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Softtack at 21:20, 2 March 2009

2009-03-02T21:20:23Z

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	I have no idea which of you decided to add approximately 7,000 ellipsis to some of these chapters (Specifically Novel 7, Ch 3 which is a joke right now), but please go back and retake some English classes. Take a novel, open it up and actually look at how conversations are edited. Even in conversations with multiple omissions and interruptions there certainly aren't '...' ''on every other sentence''.		I have no idea which of you decided to add approximately 7,000 ellipsis to some of these chapters (Specifically Novel 7, Ch 3 which is a joke right now), but please go back and retake some English classes. Take a novel, open it up and actually look at how conversations are edited. Even in conversations with multiple omissions and interruptions there certainly aren't '...' ''on every other sentence''.


	The last time I tried to make format changes, I got chewed out by Hamster (vol 7 translator), so I'm not even going to bother with it anymore. There are two possible reasons why he chose to add so many ellipses: 1) He really likes them or 2) That's where they are placed in the original novel. I can't verify 1 but as for 2, the translators here seem to like sticking to literal translations, which I don't really agree with. As a result, you will see ellipses of various sizes in places that don't make grammatical sense in English in the translated text. I don't have the time to go back and compare everything with the original so I'm just leaving things as they are. If you feel that removing ellipses is necessary, by all means go right on ahead. All I will be doing for Hamster's translations is quick grammatical edits, since I feel like arguing about trivial shit anymore.

	~~- [[User:Softtack\|Softtack]] 08:05, 17 February 2009 (PST)~~

	I appreciate the response; and yeah it does work even though I'm not registered. If that happens to be the case with Hamster, I won't bother doing massive re-edits, but I agree with you. For anime it's not quite as big a deal leaving things literally translated, since there simply isn't as much text (even though this creates some silly moments for an English speaking audience). For a novel though, the entire point should be to maximize flow and readability.		I appreciate the response; and yeah it does work even though I'm not registered. If that happens to be the case with Hamster, I won't bother doing massive re-edits, but I agree with you. For anime it's not quite as big a deal leaving things literally translated, since there simply isn't as much text (even though this creates some silly moments for an English speaking audience). For a novel though, the entire point should be to maximize flow and readability.

	I appreciate the work people do here, which is the only reason why I bring it up, since it sticks out quite a bit.		I appreciate the work people do here, which is the only reason why I bring it up, since it sticks out quite a bit.

98.210.212.39 at 21:18, 17 February 2009

2009-02-17T21:18:13Z

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			I appreciate the response; and yeah it does work even though I'm not registered. If that happens to be the case with Hamster, I won't bother doing massive re-edits, but I agree with you. For anime it's not quite as big a deal leaving things literally translated, since there simply isn't as much text (even though this creates some silly moments for an English speaking audience). For a novel though, the entire point should be to maximize flow and readability.

			I appreciate the work people do here, which is the only reason why I bring it up, since it sticks out quite a bit.

Softtack: /* Ellipsis overuse throughout TD Novel 7 */

2009-02-17T16:07:28Z

Ellipsis overuse throughout TD Novel 7

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	I have no idea which of you decided to add approximately 7,000 ellipsis to some of these chapters (Specifically Novel 7, Ch 3 which is a joke right now), but please go back and retake some English classes. Take a novel, open it up and actually look at how conversations are edited. Even in conversations with multiple omissions and interruptions there certainly aren't '...' ''on every other sentence''.		I have no idea which of you decided to add approximately 7,000 ellipsis to some of these chapters (Specifically Novel 7, Ch 3 which is a joke right now), but please go back and retake some English classes. Take a novel, open it up and actually look at how conversations are edited. Even in conversations with multiple omissions and interruptions there certainly aren't '...' ''on every other sentence''.


			The last time I tried to make format changes, I got chewed out by Hamster (vol 7 translator), so I'm not even going to bother with it anymore. There are two possible reasons why he chose to add so many ellipses: 1) He really likes them or 2) That's where they are placed in the original novel. I can't verify 1 but as for 2, the translators here seem to like sticking to literal translations, which I don't really agree with. As a result, you will see ellipses of various sizes in places that don't make grammatical sense in English in the translated text. I don't have the time to go back and compare everything with the original so I'm just leaving things as they are. If you feel that removing ellipses is necessary, by all means go right on ahead. All I will be doing for Hamster's translations is quick grammatical edits, since I feel like arguing about trivial shit anymore.

			- [[User:Softtack\|Softtack]] 08:05, 17 February 2009 (PST)

98.210.212.39: /* Ellipsis overuse throughout TD Novel 7 */ new section

2009-02-17T10:23:03Z

Ellipsis overuse throughout TD Novel 7: new section

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	It's only going to result in a mess if italics or quotations marks are haphazardly added at this point (like any instance where Ryuuji "thinks" about "Minori"; what he calls her when he really is thinking, is Kushieda), so I'll handle it myself then.		It's only going to result in a mess if italics or quotations marks are haphazardly added at this point (like any instance where Ryuuji "thinks" about "Minori"; what he calls her when he really is thinking, is Kushieda), so I'll handle it myself then.
	--[[User:Hamster\|Hamster]] 07:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC)		--[[User:Hamster\|Hamster]] 07:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

			== Ellipsis overuse throughout TD Novel 7 ==

			I have no idea which of you decided to add approximately 7,000 ellipsis to some of these chapters (Specifically Novel 7, Ch 3 which is a joke right now), but please go back and retake some English classes. Take a novel, open it up and actually look at how conversations are edited. Even in conversations with multiple omissions and interruptions there certainly aren't '...' ''on every other sentence''.

Hamster at 07:51, 6 February 2009

2009-02-06T07:51:25Z

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	That's the way how I approached this project.		That's the way how I approached this project.
	--[[User:Hamster\|Hamster]] 06:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)		--[[User:Hamster\|Hamster]] 06:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

			I really don't really agree with Kinny Riddle's approach honestly.

			It's only going to result in a mess if italics or quotations marks are haphazardly added at this point (like any instance where Ryuuji "thinks" about "Minori"; what he calls her when he really is thinking, is Kushieda), so I'll handle it myself then.
			--[[User:Hamster\|Hamster]] 07:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Hamster at 06:49, 6 February 2009

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	Hello. I left Ryuuji's own thoughts unquoted and unitalicized for a reason - please see the translation notes.		Hello. I left Ryuuji's own thoughts unquoted and unitalicized for a reason - please see the translation notes.

	The narration is commonly in 3rd person, ~~but~~ it synchronizes with Ryuuji's own thoughts and feelings. Adding a distinct marker is going to ruin the feel of the original language~~, that~~'s ~~my own feelings on the matter~~. ~~The novel isn't written from an objective point~~ of ~~view~~.		The novel isn't written from an objective point of view. While the narration is commonly in 3rd person, it synchronizes with Ryuuji's own thoughts and feelings. Adding a distinct marker is going to ruin the feel of the original language. That's pretty much how I feel. I am considering undoing all of what you did concerning that.

	Second, the use of italics for the other stuff is meant to signify thoughts involved in actions or stuff in the background that aren't being clearly paid attention to by the narrator.		Second, the use of italics for the other stuff is meant to signify thoughts involved in actions or stuff in the background that aren't being clearly paid attention to by the narrator.

	Third, the dashes are there to prevent overuse of commas, because frankly, it gets confusing.		Third, the dashes are there to prevent overuse of commas, because frankly, it gets confusing.

			Fourth, please don't fiddle around with changing Tiger to lowercase or "the Tiger". It's only going to be getting messy, because just about the only people who call her by Taiga instead of Tiger are Ryuuji and Minori.

	That's the way how I approached this project.		That's the way how I approached this project.
	--[[User:Hamster\|Hamster]] 06:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)		--[[User:Hamster\|Hamster]] 06:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Hamster at 06:43, 6 February 2009

2009-02-06T06:43:16Z

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	Hello. I left ~~the~~ thoughts unquoted and unitalicized for a reason - see the translation notes.		Hello. I left Ryuuji's own thoughts unquoted and unitalicized for a reason - please see the translation notes.
	The narration is commonly in 3rd person, but it synchronizes with Ryuuji's own thoughts and feelings. Adding a distinct marker is going to ruin the feel, ~~or so I thought~~. The novel isn't written from an objective point of view.
			The narration is commonly in 3rd person, but it synchronizes with Ryuuji's own thoughts and feelings. Adding a distinct marker is going to ruin the feel of the original language, that's my own feelings on the matter. The novel isn't written from an objective point of view.

	Second, the use of italics for the other stuff is meant to signify thoughts involved in actions or stuff in the background that aren't being clearly paid attention to by the narrator.		Second, the use of italics for the other stuff is meant to signify thoughts involved in actions or stuff in the background that aren't being clearly paid attention to by the narrator.

Hamster: New page: Hello. I left the thoughts unquoted and unitalicized for a reason - see the translation notes. The narration is commonly in 3rd person, but it synchronizes with Ryuuji's own thoughts and f...

2009-02-06T06:13:43Z

New page: Hello. I left the thoughts unquoted and unitalicized for a reason - see the translation notes. The narration is commonly in 3rd person, but it synchronizes with Ryuuji's own thoughts and f...

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Hello. I left the thoughts unquoted and unitalicized for a reason - see the translation notes.
The narration is commonly in 3rd person, but it synchronizes with Ryuuji's own thoughts and feelings. Adding a distinct marker is going to ruin the feel, or so I thought. The novel isn't written from an objective point of view.

Second, the use of italics for the other stuff is meant to signify thoughts involved in actions or stuff in the background that aren't being clearly paid attention to by the narrator.

Third, the dashes are there to prevent overuse of commas, because frankly, it gets confusing.

That's the way how I approached this project.
--[[User:Hamster|Hamster]] 06:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)