Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume3 The Boredom of Suzumiya Haruhi - Revision history

89.164.59.170: /* Translator's and Editor's discussion */

2008-09-06T13:00:36Z

Translator's and Editor's discussion

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	--[[User:Da~Mike\|Da~Mike]] 19:03, 6 May 2006 (GMT)		--[[User:Da~Mike\|Da~Mike]] 19:03, 6 May 2006 (GMT)


			"If there were anything that truly belonged to us, then it would have to be the nine yellow loudspeakers Haruhi brought for us."
			Instead of "loudspeakers", this should be "megaphones", as a megaphone is specifically used to magnify a human voice.
			Also: "tropical savanna ant hill" - it's savannah, with an h at the end.

ChiTrunk at 03:29, 13 August 2006

2006-08-13T03:29:07Z

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	--[[User:Da~Mike\|Da~Mike]] 19:03, 6 May 2006 (GMT)		--[[User:Da~Mike\|Da~Mike]] 19:03, 6 May 2006 (GMT)

	~~== Baseball Jargon ==~~

	~~I don't know any Japanese, but the baseball lingo is a bit off. If in Japanese the text is meant to portray that Kyon doesn't know squat about baseball, then disregard this completely.~~

	When talking about pitches, 'throwing a fair ball' is used for what would be called a throwing a strike in english while 'foul ball' refers to a what one would just call a ball. The use the word 'strikeout' seems to refer to any out (since a ball picked up by the third baseman and thrown presumably to first is also called a 'strikeout'). And the word 'strike' as in striking the ball to right field would usually be written as a hit or hitting the ball to right field. People also usually have hit a homerun rather than 'made' a homerun. I'm happy to make appropriate changes if the misuse of baseball language was not intentional.

ChiTrunk: /* Baseball Jargon */

2006-08-08T04:50:17Z

Baseball Jargon

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	== Baseball Jargon ==		== Baseball Jargon ==

	I don't know any Japanese, but the baseball lingo is a bit off. If in Japanese the text is ~~mean~~ to portray that Kyon doesn't know squat about baseball, then disregard this completely.		I don't know any Japanese, but the baseball lingo is a bit off. If in Japanese the text is meant to portray that Kyon doesn't know squat about baseball, then disregard this completely.

	When talking about pitches, 'throwing a fair ball' is used for what would be called a throwing a strike in english while 'foul ball' refers to a what one would just call a ball. The use the word 'strikeout' seems to refer to any out (since a ball picked up by the third baseman and thrown presumably to first is also called a 'strikeout'). And the word 'strike' as in striking the ball to right field would usually be written as a hit or hitting the ball to right field. People also usually have hit a homerun rather than 'made' a homerun. I'm happy to make appropriate changes if the misuse of baseball language was not intentional.		When talking about pitches, 'throwing a fair ball' is used for what would be called a throwing a strike in english while 'foul ball' refers to a what one would just call a ball. The use the word 'strikeout' seems to refer to any out (since a ball picked up by the third baseman and thrown presumably to first is also called a 'strikeout'). And the word 'strike' as in striking the ball to right field would usually be written as a hit or hitting the ball to right field. People also usually have hit a homerun rather than 'made' a homerun. I'm happy to make appropriate changes if the misuse of baseball language was not intentional.

ChiTrunk: /* Baseball Jargon */

2006-08-08T04:48:12Z

Baseball Jargon

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	I don't know any Japanese, but the baseball lingo is a bit off. If in Japanese the text is mean to portray that Kyon doesn't know squat about baseball, then disregard this completely.		I don't know any Japanese, but the baseball lingo is a bit off. If in Japanese the text is mean to portray that Kyon doesn't know squat about baseball, then disregard this completely.

	When talking about pitches, 'throwing a fair ball' is used for what would be called a throwing a strike or in english while 'foul ball' refers to a what one would just call a ball. The use the word 'strikeout' seems to refer to any out (since a ball picked up by the third baseman and thrown presumably to first is also called a 'strikeout'). And the word 'strike' as in striking the ball to right field would usually be written as a hit or hitting the ball to right field. People also usually have hit a homerun rather than 'made' a homerun. I'm happy to make appropriate changes if the misuse of baseball language was not intentional.		When talking about pitches, 'throwing a fair ball' is used for what would be called a throwing a strike in english while 'foul ball' refers to a what one would just call a ball. The use the word 'strikeout' seems to refer to any out (since a ball picked up by the third baseman and thrown presumably to first is also called a 'strikeout'). And the word 'strike' as in striking the ball to right field would usually be written as a hit or hitting the ball to right field. People also usually have hit a homerun rather than 'made' a homerun. I'm happy to make appropriate changes if the misuse of baseball language was not intentional.

ChiTrunk: Baseball Jargon

2006-08-08T04:47:35Z

Baseball Jargon

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	--[[User:Da~Mike\|Da~Mike]] 19:03, 6 May 2006 (GMT)		--[[User:Da~Mike\|Da~Mike]] 19:03, 6 May 2006 (GMT)

			== Baseball Jargon ==

			I don't know any Japanese, but the baseball lingo is a bit off. If in Japanese the text is mean to portray that Kyon doesn't know squat about baseball, then disregard this completely.

			When talking about pitches, 'throwing a fair ball' is used for what would be called a throwing a strike or in english while 'foul ball' refers to a what one would just call a ball. The use the word 'strikeout' seems to refer to any out (since a ball picked up by the third baseman and thrown presumably to first is also called a 'strikeout'). And the word 'strike' as in striking the ball to right field would usually be written as a hit or hitting the ball to right field. People also usually have hit a homerun rather than 'made' a homerun. I'm happy to make appropriate changes if the misuse of baseball language was not intentional.

BlckKnght: Created a "translator's notes" section, and put in one for "Koushien"

2006-05-08T02:17:20Z

Created a "translator's notes" section, and put in one for "Koushien"

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	~~I had to make HUGE edits, with frequent reference to the original Japanese text.~~		== Translator's Notes ==

			=== Koushien ===

			Koushien is the short name for two high profile High School baseball tournaments that take place in Japan durring the spring and summer of each year. The tournaments are played in Hanshin Koushin Stadium in the Koushin district of Nishinomiya, Hyogo Prefecture, Japan.

	~~'''First paragraph~~:~~'''~~		For more information, see Wikipedia entries for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koshien_Stadium Koshien Stadium] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_school_baseball_in_Japan High School Baseball in Japan].

	''~~"Haruhi announced with the same enthusiasm as a baseball team representative who drew an easy match in the high school baseball tournament"''~~		== Translator's and Editor's discussion ==

	~~The text uses "Koushien" instead of tournament. Koushien is the big stadium that all those high school baseball players aspire~~ to~~. It also compares Haruhi~~ to ~~a captain instead of a representative~~.		I had to make HUGE edits, with frequent reference to the original Japanese text.

Da~Mike at 21:48, 6 May 2006

2006-05-06T21:48:00Z

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	In my opinion, Haruhi's response should be something like this: "It is! Don't you think?"		In my opinion, Haruhi's response should be something like this: "It is! Don't you think?"

	* Next paragraph. Mikuru: 「そそ、そんなぁ～」		* Next paragraph. Mikuru: 「そそ、そんなぁ～」(by the way, this is read as "Ee, sonnaa~")
	半泣きになりつつ生真面目に言いつけを守っているのだった。 -> this sentence is a nightmare to me...		半泣きになりつつ生真面目に言いつけを守っているのだった。 -> this sentence is a nightmare to me...
	I can extract bits like "half-crying" and something along the lines "something seriously" and "protected".		I can extract bits like "half-crying" and something along the lines "something seriously" and "protected".

Da~Mike: typo errors .etc

2006-05-06T18:09:09Z

typo errors .etc

Da~Mike: post

2006-05-06T18:04:07Z

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 Next paragraph about the nurse outfit, I inserted Mikuru's name which was missing from the translation, clearing up ambiguity.
 ''“This kind of matter doesn’t need any reason.” ''
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 ----[[User:Eleutheria|Eleutheria]] 00:41, 6 May 2006 (PDT)(Mood: Unhappy)

BlckKnght: angelic vs glamorous

2006-05-06T08:48:13Z

angelic vs glamorous

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	I have no idea where this came from. The text just says that her small body and face suit her, but Kyon knows that she's really glamorous (guramarasu). I'm all for capturing the original spirit of the text, but this may be taking it a bit too far.		I have no idea where this came from. The text just says that her small body and face suit her, but Kyon knows that she's really glamorous (guramarasu). I'm all for capturing the original spirit of the text, but this may be taking it a bit too far.

			:Is "glamorous" supposed to be in contrast the the "angelic" descriptions in the previous sentances? That has been lost in your edits. I've not changed anything for now, but perhaps you (or someone else with a copy of the novel) could take another look at it?
			:--[[User:BlckKnght\|BlckKnght]] 01:48, 6 May 2006 (PDT)

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	* First Paragragh		* First Paragragh

	Anyone who knows something about Japanese culture will know what Koshien is to the baseball zealots of Japan (and that's quite a lot of zealots mind you!). However, to prevent others who ~~are~~ not as familiar with Japanese culture as some of us are, a translation note should be added to inform them that it is both a stadium and the nickname for the national baseball tournament for schools in Japan.		Anyone who knows something about Japanese culture will know what Koshien is to the baseball zealots of Japan (and that's quite a lot of zealots mind you!). However, to prevent others from getting confused (who may not be as familiar with Japanese culture as some of us are), a translation note should be added to inform them that it is both a stadium and the nickname for the national baseball tournament for schools in Japan.
	Regarding the choice of "captain" over "representative", every baseball team has a captain (as most sports do) and seing as how Haruhi intuitively self-appoints herself as the leader of anything the SOS Brigade does (and based on the anime which covered this chapter), captain should be the obvious choice.		Regarding the choice of "captain" over "representative", every baseball team has a captain (as most sports do) and seing as how Haruhi intuitively self-appoints herself as the leader of anything the SOS Brigade does (and based on the anime which covered this chapter), captain should be the obvious choice.

	* About Mikuru		* About Mikuru

	I personally dislike interpretations that stray too far from the original meaning. While it is true that most of us have already conceived the character Mikuru as the "buxom angel in distress", if the source material states (especially in katakana) that he thought Mikuru to be "glamorous", then I think it should be translated that way.		I personally dislike interpretations that stray too far from the original meaning. While it is true that most of us have already conceived a mental idea of the character Mikuru as the "buxom angel in distress", if the source material states (especially in katakana) that Kyon thought Mikuru to be "glamorous", then I think it should be translated that way.

	*"This kind of matter doesn’t need any reason."		*"This kind of matter doesn’t need any reason."
	That particular phrase (「ねーよ、んなもん」) is definitely '''not''' Kyon's.		That particular phrase (「ねーよ、んなもん」) is definitely '''not''' Kyon's.
	What gives this sentence away is the use of "ねーよ" which is approximately "wa - yo". The "wa" is almost exclusively reserved for female speakers and the combination of "wa" and "yo" is even more so. You could appropriately compare this to "desu - yo" often pronounced by female speakers as "desshou", which means something of the lines of "Don't you think?".		What gives this sentence away is the use of "ねーよ" which is approximately "wa - yo". The "wa" is almost exclusively reserved for female speakers and the combination of "wa" and "yo" is even more so. You could appropriately compare this to "desu - yo", which is often pronounced by female speakers as "desshou", which means something of the lines of "Don't you think?".

	In my opinion, Haruhi's response should be something like this: "It is! Don't you think?"		In my opinion, Haruhi's response should be something like this: "It is! Don't you think?"
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	Lastly, this sentence is somewhat confusing... Simply put, I can hardly understand the point of it without the explanation of what the arrow is meant to be. Currently, it appears that the speculation is Haruhi's and the point of making a reference to a target board and going through it isn't very clear.		Lastly, this sentence is somewhat confusing... Simply put, I can hardly understand the point of it without the explanation of what the arrow is meant to be. Currently, it appears that the speculation is Haruhi's and the point of making a reference to a target board and going through it isn't very clear.

	I think it may require a bit of structural upheaval for it to be less ambiguous.		I think it may require a bit of structural upheaval for it to be less ambiguous.

	Hope that helps.		Hope that helps.


	--[[User:Da~Mike\|Da~Mike]] 19:03, 6 May 2006 (GMT)		--[[User:Da~Mike\|Da~Mike]] 19:03, 6 May 2006 (GMT)