Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume7 Chapter 4 - Revision history

Smidge204 at 11:06, 14 March 2007

2007-03-14T11:06:45Z

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	Erm, yeah I removed the clear nonsense added by 201. whatever. Now you have taken it back to Bakafish's first update - he had done a second with a few more line in. When I put in "vandalism" I mean fixing it, not carrying it out - please compare versions. - [[User:81.101.40.82\|81.101.40.82]] 16:46, 14 January 2007 (PST)		Erm, yeah I removed the clear nonsense added by 201. whatever. Now you have taken it back to Bakafish's first update - he had done a second with a few more line in. When I put in "vandalism" I mean fixing it, not carrying it out - please compare versions. - [[User:81.101.40.82\|81.101.40.82]] 16:46, 14 January 2007 (PST)


			== About large anonymous edits ==

			I'm adding this to the top so it'll be seen easier, I hope.

			I certainly don't want to discourage anonymous editing, but please remember that large edits - things that change the meaning of the story - really should be discussed first. At the very least, you should document here why you think the edit is necessary... not doing at least that is almost a form of "unintentional vandalism." (It also helps if the edit doesn't add '''more''' grammar and spelling mistakes that it removes, but that's another story.)

			Lastly, "picked myself up" has a certain connotation to it which fits well in the opening paragraphs. If you say "I sat up" it means just that, but saying "I picked myself up" implies some reluctance and effort in the process, either from physical fatigue or lack of will. It adds a bit of color to the narration. [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 04:06, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

Nutcase: /* If they only sit... */

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If they only sit...

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	::True. The time framing has been set up by the author in the interest of playfulness rather than ease of understanding and ease of translation - but it's not perversely complicated. The editing guidelines suggest defaulting to both present and past tenses, and they're both "right." Maybe this will be a way to express the underlying "truth" that's a little easier to use.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 13:21, 14 February 2007 (PST)		::True. The time framing has been set up by the author in the interest of playfulness rather than ease of understanding and ease of translation - but it's not perversely complicated. The editing guidelines suggest defaulting to both present and past tenses, and they're both "right." Maybe this will be a way to express the underlying "truth" that's a little easier to use.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 13:21, 14 February 2007 (PST)

	~~== If they only sit... ==~~

	:I think Asahina-san already knows there’s another her in this time. If she really does know, I should go talk to her about it. Did I come here just to have that chat with her? That would be convenient. I’ve already got Tsuruya-san to help me, I don’t need you to help with this anymore, Koizumi. So, I don’t think I’ll tell him anything. Humans, if they only sit on their asses, will not come up with any good ideas. If you’re always hesitating and stopping, you might as well just say it clearly.


	This passage is hard to follow as is.I've already messed with it some, figuring the "you to help" as Koizumi, rather than Mikuru. What follows is my best guess about the author's intent, but if someone might care to check it against the original...

	:I think Asahina-san already knows there’s another her in this time. If she really does know, I should go talk to her about it. Did I come here just to have that chat with her? That would be convenient. I’ve already got Tsuruya-san to help me, I don’t need you to help with this anymore, Koizumi. So, I don’t think I’ll tell him anything. Humans, if they aren't decisive, will not come up with any good ideas. If you’re always hesitating and stopping, you might as well just decide it clearly.
	~~--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 19:04, 14 February 2007 (PST)~~

	~~:Being decisive is useless if you don't get up and do it. The action is more important, and that leaves room for impulsive behavior too. [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 03:38, 15 February 2007 (PST)~~

	~~::Thanks, Smidge, that fits perfectly. Without further comment will delete this section in a while.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 07:38, 15 February 2007 (PST)~~

	== The pressure is different ==		== The pressure is different ==

Smidge204: /* “Obentou (???), I prepared them.” */

2007-02-23T19:13:15Z

“Obentou (???), I prepared them.”

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	::I find "bento", "obentou" and "boxed lunch" with "boxed lunch" the most common. However, I think "bento" would be slightly better choice as the default. Fewer letters. --[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 10:35, 23 February 2007 (PST)		::I find "bento", "obentou" and "boxed lunch" with "boxed lunch" the most common. However, I think "bento" would be slightly better choice as the default. Fewer letters. --[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 10:35, 23 February 2007 (PST)

			:::Not the word used in the text, though, for what it's worth. [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 11:13, 23 February 2007 (PST)

Nutcase: /* “Obentou (???), I prepared them.” */

2007-02-23T18:35:14Z

“Obentou (???), I prepared them.”

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	:The word is the polite form of "bento" (Japanese style boxed lunch.) [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 05:32, 20 February 2007 (PST)		:The word is the polite form of "bento" (Japanese style boxed lunch.) [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 05:32, 20 February 2007 (PST)

			::I find "bento", "obentou" and "boxed lunch" with "boxed lunch" the most common. However, I think "bento" would be slightly better choice as the default. Fewer letters. --[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 10:35, 23 February 2007 (PST)

Smidge204: /* “Obentou (???), I prepared them.” */

2007-02-20T13:32:16Z

“Obentou (???), I prepared them.”

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	Wasn't sure where to put this.		Wasn't sure where to put this.
	Doesn't it just mean lunches or something along those lines? Like bento is their packed lunch thing, right?		Doesn't it just mean lunches or something along those lines? Like bento is their packed lunch thing, right?

			:The word is the polite form of "bento" (Japanese style boxed lunch.) [[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 05:32, 20 February 2007 (PST)

Uraleech: “Obentou (???), I prepared them.”

2007-02-20T12:05:27Z

“Obentou (???), I prepared them.”

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	--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 21:12, 15 February 2007 (PST)		--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 21:12, 15 February 2007 (PST)

			== “Obentou (???), I prepared them.” ==

			Wasn't sure where to put this.
			Doesn't it just mean lunches or something along those lines? Like bento is their packed lunch thing, right?

Nutcase at 05:12, 16 February 2007

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	:It seems to me that Kyon is comparing the current atmosphere with his past experiences. To him the situation feels weird, but doesn't have the same feel as all the other weird things that have happened before. Does that make sense?		:It seems to me that Kyon is comparing the current atmosphere with his past experiences. To him the situation feels weird, but doesn't have the same feel as all the other weird things that have happened before. Does that make sense?

	:It's actually the last two sentences that are missing. The first talks about how the current situation feels different, the second says something like "At least the Sealed Realities and the endless Autumn ended reasonably for everyone" or something like that.		:It's actually the last two sentences that are missing.

	:[[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 15:05, 15 February 2007 (PST)		:[[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 15:05, 15 February 2007 (PST)


			Well then, how about this? It would be miraculous if the particular metaphor is in the original text, but I'm pretty confident that this in the right general direction:

			:Well, is it bad if it keeps going like this? If we compare this with the time I got put into the Avatars’ closed space, or when it was clearly Autumn but the cherry blossoms had appeared and were filling in the classroom, this place is only as difficult as having to choose to return home by either the light of the moon or the Andromeda galaxy. The pressure is different. '''I may miss my footing in the dark, but I'm not on the edge of an abyss.''' At least the Sealed Realities and the endless Autumn ended reasonably for everyone.

			--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 21:12, 15 February 2007 (PST)

Smidge204: /* The pressure is different */

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The pressure is different

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	--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 09:01, 15 February 2007 (PST)		--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 09:01, 15 February 2007 (PST)

			:The paragraph is as follows:

			::まあ、いいのか。〈神人〉のいるバカ空間に引きずり込まれたり、秋なのに桜を満開にさせたりすることに比べたら、ここから月かアンドロメダ星雲のどちらかを選んで行って帰ってくるくらいの違《ちが》いがある。なら圧倒《あっとう》的に月のほうがマシだ。すでに人間の足が触《ふ》れている天体と銀河鉄道に乗らんといかんくらいの前人未踏《ぜんじんみ　とう》の彼方《かなた》では大違いさ。もっとも、俺は閉鎖《へいさ》空間も秋の異常現象も経験済みなわけだが。

			:(Note: Characters in 《》are the furigana for the kanji that proceeds them.)

			:It seems to me that Kyon is comparing the current atmosphere with his past experiences. To him the situation feels weird, but doesn't have the same feel as all the other weird things that have happened before. Does that make sense?

			:It's actually the last two sentences that are missing. The first talks about how the current situation feels different, the second says something like "At least the Sealed Realities and the endless Autumn ended reasonably for everyone" or something like that.

			:[[User:Smidge204\|Smidge204]] 15:05, 15 February 2007 (PST)

Nutcase: /* The pressure is different */

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The pressure is different

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	:Well, is it bad if it keeps going like this? If we compare this with the time I got put into the Avatars’ closed space, or when it was clearly Autumn but the cherry blossoms had appeared and were filling in the classroom, this place is only as difficult as having to choose to return home by either the light of the moon or the Andromeda galaxy. The pressure is different, [T/L note: You know what, I give up on this line. No matter how I word it, it’ll be crap.]		:Well, is it bad if it keeps going like this? If we compare this with the time I got put into the Avatars’ closed space, or when it was clearly Autumn but the cherry blossoms had appeared and were filling in the classroom, this place is only as difficult as having to choose to return home by either the light of the moon or the Andromeda galaxy. The pressure is different, [T/L note: You know what, I give up on this line. No matter how I word it, it’ll be crap.]

	Care to take a crack at this one? Where Kyon is going here is pretty obvious, so suppose I could just make up something... ;-)--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 09:01, 15 February 2007 (PST)		Care to take a crack at this one, Smidge? Where Kyon is going here is pretty obvious, so suppose I could just make up something... ;-)

			There are various other untranslated bits and other translator comments. I think I'll start porting them all over here and port whatever consensus emerges back after a day or two, assuming somebody ventures an opinion. Without objection, that's how I'll proceed.


			--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 09:01, 15 February 2007 (PST)

Nutcase: The pressure is different

2007-02-15T17:01:44Z

The pressure is different

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	::Thanks, Smidge, that fits perfectly. Without further comment will delete this section in a while.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 07:38, 15 February 2007 (PST)		::Thanks, Smidge, that fits perfectly. Without further comment will delete this section in a while.--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 07:38, 15 February 2007 (PST)

			== The pressure is different ==


			:Well, is it bad if it keeps going like this? If we compare this with the time I got put into the Avatars’ closed space, or when it was clearly Autumn but the cherry blossoms had appeared and were filling in the classroom, this place is only as difficult as having to choose to return home by either the light of the moon or the Andromeda galaxy. The pressure is different, [T/L note: You know what, I give up on this line. No matter how I word it, it’ll be crap.]

			Care to take a crack at this one? Where Kyon is going here is pretty obvious, so suppose I could just make up something... ;-)--[[User:Nutcase\|Nutcase]] 09:01, 15 February 2007 (PST)