Editing User talk:Kinny Riddle (section)

== Issue with interference on Chapter 05 Translation ==

Hello kinny, just read your post:

"Originally Posted by Kinny Riddle
Not trying to sound offensive or anything. But once again, to whoever is translating chapter 5, I plead with you to please stop there and let me take care of the rest, though your help is appreciated, it'll conflict with my writing style and confuse the readers and editors should they need to ask me anything when editing.

I was under the impression, and still is, that it was agreed the translation of volume 1 for the wiki is currently my responsibility, and I intend to see it through."

And i'll just inform you what i replied:

"i was under the impression that a translator will take on one chapter at a time?

I agree having more then one trasnlator doing one chapter is one too many, but surely doing one chapter at a time is ok?

So if another translator gets going on chapter 06 & 07 we will more or less get the volume done?

Or is that a misguided assumption? :/"

So basically what is your thought on this? Is it possible for other translators to work on chapters that you are not actively translating? 

Surely it is a faster method?

[[User:Onizuka-gto|Onizuka-gto]] 09:53, 23 April 2006 (PDT)

'''Kinny:''' While it is a faster method, it'll create too much conflict in terms of quality control. By keeping to one translator to each volume, instead of having to correspond to multiple translators (or not even know who translated what), the editor directly contact the sole translator and makes the editing smoother, as well as making the transition between chapters smoother.
I'm sure the readers don't mind waiting for a translated chapter if it means it'll eventually get edited fast enough. What we want to achieve is quality as high as possible, not speed.



**Im sure there can be some happy medium, between quality and speed.
While it seems that you are determined to complete volume 01 on your own.

how about the other volumes? If one translators takes them but fail to complete it after a looooong time. will ibe acceptable to allow another translators complete it?

it is only a hypothetical scenario. but i do believe we will need to discuss this for future volumes,  some suggesstion have been made in the format guide talk page. I sure you and everyone else would like to see a good debate, before anything is set in stone.

cheers,

[[User:Onizuka-gto|Onizuka-gto]] 11:31, 23 April 2006 (PDT)

I'm the person who's been translating Ch. 5, and I was emphatically not aware that you'd been granted some sort of carte blanche to handle the entire translation of volume 1 for yourself -- in fact, I quite politely asked TLG (who I view as the de facto project coordinator) whether it was all right for me to grab ch. 5 and start translating it, and he replied in the affirmative. If you'd wanted to discuss the translation with me, you might have done so through the Talk page for ch. 5, which I'd been regularly updating. But you didn't. You just posted a massive edit.

If anything, it wouldn't be unreasonable for me to view your sudden and massive changes to ch. 5 as interference in the work that I'd been doing -- but I'm not going to be that way. 

If you want volume 1 to yourself, and nobody else has any objections to this, it's fine by me. I'd been doing this for fun, and I don't see a pissing match with you over who's in charge of a chapter as "fun". 

I'll just move over to the editor group, then -- and then I can second-guess you. How's that?

--[[User:Freak Of Nature|Freak Of Nature]] 13:55, 23 April 2006 (PDT)


OK, perhaps I'm trying to be too "perfect", I apologize and will try to loosen up.


Quote:
''''Originally Posted by Freak Of Nature
I vote for 1, myself. 

Which is why I find it rather annoying that what started out as fun for me has now been corrupted for me by Kinny getting his knickers in a twist over something that could have been settled with a few minutes of writing in my User:Talk in the wiki.''''


With due respect, I actually preserved most of your lines, while making corrections over some of the other lines. But I do apologize and should've made contact with you first.


Quote:
''''If he'd bothered to ask, he'd have learned that I politely asked TLG, at the start of the project, for Chapter 5. TLG okayed that, and I went on from there, translating at my own middling-slow pace from the Japanese original text. If anybody (TLG or Kinny) had bothered to inform me that Kinny apparently had the idea that he'd been promised volume 1, I'd have simply moved to another part of the project. I'm in it for the fun, not the territoriality. If Kinny had offered to discuss his version of Ch. 5, that would have been fine, too.''''


First, I didn't know about the "history" function till yesterday, so yes, I'm partly responsible and I apologize for not having a word with you. Second, long before this I asked TLG that was it OK for me to handle the whole of chapter 1, he said it was OK. 


Quote:
''''As I've already told Kinny in his User:Talk page, if he wants Volume 1 so badly that he's willing to trample all over my existing translation without ever bothering to contact me, he can have it. I'll be an editor, then, and second-guess him, instead. 
Killjoy.''''


Hey, you're not the only one who's upset about his "work" being trampled over, you know. As I said, I was under the impression that TLG has given me permission to do the whole of chapter 1. If you were me who was made that promise, I'm sure you would understand most. I must have been mistaken and I apologize for that assumption. I also apologize for not contacting you earlier due to my ignorance of the "history" function to find out who did what in the beginning.

Let us bury the hatchet and leave this behind us and work together next time.

BTW, as for the choice above, if you point a gun at my head, then I'd say 1. While 2 is way too extreme, I'm for finding a balance. It's not like I'm ridiculously far behind like some fansub groups doing some anime.

[[Kinny Riddle]]01.41, 24 April 2006 (BST)