Editing Talk:Zero no Tsukaima:Volume1 Story1 Chapter1 (section)

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(1) "Saito thought, face heating up" -> "Saito thought as his face began to flush"

(2) "Kuyashii" 悔しい　-> rueful -> disgruntled
"kuyashii" is more accurately translated as vexed/dissapointed or chagrined. I tried to find a word that seemed to match the tone of Louise's speech and the mood a typical "boy" might be in after being rejected (presumably from asking a girl out).

--[[User:Da~Mike|Da~Mike]] 13:26, 22 August 2006 (GMT)

IRC log explains:
:<the_naming_game> Ah, I see what you mean about "rueful" and kuyashii, Cala-kun
:<Cala-kun> But the thing was, I didn't think it was quite a situation of regret or frustration.
:<the_naming_game> yeah, the "rejected boy" image clinches it pretty closely, I think.
:<Cala-kun> It seemed more she was chiding him gently.
:<the_naming_game> I'm of two minds
:<the_naming_game> first, she's still feeling defeated over her summoning failure.
:<the_naming_game> and second, something to do with him jumping up, or not being happy as her familiar ... something to do with Saito, right then and there.
:<the_naming_game> Ah, definitely the second now that I read again.
:<the_naming_game> hm. hurt, miffed, wounded, aggrieved (thesaurus)
:<the_naming_game> I'm leaning towards "hurt"
:<Cala-kun> That works.
(That was the extent of the "kuyashii" conversation, so I'm reasonably certain he didn't just say that to shut me up! He's pretty patient, in any case.)

So from what I gather, Cala-kun wanted the mood of "rueful" -- being emotionally brought down to the point where you're reflective -- but the meaning of "disappointed + vexed". "Hurt" is a reasonable approximation.

"Disgruntled" will always bring to mind (In America, at least.) images of postal workers going postal, hence, not the best choice. I believe the "typical" Japanese boy is supposed to be rather stricken if he gets rejected. See Kashimashi, or any number of works I'm not familiar with...

In any case, the tone used afterwards would be chiding, since lashing out is Louise's way of responding to any kind of hurt or insult. However it would start off slow, until she managed to shrug off her initial emotion down, and then it would gather steam.

--[[User:The naming game|The naming game]] 08:13, 26 August 2006 (PDT)

That’s a fine change as far as I can tell. While I still am unsure about using "hurt" as the word to describe how Louise's feelings in that scene, the extra detail following it ("like a boy who got rejected") helps clarify her emotions.
I guess there are a couple of Japanese words to describe certain emotions quite specifically, which simply do not translate very well in to English...

--[[User:Da~Mike|Da~Mike]] 15:44, 27 August 2006 (GMT)