Editing User talk:Stellarroze (section)

==Kyou Kara Maou==

Well, I´m asking the translator if we could leave direct links to their works :)

===Nav Bar===
If you have experience in making templates then then knock yourself out. But if you don't then I wouldn't mind making one for you. It's actually very easy. If fact I would like to request that you allow me to do so. The thing is, someone tried making one for To Aru Majutsu no Index by using mine as a basis. But it didn't turn out so good. [[Template:Toaru_Nav|Seroiusly take a look at the history of this before I made any edits]]. I basically had to redesign the whole thing. All I need from you would be a list of the volumes and their respective chapters as well as an example of how you name the volume and chapter pages (ie: <Novel Name> <Volume Page Name> <Chapter Page Name>, etc; do you name volumes as '''Volume#''', '''volume#''', or '''Volume #''' {where # is the number}, same for chapters). Actually I can get them from the projects main page unless there hasn't been much progress. Other than that if you wish to make any changes in the color then feel free to tell me, use [[Help:Color]]. If there are any other changes you like then feel free to tell me. I'm ready when you are. And I can finish in an hour or two. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  00:17, 21 January 2012 (CST)

Thank You for accepting. Unfortunately I'm a bit tied up at the moment, right now that is. I have to go for a dinner at my grandparents house. But I will prepare it by tomorrow or the day after, at the latest. Wish I had got your reply sooner. I could have done it if it was an hour or two earlier. Sorry. I'll do it as fast as I can. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  08:24, 21 January 2012 (CST)

Umm. I took a look at the Project page and have a few questions. First, why is the project name not Kyou Kara Maou? The page name doesn't make any sense to me, so could you explain that. Second, the general method (aka standard practice) here at baka tsuki is to create a separate page for each chapter, and then [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Transclusion transclude] the chapter pages into the volume page. What you guys have done here is ''completely'' write the whole volume into one page. That has to be fixed. Otherwise you won't have proper consistency. Please take a look at the other projects' full text volumes in edit mode and you'll understand how it's done. Or, if you get me the proper permission, I can do it for you. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  23:45, 22 January 2012 (CST)

I'm not sure who to ask. But I guess the you should look to the admins. They're listed on the [[Main Page|Baka-Tsuki main page]], look for the '''custodians''' or the '''consul'''. But here's an idea that I had. The above mentioned method is the normal way. But how about you guys write everything into the full text version and once it is finished you can divide the text into the chapter pages and convert the full text version into the transclusion page (ie: the reverse of the normal method). Though, personally I think that the normal method is better. Consistency is important after all. Anyways, unfortunately, it would be better to resolve this before making the nav bar. Otherwise, if a change occurs, a rehaul would become necessary. Inform me when a decision is made on the matter. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  02:07, 23 January 2012 (CST)

In fact this serie does not have a common title, just the katakana MA is the same in all the volumes, that´s why it´s called MaruMA series or MA series.

It was the translators decision to upload the volumes this way, this is the only way we could upload our job (except Stellarroze) we don´t want to post multiple copies of the same thing. So, I hope it will be understandable. We have no problems with future editing or posting it here, we just don´t want to post twice each chapter. These translations were started before uploading them here, so they would be hosted. [[User:ClavelSangrante|ClavelSangrante]] 04:59, 23 January 2012 (CST)

What are you talking about? Posting the chapter twice? That's not what happens. I think you guys have made a big mistake understanding how volume and chapter pages work. What '''does''' happen is that the chapter is written into a chapter page. ''Then'' the ''chapter page'' is '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Transclusion transcluded]''' into the ''volume page''. It's a lot like the call code of a template. Take a look at [[IS:Volume1|this page]] '''in edit mode'''. Can you see the:
 <nowiki>{{:IS:Volume1_Illustrations}}
{{:IS:Volume1_Chapter1}}
{{:IS:Volume1_Chapter2}}
{{:IS:Volume1_Chapter3}}
{{:IS:Volume1_Chapter4}}

{{:IS:Volume1_Afterwords}}</nowiki>

These are chapter page call codes that serve to retrieve and include the chapter pages into the volume page. This way the chapter pages can be kept separate and the volume page serves as a kind of ''mirror'' that reflects the chapter pages. Any changes in the chapter pages are ''immediately'' visible on the volume page. This cuts down redundancy. Clicking on the edit buttons '''on the sections''' in the volume page doesn't make an edit on the volume page but instead makes an edit on the chapter page. In other words it's like a reference call system. No double copying occurs at all. (I italicized and bolded the important terms.) [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  18:44, 23 January 2012 (CST)

Do you guys mind if I make a few edits so that the look matches the other projects more closely. Mainly the Volume Page name needs to have '''full text''' removed from it, simply Volume # is fine (where # stands for the number). Other than that, the heading's are supposed to be in the chapter pages not written in the volume pages. They get transcluded properly as long as their levels are correct. I can help in that as well. And you guys can take a look at what I've done and learn from it. If you don't mind me doing it, that is. On another note. I've started work on the navbar. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  06:12, 25 January 2012 (CST)

The chapter names are also out of sync. I'd have to correct that by renaming them as well. It makes it easier if the pattern is uniform. I ask for your permission. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  06:21, 25 January 2012 (CST)

I thank you for your cooperation. Please revise my edits and understand what it is that I have done. I'll leave notes in the history comments. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  06:28, 25 January 2012 (CST)

BTW, I'll tell you something as an extra. If you write something and put the text in '''<nowiki><ref>Insert text here</ref></nowiki>''' ''anywhere'' on the page. And then write '''<nowiki><references/></nowiki>''' at the ''bottom'' of the page. The text bracketed in the '''ref''' tags is treated as a reference/note and put at the bottom of the page while a link to the text is placed in the point where you '''wrote''' the ref tags and the reference text/note. It's way more convenient than putting translation notes on a separate page and then making links to it. Best of all it's inherited through transclusion. So it will work on Volume pages as well as chapter pages. You can even group the references/notes. Full details [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Footnotes here]. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  07:06, 25 January 2012 (CST)

Ahhh (Stretching arms above head and then to the sides). That was tiring. Well, now that the page names and the links on the project page are set in a proper pattern I can get to work on the navbar. But not yet, I'm a little tired after doing all that repetitive work (Jeez, nothing tires a person more than doing the same thing over and over again). Now that all the variables are set. I expect I can have the navbar ready by tomorrow. Plus the redlinks will allow you to create the corresponding pages just by clicking on them. Tomorrow's gonna be a big round of copy pasting in order to create the navbar (copying the links from the project page I mean). [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  08:23, 25 January 2012 (CST)

[[User:Zero2001/Sandbox#New_MaruMA_Nav_Template|I have your order ready here, milady.]] Although I am somewhat unsatisfied about the fact that one whole volume is hosted outside baka-tsuki. It diminishes the role of the navbar if there are volumes outside. My suggestion is that either contact, request and import the volumes into baka-tsuki or freshly translate the volume here later while keeping the current links as a temporary measure. Also there are three volumes whose chapters weren't listed on the project page. Could you look into that? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  04:11, 29 January 2012 (CST)

Right now I've only '''designed''' the template I still have to '''implement''' it. I'll tell you what and when to do at the right time. Right now I only wanted your approval. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  01:19, 30 January 2012 (CST)

'''Implementation''' and '''Testing''' completed. [[Template:MaruMA Nav|Here is your navbar.]] '''WARNING: Make sure you look at the page, read the instructions in the ''Documentation'' section, ''and follow them to the letter''. There is ''no need'' to ''copy the whole template''. That would be a waste of space. Read the documentation to find out how to call the template.''' Sorry for bolding it but this is extremely important. (It saves page storage space on baka-tsuki, this is the main reason why I prefer templates over repeatedly writing/copying the whole table on each page.) [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  01:58, 30 January 2012 (CST)

I've noticed that you've implemented the navbar on the vol 1 pages but not the rest of them. Is there something wrong? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  23:55, 31 March 2012 (CDT)

=== MA series or Kyō kara Maō!===

Hm, I used the information from [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%8D_kara_Ma%C5%8D! German wiki] where only the manga has the MA in its title (Kyō kara Ma no Tsuku Jiyūgyō!) --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] 17:04, 30 January 2012 (CST)

Hm, k I visited the Japanese wiki. There is it also listed as ㋮シリーズ. So now I dont know which version is better - the better known title or the right (original) title.  Because of that I will let you decide which version you would prefer, since you are the translator. --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] 20:32, 31 January 2012 (CST)