Editing User talk:Aozf05

About Em-dash(—) within the line, the side without space denotes what is being refered to after so— please take note. It was hard work fixing those and I really would appreciate you not messing with it. Don't worry I'll fix your edits later on. No problem. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  07:09, 29 June 2012 (CDT)

Actually, You're not 100% right. There is no fixed standard for em-dashes. It's just we use it this way here. Please? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  01:49, 30 June 2012 (CDT)

Here's a guide:

# A —B— C (Like brackets, space before beginning and after ending em-dash)
# —A (In the beginning of the line/paragraph, no spacing)
# A B— C (Between the line/paragraph to show pause or such, spacing after)
# A B C— (At the end of the line/paragraph to show an incomplete sentence or any other reason)

Please use this. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  01:51, 30 June 2012 (CDT)

There are multiple standards so no one is wrong. Neither you or me. It's just that this is the manner we've been using. Could you conform, please? BTW, I've seen the rest of your edits. And I have to say I'm impressed. You've really done a good job. Keep up the good work. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  02:36, 30 June 2012 (CDT)

Aozf05, you can format the em dash the way you want, there is no format imposed at Baka-Tsuki, even more for Sword Art Online. (Btw, the most common rule is indeed to put no space before and after an em dash in every situation) [[User:Vaelis|Vaelis]] 06:18, 30 June 2012 (CDT)

Well now that Vaelis has approved, I no longer have any right to say anything. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  08:15, 30 June 2012 (CDT)

Btw, I personally go with A—B—C for em dashes in sentences, A— B for sentences ending with a pause mid-paragraph (looks better than A—. B, personally), and the 2nd and 4th mentioned by Zero.<br />Ex. "nothing. —I trusted him. The", "nothing—I trusted him—the", "nothing— I trusted him. The" for start, middle and end of a sentence.<br />For ellipses, I go with spaces after every one if it's at the end or middle of a sentence, spaces before if it's at the start of one.<br />And Vaelis, I doubt you'll see this, but wouldn't putting no spaces in every situation result in something like "He saw me.—I gasped and turned to run." if it's used after a period in the original (JP) text? Looks really awkward, if you ask me... --[[User:Tap|Tap]] 07:46, 4 July 2012 (CDT)

Isn't there always a space after a full stop? [[User:Vaelis|Vaelis]] 12:28, 5 July 2012 (CDT)

Yes there is '''always''' a space after commas and fullstops. It's an ironclad rule. Note: Ellipsis(...) have slightly different rules in certain circumstances (like in the very beginning of a paragraph, etc). Don't mix them up with full-stops. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  18:12, 5 July 2012 (CDT)

When used parenthetically, the dashes can be used like Zero's first example, but when they occur by themselves, I usually see A B—C. Also, for ellipses, I may have messed up a little. I think it depends on preference whether they have spaces around them or not, but I generally see ...A, A...B, or A.... If a sentence ends in an ellipsis, you have to add a fourth full-stop because the ellipsis is three full-stops and then the end of the sentence is marked with another full-stop. I don't know if you want to go through every light novel to fix that though. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 00:10, 7 July 2012 (CDT)

What I've seen is a space between ellipses and B for the A...B in case of non-stuttering. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  01:43, 7 July 2012 (CDT)

Hm, well I wouldn't do that because it could be mistaken for an ellipsis at the end of a sentence. I would apply similar rules as the em dash as in either you have spaces on both sides or none at all. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 01:48, 7 July 2012 (CDT)

For now I'm going to leave all dashes and ellipses alone. I'll also go back and revert changes I made to dashes and ellipses in volume 1 in the near future, if it hasn't been done already. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 02:23, 7 July 2012 (CDT)

Sorry for bringing this up again, but [http://www.whiners.pro/2012/03/ellipses-in-fansubbing/ this] explains most of my personal reasoning for my usage of ellipses. Ellipses for partial quotations is nearly completely absent in light novels, so the main purpose they serve is as a pause within lines of speech. Hence, my choice to represent that pause in a way that would as obvious as possible, for it to not be skipped over (and quite honestly, ". . ." just looks ridiculous in a conversation).<br />As for differentiating ellipses within and at the end of sentences, I merely use adjust the capitalisation of the word after the ellipsis ("... A" / "... a"). Frankly, I've never seen anyone use a period after an ellipsis to represent a sentence trailing off in speech.<br />Either way, thanks for your edits. My grammar tends to be all over the place at times. --[[User:Tap|Tap]] 10:02, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

I only mentioned the end of the sentence thing to let it be known for anyone who's interested that a rule does exist for that. But it probably falls into that category of "never split infinitives, never end sentences with prepositions" kind of rule that most people don't follow. It doesn't really matter anyway, it's just an extra dot. --[[User:Aozf05|aozf05]] 03:43, 11 July 2012 (CDT)