Editing Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume3 The Boredom of Suzumiya Haruhi

== Translator's Notes ==

=== Koushien ===

Koushien is the short name for two high profile High School baseball tournaments that take place in Japan durring the spring and summer of each year.  The tournaments are played in Hanshin Koushin Stadium in the Koushin district of Nishinomiya, Hyogo Prefecture, Japan.

For more information, see Wikipedia entries for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koshien_Stadium Koshien Stadium] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_school_baseball_in_Japan High School Baseball in Japan].

== Translator's and Editor's discussion ==

I had to make HUGE edits, with frequent reference to the original Japanese text.


'''About Mikuru:'''

''"But I know she has a devilishly sexy body in contrast to her angelic face, a girl with the looks to kill."''

I have no idea where this came from.  The text just says that her small body and face suit her, but Kyon knows that she's really glamorous (guramarasu).  I'm all for capturing the original spirit of the text, but this may be taking it a bit too far.

:Is "glamorous" supposed to be in contrast the the "angelic" descriptions in the previous sentances?  That has been lost in your edits.  I've not changed anything for now, but perhaps you (or someone else with a copy of the novel) could take another look at it?
:--[[User:BlckKnght|BlckKnght]] 01:48, 6 May 2006 (PDT)


Next paragraph about the nurse outfit, I inserted Mikuru's name which was missing from the translation, clearing up ambiguity.
''“This kind of matter doesn’t need any reason.” '' 

「ねーよ、んなもん」 is pretty hard to translate.  Perhaps "Do you really need a reason?" can capture Kyon's secret longing for sexy Mikuru.  Please give input.

:I interpreted that sentance in the original version to be a quote from Haruhi, answering the question directly.  Is that not the case?  If it is, I'm not sure if Kyon's feelings are relevant, but perhaps my initial understanding was wrong (I do not have the original novels, nor could I read them if I did).
:--[[User:BlckKnght|BlckKnght]] 01:43, 6 May 2006 (PDT)

Next paragraph.
Mikuru: 「そそ、そんなぁ～」

The next sentence is completely missing:

半泣きになりつつ生真面目に言いつけを守っているのだった。

I'm not sure how to translate this.  "with tears in her eyes" is the best I can come up with.

Next paragraph.
"audience" is not mentioned.  Rather, the text simply uses "fulfilling requests", which is simpler.

:I made a few small changes in this section, just to clear up the tenses and make things flow better.  It does have the effect of making Kyon's maid fetish a little bit less explicit.  Please feel free to change back if I've strayed too far from the original meaning.
:--[[User:BlckKnght|BlckKnght]] 01:43, 6 May 2006 (PDT)

Also, before "Yes, that would be good", another sentence is missing.
悩ましく恥じらいながら。
Not sure how to translate this.  Perhaps ”While being both sexy and embarassed"?


Interesting how the chapter suddenly starts using paragraphing.  I have cancelled all of the indents as per every other chapter.


''"But our speculations is inaccurate, as the arrow that Haruhi shoots goes through the wall where the target board is and flew away. "''

The arrow is used as a metaphor for Kyon's speculation, not an actual arrow that Haruhi shot.

----[[User:Eleutheria|Eleutheria]] 00:41, 6 May 2006 (PDT)(Mood: Unhappy)

Wow... All these points you mentioned do appear to be a relative nightmare!

I'll be brief on what I think should be done to tackle these issues:

* First Paragragh

Anyone who knows something about Japanese culture will know what Koshien is to the baseball zealots of Japan (and that's quite a lot of zealots mind you!). However, to prevent others from getting confused (who may not be as familiar with Japanese culture as some of us are), a translation note should be added to inform them that it is both a stadium and the nickname for the national baseball tournament for schools in Japan.
Regarding the choice of "captain" over "representative", every baseball team has a captain (as most sports do) and seing as how Haruhi intuitively self-appoints herself as the leader of anything the SOS Brigade does (and based on the anime which covered this chapter), captain should be the obvious choice.

* About Mikuru

I personally dislike interpretations that stray too far from the original meaning. While it is true that most of us have already conceived a mental idea of the character Mikuru as the "buxom angel in distress", if the source material states (especially in katakana) that Kyon thought Mikuru to be "glamorous", then I think it should be translated that way.

*"This kind of matter doesn’t need any reason."
That particular phrase (「ねーよ、んなもん」) is definitely '''not''' Kyon's.
What gives this sentence away is the use of "ねーよ" which is approximately "wa - yo". The "wa" is almost exclusively reserved for female speakers and the combination of "wa" and "yo" is even more so. You could appropriately compare this to "desu - yo", which is  often pronounced by female speakers as "desshou", which means something of the lines of "Don't you think?".

In my opinion, Haruhi's response should be something like this: "It is! Don't you think?"

* Next paragraph. Mikuru: 「そそ、そんなぁ～」(by the way, this is read as "Ee, sonnaa~")
半泣きになりつつ生真面目に言いつけを守っているのだった。 -> this sentence is a nightmare to me...
I can extract bits like "half-crying" and something along the lines "something seriously" and "protected".
Based on Mikuru's line though (which would translate roughly to "Whaaat? No way...", I would interpret that she's in her typical "sympathy-magnet" mode where she's crying and looking dreadfully pitiful, inviting Kyon to come and protect/save her.

The help of a translator would be much appreciated for this one.

*Also, before "Yes, that would be good", another sentence is missing. 悩ましく恥じらいながら。

Since that sentence is in fact describing the manner by which Mikuru is saying what's she's saying, I think we should interpret it as the manner by which she said "Yes, that would be good" (if that's the right sentence...).
e.g. "Yes, that would be good" Mikuru murmured shyly, yet seductively.

* "But our speculations is inaccurate, as the arrow that Haruhi shoots goes through the wall where the target board is and flew away. "

Lastly, this sentence is somewhat confusing... Simply put, I can hardly understand the point of it without the explanation of what the arrow is meant to be. Currently, it appears that the speculation is Haruhi's and the point of making a reference to a target board and going through it isn't very clear.

I think it may require a bit of structural upheaval for it to be less ambiguous.

Hope that helps.

--[[User:Da~Mike|Da~Mike]] 19:03, 6 May 2006 (GMT)


"If there were anything that truly belonged to us, then it would have to be the nine yellow loudspeakers Haruhi brought for us."
Instead of "loudspeakers", this should be "megaphones", as a megaphone is specifically used to magnify a human voice.
Also: "tropical savanna ant hill" - it's savannah, with an h at the end.