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OH&S: response

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	All feedback on my edits should go in this section.--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 03:05, 8 January 2014 (CST)		All feedback on my edits should go in this section.--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 03:05, 8 January 2014 (CST)

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	I may not be able to reply properly to further discussions at the moment, but here are my basic thoughts and some specific comments. --[[User:Cthaeh\|Cthaeh]] ([[User talk:Cthaeh\|talk]]) 19:45, 8 January 2014 (CST)		I may not be able to reply properly to further discussions at the moment, but here are my basic thoughts and some specific comments. --[[User:Cthaeh\|Cthaeh]] ([[User talk:Cthaeh\|talk]]) 19:45, 8 January 2014 (CST)

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	*Lema vs Lama. Not commenting on the accuracy, just an fyi that there are 3 instances later in the series that should also be changed when you get to them.		*Lema vs Lama. Not commenting on the accuracy, just an fyi that there are 3 instances later in the series that should also be changed when you get to them.
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	'''Thanks for the feedback Cthaeh.'''<br>'''Furigana/Kanji:''' I am in agreement that the whole furigana/kanji section needs revising. I think js06 would probably want to shrink the section as well. I know for sure that there are definite candidates for removal in the list. But, as you have already said, we should take a more democratic approach and wait for more people to comment.<br>'''Perfect vs Eidetic(Photographic):''' This is an interesting case. The terms are noticably different in Japanese. But the way that Index's ability is described and used in the series is the same for both definitions. Here is the defining scenario: A person with a very good memory will be able to view a never before seen text and then recite it word for word relatively easily. However, he will not be able to recite it backwards easily and after time he will have trouble remembering the text. A person with eidetic memory will be able to recite it backwards easily and not forget it. This is exactly what Index does in Volume 7 when trying to decode the Book of the Law. Unless there is some important distinction between Perfect Memory and Eidetic memory, I think the changes are justified.<br>'''Use of References + Specifc Example:''' It is my opinion that the notes should not be restricted to Japanese language quirks only but also extra information that provide context for the scenario. Though we need more feedback on this... In the specific case of perfect/eidetic memory, I personally found that knowing that there haven't been any verfied cases of eidetic memory greatly changed my understandings and opinions on the ways the characters acted in the novel. This only happened recently.<br>'''Dedicatus545:''' Strangely enough, Index does give her magic declaration in the exact same spot in the anime adaptation. Even though it is extra information, I believe in this case it is important enough to add in.<br>'''Police vs. Anti-Skill:''' js06 finds it suprising that Kamachi uses the term police here; as if he hadn't even thought of the term Anti-Skill until later. Strangely, the term Anti-Skill is given earlier in the chapter. I might have to double check with js06 to see if that term is police as well. '''In the end it comes down to this: Do we change something that we most definitely know is an error on the author's part or do we keep the error in?''' My position on this is to correct the error and make a translation note of it, as I did with Limen/Ars Magna in Chapter 2. Unless police is an informal name for Anti-Skill...<br>'''Magician/Sorcerer Pronounciation:''' OK. In hindsight, I think I will remove that.<br>Magic God Capitalisation: I brushed up on capitalization rules and had a change of heart.<br>'''Lama vs Lema:''' After researching the language used and viewing the orignal Japanese of the term, I am certain that Lema is correct. Unless someone beats me to it, I can change those whenever I get up to it.		'''Thanks for the feedback Cthaeh.'''
			<br>'''Furigana/Kanji:''' I am in agreement that the whole furigana/kanji section needs revising. I think js06 would probably want to shrink the section as well. I know for sure that there are definite candidates for removal in the list. But, as you have already said, we should take a more democratic approach and wait for more people to comment.
			<br>'''Perfect vs Eidetic(Photographic):''' This is an interesting case. The terms are noticably different in Japanese. But the way that Index's ability is described and used in the series is the same for both definitions. Here is the defining scenario: A person with a very good memory will be able to view a never before seen text and then recite it word for word relatively easily. However, he will not be able to recite it backwards easily and after time he will have trouble remembering the text. A person with eidetic memory will be able to recite it backwards easily and not forget it. This is exactly what Index does in Volume 7 when trying to decode the Book of the Law. Unless there is some important distinction between Perfect Memory and Eidetic memory, I think the changes are justified.
			<br>'''Use of References + Specifc Example:''' It is my opinion that the notes should not be restricted to Japanese language quirks only but also extra information that provide context for the scenario. Though we need more feedback on this... In the specific case of perfect/eidetic memory, I personally found that knowing that there haven't been any verfied cases of eidetic memory greatly changed my understandings and opinions on the ways the characters acted in the novel. This only happened recently.
			<br>'''Dedicatus545:''' Strangely enough, Index does give her magic declaration in the exact same spot in the anime adaptation. Even though it is extra information, I believe in this case it is important enough to add in.
			<br>'''Police vs. Anti-Skill:''' js06 finds it suprising that Kamachi uses the term police here; as if he hadn't even thought of the term Anti-Skill until later. Strangely, the term Anti-Skill is given earlier in the chapter. I might have to double check with js06 to see if that term is police as well. '''In the end it comes down to this: Do we change something that we most definitely know is an error on the author's part or do we keep the error in?''' My position on this is to correct the error and make a translation note of it, as I did with Limen/Ars Magna in Chapter 2. Unless police is an informal name for Anti-Skill...
			<br>'''Magician/Sorcerer Pronounciation:''' OK. In hindsight, I think I will remove that.
			<br>Magic God Capitalisation: I brushed up on capitalization rules and had a change of heart.
			<br>'''Lama vs Lema:''' After researching the language used and viewing the orignal Japanese of the term, I am certain that Lema is correct. Unless someone beats me to it, I can change those whenever I get up to it.
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	I wasn't really planning on commenting, since most of the changes look good to me, but I may as well leave something here anyway. -[[User:Ultranova17\|Ultranova17]] ([[User talk:Ultranova17\|talk]]) 22:19, 19 February 2014 (CST)		I wasn't really planning on commenting, since most of the changes look good to me, but I may as well leave something here anyway. -[[User:Ultranova17\|Ultranova17]] ([[User talk:Ultranova17\|talk]]) 22:19, 19 February 2014 (CST)

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	Oh, one thing I forgot to mention. If you are going to change any mistakes that Kamachi made, I'd suggest taking a look at the narrative text for how many people Academy City has. In volumes 1-6, the translation says that Academy City is consisted of 2.3 million students. In all later volumes, it is changed to 2.3 million people, with 80% of them students. I can't say if the translation for volumes 2-6 is accurate, but Js06 checked it a while back and confirmed that the Japanese text says 2.3 million students in volume 1, and says 2.3 million people in volume 12. [[User:Ultranova17\|Ultranova17]] ([[User talk:Ultranova17\|talk]]) 22:58, 24 February 2014 (CST)		Oh, one thing I forgot to mention. If you are going to change any mistakes that Kamachi made, I'd suggest taking a look at the narrative text for how many people Academy City has. In volumes 1-6, the translation says that Academy City is consisted of 2.3 million students. In all later volumes, it is changed to 2.3 million people, with 80% of them students. I can't say if the translation for volumes 2-6 is accurate, but Js06 checked it a while back and confirmed that the Japanese text says 2.3 million students in volume 1, and says 2.3 million people in volume 12. [[User:Ultranova17\|Ultranova17]] ([[User talk:Ultranova17\|talk]]) 22:58, 24 February 2014 (CST)
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	Thank you Ultranova17 for your feedback.		Thank you Ultranova17 for your feedback.
	<br>'''Century Capitalization:''' As I have learnt and checked, century is capitalized if the word is used like a name as in the 4th Century.		<br>'''Century Capitalization:''' As I have learnt and checked, century is capitalized if the word is used like a name as in the 4th Century.
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	'''More feedback is appreciated.--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 04:38, 21 February 2014 (CST)'''		'''More feedback is appreciated.--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 04:38, 21 February 2014 (CST)'''
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			It doesn't seem that there are people who actually care enough about the edits to give feedback. Since I don't want to make these changes permanent without some more feedback (no, 1 for and 1 against isn't enough), and said feedback isn't coming, I might as well just let js06 have the final word; after all, his preferences should hold more meaning than a mere editor.'''--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 04:18, 9 February 2014 (CST)'''

	<p>It doesn't seem that there are people who actually care enough about the edits to give feedback. Since I don't want to make these changes permanent without some more feedback (no, 1 for and 1 against isn't enough), and said feedback isn't coming, I might as well just let js06 have the final word; after all, his preferences should hold more meaning than a mere editor.'''--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 04:18, 9 February 2014 (CST)'''
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	I'm writing to notify you that I have asked for ''Index:NT'' to be protected against unregistered edits after seeing numerous "accidental" and a few intentional edits of spam. This will be a project-wide protection and may disrupt your team, namely the editors. You and your translators should be fine (I'll be looking into user rights after this), but if you encounter any issues, please accept my apology upfront for the delays in work and notify me either on my talk page or ping me on Discord. --[[User:Leviticus\|Leviticus]] ([[User talk:Leviticus\|talk]]) 00:33, 15 June 2020 (CEST)		I'm writing to notify you that I have asked for ''Index:NT'' to be protected against unregistered edits after seeing numerous "accidental" and a few intentional edits of spam. This will be a project-wide protection and may disrupt your team, namely the editors. You and your translators should be fine (I'll be looking into user rights after this), but if you encounter any issues, please accept my apology upfront for the delays in work and notify me either on my talk page or ping me on Discord. --[[User:Leviticus\|Leviticus]] ([[User talk:Leviticus\|talk]]) 00:33, 15 June 2020 (CEST)

			Hi Leviticus,

			That's pretty concerning. Its hard for me to keep track of any stray edits on the Index:NT project unless I follow all of the individual pages, so restricted user rights would be a big help to counter intentional spam edits. We use similar controls on the Index Wiki when there is a need for it. No complaints on my end . --[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 04:10, 15 June 2020 (CEST)

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Project Protection, Staff Permissions: new section

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	<p>It doesn't seem that there are people who actually care enough about the edits to give feedback. Since I don't want to make these changes permanent without some more feedback (no, 1 for and 1 against isn't enough), and said feedback isn't coming, I might as well just let js06 have the final word; after all, his preferences should hold more meaning than a mere editor.'''--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 04:18, 9 February 2014 (CST)'''		<p>It doesn't seem that there are people who actually care enough about the edits to give feedback. Since I don't want to make these changes permanent without some more feedback (no, 1 for and 1 against isn't enough), and said feedback isn't coming, I might as well just let js06 have the final word; after all, his preferences should hold more meaning than a mere editor.'''--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 04:18, 9 February 2014 (CST)'''
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			== Project Protection, Staff Permissions ==

			Good afternoon,

			I'm writing to notify you that I have asked for ''Index:NT'' to be protected against unregistered edits after seeing numerous "accidental" and a few intentional edits of spam. This will be a project-wide protection and may disrupt your team, namely the editors. You and your translators should be fine (I'll be looking into user rights after this), but if you encounter any issues, please accept my apology upfront for the delays in work and notify me either on my talk page or ping me on Discord. --[[User:Leviticus\|Leviticus]] ([[User talk:Leviticus\|talk]]) 00:33, 15 June 2020 (CEST)

OH&S: Moving things around and cleaning up.

2014-10-03T03:13:48Z

Moving things around and cleaning up.

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OH&S: /* Splitting Index Series */

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Splitting Index Series

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	Just to re-clarify is Teh Ping separating the project page himself? Cuz, I figured you would be more familiar with this and thus the better person for this task. The fact you're concerned over the page as well as the project is good enough for me. --[[User:KuroiHikari\|KuroiHikari]] ([[User_talk:KuroiHikari\|Talk]] \| ) 05:39, 29 June 2014 (CDT)		Just to re-clarify is Teh Ping separating the project page himself? Cuz, I figured you would be more familiar with this and thus the better person for this task. The fact you're concerned over the page as well as the project is good enough for me. --[[User:KuroiHikari\|KuroiHikari]] ([[User_talk:KuroiHikari\|Talk]] \| ) 05:39, 29 June 2014 (CDT)

			That's what Teh Ping told me in our last conversation. The split will probably be sometime in September as the Abandon date is September 18th from memory. I have already made a few changes to the page that should make it easier for Teh Ping to do his thing. If I have any problems with what he's done I can just PM him. It's not a huge problem.--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 20:58, 29 June 2014 (CDT)

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	Like I said in the previous paragraph, it seems Teh Ping will go ahead and do it himself.<br>Also, despite my name being in the Project Manager entry, its hardly official. I haven't officially been approved by the Admins and other Supervisors. Its just that after Teh Ping, I was the one really taking care of the page the most, so I put my name there as a safeguard.--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 07:18, 4 May 2014 (CDT)		Like I said in the previous paragraph, it seems Teh Ping will go ahead and do it himself.<br>Also, despite my name being in the Project Manager entry, its hardly official. I haven't officially been approved by the Admins and other Supervisors. Its just that after Teh Ping, I was the one really taking care of the page the most, so I put my name there as a safeguard.--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 07:18, 4 May 2014 (CDT)

			Just to re-clarify is Teh Ping separating the project page himself? Cuz, I figured you would be more familiar with this and thus the better person for this task. The fact you're concerned over the page as well as the project is good enough for me. --[[User:KuroiHikari\|KuroiHikari]] ([[User_talk:KuroiHikari\|Talk]] \| ) 05:39, 29 June 2014 (CDT)

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	Sorry I didn't respond earlier. I didn't noticed you replied. I was asking you to split the series since you're the project manager and that splitting this series was something that was decided on. In any case, you could start working on the NT page without touching the Index page first and work on the transition when the time comes.--[[User:KuroiHikari\|KuroiHikari]] ([[User_talk:KuroiHikari\|Talk]] \| ) 06:37, 4 May 2014 (CDT)		Sorry I didn't respond earlier. I didn't noticed you replied. I was asking you to split the series since you're the project manager and that splitting this series was something that was decided on. In any case, you could start working on the NT page without touching the Index page first and work on the transition when the time comes.--[[User:KuroiHikari\|KuroiHikari]] ([[User_talk:KuroiHikari\|Talk]] \| ) 06:37, 4 May 2014 (CDT)

			Like I said in the previous paragraph, it seems Teh Ping will go ahead and do it himself.<br>Also, despite my name being in the Project Manager entry, its hardly official. I haven't officially been approved by the Admins and other Supervisors. Its just that after Teh Ping, I was the one really taking care of the page the most, so I put my name there as a safeguard.--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 07:18, 4 May 2014 (CDT)

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	After contacting Teh Ping, I now know the specifics of what is happening; also it seems like he will be the one taking care of everything and doing all the work. Changes will be delayed until after NT Volume 10 is translated. The removal schedule will be much faster compared to what was initially proposed. All of OT will be gone 2 months before Official Release Date of English Volume 01 at the latest. Some of my plans are ruined, but that's life.--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 01:38, 4 May 2014 (CDT)		After contacting Teh Ping, I now know the specifics of what is happening; also it seems like he will be the one taking care of everything and doing all the work. Changes will be delayed until after NT Volume 10 is translated. The removal schedule will be much faster compared to what was initially proposed. All of OT will be gone 2 months before Official Release Date of English Volume 01 at the latest. Some of my plans are ruined, but that's life.--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 01:38, 4 May 2014 (CDT)

			Sorry I didn't respond earlier. I didn't noticed you replied. I was asking you to split the series since you're the project manager and that splitting this series was something that was decided on. In any case, you could start working on the NT page without touching the Index page first and work on the transition when the time comes.--[[User:KuroiHikari\|KuroiHikari]] ([[User_talk:KuroiHikari\|Talk]] \| ) 06:37, 4 May 2014 (CDT)

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	Perhaps this write-up will help explain some things: '''[[Baka-Tsuki:Project_Abandonment_Policy\|Project Abandonment Policy]]'''. I believe that Teh Ping and the custodial staff plan to lock project pages once the project is abandoned (as they have been in the past). Thus, in order to let Js06 translate undisturbed, they've asked Index NT to be moved to a separate page along with active side-stories (which will remain unlocked). --[[User:Cloudii\|Cloudii]] ([[User talk:Cloudii\|talk]]) 11:10, 3 May 2014 (CDT)		Perhaps this write-up will help explain some things: '''[[Baka-Tsuki:Project_Abandonment_Policy\|Project Abandonment Policy]]'''. I believe that Teh Ping and the custodial staff plan to lock project pages once the project is abandoned (as they have been in the past). Thus, in order to let Js06 translate undisturbed, they've asked Index NT to be moved to a separate page along with active side-stories (which will remain unlocked). --[[User:Cloudii\|Cloudii]] ([[User talk:Cloudii\|talk]]) 11:10, 3 May 2014 (CDT)

			After contacting Teh Ping, I now know the specifics of what is happening; also it seems like he will be the one taking care of everything and doing all the work. Changes will be delayed until after NT Volume 10 is translated. The removal schedule will be much faster compared to what was initially proposed. All of OT will be gone 2 months before Official Release Date of English Volume 01 at the latest. Some of my plans are ruined, but that's life.--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 01:38, 4 May 2014 (CDT)

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	Hmmm... I might ask Teh Ping tomorrow morning then. Regardless, this is something that '''''needs''''' to be planned before put into action. I have no qualms about splitting the series if that is what the top brass have decided. I just want the transition to be smooth for all of the readers and js06. I also have some personal plans for the Abandoned page in terms of how it will look and some of the template code will need to be reworked. But I will see what Teh Ping says...tomorrow... I'm so tired right now.--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 09:39, 3 May 2014 (CDT)		Hmmm... I might ask Teh Ping tomorrow morning then. Regardless, this is something that '''''needs''''' to be planned before put into action. I have no qualms about splitting the series if that is what the top brass have decided. I just want the transition to be smooth for all of the readers and js06. I also have some personal plans for the Abandoned page in terms of how it will look and some of the template code will need to be reworked. But I will see what Teh Ping says...tomorrow... I'm so tired right now.--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 09:39, 3 May 2014 (CDT)

			Perhaps this write-up will help explain some things: '''[[Baka-Tsuki:Project_Abandonment_Policy\|Project Abandonment Policy]]'''. I believe that Teh Ping and the custodial staff plan to lock project pages once the project is abandoned (as they have been in the past). Thus, in order to let Js06 translate undisturbed, they've asked Index NT to be moved to a separate page along with active side-stories (which will remain unlocked). --[[User:Cloudii\|Cloudii]] ([[User talk:Cloudii\|talk]]) 11:10, 3 May 2014 (CDT)

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	Hi, could you split off NT Series onto a new page from the Index Series. thanks --[[User:KuroiHikari\|KuroiHikari]] ([[User_talk:KuroiHikari\|Talk]]) 18:30, 2 May 2014 (CDT)		Hi, could you split off NT Series onto a new page from the Index Series. thanks --[[User:KuroiHikari\|KuroiHikari]] ([[User_talk:KuroiHikari\|Talk]]) 18:30, 2 May 2014 (CDT)

	Err....no? I can think of 5 reasons as to why that's not a good idea. This sort of request is better brought up on the Index Project Talk page or Baka-Tsuki forums for '''''discussion'''''. Random one sentence requests like this will be ignored due to lack of context, argument and support for the request.		<span style="color:red">'''[Embarrassing Response]'''</span><br>Err....no? I can think of 5 reasons as to why that's not a good idea. This sort of request is better brought up on the Index Project Talk page or Baka-Tsuki forums for '''''discussion'''''. Random one sentence requests like this will be ignored due to lack of context, argument and support for the request.

	This decision in particular is one that will be made with consultation with the Baka-Tsuki Staff and Administrators.		This decision in particular is one that will be made with consultation with the Baka-Tsuki Staff and Administrators.

	If the page is too long for comfort, I have already made edits to help navigate through the page much easier than 6 months ago.--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 07:52, 3 May 2014 (CDT)		If the page is too long for comfort, I have already made edits to help navigate through the page much easier than 6 months ago.
			<br><span style="color:red">'''[/Embarrassing Response]'''</span>--[[User:OH&S\|OH&S]] ([[User talk:OH&S#top\|talk]]) 07:52, 3 May 2014 (CDT)


	KuroiHikari is a BT Administrator. The final decision among the BT administrators and supervisors was that NT would be split off on to its own page, and then the original page and first series novels would be placed in 'abandoned'. One of the reasons KH may have asked you to do it rather than do it himself is that the page is more complicated with your template code, and you understand that better. --[[User:Cthaeh\|Cthaeh]] ([[User talk:Cthaeh\|talk]]) 08:31, 3 May 2014 (CDT)		KuroiHikari is a BT Administrator. The final decision among the BT administrators and supervisors was that NT would be split off on to its own page, and then the original page and first series novels would be placed in 'abandoned'. One of the reasons KH may have asked you to do it rather than do it himself is that the page is more complicated with your template code, and you understand that better. --[[User:Cthaeh\|Cthaeh]] ([[User talk:Cthaeh\|talk]]) 08:31, 3 May 2014 (CDT)