Talk:Spice & Wolf:Volume1 Prologue - Revision history

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Duncan at 22:37, 1 October 2008

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	: I skipped over the "{}" explanation before and didn't know that's furigana added by the author. Thought it's something you did on your own. I've read some manga in Japanese and, indeed, when katakana is used as furigana, the author tries to put a bit more emphasis on the word. --[[User:ShApEsHiFt3r\|ShApEsHiFt3r]] 04:01, 27 February 2008 (PST)		: I skipped over the "{}" explanation before and didn't know that's furigana added by the author. Thought it's something you did on your own. I've read some manga in Japanese and, indeed, when katakana is used as furigana, the author tries to put a bit more emphasis on the word. --[[User:ShApEsHiFt3r\|ShApEsHiFt3r]] 04:01, 27 February 2008 (PST)

			: True, but see my note above about animal names... -- [[User:Duncan\|Duncan]] 6:30 PM, 01 October 2008 (EST)

	Sadly, those things are now said as petty witticism, while almost nobody speaks them with the affection and fear of old.		Sadly, those things are now said as petty witticism, while almost nobody speaks them with the affection and fear of old.

Duncan at 22:35, 1 October 2008

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	: I don't want to put quotes in, because I think such quotes would correspond to 「」 (e.g. see what Lawrence says in the last para of page 22), which aren't present here. Reading it again, I think it refers to one wolf, in fact, '''the''' wolf, not many wolves, going by the katakana furigana next to 狼. I'm going with "it is said" as well. Rewritten it to reflect this, what do you think? -- [[User:AlephNull\|AlephNull]] 11:34, 18 February 2008 (PST)		: I don't want to put quotes in, because I think such quotes would correspond to 「」 (e.g. see what Lawrence says in the last para of page 22), which aren't present here. Reading it again, I think it refers to one wolf, in fact, '''the''' wolf, not many wolves, going by the katakana furigana next to 狼. I'm going with "it is said" as well. Rewritten it to reflect this, what do you think? -- [[User:AlephNull\|AlephNull]] 11:34, 18 February 2008 (PST)

	: The use of katakana here does not indicate emphasis, IMHO. In ~~japanese~~ animal names are usually written in katakana when they are written in kana, and this applies to furigana as well. This is my first edit (and my ~~sencond~~ try at it) so hopefully I got things right... -- [[User:Duncan\|Duncan]] 6:30 PM, 01 October 2008 (EST)		: The use of katakana here does not indicate emphasis, IMHO. In Japanese animal names are usually written in katakana when they are written in kana, and this applies to furigana as well. This is my first edit (and my second try at it) so hopefully I got things right... -- [[User:Duncan\|Duncan]] 6:30 PM, 01 October 2008 (EST)

	: I think you should try to rephrase the sentence a little bit so that it will sound a bit better. "To this village, the walk of a wolf is symbolyzed by the swaying of the rippened ears of wheat in the wind. Their swaying in appearance somewhat orchestras a wolf roaming inside the field. It is also said the trail of a wolf can be illustrated by the fallen wheat stalks ripped by the strong wind, while a wolf taking its share on the crops are shown by the poor harvest seasons." [[User:Anonymous\|Anonymous]] xx:xx, xx February 2008		: I think you should try to rephrase the sentence a little bit so that it will sound a bit better. "To this village, the walk of a wolf is symbolyzed by the swaying of the rippened ears of wheat in the wind. Their swaying in appearance somewhat orchestras a wolf roaming inside the field. It is also said the trail of a wolf can be illustrated by the fallen wheat stalks ripped by the strong wind, while a wolf taking its share on the crops are shown by the poor harvest seasons." [[User:Anonymous\|Anonymous]] xx:xx, xx February 2008

Duncan at 22:30, 1 October 2008

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	: I don't want to put quotes in, because I think such quotes would correspond to 「」 (e.g. see what Lawrence says in the last para of page 22), which aren't present here. Reading it again, I think it refers to one wolf, in fact, '''the''' wolf, not many wolves, going by the katakana furigana next to 狼. I'm going with "it is said" as well. Rewritten it to reflect this, what do you think? -- [[User:AlephNull\|AlephNull]] 11:34, 18 February 2008 (PST)		: I don't want to put quotes in, because I think such quotes would correspond to 「」 (e.g. see what Lawrence says in the last para of page 22), which aren't present here. Reading it again, I think it refers to one wolf, in fact, '''the''' wolf, not many wolves, going by the katakana furigana next to 狼. I'm going with "it is said" as well. Rewritten it to reflect this, what do you think? -- [[User:AlephNull\|AlephNull]] 11:34, 18 February 2008 (PST)

	: The use of katakana here does not indicate emphasis, IMHO. In japanese animal names are usually written in katakana when they are written in kana, and this applies to furigana as well. This is my first edit (and my sencond try at it) so hopefully I got things right... Duncan		: The use of katakana here does not indicate emphasis, IMHO. In japanese animal names are usually written in katakana when they are written in kana, and this applies to furigana as well. This is my first edit (and my sencond try at it) so hopefully I got things right... -- [[User:Duncan\|Duncan]] 6:30 PM, 01 October 2008 (EST)

	: I think you should try to rephrase the sentence a little bit so that it will sound a bit better. "To this village, the walk of a wolf is symbolyzed by the swaying of the rippened ears of wheat in the wind. Their swaying in appearance somewhat orchestras a wolf roaming inside the field. It is also said the trail of a wolf can be illustrated by the fallen wheat stalks ripped by the strong wind, while a wolf taking its share on the crops are shown by the poor harvest seasons." [[User:Anonymous\|Anonymous]] xx:xx, xx February 2008		: I think you should try to rephrase the sentence a little bit so that it will sound a bit better. "To this village, the walk of a wolf is symbolyzed by the swaying of the rippened ears of wheat in the wind. Their swaying in appearance somewhat orchestras a wolf roaming inside the field. It is also said the trail of a wolf can be illustrated by the fallen wheat stalks ripped by the strong wind, while a wolf taking its share on the crops are shown by the poor harvest seasons." [[User:Anonymous\|Anonymous]] xx:xx, xx February 2008

Duncan: Note on katakana and animal names in Japanese

2008-10-01T22:29:08Z

Note on katakana and animal names in Japanese

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	: I don't want to put quotes in, because I think such quotes would correspond to 「」 (e.g. see what Lawrence says in the last para of page 22), which aren't present here. Reading it again, I think it refers to one wolf, in fact, '''the''' wolf, not many wolves, going by the katakana furigana next to 狼. I'm going with "it is said" as well. Rewritten it to reflect this, what do you think? -- [[User:AlephNull\|AlephNull]] 11:34, 18 February 2008 (PST)		: I don't want to put quotes in, because I think such quotes would correspond to 「」 (e.g. see what Lawrence says in the last para of page 22), which aren't present here. Reading it again, I think it refers to one wolf, in fact, '''the''' wolf, not many wolves, going by the katakana furigana next to 狼. I'm going with "it is said" as well. Rewritten it to reflect this, what do you think? -- [[User:AlephNull\|AlephNull]] 11:34, 18 February 2008 (PST)

			: The use of katakana here does not indicate emphasis, IMHO. In japanese animal names are usually written in katakana when they are written in kana, and this applies to furigana as well. This is my first edit (and my sencond try at it) so hopefully I got things right... Duncan

	: I think you should try to rephrase the sentence a little bit so that it will sound a bit better. "To this village, the walk of a wolf is symbolyzed by the swaying of the rippened ears of wheat in the wind. Their swaying in appearance somewhat orchestras a wolf roaming inside the field. It is also said the trail of a wolf can be illustrated by the fallen wheat stalks ripped by the strong wind, while a wolf taking its share on the crops are shown by the poor harvest seasons." [[User:Anonymous\|Anonymous]] xx:xx, xx February 2008		: I think you should try to rephrase the sentence a little bit so that it will sound a bit better. "To this village, the walk of a wolf is symbolyzed by the swaying of the rippened ears of wheat in the wind. Their swaying in appearance somewhat orchestras a wolf roaming inside the field. It is also said the trail of a wolf can be illustrated by the fallen wheat stalks ripped by the strong wind, while a wolf taking its share on the crops are shown by the poor harvest seasons." [[User:Anonymous\|Anonymous]] xx:xx, xx February 2008

Seaghyn16: Edited by Krikit aka Seaghyn16

2008-07-02T03:13:02Z

Edited by Krikit aka Seaghyn16

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			UPDATE: Prologue is up and on the article page. Please feel free to read the edited revision. --[[User:Seaghyn16\|Krikit]] 20:13, 1 July 2008 (PDT)

	The pages posted here are a draft. I'm still learning Japanese and don't have much experience translating, would greatly appreciate it if more skilled people could review my work. In particular, there are many questions I have, both about the text as well as about Japanese in general, I'm hoping they could be answered here as well. Please feel free to discuss any part of the translation by inserting comments immediately below the relevant line, or at the bottom of each section. All comments, from broad stylistic suggestions down to nitpicks are welcome. I don't know whether such a discussion is manageable within the space of one wiki page, let's try this for a few days and see how it goes. Pages will be moved to the main article once they get sufficient review. Let's focus discussion on the first few pages so that they can be moved in sequence.		The pages posted here are a draft. I'm still learning Japanese and don't have much experience translating, would greatly appreciate it if more skilled people could review my work. In particular, there are many questions I have, both about the text as well as about Japanese in general, I'm hoping they could be answered here as well. Please feel free to discuss any part of the translation by inserting comments immediately below the relevant line, or at the bottom of each section. All comments, from broad stylistic suggestions down to nitpicks are welcome. I don't know whether such a discussion is manageable within the space of one wiki page, let's try this for a few days and see how it goes. Pages will be moved to the main article once they get sufficient review. Let's focus discussion on the first few pages so that they can be moved in sequence.

Onizuka-gto: rollback to registered user.

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rollback to registered user.

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	: Actually, I prefer the rhythm of 'The high autumn sky, so clear'. It fits closer to that of the text, and IMO better with the other two lines as they are now. Also, even if they both sounded equally good (and all other things equal), I'd prefer to stick with a translation that's closer to the original meaning and structure. And, er, I '''want''' much discussion. - [[User:AlephNull\|AlephNull]] 03:49, 29 February 2008 (PST)		: Actually, I prefer the rhythm of 'The high autumn sky, so clear'. It fits closer to that of the text, and IMO better with the other two lines as they are now. Also, even if they both sounded equally good (and all other things equal), I'd prefer to stick with a translation that's closer to the original meaning and structure. And, er, I '''want''' much discussion. - [[User:AlephNull\|AlephNull]] 03:49, 29 February 2008 (PST)

	~~== 'Tama ni Kizu' ==~~

	Tama ni kizu, in the fourth line of the Prologue, is an idiomatic expression meaning something to the effect of 'Flaws in a beautiful thing can be ignored'. So I think the author was trying to convey that the story of the wolf told by the villagers helped them to ignore or disregard any problems that came.

	~~Which also explains the 'shikashi' in the next line, meaning 'but' and therefore showing a contrast between what was said before and what will be said. Therefore Horo would be saying~~
	~~'This nice little story kept people content, even when there were problems they were just 'tama ni kizu', or so I thought.'~~

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	Tama ni kizu, in the fourth line of the Prologue, is an idiomatic expression meaning something to the effect of 'Flaws in a beautiful thing can be ignored'. So I think the author was trying to convey that the story of the wolf told by the villagers helped them to ignore or disregard any problems that came.		Tama ni kizu, in the fourth line of the Prologue, is an idiomatic expression meaning something to the effect of 'Flaws in a beautiful thing can be ignored'. So I think the author was trying to convey that the story of the wolf told by the villagers helped them to ignore or disregard any problems that came.

			Which also explains the 'shikashi' in the next line, meaning 'but' and therefore showing a contrast between what was said before and what will be said. Therefore Horo would be saying
			'This nice little story kept people content, even when there were problems they were just 'tama ni kizu', or so I thought.'

Onizuka-gto: Reverted edits by 71.115.240.242 (Talk); changed back to last version by 71.115.232.183

2008-06-21T01:49:13Z

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	Tama ni kizu, in the fourth line of the Prologue, is an idiomatic expression meaning something to the effect of 'Flaws in a beautiful thing can be ignored'. So I think the author was trying to convey that the story of the wolf told by the villagers helped them to ignore or disregard any problems that came.		Tama ni kizu, in the fourth line of the Prologue, is an idiomatic expression meaning something to the effect of 'Flaws in a beautiful thing can be ignored'. So I think the author was trying to convey that the story of the wolf told by the villagers helped them to ignore or disregard any problems that came.

	~~Which also explains the 'shikashi' in the next line, meaning 'but' and therefore showing a contrast between what was said before and what will be said. Therefore Horo would be saying~~
	~~'This nice little story kept people content, even when there were problems they were just 'tama ni kizu', or so I thought.'~~

71.115.240.242: /* 'Tama ni Kizu' */

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'Tama ni Kizu'

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	Tama ni kizu, in the fourth line of the Prologue, is an idiomatic expression meaning something to the effect of 'Flaws in a beautiful thing can be ignored'. So I think the author was trying to convey that the story of the wolf told by the villagers helped them to ignore or disregard any problems that came.		Tama ni kizu, in the fourth line of the Prologue, is an idiomatic expression meaning something to the effect of 'Flaws in a beautiful thing can be ignored'. So I think the author was trying to convey that the story of the wolf told by the villagers helped them to ignore or disregard any problems that came.

			Which also explains the 'shikashi' in the next line, meaning 'but' and therefore showing a contrast between what was said before and what will be said. Therefore Horo would be saying
			'This nice little story kept people content, even when there were problems they were just 'tama ni kizu', or so I thought.'

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	: I don't want to put quotes in, because I think such quotes would correspond to 「」 (e.g. see what Lawrence says in the last para of page 22), which aren't present here. Reading it again, I think it refers to one wolf, in fact, '''the''' wolf, not many wolves, going by the katakana furigana next to 狼. I'm going with "it is said" as well. Rewritten it to reflect this, what do you think? -- [[User:AlephNull\|AlephNull]] 11:34, 18 February 2008 (PST)		: I don't want to put quotes in, because I think such quotes would correspond to 「」 (e.g. see what Lawrence says in the last para of page 22), which aren't present here. Reading it again, I think it refers to one wolf, in fact, '''the''' wolf, not many wolves, going by the katakana furigana next to 狼. I'm going with "it is said" as well. Rewritten it to reflect this, what do you think? -- [[User:AlephNull\|AlephNull]] 11:34, 18 February 2008 (PST)

	: The use of katakana here does not indicate emphasis, IMHO. In ~~japanese~~ animal names are usually written in katakana when they are written in kana, and this applies to furigana as well. This is my first edit (and my ~~sencond~~ try at it) so hopefully I got things right... -- [[User:Duncan\|Duncan]] 6:30 PM, 01 October 2008 (EST)		: The use of katakana here does not indicate emphasis, IMHO. In Japanese animal names are usually written in katakana when they are written in kana, and this applies to furigana as well. This is my first edit (and my second try at it) so hopefully I got things right... -- [[User:Duncan\|Duncan]] 6:30 PM, 01 October 2008 (EST)

	: I think you should try to rephrase the sentence a little bit so that it will sound a bit better. "To this village, the walk of a wolf is symbolyzed by the swaying of the rippened ears of wheat in the wind. Their swaying in appearance somewhat orchestras a wolf roaming inside the field. It is also said the trail of a wolf can be illustrated by the fallen wheat stalks ripped by the strong wind, while a wolf taking its share on the crops are shown by the poor harvest seasons." [[User:Anonymous\|Anonymous]] xx:xx, xx February 2008		: I think you should try to rephrase the sentence a little bit so that it will sound a bit better. "To this village, the walk of a wolf is symbolyzed by the swaying of the rippened ears of wheat in the wind. Their swaying in appearance somewhat orchestras a wolf roaming inside the field. It is also said the trail of a wolf can be illustrated by the fallen wheat stalks ripped by the strong wind, while a wolf taking its share on the crops are shown by the poor harvest seasons." [[User:Anonymous\|Anonymous]] xx:xx, xx February 2008