https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AUmineko_Volume_1%3A_Chapter_0.2Talk:Umineko Volume 1: Chapter 0.2 - Revision history2026-05-04T07:25:40ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.43.1https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Talk:Umineko_Volume_1:_Chapter_0.2&diff=31414&oldid=prevKlashikari: Talk:Umineko Volume 1: Chapter 1 moved to Talk:Umineko Volume 1: Chapter 0.2: wrong chapter number, decrementing2008-07-29T22:42:22Z<p><a href="/project/index.php?title=Talk:Umineko_Volume_1:_Chapter_1" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Umineko Volume 1: Chapter 1">Talk:Umineko Volume 1: Chapter 1</a> moved to <a href="/project/index.php?title=Talk:Umineko_Volume_1:_Chapter_0.2" title="Talk:Umineko Volume 1: Chapter 0.2">Talk:Umineko Volume 1: Chapter 0.2</a>: wrong chapter number, decrementing</p>
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</table>Klashikarihttps://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Talk:Umineko_Volume_1:_Chapter_0.2&diff=26748&oldid=prevNiemand: /* Prayer */2008-04-17T07:30:10Z<p><span class="autocomment">Prayer</span></p>
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</table>Niemandhttps://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Talk:Umineko_Volume_1:_Chapter_0.2&diff=26747&oldid=prevNiemand: /* Being rude */2008-04-17T07:29:33Z<p><span class="autocomment">Being rude</span></p>
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</table>Niemandhttps://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Talk:Umineko_Volume_1:_Chapter_0.2&diff=26734&oldid=prevSonozaki Futagotachi: /* Prayer */2008-04-17T03:33:26Z<p><span class="autocomment">Prayer</span></p>
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</table>Sonozaki Futagotachihttps://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Talk:Umineko_Volume_1:_Chapter_0.2&diff=26658&oldid=prevProto at 03:47, 16 April 20082008-04-16T03:47:15Z<p></p>
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</table>Klashikarihttps://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Talk:Umineko_Volume_1:_Chapter_0.2&diff=26602&oldid=prevTobiast88 at 03:01, 14 April 20082008-04-14T03:01:42Z<p></p>
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</table>Tobiast88https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Talk:Umineko_Volume_1:_Chapter_0.2&diff=26600&oldid=prev189.135.72.248 at 02:54, 14 April 20082008-04-14T02:54:16Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Regarding using translators notes, *I* think that Translator's notes should only be used as a last resort technique, since they are normally disrupt the flow of the story and require the reader to refer to an append in order to understand what is happening. From my very personal POV they should only be used as a substitute for something that would be irremediably lost in translation, or that is crucial to the story. Neither is the case in the line I cited, so unless the team is taking a literal translation approach, localization would be better for this case. --[[User:Proto|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Prto</del>]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Regarding using translators notes, *I* think that Translator's notes should only be used as a last resort technique, since they are normally disrupt the flow of the story and require the reader to refer to an append in order to understand what is happening. From my very personal POV they should only be used as a substitute for something that would be irremediably lost in translation, or that is crucial to the story. Neither is the case in the line I cited, so unless the team is taking a literal translation approach, localization would be better for this case. --[[User:Proto|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Proto</ins>]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>まぁた、母さんと俺の悪口を言ってたろぉ。</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>まぁた、母さんと俺の悪口を言ってたろぉ。</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Not necessarily. The Japanese is ambiguous. The subject can be 俺, Rudolf, with Battler talking filthy with Kyrie (母さんと), or 母さんと俺, since Battler was being rude to both. That's the interpretation I chose, since Rudolf seems a bit conceited about what's due to one's parents. --[[User:Tobiast88|Tobiast88]] 19:42, 13 April 2008 (PDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Not necessarily. The Japanese is ambiguous. The subject can be 俺, Rudolf, with Battler talking filthy with Kyrie (母さんと), or 母さんと俺, since Battler was being rude to both. That's the interpretation I chose, since Rudolf seems a bit conceited about what's due to one's parents. --[[User:Tobiast88|Tobiast88]] 19:42, 13 April 2008 (PDT)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It didn't gave me the impression he was being rude to his mother other than using impolite language and being a little direct (which, technically speaking should be expected since they are stepmother and stepson) which made me choose the former interpretation, but it doesn't really matter either way I guess... --[[User:Proto|Proto]]</ins></div></td></tr>
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