times just to finish her route... And by the way... I used a guide to finish her route because she was really frying my brain out! Wahahaha! Anyway, what would happen if you talk to Yuusuke and help him in Kyou's route? I thought you wouldn't be able to finish Kyou if you do that despite achieving her requirements. Or is it just me... -DGreater1

Amoirsp: /* Requirements */

2007-04-10T18:40:57Z

Requirements

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	If you fail to meet '''any''' of these conditions, you ''will'' get the bad ending.		If you fail to meet '''any''' of these conditions, you ''will'' get the bad ending.


			-I tested failing just one for each one, and I got the bad ending every time (along with like every variation), so there is no mistaking it. (Though I was sure I was able to not get the right gem but later realised I double mixed the gems, thinking the first choice was the Amethyst thinking that Kyou was the Tanzanite, so I always picked the second choice unless aiming at a Ryou ending.). (Geh and to think priour to the 28th there were already several option choices that give you an earlier bad ending! I didn't realise how many things you have to do correctly, though fortunately it's somewhat straightforward.) -Amoirsp

Velocity7: /* Requirements */

2007-04-10T16:29:31Z

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	To pass the bad ending and head into SEEN3514, the following requirements must be fulfilled (according to the Kepago file):		To pass the bad ending and head into SEEN3514, the following requirements must be fulfilled (according to the Kepago file):

	intF[308]: Said you liked long hair on April 28		*intF[308]: Said you liked long hair on April 28
	intF[309]: Practiced kissing with Kyou on May 3		*intF[309]: Practiced kissing with Kyou on May 3
	intF[310]: Bought the Amethyst pendant on May 4		*intF[310]: Bought the Amethyst pendant on May 4
	intF[312]: Kissed Ryou on May 5		*intF[312]: Kissed Ryou on May 5
	intF[313]: Tried to stop Kyou on May 7		*intF[313]: Tried to stop Kyou on May 7

	If you fail to meet '''any''' of these conditions, you ''will'' get the bad ending.		If you fail to meet '''any''' of these conditions, you ''will'' get the bad ending.

Velocity7: Requirements

2007-04-10T16:29:16Z

Requirements

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== Requirements ==

To pass the bad ending and head into SEEN3514, the following requirements must be fulfilled (according to the Kepago file):

intF[308]: Said you liked long hair on April 28
intF[309]: Practiced kissing with Kyou on May 3
intF[310]: Bought the Amethyst pendant on May 4
intF[312]: Kissed Ryou on May 5
intF[313]: Tried to stop Kyou on May 7

If you fail to meet '''any''' of these conditions, you ''will'' get the bad ending.