https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=User_talk%3ADaniman1User talk:Daniman1 - Revision history2026-05-10T14:45:42ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.43.1https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User_talk:Daniman1&diff=418380&oldid=prevDaniman1 at 11:45, 19 February 20152015-02-19T11:45:18Z<p></p>
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</table>Daniman1https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User_talk:Daniman1&diff=416686&oldid=prevDaniman1: Ultimate Answer2015-02-12T13:56:32Z<p>Ultimate Answer</p>
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</table>Daniman1https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User_talk:Daniman1&diff=415542&oldid=prevDaniman1 at 06:38, 7 February 20152015-02-07T06:38:53Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I was first wondered about the title as well</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">as the use of the word Glaive as stated in other translation. Frankly saying I first translate "Dragons' Glaive" as "Dragons' Grave" as it sounds more fit. But then I realize the differences in spelling. It uses グレイヴ (that ends with "Vu/Fu") instead of グレイブ (that ends with "Bu</del>"<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">) that often used, just like </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">title. Since all other translation translate the title as "Cradle </del>to the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Glaive</del>" <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I followed it. I didn't find any official romanization to be honest, but there </del>might be a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">reason why others translate it as Glaive instead of Grave despite it's less fitting.--[[User:Daniman1|Daniman1]]</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">If it's any help</ins>, "<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">from </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">cradle </ins>to the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">grave</ins>" <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">is a saying; this </ins>might be a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">reference </ins>to that. --[[User:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Hiyono</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Hiyono</ins>]] ([[User talk:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Hiyono</ins>|talk]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">) 18:43, 6 February 2015 (CST</ins>)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Hiyonohttps://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User_talk:Daniman1&diff=415510&oldid=prevKemm at 00:36, 7 February 20152015-02-07T00:36:34Z<p></p>
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</table>Kemmhttps://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User_talk:Daniman1&diff=415508&oldid=prevDaniman1 at 23:33, 6 February 20152015-02-06T23:33:45Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I was first wondered about the title as well as the use of the word Glaive as stated in other translation. Frankly saying I first translate "Dragons' Glaive" as "Dragons' Grave" as it sounds more fit. But then I realize the differences in spelling. It uses グレイヴ (that ends with "Vu/Fu")instead グレイブ <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of </del>(that ends with "Bu") that often used, just like the title. Since all other translation translate the title as "Cradle to the Glaive" I followed it. I didn't find any official romanization to be honest, but there might be a reason why others translate it as Glaive instead of Grave despite it's less fitting.--[[User:Daniman1|Daniman1]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">([[User talk:Daniman1|talk]])</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
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