Talk:Meeting:March302014 - Revision history

Simon at 17:01, 22 April 2014

2014-04-22T17:01:55Z

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	[15:53] <@Arisu-tan> yeah I got them from osakan, actually		[15:53] <@Arisu-tan> yeah I got them from osakan, actually
	[15:53] <Lery> Why does it turn that way ?		[15:53] <Lery> Why does it turn that way ?
	[15:53] <+Lord-Simon> Someone said Azusa ? ~~https://lolihouse.m-chan.org/d/45a697de8d/~~		[15:53] <+Lord-Simon> Someone said Azusa ?
	[15:54] <stellarroze> i hope you get buried under a mountain of asian traps!		[15:54] <stellarroze> i hope you get buried under a mountain of asian traps!
	[15:54] <Nurin> Oh simon		[15:54] <Nurin> Oh simon
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	[15:58] <Nurin> even if I don't die no matter what		[15:58] <Nurin> even if I don't die no matter what
	[15:58] <stellarroze> thank you my lord!		[15:58] <stellarroze> thank you my lord!
	~~[15:58] <+Lord-Simon> Nurin, do this: https://lolihouse.m-chan.org/f/0476c6c713/~~
	[15:58] <Nurin> feeding the dogs...		[15:58] <Nurin> feeding the dogs...
	[15:58] <Nurin> oh good		[15:58] <Nurin> oh good
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	[17:04] <stellarroze> wb nurin~		[17:04] <stellarroze> wb nurin~
	[17:04] <thelastguardian> Lery: which wiki skin are you using?		[17:04] <thelastguardian> Lery: which wiki skin are you using?
	~~[17:04] <+Lord-Simon> https://lolihouse.m-chan.org/f/8168bc0db4/~~
	[17:04] <Lery> Offtopic : Speaking of drive-by, there are nice attacks again old Android version which allow to gain root through visiting a page		[17:04] <Lery> Offtopic : Speaking of drive-by, there are nice attacks again old Android version which allow to gain root through visiting a page
	[17:04] <+Lord-Simon> loli skin		[17:04] <+Lord-Simon> loli skin

Cloudii: /* Complete Log of the Meeting */ added a little piece at end (the last thing TLG said, lol)

2014-03-31T04:50:26Z

Complete Log of the Meeting: added a little piece at end (the last thing TLG said, lol)

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 [19:38] <Misogi> The bug happened a while after that was added.
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Cthaeh: Since cloud made a placeholder for it, I'll add the evening log. Someone can double check if there's anything important missing at the end

2014-03-31T03:42:35Z

Since cloud made a placeholder for it, I'll add the evening log. Someone can double check if there's anything important missing at the end

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Cloudii: /* Complete Log of the Meeting */

2014-03-31T03:26:02Z

Complete Log of the Meeting

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			Complete Log of Evening Session is not yet available.

Cloudii: Reverted edits by Cloudii (talk) to last revision by Darkoneko

2014-03-30T18:22:20Z

Reverted edits by Cloudii (talk) to last revision by Darkoneko

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	~~==Overall Detailed Meeting Minutes==~~
	~~<div style="font-size:90%;border:1px solid black;padding:5px;">~~
	~~'''13:00 -''' Meeting started. TLG not in attendance. General consensus to wait 15 minutes for TLG to arrive.~~

	~~'''13:13 -''' DarkoNeko proposes that we discuss global rule changes, even if TLG is not in attendance.~~

	~~'''13:16 -''' Simon designated as the meeting Chairperson.~~		Meeting started

	~~'''13:17 -''' Cloudii proposes that the ''''1-week deadline to complete the first chapter of a new translation (or else face deletion) rule'''' be removed.~~

	~~:'''13:17 -''' Stellaroze suggests that the rule be extended to "1 month" instead.~~

	~~:'''13:19 -''' DarkoNeko calls for a vote: "Keep rule as is" (1 vote) - "Abolish rule" (5.5 votes) - "Extend to 1 month" (2.5 votes)~~

	~~:'''13:19 -''' Krytyk (the one dissenter) asks to delay the topic and consider the subject together with rules for Teaser Project creation~~

	~~'''13:21 -''' Discussion shifts to talk about '''New Full Project Creation Guidelines''' (particularly, Teaser Project Creation Guidelines)~~

	~~:'''[Comment] -''' Clarification: the original definition of a teaser project is: "Any project a translator translated a portion thereof, but had no intent to continue the project."~~

	:::'''[Summary] -''' Hayashi suggests that we should enforce this. Only projects that describe the above definition should be tagged as a Teaser Project, and projects that are picked up again should have the teaser tag removed.

	~~:::'''[Summary] -''' Kira082 points out the only way for a new unapproved translation to get visibility is to be classified in the Teaser Project category.~~

	:::'''[Summary] -''' Cloudii and Krytyk point out that most translators on the Wiki choose to tag all new projects as "Teaser Projects", regardless of their intent to continue translating (or not). Hence, from a practical standpoint, Teaser Projects no longer are perceived by the community as per its original intended definition. Furthermore, they observe <nowiki>{{Warning:ATP}}</nowiki> is no longer being tagged on most English Teaser projects.

	~~:::'''[Summary] -''' Zzhk points out that the deletion warning in [[template:Warning:ATP\|<nowiki>{{Warning:ATP}}</nowiki>]] is misleading, and should be changed.~~

	~~:'''13:25 -''' Cloudii proposes that all new projects, including teasers, be tagged with <nowiki>{{Warning:ATP}}</nowiki>, assuming the removal of one-week deadline portion of the tag.~~

	~~:'''13:31 -''' Krytyk proposes that we merge ATP with teasers and create a separate set of rules to govern the process.~~

	:'''13:33 -''' Kira082 proposes that the ATP tag should be placed only after a project meets the requirements to become a full project (Basically, just for the mods to approve the project), and the one-week deadline to be deleted.

	~~:'''15:36''' - Simon calls for a vote to remove the deadline in ATP, but it get's ignored... DarkoNeko also suggests that we move on to the next topic...~~

	~~:'''15:40''' - After significant support behind Kira's proposal, a vote is made on the follow clarification:~~
	~~<pre>1). Teaser tag is the default tag to be put on new project~~
	~~2). When the teaser reaches the requirements for full project, translator tags Pending~~
	~~3). Oni/DarkoNeko/Vaelis (or any other supervisor) approve</pre>~~
	~~::'''15:42''' - Vote tally: "In Favor" (13) - "Not in Favor" (0) --- '''<span style="color:red;">Resolved.</span>''' Note that this resolution implies the removal of the 1-week deadline rule.~~

	~~:'''15:44''' - Zzhk proposes that substandard pages (ie: pages with no translations) but subject to speedy deletion. However, general consensus is that a warning must be given first.~~

	~~''Summary to Continue...''~~
	~~</div>~~

	== Clarify Ambiguous (outdated) Baka-Tsuki guidelines. ==		== Clarify Ambiguous (outdated) Baka-Tsuki guidelines. ==

Cloudii at 18:20, 30 March 2014

2014-03-30T18:20:43Z

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			==Overall Detailed Meeting Minutes==
			<div style="font-size:90%;border:1px solid black;padding:5px;">
			'''13:00 -''' Meeting started. TLG not in attendance. General consensus to wait 15 minutes for TLG to arrive.

			'''13:13 -''' DarkoNeko proposes that we discuss global rule changes, even if TLG is not in attendance.

	~~Meeting started~~		'''13:16 -''' Simon designated as the meeting Chairperson.

			'''13:17 -''' Cloudii proposes that the ''''1-week deadline to complete the first chapter of a new translation (or else face deletion) rule'''' be removed.

			:'''13:17 -''' Stellaroze suggests that the rule be extended to "1 month" instead.

			:'''13:19 -''' DarkoNeko calls for a vote: "Keep rule as is" (1 vote) - "Abolish rule" (5.5 votes) - "Extend to 1 month" (2.5 votes)

			:'''13:19 -''' Krytyk (the one dissenter) asks to delay the topic and consider the subject together with rules for Teaser Project creation

			'''13:21 -''' Discussion shifts to talk about '''New Full Project Creation Guidelines''' (particularly, Teaser Project Creation Guidelines)

			:'''[Comment] -''' Clarification: the original definition of a teaser project is: "Any project a translator translated a portion thereof, but had no intent to continue the project."

			:::'''[Summary] -''' Hayashi suggests that we should enforce this. Only projects that describe the above definition should be tagged as a Teaser Project, and projects that are picked up again should have the teaser tag removed.

			:::'''[Summary] -''' Kira082 points out the only way for a new unapproved translation to get visibility is to be classified in the Teaser Project category.

			:::'''[Summary] -''' Cloudii and Krytyk point out that most translators on the Wiki choose to tag all new projects as "Teaser Projects", regardless of their intent to continue translating (or not). Hence, from a practical standpoint, Teaser Projects no longer are perceived by the community as per its original intended definition. Furthermore, they observe <nowiki>{{Warning:ATP}}</nowiki> is no longer being tagged on most English Teaser projects.

			:::'''[Summary] -''' Zzhk points out that the deletion warning in [[template:Warning:ATP\|<nowiki>{{Warning:ATP}}</nowiki>]] is misleading, and should be changed.

			:'''13:25 -''' Cloudii proposes that all new projects, including teasers, be tagged with <nowiki>{{Warning:ATP}}</nowiki>, assuming the removal of one-week deadline portion of the tag.

			:'''13:31 -''' Krytyk proposes that we merge ATP with teasers and create a separate set of rules to govern the process.

			:'''13:33 -''' Kira082 proposes that the ATP tag should be placed only after a project meets the requirements to become a full project (Basically, just for the mods to approve the project), and the one-week deadline to be deleted.

			:'''15:36''' - Simon calls for a vote to remove the deadline in ATP, but it get's ignored... DarkoNeko also suggests that we move on to the next topic...

			:'''15:40''' - After significant support behind Kira's proposal, a vote is made on the follow clarification:
			<pre>1). Teaser tag is the default tag to be put on new project
			2). When the teaser reaches the requirements for full project, translator tags Pending
			3). Oni/DarkoNeko/Vaelis (or any other supervisor) approve</pre>
			::'''15:42''' - Vote tally: "In Favor" (13) - "Not in Favor" (0) --- '''<span style="color:red;">Resolved.</span>''' Note that this resolution implies the removal of the 1-week deadline rule.

			:'''15:44''' - Zzhk proposes that substandard pages (ie: pages with no translations) but subject to speedy deletion. However, general consensus is that a warning must be given first.

			''Summary to Continue...''
			</div>

	== Clarify Ambiguous (outdated) Baka-Tsuki guidelines. ==		== Clarify Ambiguous (outdated) Baka-Tsuki guidelines. ==

Darkoneko: /* Complete Log of the Meeting */ I don't think we need the earlier part ^^;

2014-03-30T17:39:27Z

Complete Log of the Meeting: I don't think we need the earlier part ^^;

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Lery: /* Complete Log of the Meeting */

2014-03-30T17:15:56Z

Complete Log of the Meeting

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Darkoneko at 17:10, 30 March 2014

2014-03-30T17:10:38Z

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	Vote : approved.		Vote : approved.

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Simon at 16:53, 30 March 2014

2014-03-30T16:53:21Z

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