Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume6 Charmed at First Sight LOVER - Revision history

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	:But it doesn't say "Aren't you the tomcat?" どっちがトムキャットだ [docchi ga TOMUKYATTO da] litterally "Which one is the tomcat?" [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 06:44, 26 January 2007 (PST)		:But it doesn't say "Aren't you the tomcat?" どっちがトムキャットだ [docchi ga TOMUKYATTO da] litterally "Which one is the tomcat?" [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 06:44, 26 January 2007 (PST)

			I feel like Kyon means something along the lines of "who's the tomcat here, me or you?" I mean, Koizumi has just suggested, in so many words, that Kyon could mess around with Suzumiya. Kyon's "which one is the tomcat?" could have an understated "of us" and mean "I'm not the one with the reputation, you are!" -- Scifantasy, July 2, 2008

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Smidge204: /* Tomcat */

2007-01-26T14:44:06Z

Tomcat

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	While plausible, I take a different line from Smidge on this. I read it as, "Aren't you the tomcat?" (meaning, not necessarily the words.) Kyon shows no signs at all of homophobia, he doesn't make intrusive personal attacks, and in general the characters seem very respectful of personal privacy. Koizumi's "tomcatting" is "on the table" between Kyon and Koizumi, but the limits of his sexuality aren't. So the meaning becomes, "why don't '''you''' mess around with her?" rather than, "so you're not enough of a man?" Of course the ambiguity on this point could be intentional, making both of us correct. Still, "Aren't you..." might be preferable as it is easier for the English reader to follow.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 06:59, 25 January 2007 (PST)		While plausible, I take a different line from Smidge on this. I read it as, "Aren't you the tomcat?" (meaning, not necessarily the words.) Kyon shows no signs at all of homophobia, he doesn't make intrusive personal attacks, and in general the characters seem very respectful of personal privacy. Koizumi's "tomcatting" is "on the table" between Kyon and Koizumi, but the limits of his sexuality aren't. So the meaning becomes, "why don't '''you''' mess around with her?" rather than, "so you're not enough of a man?" Of course the ambiguity on this point could be intentional, making both of us correct. Still, "Aren't you..." might be preferable as it is easier for the English reader to follow.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 06:59, 25 January 2007 (PST)

			:But it doesn't say "Aren't you the tomcat?" どっちがトムキャットだ [docchi ga TOMUKYATTO da] litterally "Which one is the tomcat?" [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 06:44, 26 January 2007 (PST)

	== taking or giving dictation ==		== taking or giving dictation ==

Smidge204: /* Barbed fence */

2007-01-26T14:34:50Z

Barbed fence

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	The fence would seem to be a "chain link" fence. It's certainly not a three strand "barbed wire" fence of the sort used for containing livestock. Chain link fences are sometimes topped with barbed wire. However, the top of the fence doesn't factor at all in this story. If no one objects, I'll change all references to "chain link."--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 10:35, 25 January 2007 (PST)		The fence would seem to be a "chain link" fence. It's certainly not a three strand "barbed wire" fence of the sort used for containing livestock. Chain link fences are sometimes topped with barbed wire. However, the top of the fence doesn't factor at all in this story. If no one objects, I'll change all references to "chain link."--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 10:35, 25 January 2007 (PST)

			:It's referring to a fence with barbed wire along the top. [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 06:34, 26 January 2007 (PST)

	== Football fixes ==		== Football fixes ==

	I have taken some liberties with the football scene as I found it, making Kyon's description coherent as both a football play and as physics, since there's no obvious point to incoherence. Someone with access to the original may want to make another pass to tweak it back toward the author's intent/word choice.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 18:51, 25 January 2007 (PST)		I have taken some liberties with the football scene as I found it, making Kyon's description coherent as both a football play and as physics, since there's no obvious point to incoherence. Someone with access to the original may want to make another pass to tweak it back toward the author's intent/word choice.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 18:51, 25 January 2007 (PST)

Nutcase: /* taking or giving dictation */

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taking or giving dictation

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	Subbing 'transcribe' or 'record' for 'dictate' solves the problem one way, subbing 'read' solves it another. One could also put in 'communicate.'What is closer to the sense of the original Japanese?--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 06:59, 25 January 2007 (PST)		Subbing 'transcribe' or 'record' for 'dictate' solves the problem one way, subbing 'read' solves it another. One could also put in 'communicate.'What is closer to the sense of the original Japanese?--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 06:59, 25 January 2007 (PST)

			Reading further, "dictate" is used to mean "read aloud" rather than transcribe. Without objection soon, I will edit accordingly and delete this comment.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 06:06, 26 January 2007 (PST)

	== Barbed fence ==		== Barbed fence ==

Nutcase: /* Football fixes */

2007-01-26T02:51:38Z

Football fixes

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	== Football fixes ==		== Football fixes ==

	I have taken some liberties with the football scene as I found it, making Kyon's description coherent as both a football play and as physics, since there's no obvious point to incoherence. Someone with access to the original may want to make another pass to tweak it back toward the author's intent/word choice.		I have taken some liberties with the football scene as I found it, making Kyon's description coherent as both a football play and as physics, since there's no obvious point to incoherence. Someone with access to the original may want to make another pass to tweak it back toward the author's intent/word choice.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 18:51, 25 January 2007 (PST)

Nutcase: Football fixes

2007-01-26T02:51:19Z

Football fixes

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	The fence would seem to be a "chain link" fence. It's certainly not a three strand "barbed wire" fence of the sort used for containing livestock. Chain link fences are sometimes topped with barbed wire. However, the top of the fence doesn't factor at all in this story. If no one objects, I'll change all references to "chain link."--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 10:35, 25 January 2007 (PST)		The fence would seem to be a "chain link" fence. It's certainly not a three strand "barbed wire" fence of the sort used for containing livestock. Chain link fences are sometimes topped with barbed wire. However, the top of the fence doesn't factor at all in this story. If no one objects, I'll change all references to "chain link."--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 10:35, 25 January 2007 (PST)

			== Football fixes ==

			I have taken some liberties with the football scene as I found it, making Kyon's description coherent as both a football play and as physics, since there's no obvious point to incoherence. Someone with access to the original may want to make another pass to tweak it back toward the author's intent/word choice.

Nutcase: /* Barbed fence */

2007-01-25T18:35:53Z

Barbed fence

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	"Barbed fence" isn't idiomatic in American English, but maybe it is in English English.		"Barbed fence" isn't idiomatic in American English, but maybe it is in English English.

	The fence would seem to be a "chain link" fence. It's certainly not a three strand "barbed wire" fence of the sort used for containing livestock. Chain link fences are sometimes topped with barbed wire. However, the top of the fence doesn't factor at all in this story. If no one objects, I'll change all references to "chain link."--[[User:~~71.111.177.82~~\|~~71.111.177.82~~]] 10:34, 25 January 2007 (PST)		The fence would seem to be a "chain link" fence. It's certainly not a three strand "barbed wire" fence of the sort used for containing livestock. Chain link fences are sometimes topped with barbed wire. However, the top of the fence doesn't factor at all in this story. If no one objects, I'll change all references to "chain link."--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 10:35, 25 January 2007 (PST)

71.111.177.82: Barbed fence

2007-01-25T18:34:20Z

Barbed fence

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	Subbing 'transcribe' or 'record' for 'dictate' solves the problem one way, subbing 'read' solves it another. One could also put in 'communicate.'What is closer to the sense of the original Japanese?--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 06:59, 25 January 2007 (PST)		Subbing 'transcribe' or 'record' for 'dictate' solves the problem one way, subbing 'read' solves it another. One could also put in 'communicate.'What is closer to the sense of the original Japanese?--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 06:59, 25 January 2007 (PST)

			== Barbed fence ==

			"Barbed fence" isn't idiomatic in American English, but maybe it is in English English.

			The fence would seem to be a "chain link" fence. It's certainly not a three strand "barbed wire" fence of the sort used for containing livestock. Chain link fences are sometimes topped with barbed wire. However, the top of the fence doesn't factor at all in this story. If no one objects, I'll change all references to "chain link."--[[User:71.111.177.82\|71.111.177.82]] 10:34, 25 January 2007 (PST)

Nutcase: /* Tomcat */

2007-01-25T15:43:50Z

Tomcat

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	:Considering the context, I think Kyon is asking (sarcastically) who Koizumi's boyfriend is. [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 07:04, 9 January 2007 (PST)		:Considering the context, I think Kyon is asking (sarcastically) who Koizumi's boyfriend is. [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 07:04, 9 January 2007 (PST)

	While plausible, I take a different line from Smidge on this. I read it as, "Aren't you the tomcat?" (meaning, not necessarily the words.) Kyon shows no signs at all of homophobia, he doesn't make intrusive personal attacks, and in general the characters seem very respectful of personal privacy. Koizumi's "tomcatting" is "on the table" between Kyon and Koizumi, but the ~~limit~~ of his sexuality aren't. So the meaning becomes, "why don't '''you''' mess around with her?" rather than, "so you're not enough of a man?" Of course the ambiguity on this point could be intentional, making both of us correct. Still, "Aren't you..." might be preferable as it is easier for the English reader to follow.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 06:59, 25 January 2007 (PST)		While plausible, I take a different line from Smidge on this. I read it as, "Aren't you the tomcat?" (meaning, not necessarily the words.) Kyon shows no signs at all of homophobia, he doesn't make intrusive personal attacks, and in general the characters seem very respectful of personal privacy. Koizumi's "tomcatting" is "on the table" between Kyon and Koizumi, but the limits of his sexuality aren't. So the meaning becomes, "why don't '''you''' mess around with her?" rather than, "so you're not enough of a man?" Of course the ambiguity on this point could be intentional, making both of us correct. Still, "Aren't you..." might be preferable as it is easier for the English reader to follow.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 06:59, 25 January 2007 (PST)

	== taking or giving dictation ==		== taking or giving dictation ==

Nutcase at 14:59, 25 January 2007

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	I also have no idea what this means...		I also have no idea what this means...
	:Considering the context, I think Kyon is asking (sarcastically) who Koizumi's boyfriend is. [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 07:04, 9 January 2007 (PST)		:Considering the context, I think Kyon is asking (sarcastically) who Koizumi's boyfriend is. [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 07:04, 9 January 2007 (PST)

			While plausible, I take a different line from Smidge on this. I read it as, "Aren't you the tomcat?" (meaning, not necessarily the words.) Kyon shows no signs at all of homophobia, he doesn't make intrusive personal attacks, and in general the characters seem very respectful of personal privacy. Koizumi's "tomcatting" is "on the table" between Kyon and Koizumi, but the limit of his sexuality aren't. So the meaning becomes, "why don't '''you''' mess around with her?" rather than, "so you're not enough of a man?" Of course the ambiguity on this point could be intentional, making both of us correct. Still, "Aren't you..." might be preferable as it is easier for the English reader to follow.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 06:59, 25 January 2007 (PST)

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	This doesn't quite make sense. Nakagawa dictates to Kyon, Kyon transcribes. later, Kyon reads to Nagato. What he doesn't do is 'dictate.'		This doesn't quite make sense. Nakagawa dictates to Kyon, Kyon transcribes. later, Kyon reads to Nagato. What he doesn't do is 'dictate.'

	Subbing 'transcribe' or 'record' for 'dictate' solves the problem one way, subbing 'read' solves it another. One could also put in 'communicate.'What is closer to the sense of the original Japanese?		Subbing 'transcribe' or 'record' for 'dictate' solves the problem one way, subbing 'read' solves it another. One could also put in 'communicate.'What is closer to the sense of the original Japanese?--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 06:59, 25 January 2007 (PST)