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Darkoneko at 05:54, 20 April 2015

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	::Sorry it took time for me to give my opinion on this tense thing (Work overload again). Anyway, I mostly follow the Japanese tense because there is a fact that even though writing Tomoya's narration in present tense, there's a big chance that what he did already happened (making it completely past tense). But anyway, not all of his narrations are in past tense, I also encounter his present tense narration. Anyway again, no matter how much we want the reader to feel like they are experiencing the text, we can't disregard that the event already happened :3 [[User:Dgreater1\|DGreater1]] Nov. 30 8:30PM (GMT 8:00+)		::Sorry it took time for me to give my opinion on this tense thing (Work overload again). Anyway, I mostly follow the Japanese tense because there is a fact that even though writing Tomoya's narration in present tense, there's a big chance that what he did already happened (making it completely past tense). But anyway, not all of his narrations are in past tense, I also encounter his present tense narration. Anyway again, no matter how much we want the reader to feel like they are experiencing the text, we can't disregard that the event already happened :3 [[User:Dgreater1\|DGreater1]] Nov. 30 8:30PM (GMT 8:00+)

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			[[User:Darkoneko\|DarkoNeko]] <small>[[User_Talk:Darkoneko\|talk]]</small> 00:54, 20 April 2015 (CDT)

Amoirsp: /* Message from S Reed Regarding Suzumiya Haruhi no Seitenkan */

2008-03-28T21:21:51Z

Message from S Reed Regarding Suzumiya Haruhi no Seitenkan

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	P.S. Would you happen to know why chapter 2 is removed?		P.S. Would you happen to know why chapter 2 is removed?

			:Must be the policy of registration. My edits weren't reverted because it was clear cut obvious. I broke the rule from not registering but since all I did was do Haruhi -> Haruki, there's nothing to dispute.

	== response to comment left on my discussion page ==		== response to comment left on my discussion page ==

S reed at 18:27, 23 March 2008

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			== Message from S Reed Regarding Suzumiya Haruhi no Seitenkan ==

			I wish to know why my edits were reverted for volume 1, chapter 1 of Seitenkan. I feel like they are legitimate and undeserving of removal.

			For more of my thoughts on this, please read the discussion on volume 1, chapter 1 of Seitenkan.
			Thank you.

			P.S. Would you happen to know why chapter 2 is removed?

	== response to comment left on my discussion page ==		== response to comment left on my discussion page ==

Dgreater1: /* response to comment left on my discussion page */ BAHHHHHHHH! I just got home and I'm so happy to find out that my harddisk crashed again!!!!

2007-11-30T12:42:08Z

response to comment left on my discussion page: BAHHHHHHHH! I just got home and I'm so happy to find out that my harddisk crashed again!!!!

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	I know what you mean... almost all English books are past tense, and I've read in past tense for so long... But still, the Guidelines say that Tomoya's narration is to be written in present tense: end of story. [[User:Hiiragi Kagami\|Hiiragi Kagami]] 21:26, 25 November 2007 (PST)		I know what you mean... almost all English books are past tense, and I've read in past tense for so long... But still, the Guidelines say that Tomoya's narration is to be written in present tense: end of story. [[User:Hiiragi Kagami\|Hiiragi Kagami]] 21:26, 25 November 2007 (PST)

			::Sorry it took time for me to give my opinion on this tense thing (Work overload again). Anyway, I mostly follow the Japanese tense because there is a fact that even though writing Tomoya's narration in present tense, there's a big chance that what he did already happened (making it completely past tense). But anyway, not all of his narrations are in past tense, I also encounter his present tense narration. Anyway again, no matter how much we want the reader to feel like they are experiencing the text, we can't disregard that the event already happened :3 [[User:Dgreater1\|DGreater1]] Nov. 30 8:30PM (GMT 8:00+)

Hiiragi Kagami: /* response to comment left on my discussion page */

2007-11-26T05:29:14Z

response to comment left on my discussion page

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	I know what you mean... almost all English books are past tense, and I've read in past tense for so long... But still, the Guidelines say that Tomoya's narration is to be written in present tense: end of story. If one believes that Tomoya should behave differently, please talk with the Guidelines's author(s), not me. I don't know why they wrote it that way, and I do agree with you, but we have to follow these Guidelines. [[User:Hiiragi Kagami\|Hiiragi Kagami]] 21:26, 25 November 2007 (PST)		I know what you mean... almost all English books are past tense, and I've read in past tense for so long... But still, the Guidelines say that Tomoya's narration is to be written in present tense: end of story. [[User:Hiiragi Kagami\|Hiiragi Kagami]] 21:26, 25 November 2007 (PST)

Hiiragi Kagami: /* respose to comment left on my discussio page */

2007-11-26T05:27:37Z

respose to comment left on my discussio page

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	== ~~respose~~ to comment left on my ~~discussio~~ page ==		== response to comment left on my discussion page ==

	I know what you mean... almost all English books are past tense, and I've read in past tense for so long... But still, the Guidelines say that Tomoya's narration is to be written in present tense: end of story. If one believes that Tomoya should behave differently, please talk with the Guidelines's author(s), not me. I don't know why they wrote it that way, and I do agree with you, but we have to follow these Guidelines. [[User:Hiiragi Kagami\|Hiiragi Kagami]] 21:26, 25 November 2007 (PST)		I know what you mean... almost all English books are past tense, and I've read in past tense for so long... But still, the Guidelines say that Tomoya's narration is to be written in present tense: end of story. If one believes that Tomoya should behave differently, please talk with the Guidelines's author(s), not me. I don't know why they wrote it that way, and I do agree with you, but we have to follow these Guidelines. [[User:Hiiragi Kagami\|Hiiragi Kagami]] 21:26, 25 November 2007 (PST)

Hiiragi Kagami at 05:26, 26 November 2007

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			== respose to comment left on my discussio page ==

			I know what you mean... almost all English books are past tense, and I've read in past tense for so long... But still, the Guidelines say that Tomoya's narration is to be written in present tense: end of story. If one believes that Tomoya should behave differently, please talk with the Guidelines's author(s), not me. I don't know why they wrote it that way, and I do agree with you, but we have to follow these Guidelines. [[User:Hiiragi Kagami\|Hiiragi Kagami]] 21:26, 25 November 2007 (PST)

Velocity7: School Foundation Day

2007-10-18T05:29:47Z

School Foundation Day

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	:::::Now I remember one of the BIGGEST reason why I'm so worked out with the language reversal. It's because there would be a problem near the end of Kotomi's route and it's about an English sentence that goes "If you find this suit case... please take it to our daughter.", the orginal line is written in English and most Japanese people wouldn't really understand it that much because they're not really fluent in English, but Ryou tried to interpret it in Japanese but her interpretation is a bit vague so Kotomi steps in and interpret it for them easily :p... The reason I want to reverse the language is because readers shouldn't really understand that part until Kotomi explains it :p and that part is one of the most emotional part of Kotomi's route. And I think direct/exact translation of this line would ruin her route. I think we should make an exception in Kotomi's route here, she can speak various language anyway so it's not really confusing. As for the other routes, it doesn't need to be reversed. Anyway, in short, I have a problem of interpreting completely what the line is really trying to tell the reader XD so it won't be confusing.<br><br>Erm... I'm not making any sense do I ^^; Anyway about Sunohara's bad English, we don't really need to reverse it, but I think we should reverse the line that implies the use of both language (English and Japanese) for PERFECT interpretation. Woah!!! I think I'm heading to the path of being a perfectionist, Somebody stop me! (ala Mask Mode) XD... Ahhh... I'll finish Kotomi first before doing some checking with the other scene...<br>What can you say about my idea? :3<br><br>[[Dgreater1\|DGreater1]] (Wednesday 3:52AM April 18, 2007 Philippine Time)		:::::Now I remember one of the BIGGEST reason why I'm so worked out with the language reversal. It's because there would be a problem near the end of Kotomi's route and it's about an English sentence that goes "If you find this suit case... please take it to our daughter.", the orginal line is written in English and most Japanese people wouldn't really understand it that much because they're not really fluent in English, but Ryou tried to interpret it in Japanese but her interpretation is a bit vague so Kotomi steps in and interpret it for them easily :p... The reason I want to reverse the language is because readers shouldn't really understand that part until Kotomi explains it :p and that part is one of the most emotional part of Kotomi's route. And I think direct/exact translation of this line would ruin her route. I think we should make an exception in Kotomi's route here, she can speak various language anyway so it's not really confusing. As for the other routes, it doesn't need to be reversed. Anyway, in short, I have a problem of interpreting completely what the line is really trying to tell the reader XD so it won't be confusing.<br><br>Erm... I'm not making any sense do I ^^; Anyway about Sunohara's bad English, we don't really need to reverse it, but I think we should reverse the line that implies the use of both language (English and Japanese) for PERFECT interpretation. Woah!!! I think I'm heading to the path of being a perfectionist, Somebody stop me! (ala Mask Mode) XD... Ahhh... I'll finish Kotomi first before doing some checking with the other scene...<br>What can you say about my idea? :3<br><br>[[Dgreater1\|DGreater1]] (Wednesday 3:52AM April 18, 2007 Philippine Time)
	::::::I like it and I say Kotomi's route having exceptions should be fine given that she has no impact on other routes, meaning everything said and done with her only exists in her route and once you get into her route you lose just about all other paths. But in a way that implies the same can go for Miyazawa (though I still find hers more of an almagam, though Kotomi's isn't that far from it either) We'll use your changes then. -Amoirsp		::::::I like it and I say Kotomi's route having exceptions should be fine given that she has no impact on other routes, meaning everything said and done with her only exists in her route and once you get into her route you lose just about all other paths. But in a way that implies the same can go for Miyazawa (though I still find hers more of an almagam, though Kotomi's isn't that far from it either) We'll use your changes then. -Amoirsp

			== School Foundation Day ==

			See [[Talk:Clannad:Guidelines#.E5.89.B5.E7.AB.8B.E8.80.85.E7.A5.AD]]

			If there are no objections, could you look into changing all instances of Founder's Day to School Foundation Day? Thanks.

			--[[User:Velocity7\|velocity7]]

Amoirsp: /* About the language reversal */

2007-04-18T02:50:23Z

About the language reversal

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	:::::Now I remember one of the BIGGEST reason why I'm so worked out with the language reversal. It's because there would be a problem near the end of Kotomi's route and it's about an English sentence that goes "If you find this suit case... please take it to our daughter.", the orginal line is written in English and most Japanese people wouldn't really understand it that much because they're not really fluent in English, but Ryou tried to interpret it in Japanese but her interpretation is a bit vague so Kotomi steps in and interpret it for them easily :p... The reason I want to reverse the language is because readers shouldn't really understand that part until Kotomi explains it :p and that part is one of the most emotional part of Kotomi's route. And I think direct/exact translation of this line would ruin her route. I think we should make an exception in Kotomi's route here, she can speak various language anyway so it's not really confusing. As for the other routes, it doesn't need to be reversed. Anyway, in short, I have a problem of interpreting completely what the line is really trying to tell the reader XD so it won't be confusing.<br><br>Erm... I'm not making any sense do I ^^; Anyway about Sunohara's bad English, we don't really need to reverse it, but I think we should reverse the line that implies the use of both language (English and Japanese) for PERFECT interpretation. Woah!!! I think I'm heading to the path of being a perfectionist, Somebody stop me! (ala Mask Mode) XD... Ahhh... I'll finish Kotomi first before doing some checking with the other scene...<br>What can you say about my idea? :3<br><br>[[Dgreater1\|DGreater1]] (Wednesday 3:52AM April 18, 2007 Philippine Time)		:::::Now I remember one of the BIGGEST reason why I'm so worked out with the language reversal. It's because there would be a problem near the end of Kotomi's route and it's about an English sentence that goes "If you find this suit case... please take it to our daughter.", the orginal line is written in English and most Japanese people wouldn't really understand it that much because they're not really fluent in English, but Ryou tried to interpret it in Japanese but her interpretation is a bit vague so Kotomi steps in and interpret it for them easily :p... The reason I want to reverse the language is because readers shouldn't really understand that part until Kotomi explains it :p and that part is one of the most emotional part of Kotomi's route. And I think direct/exact translation of this line would ruin her route. I think we should make an exception in Kotomi's route here, she can speak various language anyway so it's not really confusing. As for the other routes, it doesn't need to be reversed. Anyway, in short, I have a problem of interpreting completely what the line is really trying to tell the reader XD so it won't be confusing.<br><br>Erm... I'm not making any sense do I ^^; Anyway about Sunohara's bad English, we don't really need to reverse it, but I think we should reverse the line that implies the use of both language (English and Japanese) for PERFECT interpretation. Woah!!! I think I'm heading to the path of being a perfectionist, Somebody stop me! (ala Mask Mode) XD... Ahhh... I'll finish Kotomi first before doing some checking with the other scene...<br>What can you say about my idea? :3<br><br>[[Dgreater1\|DGreater1]] (Wednesday 3:52AM April 18, 2007 Philippine Time)
			::::::I like it and I say Kotomi's route having exceptions should be fine given that she has no impact on other routes, meaning everything said and done with her only exists in her route and once you get into her route you lose just about all other paths. But in a way that implies the same can go for Miyazawa (though I still find hers more of an almagam, though Kotomi's isn't that far from it either) We'll use your changes then. -Amoirsp

Dgreater1: /* About the language reversal */

2007-04-17T20:24:57Z

About the language reversal

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	::::I see your point about how strange it would be for Sunohara to speak in English, then because of this translation, have Tomoya speak in English saying "why is it in English ..." However, making these in particular Japanese equivalents would be far more messy. The excuse would be Sunohara has bad English, which regardless of which language, has it's merit. I can understand how that itself can sound really weird, but making a Japanese equivalent of errours like that would be further challenging. I think we best make some sort of note that this is a Japanese game, so it will sound like they spoke English, because they did. When Sunohara does it, it implies his English sucks, in which it can. When Kotomi uses other languages, it is understood by the characters that they don't really understand her and that it's like "why a different language we can't follow"? As far as Kotomi English goes ... they seem to be references to books. Maybe we need to distinguish translated good morning with English good morning (This would at first glance sound much better with your language reversal)? o_o On the other hand it can be argued that "hey she literally said good morning, so why is it konnichiwa" Hm maybe we should put this on hold, or use one and decide later. Some cases it sounds pretty good, but others it seems indifferent. Doing it direct will make it easier to translate. -Amoirsp		::::I see your point about how strange it would be for Sunohara to speak in English, then because of this translation, have Tomoya speak in English saying "why is it in English ..." However, making these in particular Japanese equivalents would be far more messy. The excuse would be Sunohara has bad English, which regardless of which language, has it's merit. I can understand how that itself can sound really weird, but making a Japanese equivalent of errours like that would be further challenging. I think we best make some sort of note that this is a Japanese game, so it will sound like they spoke English, because they did. When Sunohara does it, it implies his English sucks, in which it can. When Kotomi uses other languages, it is understood by the characters that they don't really understand her and that it's like "why a different language we can't follow"? As far as Kotomi English goes ... they seem to be references to books. Maybe we need to distinguish translated good morning with English good morning (This would at first glance sound much better with your language reversal)? o_o On the other hand it can be argued that "hey she literally said good morning, so why is it konnichiwa" Hm maybe we should put this on hold, or use one and decide later. Some cases it sounds pretty good, but others it seems indifferent. Doing it direct will make it easier to translate. -Amoirsp
			:::::Oh, then how about (All Japanese ===> English and all English ===> Japanese) but of course, there would be an exception like for example, "The Rolling Thunder and the Alice" of SEEN0415, "Are you Pretty Dog Too? It's Miracle!" of SEEN0422 (these line could also mean he bad at English so it doesn't matter), etc. etc. The dovenjo, rozonve, etc. in Tomoyo's route doesn't really need to be reversed since it can be interpreted as imperfect English, but in case of something like for example... Yukine's route, in SEEN5426 where Sunohara is using two language, I think it's better to reverse that part (Line 251 to 254)...
			::::::<0251> \{Miyazawa} "It's alright. I don't have any boyfriend, after all."
			::::::<0252> \{Sunohara} "Hontou ni?"
			::::::<0253> Even more, Japanese came out.
			::::::<0254> \{Miyazawa} "Really."
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			::::::What this line is really trying to interpret is more different language came out of his mouth. Not exactly more Japanese came out of his mouth. So I think interpreting this line to have two language might be better than interpreting it like... <br><br><0251> \{Miyazawa} "It's alright. I don't have any boyfriend, after all."<br><0252> \{Sunohara} "Really?"<br><0253> Even more, English came out.<br><0254> \{Miyazawa} "Really."<br><br>We need to note "Hontou ni?" though...<br><br>There's also a line in Kotomi that goes... <br><0035> \{Kotomi} "\m{B}-kun, good afternoon."<br><0036> \{\m{B}} "........."<br><0037> \{Kotomi} "Good afternoon."<br><0038> \{\m{B}} "........."<br><0039> \{Kotomi} ".........Well."<br><0040> \{Kotomi} "Konnichi wa?" // This line would surely be weird if we don't reverse it.<br><0041> \{\m{B}} "That's not it."<br><0042> \{Kotomi} "??"
			:::::There's also a problem about the English lesson that the students undertake, and about the line where Tomoya said "I don't need to study English since I'm a Japanese and I won't use it." in Line 0348 SEEN0417... Reversing the language setting would mean that the students are undertaking Japanese language lesson. I don't really mind reversing it since I understand the voice and also have an idea why is it reverse, but for some who doesn't really understand Japanese, they will only find the voice to be an extra spice to the emotion of that character.
			:::::<br>
			:::::Now I remember one of the BIGGEST reason why I'm so worked out with the language reversal. It's because there would be a problem near the end of Kotomi's route and it's about an English sentence that goes "If you find this suit case... please take it to our daughter.", the orginal line is written in English and most Japanese people wouldn't really understand it that much because they're not really fluent in English, but Ryou tried to interpret it in Japanese but her interpretation is a bit vague so Kotomi steps in and interpret it for them easily :p... The reason I want to reverse the language is because readers shouldn't really understand that part until Kotomi explains it :p and that part is one of the most emotional part of Kotomi's route. And I think direct/exact translation of this line would ruin her route. I think we should make an exception in Kotomi's route here, she can speak various language anyway so it's not really confusing. As for the other routes, it doesn't need to be reversed. Anyway, in short, I have a problem of interpreting completely what the line is really trying to tell the reader XD so it won't be confusing.<br><br>Erm... I'm not making any sense do I ^^; Anyway about Sunohara's bad English, we don't really need to reverse it, but I think we should reverse the line that implies the use of both language (English and Japanese) for PERFECT interpretation. Woah!!! I think I'm heading to the path of being a perfectionist, Somebody stop me! (ala Mask Mode) XD... Ahhh... I'll finish Kotomi first before doing some checking with the other scene...<br>What can you say about my idea? :3<br><br>[[Dgreater1\|DGreater1]] (Wednesday 3:52AM April 18, 2007 Philippine Time)