Talk:Maria-sama ga Miteru:Format - Revision history

Leviticus: Preserving original text

2018-09-15T03:13:55Z

Preserving original text

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	In the ~~world of the Lillian Academy, Onee-sama has a specific usage~~.		<big><big>'''The following are the original formatting standards set by Seki.'''</big></big>

	~~Unlike normal schools, where you would refer to older girls you know as Onee~~-sama ~~and use ''name''-sama for closer acquaintances; within Lillian, the opposite is true.~~		==Maria-sama ga Miteru Specific Formatting==

	~~For distant acquaintances, you use ''name''~~-sama ~~(or San as necessary) in normal use. When addressing~~ the ~~Roses or their boutons, you would use Rosa Chinensis, Gigantea, or Foetida (en bouton) respectively~~. ~~Typically, only petite-s&oelig;urs would use Onee-sama (think~~ of it as a ~~title), and then only with their grande-s&oelig;ur. An exception~~ to ~~this would be when affectionately referring~~ to the ~~Roses, because they're seen as guiding~~ the ~~underclassmen~~. ~~Suffice to say~~, ~~"Onee-sama" carries~~ a ~~respectable amount of weight~~.		===Maria-sama, Gokigenyou===
			In both of these cases I decided to keep the Japanese iteration. Part of it was a friend bugging me to stay true to the fan iteration of the series. I presume it was kept this way in the anime. I deliberately changed it in the prologue, however, as that felt like a more aloof, realistic and, yeah, specific description.

	~~This is why Yumi always refers~~ to ~~Sachiko as Onee~~-~~sama~~, ~~while everyone else in her year calls her Sachiko~~-sama ~~or Rosa Chinensis (en bouton). Early on in their s&oelig;ur relationship~~, ~~Yumi uses Sachiko~~-~~sama~~, ~~and is eventually told:~~ "~~From now on,~~ if ~~you call me~~ '~~Sachiko-sama~~,' I ~~won~~'~~t reply~~."		In the same way, I decided to keep honorifics. -san, -sama, -sensei, unless they were intended to bring a point across "well aren't you a missy!" I don't know if I'll ever run across such an instance in this series, but I'm covering my bases with that heads-up.

	~~Hope~~ that ~~clears~~ up ~~any misunderstanding~~.		===Titles===
			I kept all of the French titles. Rosa Chinensis, Gigantea, Foetida and the en boutons, as well as Rosa Canina and any other specific titles that crop up. I also kept grande sœur, sœur and petite sœur as they were.

			Onee-samas is one I struggled with. In Japanese it is written お姉さま方, which is a plural way of saying onee-sama. Onee-sama, incidentally, I counted as a title, as it was a specific way of calling someone. Yumi always calls Sachiko onee-sama - in fact they have a little, cute spat about this. She never calls anyone else specifically onee-sama. In like kind, I felt the usage of onee-samas, the plural, similar. You only really see this usage when it is someone referring to the Roses, but not calling them "the Roses."

	~~JBV^_^~~		Imouto, however, I switched to little sister. I felt this was synonymous to senpai (upperclassmen), kouhai (underclassmen) and a broader usage of the word onee-sama (elder sisters).

			===Perspective===
			Most of the text is in third-person narrative, so I kept it that way. I've made sure as to keep as much of the text in this perspective, but the author had a tendency to switch into a very first-person-esque mode of speaking every now and then, so there's an abrupt switch into first-person for those moments.

			===Formality===
			I've done my best to make a distinction between when the characters are speaking formally and when they're not, but I'm not the best of speakers of "formal English." My guidelines are a bit rough, but I decided that, while it's a school for upper-class women, most of the students spoke quite casually to one another... particularly in the case of Yumi. Slang is out of the question, of course, but otherwise I kept her speech rather normal. A few characters, such as Rosa Gigantea, I had fun with, diving into slang and other such "immature" modes of speech, but for characters like Sachiko-sama (as well as certain "modes" for characters), I tried to maintain as formal an English as I could. This is definitely one I could use help on.

			===Words===
			There are a few recurring words that I ended up settling on. I'll add them to this list as I go.

			優雅 = Elegant.

			無垢 = Pure.

			華やか = Brilliant.

			結構 = Splendid.

			マリア様の心 = "Maria-sama's Soul."

			スール = Sœur.

Leviticus: touch up

2016-07-09T07:13:29Z

touch up

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	Unlike normal schools, where you would refer to older girls you know as Onee-sama and use ''name''-sama for closer acquaintances; within Lillian, the opposite is true.		Unlike normal schools, where you would refer to older girls you know as Onee-sama and use ''name''-sama for closer acquaintances; within Lillian, the opposite is true.

	For distant acquaintances, you use "name"-sama (or San as necessary) in normal use. When addressing the Roses or their boutons, you would use Rosa Chinensis, Gigantea, or Foetida (en bouton) respectively. Typically, only petite-~~soeurs~~ would use Onee-sama (think of it as a title), and then only with their ~~grand~~-~~soeur~~. An exception to this would be when affectionately referring to the Roses, because they're seen as guiding the underclassmen. Suffice to say, "Onee-sama" carries a respectable amount of weight.		For distant acquaintances, you use ''name''-sama (or San as necessary) in normal use. When addressing the Roses or their boutons, you would use Rosa Chinensis, Gigantea, or Foetida (en bouton) respectively. Typically, only petite-s&oelig;urs would use Onee-sama (think of it as a title), and then only with their grande-s&oelig;ur. An exception to this would be when affectionately referring to the Roses, because they're seen as guiding the underclassmen. Suffice to say, "Onee-sama" carries a respectable amount of weight.

	This is why Yumi always refers to Sachiko as Onee-sama, while everyone else in her year calls her Sachiko-sama or Rosa Chinensis (en bouton). Early on in their ~~soeur~~ relationship, Yumi uses Sachiko-sama, and is eventually told: "From now on, if you call me 'Sachiko-sama,' I won't reply."		This is why Yumi always refers to Sachiko as Onee-sama, while everyone else in her year calls her Sachiko-sama or Rosa Chinensis (en bouton). Early on in their s&oelig;ur relationship, Yumi uses Sachiko-sama, and is eventually told: "From now on, if you call me 'Sachiko-sama,' I won't reply."

	Hope that clears up any misunderstanding.		Hope that clears up any misunderstanding.

Leviticus: Sentence structure, spelling, clarification

2016-06-02T06:22:09Z

Sentence structure, spelling, clarification

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	Unlike normal schools, where you would refer to older girls you know as Onee-sama and use ''name''-sama for closer acquaintances; within Lillian, the opposite is true.		Unlike normal schools, where you would refer to older girls you know as Onee-sama and use ''name''-sama for closer acquaintances; within Lillian, the opposite is true.

	For distant acquaintances, you use "name"-sama (or San as necessary)in normal use ~~and "title"-sama when speaking to~~ the Roses ~~and~~ their bouton. ~~Only~~ petite-~~soeur~~ use Onee-sama (think of it as a title) and then only with their grand-soeur.		For distant acquaintances, you use "name"-sama (or San as necessary) in normal use. When addressing the Roses or their boutons, you would use Rosa Chinensis, Gigantea, or Foetida (en bouton) respectively. Typically, only petite-soeurs would use Onee-sama (think of it as a title), and then only with their grand-soeur. An exception to this would be when affectionately referring to the Roses, because they're seen as guiding the underclassmen. Suffice to say, "Onee-sama" carries a respectable amount of weight.

	This is why Yumi always refers to Sachiko as Onee-sama, while everyone else in her year ~~call~~ her Sachiko-sama or Rosa~~-chinensis~~ (en bouton). Early on in their soeur relationship, Yumi uses Sachiko-sama, and is told ~~'I won't respond~~ if you ~~don~~'~~t call Me Onee~~-sama!'		This is why Yumi always refers to Sachiko as Onee-sama, while everyone else in her year calls her Sachiko-sama or Rosa Chinensis (en bouton). Early on in their soeur relationship, Yumi uses Sachiko-sama, and is eventually told: "From now on, if you call me 'Sachiko-sama,' I won't reply."

	Hope that clears up any misunderstanding.		Hope that clears up any misunderstanding.

78.105.205.175: Use Of Onee-sama

2008-10-02T15:30:22Z

Use Of Onee-sama

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In the world of the Lillian Academy, Onee-sama has a specific usage.

Unlike normal schools, where you would refer to older girls you know as Onee-sama and use ''name''-sama for closer acquaintances; within Lillian, the opposite is true.

For distant acquaintances, you use "name"-sama (or San as necessary)in normal use and "title"-sama when speaking to the Roses and their bouton. Only petite-soeur use Onee-sama (think of it as a title) and then only with their grand-soeur.

This is why Yumi always refers to Sachiko as Onee-sama, while everyone else in her year call her Sachiko-sama or Rosa-chinensis (en bouton). Early on in their soeur relationship, Yumi uses Sachiko-sama, and is told 'I won't respond if you don't call Me Onee-sama!'

Hope that clears up any misunderstanding.

JBV^_^