https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AUtsuro_no_Hako%3AVolume3_EpilogueTalk:Utsuro no Hako:Volume3 Epilogue - Revision history2026-05-14T17:07:45ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.43.1https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Talk:Utsuro_no_Hako:Volume3_Epilogue&diff=67242&oldid=prev131.111.229.54 at 20:56, 7 June 20102010-06-07T20:56:06Z<p></p>
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</table>EusthEnoptEronhttps://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Talk:Utsuro_no_Hako:Volume3_Epilogue&diff=67224&oldid=prevSpiller at 12:25, 7 June 20102010-06-07T12:25:41Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>And now it's all explained... very, _very_ pleasant. So very happy to have gotten to read the workings of this! | Ufufufu. And the next volume will presumably have him working with full knowledge... tricky, tricky. Hmmm. Securing the Maria-NPC's cooperation should be fairly simple, but how would the others react to hearing that they were NPCs and their existence would be ended no matter what they did? Also, on the subject of the Maria-NPC, it occurs to me to wonder what the PC Maria thought of the NPC Maria declaring a lack of the 'box'. Since their perceptions differ in that regard, she should have noticed that she and the NPC were separate... or were the perceptions so thoroughly replaced that even the 'perception of being a box' was only that of the NPC's? That might be the most convenient setting. Now then, how to get the other NPCs to willingly die? It might in fact help to introduce them to the idea that they would die no matter what. Ah, and I wonder how the role is decided... Revolutionary, King, Sorcerer... *facepalms at seeing the '(Player)' at the ends that could have served as such a helpful clue if noticed and paid attention to* | The NPC-Daiya might be of particular help. The matter of what he revealed in the first round about his motivations, the other girl... hmm. | Finally everything is remembered. He's no longer operating blind. However it goes (and he'll presumably win no matter what), this will be /fun/! | Still not evident who's 0. It could be Kamiuchi... it could be Maria... the likelihood of it being Yanagi is lower now that the second round's motivations are understood, but... hmm. Yanagi connections... the question of who is behaviour unusually, who is behaving in a way that seems strange, odd, not fully in tune with normal human emotions... I'm inclined to think that Daiya and Yanagi are not 0 due to the _depth_ of emotion shown. Maria and Kamiuchi are suspicious for different reasons. Iroha, seems unlikely, but not much information each way. It would be absurd for Kazuki to be, since the point is to observe him. There's also the possibility that none of them is this time. Considering Kamiuchi's displayed wildness, probably Maria is the most suspicious, regarding her saying things or not saying things at certain times, and overall being much more (...inconveniently...) passive than usual. Normally, even while inherently unable to do anything, she still struggles, bluffs for instance, rails and fights! Hm, also suspicious that her position on 'don't tell about the boxes'/'willingly tell about the boxes' completely flipped between rounds despite in theory being an identical NPC. It's particularly interesting, then, if Kazuki is trying desperately to save /her/ while she's not in fact present. Well, Kamiuchi is still be to considered (in terms of having to live/be saved). Ahh, so much pleasure! --Multipartite/131.111.229.54, 1433 (GMT +1)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>And now it's all explained... very, _very_ pleasant. So very happy to have gotten to read the workings of this! | Ufufufu. And the next volume will presumably have him working with full knowledge... tricky, tricky. Hmmm. Securing the Maria-NPC's cooperation should be fairly simple, but how would the others react to hearing that they were NPCs and their existence would be ended no matter what they did? Also, on the subject of the Maria-NPC, it occurs to me to wonder what the PC Maria thought of the NPC Maria declaring a lack of the 'box'. Since their perceptions differ in that regard, she should have noticed that she and the NPC were separate... or were the perceptions so thoroughly replaced that even the 'perception of being a box' was only that of the NPC's? That might be the most convenient setting. Now then, how to get the other NPCs to willingly die? It might in fact help to introduce them to the idea that they would die no matter what. Ah, and I wonder how the role is decided... Revolutionary, King, Sorcerer... *facepalms at seeing the '(Player)' at the ends that could have served as such a helpful clue if noticed and paid attention to* | The NPC-Daiya might be of particular help. The matter of what he revealed in the first round about his motivations, the other girl... hmm. | Finally everything is remembered. He's no longer operating blind. However it goes (and he'll presumably win no matter what), this will be /fun/! | Still not evident who's 0. It could be Kamiuchi... it could be Maria... the likelihood of it being Yanagi is lower now that the second round's motivations are understood, but... hmm. Yanagi connections... the question of who is behaviour unusually, who is behaving in a way that seems strange, odd, not fully in tune with normal human emotions... I'm inclined to think that Daiya and Yanagi are not 0 due to the _depth_ of emotion shown. Maria and Kamiuchi are suspicious for different reasons. Iroha, seems unlikely, but not much information each way. It would be absurd for Kazuki to be, since the point is to observe him. There's also the possibility that none of them is this time. Considering Kamiuchi's displayed wildness, probably Maria is the most suspicious, regarding her saying things or not saying things at certain times, and overall being much more (...inconveniently...) passive than usual. Normally, even while inherently unable to do anything, she still struggles, bluffs for instance, rails and fights! Hm, also suspicious that her position on 'don't tell about the boxes'/'willingly tell about the boxes' completely flipped between rounds despite in theory being an identical NPC. It's particularly interesting, then, if Kazuki is trying desperately to save /her/ while she's not in fact present. Well, Kamiuchi is still be to considered (in terms of having to live/be saved). Ahh, so much pleasure! --Multipartite/131.111.229.54, 1433 (GMT +1)</div></td></tr>
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</table>EusthEnoptEronhttps://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Talk:Utsuro_no_Hako:Volume3_Epilogue&diff=67222&oldid=prevEusthEnoptEron: ~2010-06-07T11:47:12Z<p>~</p>
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Since their perceptions differ in that regard, she should have noticed that she and the NPC were separate... or were the perceptions so thoroughly replaced that even the 'perception of being a box' was only that of the NPC's? That might be the most convenient setting. Now then, how to get the other NPCs to willingly die? It might in fact help to introduce them to the idea that they would die no matter what. Ah, and I wonder how the role is decided... Revolutionary, King, Sorcerer... *facepalms at seeing the '(Player)' at the ends that could have served as such a helpful clue if noticed and paid attention to* | The NPC-Daiya might be of particular help. The matter of what he revealed in the first round about his motivations, the other girl... hmm. | Finally everything is remembered. He's no longer operating blind. However it goes (and he'll presumably win no matter what), this will be /fun/! | Still not evident who's 0. It could be Kamiuchi... it could be Maria... the likelihood of it being Yanagi is lower now that the second round's motivations are understood, but... hmm. Yanagi connections... the question of who is behaviour unusually, who is behaving in a way that seems strange, odd, not fully in tune with normal human emotions... I'm inclined to think that Daiya and Yanagi are not 0 due to the _depth_ of emotion shown. Maria and Kamiuchi are suspicious for different reasons. Iroha, seems unlikely, but not much information each way. It would be absurd for Kazuki to be, since the point is to observe him. There's also the possibility that none of them is this time. Considering Kamiuchi's displayed wildness, probably Maria is the most suspicious, regarding her saying things or not saying things at certain times, and overall being much more (...inconveniently...) passive than usual. Normally, even while inherently unable to do anything, she still struggles, bluffs for instance, rails and fights! Hm, also suspicious that her position on 'don't tell about the boxes'/'willingly tell about the boxes' completely flipped between rounds despite in theory being an identical NPC. It's particularly interesting, then, if Kazuki is trying desperately to save /her/ while she's not in fact present. Well, Kamiuchi is still be to considered (in terms of having to live/be saved). Ahh, so much pleasure! --Multipartite/131.111.229.54, 1433 (GMT +1)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>And now it's all explained... very, _very_ pleasant. So very happy to have gotten to read the workings of this! | Ufufufu. And the next volume will presumably have him working with full knowledge... tricky, tricky. Hmmm. Securing the Maria-NPC's cooperation should be fairly simple, but how would the others react to hearing that they were NPCs and their existence would be ended no matter what they did? Also, on the subject of the Maria-NPC, it occurs to me to wonder what the PC Maria thought of the NPC Maria declaring a lack of the 'box'. Since their perceptions differ in that regard, she should have noticed that she and the NPC were separate... or were the perceptions so thoroughly replaced that even the 'perception of being a box' was only that of the NPC's? That might be the most convenient setting. Now then, how to get the other NPCs to willingly die? It might in fact help to introduce them to the idea that they would die no matter what. Ah, and I wonder how the role is decided... Revolutionary, King, Sorcerer... *facepalms at seeing the '(Player)' at the ends that could have served as such a helpful clue if noticed and paid attention to* | The NPC-Daiya might be of particular help. The matter of what he revealed in the first round about his motivations, the other girl... hmm. | Finally everything is remembered. He's no longer operating blind. However it goes (and he'll presumably win no matter what), this will be /fun/! | Still not evident who's 0. It could be Kamiuchi... it could be Maria... the likelihood of it being Yanagi is lower now that the second round's motivations are understood, but... hmm. Yanagi connections... the question of who is behaviour unusually, who is behaving in a way that seems strange, odd, not fully in tune with normal human emotions... I'm inclined to think that Daiya and Yanagi are not 0 due to the _depth_ of emotion shown. Maria and Kamiuchi are suspicious for different reasons. Iroha, seems unlikely, but not much information each way. It would be absurd for Kazuki to be, since the point is to observe him. There's also the possibility that none of them is this time. Considering Kamiuchi's displayed wildness, probably Maria is the most suspicious, regarding her saying things or not saying things at certain times, and overall being much more (...inconveniently...) passive than usual. Normally, even while inherently unable to do anything, she still struggles, bluffs for instance, rails and fights! Hm, also suspicious that her position on 'don't tell about the boxes'/'willingly tell about the boxes' completely flipped between rounds despite in theory being an identical NPC. It's particularly interesting, then, if Kazuki is trying desperately to save /her/ while she's not in fact present. Well, Kamiuchi is still be to considered (in terms of having to live/be saved). Ahh, so much pleasure! --Multipartite/131.111.229.54, 1433 (GMT +1)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">And now it's all explained... very, _very_ pleasant. So very happy to have gotten to read the workings of this! | Ufufufu. And the next volume will presumably have him working with full knowledge... tricky, tricky. Hmmm. Securing the Maria-NPC's cooperation should be fairly simple, but how would the others react to hearing that they were NPCs and their existence would be ended no matter what they did? Also, on the subject of the Maria-NPC, it occurs to me to wonder what the PC Maria thought of the NPC Maria declaring a lack of the 'box'. Since their perceptions differ in that regard, she should have noticed that she and the NPC were separate... or were the perceptions so thoroughly replaced that even the 'perception of being a box' was only that of the NPC's? That might be the most convenient setting. Now then, how to get the other NPCs to willingly die? It might in fact help to introduce them to the idea that they would die no matter what. Ah, and I wonder how the role is decided... Revolutionary, King, Sorcerer... *facepalms at seeing the '(Player)' at the ends that could have served as such a helpful clue if noticed and paid attention to* | The NPC-Daiya might be of particular help. The matter of what he revealed in the first round about his motivations, the other girl... hmm. | Finally everything is remembered. He's no longer operating blind. However it goes (and he'll presumably win no matter what), this will be /fun/! | Still not evident who's 0. It could be Kamiuchi... it could be Maria... the likelihood of it being Yanagi is lower now that the second round's motivations are understood, but... hmm. Yanagi connections... the question of who is behaviour unusually, who is behaving in a way that seems strange, odd, not fully in tune with normal human emotions... I'm inclined to think that Daiya and Yanagi are not 0 due to the _depth_ of emotion shown. Maria and Kamiuchi are suspicious for different reasons. Iroha, seems unlikely, but not much information each way. It would be absurd for Kazuki to be, since the point is to observe him. There's also the possibility that none of them is this time. Considering Kamiuchi's displayed wildness, probably Maria is the most suspicious, regarding her saying things or not saying things at certain times, and overall being much more (...inconveniently...) passive than usual. Normally, even while inherently unable to do anything, she still struggles, bluffs for instance, rails and fights! Hm, also suspicious that her position on 'don't tell about the boxes'/'willingly tell about the boxes' completely flipped between rounds despite in theory being an identical NPC. It's particularly interesting, then, if Kazuki is trying desperately to save /her/ while she's not in fact present. Well, Kamiuchi is still be to considered (in terms of having to live/be saved). Ahh, so much pleasure! --Multipartite/131.111.229.54, 1433 (GMT +1)</ins></div></td></tr>
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