Talk:Zero no Tsukaima:Volume1 Story1 Chapter1 - Revision history

Vaelis at 20:55, 23 April 2012

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	== Translator's Notes ==		== Translator's Notes ==
	;<span id=new_religions>[[Zero_no_Tsukaima:~~Volume1_Chapter1~~#back_to_new_religions\|↑]]</span> New Religions		;<span id=new_religions>[[Zero_no_Tsukaima:Volume1_Story1_Chapter1#back_to_new_religions\|↑]]</span> New Religions
	:The term "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinshukyo New Religion]" refers to any religious group in Japan that has its roots after the Meiji Restoration of 1868. This includes the Nichiren Buddhist organization [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soka_Gakkai Soka Gakkai], as well as the infamous [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo Aum Shinrikyo]. The latter probably explains Saito's concern.<br/><br/>		:The term "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinshukyo New Religion]" refers to any religious group in Japan that has its roots after the Meiji Restoration of 1868. This includes the Nichiren Buddhist organization [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soka_Gakkai Soka Gakkai], as well as the infamous [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo Aum Shinrikyo]. The latter probably explains Saito's concern.<br/><br/>
	;<span id=hamburger>[[Zero_no_Tsukaima:~~Volume1_Chapter1~~#back_to_hamburger\|↑]]</span> Hamburger		;<span id=hamburger>[[Zero_no_Tsukaima:Volume1_Story1_Chapter1#back_to_hamburger\|↑]]</span> Hamburger
	:From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger#Japan <blockquote>In Japan, hamburgers can be served in a bun, called hambāgā (ハンバーガー), or just the the patties served without a bun, known as hambāgu (ハンバーグ) or "hamburg," short for "hamburg steak."</blockquote> The type mentioned by Saito was the version without the bun. (ハンバーグ)<br/><br/>		:From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger#Japan <blockquote>In Japan, hamburgers can be served in a bun, called hambāgā (ハンバーガー), or just the the patties served without a bun, known as hambāgu (ハンバーグ) or "hamburg," short for "hamburg steak."</blockquote> The type mentioned by Saito was the version without the bun. (ハンバーグ)<br/><br/>
	;<span id=12_jou>[[Zero_no_Tsukaima:~~Volume1_Chapter1~~#back_to_12_jou\|↑]]</span> 12 Tatami mats		;<span id=12_jou>[[Zero_no_Tsukaima:Volume1_Story1_Chapter1#back_to_12_jou\|↑]]</span> 12 Tatami mats
	:Rooms in Japan are measured jō (畳), which is the number of tatami mats required to cover the floor. A tatami mat is 90 cm by 180 cm for an area of 1.62 m<sup>2</sup> each. Twelve jō is slightly more than 19.5 m<sup>2</sup> or almost 210 square feet.		:Rooms in Japan are measured jō (畳), which is the number of tatami mats required to cover the floor. A tatami mat is 90 cm by 180 cm for an area of 1.62 m<sup>2</sup> each. Twelve jō is slightly more than 19.5 m<sup>2</sup> or almost 210 square feet.

Vaelis: moved Talk:Zero no Tsukaima:Volume1 Chapter1 to Talk:Zero no Tsukaima:Volume1 Story1 Chapter1

2012-04-21T12:00:55Z

moved Talk:Zero no Tsukaima:Volume1 Chapter1 to Talk:Zero no Tsukaima:Volume1 Story1 Chapter1

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Vaelis: Adding the translator's note

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Adding the translator's note

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			== Translator's Notes ==
			;<span id=new_religions>[[Zero_no_Tsukaima:Volume1_Chapter1#back_to_new_religions\|↑]]</span> New Religions
			:The term "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinshukyo New Religion]" refers to any religious group in Japan that has its roots after the Meiji Restoration of 1868. This includes the Nichiren Buddhist organization [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soka_Gakkai Soka Gakkai], as well as the infamous [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo Aum Shinrikyo]. The latter probably explains Saito's concern.<br/><br/>
			;<span id=hamburger>[[Zero_no_Tsukaima:Volume1_Chapter1#back_to_hamburger\|↑]]</span> Hamburger
			:From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger#Japan <blockquote>In Japan, hamburgers can be served in a bun, called hambāgā (ハンバーガー), or just the the patties served without a bun, known as hambāgu (ハンバーグ) or "hamburg," short for "hamburg steak."</blockquote> The type mentioned by Saito was the version without the bun. (ハンバーグ)<br/><br/>
			;<span id=12_jou>[[Zero_no_Tsukaima:Volume1_Chapter1#back_to_12_jou\|↑]]</span> 12 Tatami mats
			:Rooms in Japan are measured jō (畳), which is the number of tatami mats required to cover the floor. A tatami mat is 90 cm by 180 cm for an area of 1.62 m<sup>2</sup> each. Twelve jō is slightly more than 19.5 m<sup>2</sup> or almost 210 square feet.

	== Terminology to Standardize ==		== Terminology to Standardize ==

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2007-02-19T23:41:49Z

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	[[User:Onizuka-gto\|Onizuka-gto]] 05:43, 27 August 2006 (PDT)		[[User:Onizuka-gto\|Onizuka-gto]] 05:43, 27 August 2006 (PDT)

			sorry, can some one stick this in the correct place please :\ it doesnt say the page numbers so im not quite sure where to put this:
			chapter one: "That's what I've been telling you, over and over again, until I'm hoarse. Just give up. I'm giving up too. Why does my familiar a creature that isn't cool at all... I wanted to have something cool, like a dragon, a griffin, or a manticore. At least an eagle or an owl."
			the sentence doesnt quite make sence and needs tweaking abit. once again sorry about putting this in the wrong place - Pit

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The naming game: update my old opinion on "cloak" vs "mantle"; Warning, this talk page has gotten out of date since communication switched to IRC.

2006-09-27T13:13:23Z

update my old opinion on "cloak" vs "mantle"; Warning, this talk page has gotten out of date since communication switched to IRC.

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			::I changed my mind on this awhile ago, talk page not updated; might as well do so now.

			::After finding out that English loan words taken into Japanese do not always retain their original senses, "mantle" was no longer as good a choice as "cloak"

			::We have three words that enroached upon each other, through historical vagary, no doubt.
			::*"マント" (manto) = "cloak",
			::*"マントル" (mantoru) = "mantle" (geological term; crust, mantle, core),
			::*"クローク" (kuro-ku) -> "クロークルーム" (kuro-ku ru-mu) = "cloakroom" -> "coatroom" (this seems to be the most common usage. In fact, a 'cloak clerk' is short for 'coatroom clerk', and 'cloak' is short for 'coatroom' -- katakana 'cloak' doesn't seem to be used often to actually refer to a cloak.)

			::[[User:The naming game\|The naming game]] 06:13, 27 September 2006 (PDT)

	'''(9)''' Unless Saito was specifically looking around, I don't think the word "finds" is appropriate. I would suggest words such as "sees", "saw", "spots", "spotted", "notices", "noticed" .etc		'''(9)''' Unless Saito was specifically looking around, I don't think the word "finds" is appropriate. I would suggest words such as "sees", "saw", "spots", "spotted", "notices", "noticed" .etc
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The naming game: zeroNT Talk:Komgvol01edit moved to Talk:Zero no Tsukaima:Volume1 Chapter1: making ch1 public along with history and talk page, as per B-T tradition.

2006-09-27T12:32:41Z

zeroNT Talk:Komgvol01edit moved to Talk:Zero no Tsukaima:Volume1 Chapter1: making ch1 public along with history and talk page, as per B-T tradition.

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The naming game: /* Page 31 */ trying to fix "... A proud descendant of a true noble lineage, ..." ambiguities

2006-08-28T14:10:35Z

Page 31: trying to fix "... A proud descendant of a true noble lineage, ..." ambiguities

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	--[[User:Da~Mike\|Da~Mike]] 14:22, 21 August 2006 (GMT)		--[[User:Da~Mike\|Da~Mike]] 14:22, 21 August 2006 (GMT)

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			(1) "... A proud descendant of a true noble lineage, ..."

			* 由緒正しい旧い家柄を誇る貴族のわたしが
			* {<span>{right-history'ed old-pedigree/parentage}</span> have-pride-in}-noble-type me
			* A proud descendant of an honorable lineage of nobles, ...
			*: ("me" indicated from rest of sentence)

			(Justification follows)

			I was trying to fix several ambiguities:
			* "a lineage composed of true things." vs "a lineage that is truly what it seems to be."
			* "noble lineage" vs "lineage composed of nobles"

			By rudimentary parsing, it appears the answers would be:
			* "a lineage that is truly what it seems to be."
			* "lineage that is truly one of nobles" -- the "true nobles" part would probably have been encompassed indirectly by the "proud" reference.

			Interpretation notes:
			* 正しい【ただしい】 (adj) right; just; correct; righteous; honest; truthful; proper; straightforward; perfect; (P);
			*: So that means that "true" is not the only interpretation of that word. I changed it to "honorable" in order to reduce the ambiguity -- and "honorable" does seem to fit the definition. Any extra connotations don't detract from the sentence; in fact, I tend to think they add to it.
			* "由緒正しい家柄" is a long compound that can be boiled down to "pedigreed" according to alc.co.jp --
			*:so the addition of an extra "old" prefix to one of the words most likely only makes it more grand, while changing none of the meaning. I would probably split the difference, like in the original translation --
			and so we're left with what I had for the translated line at the start. Thus that will be my change.

			--[[User:The naming game\|The naming game]] 07:10, 28 August 2006 (PDT)

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The naming game: /* Page 33 */ Passage starting with "On the tabletop was a lamp ..."

2006-08-28T02:37:33Z

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	--[[User:The naming game\|The naming game]] 05:23, 27 August 2006 (PDT)		--[[User:The naming game\|The naming game]] 05:23, 27 August 2006 (PDT)

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			(1) Passage starting with "On the tabletop was a lamp ..."
			:　才人がそう言うと、ルイズはせつなそうにテーブルに肘をついた。
			:　テーブルの上には、アールデコ調のカバーがついたランプが置いてある。ランプの中に
			:淡い光が揺れて、部屋をぼんやりと照らしている。電気はないようだ。
			:　まったく、手が込んでいるつくりじゃないか。昔家旅で旅行に行った、異人館の中のよ
			:うだ。
			:　つくり？
			:　そうか。これは……。
			(this general passage seems under discussion)

			--[[User:The naming game\|The naming game]] 19:37, 27 August 2006 (PDT)

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Da~Mike: /* Page 43 */ edit

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Page 43: edit

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	--[[User:The naming game\|The naming game]] 08:13, 26 August 2006 (PDT)		--[[User:The naming game\|The naming game]] 08:13, 26 August 2006 (PDT)

	That’s a fine change as far as I can tell. While I still am unsure about using "hurt" as the word to describe how Louise ~~might be feeling~~, the extra detail following it ("like a boy who got rejected") helps clarify her emotions.		That’s a fine change as far as I can tell. While I still am unsure about using "hurt" as the word to describe how Louise's feelings in that scene, the extra detail following it ("like a boy who got rejected") helps clarify her emotions.
	I guess there are a couple of Japanese words to describe certain emotions quite specifically, which simply do not translate very well in to English...		I guess there are a couple of Japanese words to describe certain emotions quite specifically, which simply do not translate very well in to English...

	--[[User:Da~Mike\|Da~Mike]] 15:44, 27 August 2006 (GMT)		--[[User:Da~Mike\|Da~Mike]] 15:44, 27 August 2006 (GMT)

Da~Mike: /* Page 43 */ ed note

2006-08-27T14:46:14Z

Page 43: ed note

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	--[[User:The naming game\|The naming game]] 08:13, 26 August 2006 (PDT)		--[[User:The naming game\|The naming game]] 08:13, 26 August 2006 (PDT)

			That’s a fine change as far as I can tell. While I still am unsure about using "hurt" as the word to describe how Louise might be feeling, the extra detail following it ("like a boy who got rejected") helps clarify her emotions.
			I guess there are a couple of Japanese words to describe certain emotions quite specifically, which simply do not translate very well in to English...

			--[[User:Da~Mike\|Da~Mike]] 15:44, 27 August 2006 (GMT)