Editing Talk:Hidan no Aria:Volume8 Chapter1

==Swear words==

Umm.  About the word ''F*%#''... if the Japanese word used does not exactly  mean the same thing... Can we use "Damn" or "Shit" instead. Especially  if the word used is ''Kuso'' or ''Chikusho''. The F-word is a little too  extreme unless the Japanese word used means exactly that.  [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  12:04, 21  June 2011 (UCT)

So...What would be the Japanese  equivalent to 'fuck'...It's in the copyright disclaimer anyways. It may  be true that there are some younger audiences reading this novel, but  Kinji says it about three times a volume, and contrast is good for  effect. - [[User:YoakeNoHikari|YoakeNoHikari]] 12:23, 21 June 2011 (UCT)

The  Japanese exact equivalent to the f-word would be  "[http://www.youswear.com/index.asp?language=Japanese Fakku!]". But with  the others there are ''other'' equivalent words as well. This is where  the person's personality comes in. Is Kinji a course and uncouth youth?  Does he use curse words in each and every sentence that comes out of his  mouth, regardless of who he talks with? No, no and definitely no. His  personality does not fit with that word. Hence, "Damn" or "Shit" is a  better choice. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  17:18, 21 June 2011 (UCT)

Please don't tell me what is a better choice. Anyone who might be pressured into a situation where they think they are going to die might let off a few choice expletives. At any rate, you act as if fuck and shit are on completely different levels of ribald when in fact, they are used in exactly the same way, an exclamation/an insult/an expletive. Telling someone that they're a little fuck isn't any better than telling them that they're a little shit. I am not going to change how I translate because you personally have a problem with the word. I normally don't swear. However, when I do, do I care whether I say fuck or shit? No, I do not. It is exactly the same thing in my mind, an expletive. Nobody weighs the situation and thinks: "Hmm, is this situation appropriate to say fuck in or should I be conservative and say shit?" As for character, if you asked me, I think that Kinji is a cynical bastard that thinks nothing of swearing and shooting at people to save his own life. The guy headbutted his friend in the face for trying to take a letter from him. - [[User:YoakeNoHikari|YoakeNoHikari]] 17:59, 21 June 2011 (UCT)

F-Ranked words are worse than other insults like Shit, Damn, God Damn, etc (By F-Ranked words I mean words like F*%#, Mo$%^& F*%#er, Si$%^& F*%#er, etc). I must humbly say that while words like ''"kuso"'' and ''"chikuso"'' may mean either "shit" or "F*%#" but there are clear levels of insults and "F*%#" is a much higher insult than "shit". Even in TV shows they don't censor the word "shit" but they do censor any and all F-Ranked words. What does this tell you? That the levels are completely different. Kinji is a respectable butei. Therefore saying "Shit" fits with his character more than saying "F*%#" so many times in the space of a few minutes. On the other hand if the Light Novel actually uses the the Japanese word that clearly translates to an F-Ranked word then I would say to use that word freely (See the external link above). ''Please'', try to understand that I am not saying this out of spite. I am doing this to improve the quality of the translation. So basically everything comes down to two questions: Is the clear cut Japanese word for F*%# being used? If no then, does using F*%# so many times in the space fit with Kinji's character? From my point of view he is just a guy who has had a bad experience with girls, gets embarrassed so covers it up by head butting his friend whom he has a good enough relationship to do so, shoots people but adheres to the rule of not killing,thus honorable. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  20:53, 21 June 2011 (UCT)

All I see here is you nitpicking at some relatively unimportant factor, and like all your other nitpicking, it makes me grandly annoyed and angry. It is like you see one branch rotting on a tree in a forest and you tell me to replant the tree. In truth, it does not take so much effort to change four letters, yet the most tiny, insignificant, useless and unimportant things you choose to try and change. Why? This is obviously not because you think that Kinji is portrayed as out of character. I do not think that anyone (besides you,) truly believes that Kinji is the type of person who would never say 'fuck' even if he is surrounded by people who can kill him at any moment. You obviously just have some personal discomfort with the word and as such, you want to avoid it. I have a suggestion in those cases, stick to picture books. - [[User:YoakeNoHikari|YoakeNoHikari]] 23:39, 21 June 2011 (UCT)

==EU vs IU==
EU  vs IU, indeed EU was used before in translations of this novel, but  after some research editors concluded that IU is correct term, the name  IU  comes from historical signature of both japanese and german  submarines, japanese submarines were marked for example as : "I-31"  while german were marked with "U-12" (so called I-boats, and famous  U-boats), hence there's a historical reason why its IU not EU.  --[[User:Krytyk|Krytyk]] 12:40, 21 June 2011 (UCT)

Yes  that is completely true. EU was translated as such solely based upon its  pronunciation, which the readers may or may not care about. Either way,  it is up to the editors, I will just translate it the way I am told to  translate it. - [[User:YoakeNoHikari|YoakeNoHikari]] 12:53, 21 June 2011  (UCT)

Why not simply like Yi.U? [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] 13:12, 21 June 2011 (UCT)

There's  no Yi pronunciation in Japanese. There's no point in making it Chinese,  we should make it have a Japanese pronunciation or a English  pronunciation. - [[User:YoakeNoHikari|YoakeNoHikari]] 13:33, 21 June  2011 (UCT)

I don't know why but i sense irony from  kira's post, the point is, that japanese submarines had BIG ROMAN LETTER  "I" along with series number on the submarines body painted on. It's a  submarine's codename, it's like translating james bond's 007 to 008  >.>. --[[User:Krytyk|Krytyk]] 13:47, 21 June 2011 (UCT)

About  it being a roman character, I did not know that. I thought that they  were just designated as 伊－２３ or イ-23 or something. Well, I am going to  continue to not offer an opinion. - [[User:YoakeNoHikari|YoakeNoHikari]]  14:07, 21 June 2011 (UCT)

Opinion exchanging is okaay,  don't drop out and continue to state your point in discussion, that's  what the "talk" is here for. I was adamant that it was EU before i had  the same discussion with some other wiki user about it and changed my  point of view afterwards ;). Take care of me in future;;  --[[User:Krytyk|Krytyk]] 14:56, 21 June 2011 (UCT)

You  misunderstand, I said that because I said this earlier: "Either way, it  is up to the editors, I will just translate it the way I am told to  translate it." Truthfully, I do not really care, it is the readers that  will benefit from this translation after all, not me. -  [[User:YoakeNoHikari|YoakeNoHikari]] 16:46, 21 June 2011 (UCT)