Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume7 Chapter 2 - Revision history

LyricalAura: /* "That won't flatter anymore." */

2008-03-18T23:27:17Z

"That won't flatter anymore."

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	::Okay, I can see that interpretation, but the English is still opaque. I suppose the author may have intended the remark to be opaque, coming from Yuki. Words are an imperfect medium of communication.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 08:05, 3 February 2007 (PST)		::Okay, I can see that interpretation, but the English is still opaque. I suppose the author may have intended the remark to be opaque, coming from Yuki. Words are an imperfect medium of communication.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 08:05, 3 February 2007 (PST)

			:"好きにする" means "to do as one likes", so it seems to me that the most sensible interpretation would be "I won't allow them to do as they please." [[User:LyricalAura\|LyricalAura]] 16:27, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

	== Kyon, Mikuru, Tsuruya scene setting ==		== Kyon, Mikuru, Tsuruya scene setting ==

Nutcase: /* Is it really supposed to be this murky? */

2007-02-26T17:18:14Z

Is it really supposed to be this murky?

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	--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 07:49, 4 February 2007 (PST)		--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 07:49, 4 February 2007 (PST)

	~~== Is it really supposed to be this murky? ==~~

	~~I'm looking at this speech by Koizumi:~~


	"There's a reason for not letting her know. Because if a time traveller finds out they're part of a big plot, all they have to do is analyze it and make a move. Because she wouldn't do anything to harm her future self. Asahina-san is a time traveller yet is very unknowledgeable. That's because she actually doesn't know much at all. We can only say they don't want to let her know. That's the future's countermeasure, so we of the past cannot analyze what will happen. So, this time period needs her here. But if you just take her actual self and stick it here, it will be very troublesome. From what I can see, she's at a good time. I don't feel like she's being threatened right now, but if the time comes, I will just treat her as if she's my subject."

	~~I read the intent like this:~~


	"There's a reason for not letting her know. Because if a time traveler '''knows''' they're part of a big plot, all '''the future''' has to do is '''pass back instructions'''. Because she wouldn't do anything to harm her future self. Asahina-san is a time traveler yet is very unknowledgeable. That's because she actually doesn't '''need to''' know much at all. We can only say they don't want to let her know. That's the future's countermeasure, so we of the past cannot get at what will happen. This time period needs her '''to do things here''', but if you just take her '''future, knowledgeable''' self and stick it here, it will be very troublesome. From what I can see, she's at a good time. I don't feel like she's being threatened right now, but if the time comes, I will just treat her as if she's my subject."

	In other words, the point here is that Asahina is protected from attack by those wanting a handle on the future by her ignorance, and Asahina (Big) is knows to much to risk the necessary exposure to handle this situation. Thus, two ignorant Asahina (little.)--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 10:41, 4 February 2007 (PST)

	:Your proposed edit actually makes ''less'' sense than the original. You are making it imply that "the future" (collectively the group of people responsible for sending Mikuru back in time on a mission) have kept Mikuru ignorant out of either malice or selfishness, using her only as a tool to their own ends. Koizumi's speech suggests that Mikuru is kept ignorant for her own sake as well as for those who live in the past (e.g. Kyon and the others) and also allowing her the appropriate freedom to act "natural" without getting hung up on the consequences.

	:This draws strong parallels with Yuki and her situation - she was, at least until a certain part of the story, able to synchronize with herself from different time periods, and effectively know the future. This was apparently quite troubling for her and lead to some pretty severe consequences. The only edit I think is suitable for this paragraph is fixing the word "traveler" (spelling) [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 16:53, 4 February 2007 (PST)

Smidge204: /* Is it really supposed to be this murky? */

2007-02-05T00:53:51Z

Is it really supposed to be this murky?

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	In other words, the point here is that Asahina is protected from attack by those wanting a handle on the future by her ignorance, and Asahina (Big) is knows to much to risk the necessary exposure to handle this situation. Thus, two ignorant Asahina (little.)--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 10:41, 4 February 2007 (PST)		In other words, the point here is that Asahina is protected from attack by those wanting a handle on the future by her ignorance, and Asahina (Big) is knows to much to risk the necessary exposure to handle this situation. Thus, two ignorant Asahina (little.)--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 10:41, 4 February 2007 (PST)

			:Your proposed edit actually makes ''less'' sense than the original. You are making it imply that "the future" (collectively the group of people responsible for sending Mikuru back in time on a mission) have kept Mikuru ignorant out of either malice or selfishness, using her only as a tool to their own ends. Koizumi's speech suggests that Mikuru is kept ignorant for her own sake as well as for those who live in the past (e.g. Kyon and the others) and also allowing her the appropriate freedom to act "natural" without getting hung up on the consequences.

			:This draws strong parallels with Yuki and her situation - she was, at least until a certain part of the story, able to synchronize with herself from different time periods, and effectively know the future. This was apparently quite troubling for her and lead to some pretty severe consequences. The only edit I think is suitable for this paragraph is fixing the word "traveler" (spelling) [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 16:53, 4 February 2007 (PST)

Nutcase: Is it really supposed to be this murky?

2007-02-04T18:41:13Z

Is it really supposed to be this murky?

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	--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 07:49, 4 February 2007 (PST)		--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 07:49, 4 February 2007 (PST)

			== Is it really supposed to be this murky? ==

			I'm looking at this speech by Koizumi:


			"There's a reason for not letting her know. Because if a time traveller finds out they're part of a big plot, all they have to do is analyze it and make a move. Because she wouldn't do anything to harm her future self. Asahina-san is a time traveller yet is very unknowledgeable. That's because she actually doesn't know much at all. We can only say they don't want to let her know. That's the future's countermeasure, so we of the past cannot analyze what will happen. So, this time period needs her here. But if you just take her actual self and stick it here, it will be very troublesome. From what I can see, she's at a good time. I don't feel like she's being threatened right now, but if the time comes, I will just treat her as if she's my subject."

			I read the intent like this:


			"There's a reason for not letting her know. Because if a time traveler '''knows''' they're part of a big plot, all '''the future''' has to do is '''pass back instructions'''. Because she wouldn't do anything to harm her future self. Asahina-san is a time traveler yet is very unknowledgeable. That's because she actually doesn't '''need to''' know much at all. We can only say they don't want to let her know. That's the future's countermeasure, so we of the past cannot get at what will happen. This time period needs her '''to do things here''', but if you just take her '''future, knowledgeable''' self and stick it here, it will be very troublesome. From what I can see, she's at a good time. I don't feel like she's being threatened right now, but if the time comes, I will just treat her as if she's my subject."

			In other words, the point here is that Asahina is protected from attack by those wanting a handle on the future by her ignorance, and Asahina (Big) is knows to much to risk the necessary exposure to handle this situation. Thus, two ignorant Asahina (little.)--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 10:41, 4 February 2007 (PST)

BaKaFiSh: /* Unclear passage */

2007-02-04T18:17:54Z

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	Who is the "actual person?" What is repeated three times? Is the following consistent with the original?		Who is the "actual person?" What is repeated three times? Is the following consistent with the original?

	"Asahina-san and I silently waited for a response. The chance of Tsuruya herself replying is actually very small, so in my mind I rehearsed what I might say."		"Asahina-san and I silently waited for a response. The chance of Tsuruya herself replying is actually very small, so in my mind I rehearsed what I might say."

			::Er, this is what they mean, but they don't use her name. ^^; ---- --[[User:BaKaFiSh\|BaKaFiSh]] 10:17, 4 February 2007 (PST)

	or		or

Nutcase: /* Kyon, Mikuru, Tsuruya scene setting */

2007-02-04T16:16:40Z

Kyon, Mikuru, Tsuruya scene setting

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	::Ah, the kanji for squared timber was what was confusing me. ^_^; ---- --[[User:BaKaFiSh\|BaKaFiSh]] 14:29, 2 February 2007 (PST)		::Ah, the kanji for squared timber was what was confusing me. ^_^; ---- --[[User:BaKaFiSh\|BaKaFiSh]] 14:29, 2 February 2007 (PST)

	~~:::Alright then.~~ I'~~d favor 'barred' over 'braced' as more idiomatic American~~. ~~Obviously the beam is being dropped ito brackets, not propped against the~~ gate.		I see on further investigation that the gateway isn't a simple structure. An exterior gate/door opens into a covered structure with another door opening into a courtyard. Sort of like an airlock. Not totally easy to convey this compactly in English. If someone has a link to a good image...--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 08:16, 4 February 2007 (PST)

	~~Should I rework the rest~~ of ~~the staging~~ in ~~this light or leave it~~ to ~~y'all? Trying to be useful, not annoying~~...--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 17:35, 2 February 2007 (PST)

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Nutcase: /* Unclear passage */

2007-02-04T15:49:57Z

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	"After I had rung three times, a minute later, still no one had answered. They should be at home. This had started turning into an unlucky day, when,"		"After I had rung three times, a minute later, still no one had answered. They should be at home. This had started turning into an unlucky day, when,"

			--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 07:49, 4 February 2007 (PST)

Nutcase: Unclear passage

2007-02-04T15:48:55Z

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	Should I rework the rest of the staging in this light or leave it to y'all? Trying to be useful, not annoying...--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 17:35, 2 February 2007 (PST)		Should I rework the rest of the staging in this light or leave it to y'all? Trying to be useful, not annoying...--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 17:35, 2 February 2007 (PST)

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			"Asahina-san and I silently waited for a response. The chance of the actual person replying is actually very small, so in my mind, I practiced the exchange. After I repeated it three times, a minute later, still no one had answered. They should be at home. This started turning into an unlucky day, when,"

			Who is the "actual person?" What is repeated three times? Is the following consistent with the original?

			"Asahina-san and I silently waited for a response. The chance of Tsuruya herself replying is actually very small, so in my mind I rehearsed what I might say."

			or

			"Asahina-san and I silently waited for a response. The chance of an actual person coming to the gate is very small, so in my mind I rehearsed what I might say."

			And

			"After I silently rehearsed what I might say three times, a minute later, still no one had answered. They should be at home. This had started turning into an unlucky day, when,"

			or

			"After I had rung three times, a minute later, still no one had answered. They should be at home. This had started turning into an unlucky day, when,"

Nutcase: /* "That won't flatter anymore." */

2007-02-03T16:05:02Z

"That won't flatter anymore."

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	:The line made perfect sense to me. She's saying that her continued presence is in effect a sign of the failings of those who oppose her faction. [[User:82.3.199.164\|82.3.199.164]] 19:02, 2 February 2007 (PST)		:The line made perfect sense to me. She's saying that her continued presence is in effect a sign of the failings of those who oppose her faction. [[User:82.3.199.164\|82.3.199.164]] 19:02, 2 February 2007 (PST)

			::Okay, I can see that interpretation, but the English is still opaque. I suppose the author may have intended the remark to be opaque, coming from Yuki. Words are an imperfect medium of communication.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 08:05, 3 February 2007 (PST)

	== Kyon, Mikuru, Tsuruya scene setting ==		== Kyon, Mikuru, Tsuruya scene setting ==

82.3.199.164: /* "That won't flatter anymore." */

2007-02-03T03:02:53Z

"That won't flatter anymore."

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	::"One who seeks to please none of them?" Very close to your original. I'd suggest putting a comma on the 'here,'and use the 'one who' instead of 'that' for fluid English. However, the period after 'here'contributes to a sense of power in the assertion, the marker going down. --[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 17:28, 2 February 2007 (PST)		::"One who seeks to please none of them?" Very close to your original. I'd suggest putting a comma on the 'here,'and use the 'one who' instead of 'that' for fluid English. However, the period after 'here'contributes to a sense of power in the assertion, the marker going down. --[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 17:28, 2 February 2007 (PST)

			:The line made perfect sense to me. She's saying that her continued presence is in effect a sign of the failings of those who oppose her faction. [[User:82.3.199.164\|82.3.199.164]] 19:02, 2 February 2007 (PST)

	== Kyon, Mikuru, Tsuruya scene setting ==		== Kyon, Mikuru, Tsuruya scene setting ==