Editing Baka-Tsuki talk:Categories revamp project (section)

== Genre Suggestion ==

How about target audience? Shounen/Shoujo/Seinen/Josei.

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Also, while AFAIK we currently don't list any 18+ light novels (although there was one such story in SAO, it turned out to be a 3rd party doujin that SAO'author put on his website), they certainly exist, and unless there is some policy against them, there's a chance that one becomes popular enough to be translated... [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 08:24, 4 February 2014 (CST)
*We do have some 18+ VA's though. [[User:Cloudii|Cloudii]] ([[User talk:Cloudii|talk]]) 21:07, 4 February 2014 (CST)

Yeah, what about the genres like : Adult, Doujinshi, Gender Bender, Hentai, Josei, Shotacon, Shoujo Ai, Shounen Ai, Yaoi, Yuri ??? I don't have a clue if we host such LN, but those are quite used in manga... (My reference being Baka-update, I just compared the genres they distinguish with the ones listed here.) 
I know for sure there was once a polemic, because someone wanted to start a Yaoi LN translation, but Teh_Ping said she (if I remember well) should go and do it somewhere else than here. So, it depends on the fact : will we or do we have such material ? At least we could add the Doujinshi, Adult and Josei genres, I think... Excepted for the adult one, there aren't really any prejudice against those and Doujinshi aren't always ecchi or "worse".   [[User:Lery|Lery]] ([[User talk:Lery|talk]]) 15:16, 4 February 2014 (CST) 
* There's a clause in TLG/Oni's rules that generally say pornographic or whatever content is generally not allowed... "UNLESS such material is deemed necessary solely by the merit of preserving the integrity of such work(a)" (SECTION D). But the agreement seems to imply that moderators should at least try to moderate any material that is blatantly suspected to be inappropriate. In either case, this needs to be formally defined in the rules before we start hosting hentai-light-novels (if those even exist?) [[User:Cloudii|Cloudii]] ([[User talk:Cloudii|talk]]) 21:05, 4 February 2014 (CST)
** I think it is a standard disclaimer to comply with electronic information laws. Usually it is not pornography but "unrestricted access to pornography" that is considered "inappropriate content" - so if you have a standard "you confirm that you are  of (whatever age is required in your country) to read it" confirmation page before displaying any adult content, it is not actually inappropriate in most countries. If we do add a "adult/mature/18+" Genre, we might have to add such functionality as well... And such light novels certainly exist - you might be surprised if you look up works from the late author of Zero No Tsukaima and Strike Witches that he wrote under (pen?) name 山口昇一.   [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 10:00, 6 February 2014 (CST)
* Actually such functionality are already in use in the wiki, especially because of the 16.5 SAO scandal (since it has been translated in a few other languages and need to remove it never showed in other language than English). There is a "spoiler" functionality built-in the wiki anyway. ;) [[User:Lery|Lery]] ([[User talk:Lery|talk]]) 16:29, 12 February 2014 (CST)  
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I added :
*Adventure
*Historical
*Mecha
*School Life
[[User:Devenk83|Devenk83]] ([[User talk:Devenk83|talk]]) 10:14, 4 February 2014 (CST)

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I added a number of ones including Slice of Life and target audience. I actually used some manga sites as references, and pretty much all sites in the manga world use about the same categories. I know you guys were talking about restricting the categories so that people shouldn't make new ones in the future, so it's safer to err on being broader than not. For example, I don't think we have many sports light novels, but it's a major category nonetheless, and you can't deny the possibly we'll get a sports light novel in the future. [[User:Cloudii|Cloudii]] ([[User talk:Cloudii|talk]]) 11:40, 4 February 2014 (CST)

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Do we really need a target audience genre ? Light novels' main target are young men and women, so all of them are either Seinen or Josei, and you can see it with their manga adaptation who are mainly published in seinen magazine. [[User:Devenk83|Devenk83]] ([[User talk:Devenk83|talk]]) 13:36, 4 February 2014 (CST)
* There's a big split between shouen and seinen. According to how [http://www.mangaupdates.com/groups.html?id=630 mangaupdates has BT projects classified], we have 50 shounen, 23 seinen, 4 shoujo, no josei.... IDK if people use those categories though. But that's how external groups have categorized the series we host. [[User:Cloudii|Cloudii]] ([[User talk:Cloudii|talk]]) 21:05, 4 February 2014 (CST)
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A lot of them are Shounen - Accel World, Baka Testo, High School DxD - anything that uses nosebleeds instead of erections. [[User:SinsI|SinsI]] ([[User talk:SinsI|talk]]) 14:18, 4 February 2014 (CST)

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Lolicon is really the silliest genre tag ever. Why would people need to know if the mc has a thing for little girls? I'm removing it.
Martial Arts also needs to go. It falls under action and is more of a sub-genre than a general category. Also, mature covers both seinen and josei, so it's another redundant category

In fact, the genre category is too unwieldy as things stand. It should be simplified into 4 categories: Shounen, Shoujo, Seinen, Josei, with sub-genres associated with each category. If the sidebar is to be removed and a new redirection page created to list the projects on BT be created, we shouldn't infodump such a large number of tags/genres onto the reader. Start simple. Let the reader know which of the 4 general categories the novels fall under, then let them sort through the specific sub-genre they want to read.

The flaw is this is that some characteristics are shared between the broad genres, such as action, so it's not feasible to make action a sub-genre under the shounen category, for example. The best solution I can think of is to make it a specific sub-genre such as:

Shounen-Action
Shoujo-Action

etc.

[[User:Hayashi s|Hayashi s]] ([[User talk:Hayashi s|talk]]) 22:44, 22 March 2014 (CDT)