Sword Art Online

[ben1234]

I'd just like everyone to know that the chapter does not have an 18+ warning in the app:

Spoiler! :

Might want to get that fixed (ie. include the warning with the clickable text)

[BeginnerXP]

I wish someone write baka-tsuki reader app for iOS too...

Question to Crunchyroll premium subscribers: Is it true that SAO will be online 5 hours after the airing in Japan from now on? Like what happened in episode 2.

Edit: Never mind, it should be clear now.

[polarpwnage]

[quote="BeginnerXP"][quote="KuroiHikari"]You want to start a poll to remove it?[/quote]

I could guess the outcome though, at least Vaelis moved it out of volume 1, and put it at SS section with proper warning is already good enough.[/quote]

just leave it, its written by the author no? Just put a r-18 on it and leave it as it is. I think many readers like to know that ch16.5 at least confirms that Asuna and Kirito is officially in a mature relationship and not just canon which we all hate cuz its not official, they did get married yes? If they didnt do it, they might as well stayed in a "friends" status relationship system wise.

[Teh_ping]

Right now, the situation is such that SAO is more known amongst the fanbase for that infamous chapter instead of being a story about video games. Goes to show how some desperate people are huh?

And yes I am commenting on this issue because it seems that some people want more of such scenes and wanted them to be translated from the author's website onto Baka Tsuki so that the stories can satisfy their adolescence and raging hormones which is why I will not be giving them and I will personally block any further issues as such on this series as long as I am around and that I should get back on topic.

And btw, with so many people talking about it now, it has gotten full blown to such an extent that it's like trying to cover up a sex scandal that got publicized by the media or something. Not going to work. Even if I delete it, (and yes, I was the one who decided to remove it from volume 1, with Vaelis' agreement, just that there's no place else to put it...) it has gotten to the point where people have made pdfs and stuff out of it. Heck, even 2ch's directing to that page as the story was taken down from the author's website...of course, I can delete that for good for the next April Fools' Day, but well...

just leave it, its written by the author no? Just put a r-18 on it and leave it as it is. I think many readers like to know that ch16.5 at least confirms that Asuna and Kirito is officially in a mature relationship and not just canon which we all hate cuz its not official, they did get married yes? If they didnt do it, they might as well stayed in a "friends" status relationship system wise.

Tell that to the other series where the couples are official and yet there's no need to go to the status of sexual intercourse or ecchiness (at least for most series until year 2000 started...). Please, a whole lot of you are thinking that you have to make sure that you have sex in order to make sure that you have an official relationship. Just...I really don't know whether to double facepalm at that or bang my head against the wall when I saw the bolded part...with that logic, you might as well say that it's a full-blown harem with all the old doujins the author had on his website (though they aren't written by him, if he uploaded them, it has to imply something...)...

I think anyone is free to translate and distributing those hentai stories. I do think many also would appreciate if you do so, but I think here is not the place to distributing them (maybe put it in your personal blog and put the link to your blog in your wiki user page?). I don't know why 16.5 could even stay on the wiki in the first place, since all our projects should be for all-age readers.

You want to start a poll to remove it?

I could guess the outcome though, at least Vaelis moved it out of volume 1, and put it at SS section with proper warning is already good enough.

Let's face it, we have this...

[larethian]

^ GOOD POST. I APPLAUD.

[Pryun]

@ polar whatever: It is written by the author as a fanfic, as it is together with other fanfics.

@ping: While I agree with most of your post, I believe in damage control. Since here at BT is where MOST people will read first hand these things, we let the innocent minds not be befouled by these kind of crap, and let those who are searching for it look somewhere else. and while we do have tomoyo after, It IS a VN which requires the game to actually enjoy the script. I think. I rarely touch VNs.

[Misogi]

Well, Baka-Tsuki isn't anymore an all-ages website (easy to guess why).

About Chapter 16.5, someone could make it invisible by using a white color. The problem is that some readers would ask for its return... too late, I guess.

Anyway, I'm glad to see that SAO's anime is making the LN popular. And bringing more staff in the short term.

Edit : Teh_Ping, you should use your "scary" avatar to your advantage. Just my 2 cents.

[Pryun]

uh, which readers want fanfics translated? they should probably go find it somewhere else anyway, it is totally all over the net by now. According to what I can read from Ping's post.

[Tap]

If it actually goes to a vote, I'll be on the side of keeping it.
To be exact, I'm highly against censorship merely because it contains content of a sexual nature.

Comments like "let the innocent minds not be befouled by these kind of crap" are honestly offensive towards people who actually have an interest in that subject.
I really do feel that removing something based on a belief like that alone is more damaging than leaving it alone.

I mean, seriously now, if it's properly marked mature (maybe using red-coloured/bolded text? any such function to distinguish it for the Android reader?), I see no reason to remove it for a flimsy reason of "damaging young, innocent minds", since it's entirely the reader's own choice to open that up and continue reading.
Especially considering that it's written by the author and relatively canon, regardless of how bad an attempt at erotic fiction it is.

And I do question how that chapter is more well-known than its actual plot like Teh mentioned.
I'm 99% sure it's the other way round, really, considering how it's practically impossible to find out about it from the anime without putting some effort to find out about its roots and all.
I deal with the sexual side of media quite a bit. Thus, my views are likely slanted that way, but the text above are my honest opinions and should be regarded separately from my tendencies.

[Pryun]

eh, my main meat in the argument is that it is fanfiction. I really don't care how good or bad the fiction is, I'm mainly against fanwork, even if by the author himself, is put together with the actual published works, the moral guardian is just a personal opinion commenting that I can't introduce this to some people because of that, though I really want to introduce this story to them.

Yeah, I'm a moral guardian when it comes to people I know, I'd rather not be the person to actually befoul their minds. I don't mind if other people do it though. ^^ I mean, don't you have any children *cough I don't cough* or know any of them who would be interested in this kind of setting, but are WAAAY too underaged and curious about these things? (curiosity == ignores the warning. because I happen to know mannnny people who totally ignore age limits for stuff like social networking sites.)

Also, based on the few sites that I go to, the chapter is sooo well known that there are people even thinking that it was in the published version, and comparing it to nasu's works etc etc.

Still: published works alongside fanfics? I prefer to keep them separate. even better if the fanfics are stowed away someplace where only people looking for them can find them, like fanfiction.net or something.

[BeginnerXP]

Well, REVERSE was a completely separated section on author's website, for a limited time too, he clearly doesn't want those r-18+ content to be alongside with the rest of his clean scripts, but here, we placed it right alongside with other clean stories.

There're some complaints in PDF thread about reading vol.1 and got 16.5 in the face while being unaware too. And just like Pryun said, some forums I saw many actually thinking that 16.5 is really in the published version and expecting anime to adapt it too.

[Pryun]

That too. Even the author keeps it separate.

[Teh_ping]

If it actually goes to a vote, I'll be on the side of keeping it.
To be exact, I'm highly against censorship merely because it contains content of a sexual nature.

Comments like "let the innocent minds not be befouled by these kind of crap" are honestly offensive towards people who actually have an interest in that subject.
I really do feel that removing something based on a belief like that alone is more damaging than leaving it alone.

I mean, seriously now, if it's properly marked mature (maybe using red-coloured/bolded text? any such function to distinguish it for the Android reader?), I see no reason to remove it for a flimsy reason of "damaging young, innocent minds", since it's entirely the reader's own choice to open that up and continue reading.
Especially considering that it's written by the author and relatively canon, regardless of how bad an attempt at erotic fiction it is.

And I do question how that chapter is more well-known than its actual plot like Teh mentioned.
I'm 99% sure it's the other way round, really, considering how it's practically impossible to find out about it from the anime without putting some effort to find out about its roots and all.
I deal with the sexual side of media quite a bit. Thus, my views are likely slanted that way, but the text above are my honest opinions and should be regarded separately from my tendencies.

I only filtered the past month, and well...look at how hungry the readers are. If there's a need for more examples, please count the number of posts regarding 16.5 as compared to the other chapters. Not the best examples I can think of now, but it's there.

Look, it's all pointless now. Pretty much every single fan out there knows about it. I don't even know whether deleting the page will even limit damage control now.

This is a huge reason why I'm dropping out from SAO after volume 10. Can you imagine people asking me,

"Oh, you're Teh_ping?"

"Erm, yeah."

"That chapter 16.5 you did is awesome!"

"..."(I know it's not my work, but honestly, people tend to lavish their praises/come down hard on whoever seems to be the most well-known.)

My plan was just to let the LN catch up to the latest so that people interested in the anime can read on. But it's very demoralizing when you're supposed to work on an action movie and people tell you, "I like that kissing scene!" Personally, I do feel that when you're watching anime, you're mostly exposed to many aspects like violence and gore and stuff. However, I still don't feel that it's right as well. I don't have the authority to delete it (only the rights), and tbh, I don't care whether it gets deleted or not now since the T-Virus has spread throughout the world, (and there's no way for a cure to infect, only a disease can infect. Similarly, an illness can be contagious. A cure can't be contagious.), but no way will I agree to translate such things.

As for the moral guardian situation. Imagine if you're a parent, and you hear your kid go:やおいて何？ I will actually freak out if I were a parent. It'll be bad enough if I hear that my kid has a boyfriend(if girl, of course)/girlfriend(if boy, of course). Knowing me, I might actually act like Yuuta from Papakiki!

@Misogi. Maybe I can use this as a contract. I'll stay if 16.5 goes.

[Pryun]

Damage control WILL prevent those who are not yet fans from knowing it. Even if the current fans know it. I happen to know a few people who are planning on reading it once the anime is over, so these people have no idea that 16.5 even exists... yet.

Yeah, something like that parent situation is exactly what I'm trying to convey...

[polarpwnage]

Hey, people are interested in knowing how far the couple got into their relationship even if the act doesnt define the relationship. Lets face it, if they're going to be in the shy and embarrassed relationship for the entire time its going to cause people to start pulling hair out in agony. Doing it also shows a level of trust between the characters in their relationship and their commitment. Keep it out of vol.1 and leave it in side stories with a mature tag, problem solved no need to keep bringing it up, we aren't annoying parents who are constantly badgering producers to censor stuff just cuz they don't individually agree with it